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Published: Saturday, Nov. 13 2010 1:52 a.m. MST

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Grace
Bakersfield, CA

I would love to comment on this article and on this topic, but the scandal here is that openness and honesty is not the goal of this site. In my opinion, it is not the goal of the Church either.

I have tried for over 24 years to get simple, clear answers on doctrines and history from church leaders, BYU profs and Brethren in SLC. I wish I had cataloged the plethora and variety of differing answers on simple issues and controversial ones.

I am 7th generation LDS, but I left the church in 1986 when I became a born-again Christian. I remained friendly, polite and loving to my (large) family and friends. I wasn't treated the same, simply because I had left.

I had been a member for 35 years, born & raised in the church, taught & led in every auxillary, temple-married, 4 yrs of seminary and 2 at BYU. You would think that I had leprosy when I asked to discuss LDS doctrines and compare their differences with Biblical teachings.

I do not remain negative or bitter in any way. But "openness and honesty" is NOT a virtue of this organization, from my experience.

the truth
Holladay, UT

RE: Grace

Yet you faiul to mention a single doctrine,

which leads one to believe it never was about doctrine.


I do not now a single mormon who is not willing to discuss doctrine with another member or even with non members,

they seem to go out of thoer way to try and answer questions or to find answers.

We don't have the answers to all things,

but many things are not important to your eternal salvation, they just not realll all that important to know, they are not "saving" doctrines.

dsome things you have to first build a foundation of gospel knowledge or spritual enlightment before recieving or being able understand.

And remember we aonly beleive the bible as was translated correctly.

and it was written by men, often long after the recorded events happen,

not to mention the hands it passed through, information lost or forgotten, recorded incorrectly, or remembered incorrectly, or things just left unsaid or incomplete, or things left out or changed (possibly intentionally),

and the many translations and interpretations it has passed through.

If there are any incongruities, and I can not think any off hand, that may help explain them.

Full-on double rainbow
Bluffdale, UT

@ the truth
It's always funny when someone can read another persons post and summarily provide a diagnosis: "it never was about doctrine." maybe it was about the changing/conflicting doctrine? Or the history where it appears man is calling the shots, and not God?

We don't have the answers to all things? Not good enough.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Grace,

I've never experienced the kind of resistance, rejection and denial that you have, as I was never 'in' to have to get out. Still, I see it all the time. I wish you luck and good fortune in your life whether you consider it a discover, awakening, escape or salvation.

JM
Lehi, UT

Seems that hatred and love grow at once. The media is often a tool for both sides, and misperceptions are often fostered through darkening media sources: the Tribune often creates discord and promotes misunderstanding of LDS neighbors, while blocking LDS comments.

Theres an orchestrated multi-account effort to sow seeds of doubt, even hatred, in DN and Trib comments.
Some paint LDS as big business, pocketing poor dollars, while LDS donate more than theirs, and Church owned business $ are reinvested, yes even in malls (we all profit from that, especially the poor).

Activists paint LDS as violent, while LDS call for love and are attacked for agreeing with America.

Others sow tares by labeling LDS as unchristian, who adhere closest to Biblical and early Christianity (i.e. temple rites, open cannon, fallible Apostolic leaders, timely inspiration, etc.)

I love the comments, and support efforts to foster love and understanding.

@multi-story critics Rainbow/Grace, check FAIR etc, answers abound.

im curious, please inform on what important questions those called born again can answer better than LDS? (important meaning: life purpose; Why evil exists, Hell, Jesus suffered, death, knowledge tree, etc? How: saved by loving grace without effort or following?

JM
Lehi, UT

Grace, thanks for sharing Christian insights. If you wish to share more by answering my above question, please respond on the Mike Ash articles. I won't be checking back on this one.

Also, I was once out of the LDS Church, and never experienced any rejection, like you mention above, although some didn't associate with me, i assumed that was because we didn't have much in common.

I never wrote GA's though. I dated a born again Christian, met with her pastor, attended various Churches, and also searched for answers from LDS etc, and ultimately asked God.

I found LDS answers were best, and I'm born again in the Biblical Jesus, also testified of in the BoM.

Now that I'm "in" I teach my children to accept everyone, although they're rejected sometimes for being LDS (even here in Lehi, when we first moved here non-LDS Christian neighbor parents wouldn't let their children play with ours, although my children and other LDS asked many times, my children didn't understand. Interestingly, these neighbors moved because "Mormons wouldn't play with them").

May all go well, keep knocking faithfully, He'll answer

  • 5:01 p.m. Nov. 14, 2010
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Grace
Bakersfield, CA

Thank you for the responses. Have been gone for the weekend and unable to reply. Will return the cordial responses soon.

I am sorry if I gave the impression that I was treated unfriendly on social terms. My family remains close and loving on a personal basis, at reunions and special occasions. I was referring to the topic here of "Openness and Honesty", on controversial issues or unbiblical (LDS) doctrines.

If you are in the church you can ask & discuss up to a point. In my experience, you are not treated with objectivity and the same leniency when you ask as an "ex-Mormon". Instead of answering the controversial queries, you are often met with: "Why are you attacking my church? You're an anti-Mormon", etc.

I have had more posts denied on this site than I have had ones printed. They dealt with issues about the Mountain Meadows Massacre, polytheism, polygamy, Brigham Youngs's actions in tearing down the Cross at the MMM site, doctrines of becoming gods, unbelief in the Bible, etc. They were asked sincerely and in good taste. I am a journalist, so I know protocol.

The topic of this article is openness.

  • 12:27 a.m. Nov. 15, 2010
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Thanda
Pretoria, South Africa

Grace, I would like to say a few things about the few things you have just mentioned as part of the questions you asked:

I am sure you remember Nephi the son of Lehi. You'll remember that his father once had a vision of the tree of life. After that he desired to also see the things that his father had seen that he might know for himself. He believed the Holy Ghost was able to make it known to him just as He had done for his father. As such he pondered and prayed. A vision was then opened to him and the Spirit of the Lord appeared to Nephi. After Nephi told the Spirit that he desired to see the things his father had seen, the Spirit asked him if he believed that his father had seen the things that his father had seen. Nephi answered yes and all his questions were answered.

(contd in next post)

Thanda
Pretoria, South Africa

In short it appears that you tried to get answers to certain questions so that you could gain a testimony of the church and its truthfulness. And while that might appear logical from one point of view it appears that the Lord works differently. It seems he wants us to first gain a testimony of His Son Jesus Christ and the truthfulness of His Church and then he will reveal to us all other things line upon line and precept upon precept according to our faith and obedience.

So in other words, your questions may very well have been sincere. But perhaps in your searching you forgot that the mysteries of God are not just given at first asking sometimes. Diligent prayer and study and faith is often required before we can understand some things. And other things we may never understand in this life. This is part of God's plan since this life is a test. So if I were you I would consider asking God with the sincerity you said you had if the LDS church is true. And if it is "then what else matters?".

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