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Published: Friday, Nov. 12 2010 11:24 p.m. MST

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mohokat
Ogden, UT

That Compact is special interest at its best.

Neanderthal
Chicago, Ill

I agree with this article. I think we should show more loving compassion... as we kick their buttocks out of the country.

The folks that should receive the most compassion are those standing in line to enter as legal immigrants... those who are willing to obey our laws and to learn to speak our language. That's where we should show compassion.

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@DeepintheHeart 6:54 a.m.

"Amnesty doesn't have to mean granting everyone who came here illegally automatic citizenship."

That's what most illegals want... just to stay here and work... and send money home to their families... until they can get their families moved here, too. All they want is a foot in the door.

"What about the right to work and live here without voting rights, but with all of the same requirements the rest of us have, like paying taxes in your own name?"

Sorry, but we don't have any jobs for illegals. We currently have 15 million unemployed Americans sucking up billions in tax revenue as unemployment benefits... money that we have to borrow from China.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

Boy am I confused! On Thursday the Church joined the Utah Compact chorus with their exercise in situational ethics.
Then today I attend the broadcast and receive my new handbook.
I quote:
"Members who emigrate to any country should comply with applicable laws."
...and "Church members who refuse to...pay required income taxes...are in direct conflict with the law and with the teachings of the Church. Such members may be ineligible for a temple recommend..."
...and "Members should obey, honor, and sustain the laws in any country where they reside or travel."
So, which is it?

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

The free movement of people for reasons of family visits, tourism, research, labor and countless other purposes in north America needs to be promoted and fostered. Illegal immigration deters this. Additionally, the compact is mistaken in maintaining that it is solely the Federal Government role to enforce and protect borders. This simply is not true, it is the responsibility of each state and the Federal Government. The Federal Government has the exclusive power to naturalize (grant citizenship) to such visitors and immigrants. Each state should pass laws and rules that defines how their citizens, businessmen, religions, governors and police are and should be involved.

Candidate Jackson
Sandy, UT

I joy with those who really have reason to rejoice, those from southern countries, in the Utah Compact and the statement from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

one day...
South Jordan, UT

Let the hate begin!!!!

Inmigration doesn't work at all, it's impossible to a Mexican (typical Utah example you always use)or "hispano" to get a visa with the requirements you have now, for ex: a lot of money and properties, are you kidding me!!!

My wife and I left USA, having family there(citizens and residents) but the law didn't help us to stay there with them.

By the way, while we were there we paid taxes and health insurance.

SoCalChris
Riverside, CA

I believe this country is a blessing to the world. I believe God designed it to be a blessing. I believe deeply in the words inscribed on the Statute of Liberty Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses . . . And right now Mexico is a lousy place for the have-nots. No opportunity, no way to make a better life for yourself, corrupt, dangerous. And virtually impossible to come here legally unless you have connections and money already. If I had been born in Mexico, right next to the freest, best country on Earth Im not ashamed to say I would have found a way to come here. But I was blessed to have been born in this country. My ancestors decided they wanted a better life and came here. Period.

I understand we cant have open borders. In fact we should strengthen them. But legal immigration should be easier. For those already here, who have established a life here, have had children here, have been a decent members of society, who have done exactly what most of us would have done in their shoes, I dont see deportation as the only alternative.

Dektol
Powell, OH

Praise or hate it, the folks it targets are still criminals. Catch, prosecute and deport. Prosecute all those who help them for criminal conspiracy. Prosecute all who hire them. Get the message across loudly, come here legally or get out!

myself
Salt Lake City, UT

Glad to see the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints endorsing this. Should help people use reason when dealing with other human beings. It's impossible to deport every single illegal immigrant like many of you would have happen. Stop the bleeding through the border first.

van
Saratoga Springs, UT

Wow! Most of these coments remind me how much hatred there is for a people only trying to servive and feed there family.
Most normal people with balance and fairness in there lives will support a bill to keep families togeather and to forgive people and help them better their life
Seems a small part of the republican party has really got a hatred for illegals. I guess they didnt like Pres Reagen after all.
Sandstroms bill doesnt have a chance to pass.
The poor boy looked like he was going to cry on tv the other day after the statement from the church came out.
Love and compassion as well as forgiveness will triumph hatered and ignorance.

CJ
Murray, UT

By all means let us be civil in this debate. Let us civilly fine anyone who hires an illegal alien 50,000 per incident. Let us civilly arrest anyone here illegally and fine them the same amount. Let us civilly notify anyone here illegally that they have 90 days to get out and go home.
If they don't go let us civilly round them up put, them in jail, and then send them home to where they belong. We must be civil and respectful through the whole process. When we put them on the plane let us civilly tell them that since they came here uncivilly without respecting our laws to not bother every coming back again.

Littlebit
Salt Lake City, UT

I agree with Say No to BO. I understand that the LDS Church is between a rock and a hard place, because there are members on both sides of the border. Certainly they care about all members equally, regardless of race or nationality. However, it becomes confusing when we are told in scriptures & by leaders that "we believe in obeying, honoring, & sustaining the law", that "the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance", and that we have to be honest in dealing with our fellowmen. How can sneaking into a country without legal documentation, working using a fraudulent or stolen ID, & accepting social welfare & benefits that they aren't legally entitled to be considered so insignificant that they are still worthy of church callings & temple recommends? How can there be a double standard of obedience? What became of obeying laws until they are changed, & working to change those we don't like? Like "Say No to BO", I'm confused.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Compassion is something we can all agree on isn't it? Even if it means amnesty, right?

If not, then how many of us have refused a warning ticket from a policeman and insisted on the real thing instead?

Of course when it comes to ourselves, we can all agree that compassion is a good thing. Isn't it about time we extended this sentiment to others?

Bobo
Magna, UT

Those making the money off of immigration have spoken. Those with a political agenda emboldened through immigration have spoken. What is there about this approach that will end illegal immigration versus encourage it? Our national government refuses to enforce the law. It is up to the states. I wonder if the Obama regime will sue Utah for its approach the way they have obscenely sued Arizona. Arizona has set a good example and we should follow suit. Mass immigration at this point in our history serves no useful purpose except to enrich some while suppressing the wages of others and creating enormous public burdens.

Jazz Bass Man
Wellsville, Utah

If Tony Yapias and the LA RAZA crowd who want to turn Utah into Juarez are for this compact, then I think Utahns will be overwhelmingly against this.

Adam
Salt Lake City, UT

I was at my son's school on Veteran's Day. The school had a short speech about Veteran's Day and afterwards all of the students in the class of 26 clapped. All except 3 hispanic girls. On the sly, I asked them why they didn't clap and they told me that they are Mexican and not American and proud of it. All three were born and raised here in the States. You don't get to see this type of behavior on the Eastside of town which is where most of you "compassionate" people dwell. Sorry to all of you Veterans for the disrespect of the "New Generation" of Americans. Or should I say Mexicans?

Really Concerned Citizen
Magna, UT

If we want to understand the true costs of unlimited immigration, all we need to do is look at California. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that one of the main reasons for California's continued budget problems and outright bankruptcy is immigration? The self-appointed "leaders" preaching to us about immigration act as if we just need a few nice sounding platitudes and we won't notice the real impact of immigration. The Utah Compact? I urge the legislature and the governor (you know, the leaders we actually elect) to just say a big "NO"!

myself
Salt Lake City, UT

@littlebit
You do realize that many laws are immoral and unjust. Look at some of the people being deported. There is a Mexican born lady in my ward that came to Utah when she was 8 years old. She doesn't even speak spanish anymore and she was forced to leave after her most recent attempt to get a visa was rejected. What is this lady supposed to do in a country where she doesn't even understand the language??? The law needs compassion and you need to understand that. Too many good people are being deported and thrown out of their homes while people watch from a distance unaffected because they refuse to see how this new legislation will hurt others.
Wake up people we need reform but not without compassion!

William A
Cottonwood Heights, UT

*** "She doesn't even speak spanish anymore and she was forced to leave after her most recent attempt to get a visa was rejected. What is this lady supposed to do in a country where she doesn't even understand the language???" ***

Um, learn it? Kinda like her parents presumably learned English when they came here? And she has an advantage - she spoke it until she was at least 8, and probably longer. Funny you seem to think they have no problem learning English and adjusting to life here, but somehow moving in the reverse direction is impossible.

There is nothing cruel or incompassionate about enforcing a reasonable law and safely repatriating these people, including your friend, to their legal countries of residence. Over 100 million people LIVE in Mexico, pay the bills, feed their families, and all the rest. Believe it or not, you don't have to live in the United States to have a happy, productive life. You wouldn't want to be an Ugly American and suggest otherwise, would you?

van
Saratoga Springs, UT

To littlebit
I agree with you. Do you think WilliamA would want to be deported if he was her?
Infact I would like to ask Mr Sandtrom and people that want a hard stance on immigration this.
If you came here when you were 10 over 15 years ago for example, you married a US Citizen and had children. would you still support your hard stance immigration bill?
Please Mr Sandtrom. If you read this answer it for us.
What would you do?

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