Latin leaders praise new immigration compact, wonder about impact


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  • Hardknocks manti, Utah
    Feb. 15, 2011 9:37 p.m.

    Where were all you law-and-order fanatics when ALL the politicians over the last 40 years, Repubs. and Dems. alike, decided to turn their heads and NOT enforce the laws that you are all so self-righteously citing? This country rolled out the welcome mat, posted Help Wanted signs on the boarder and watched as they came in by the tens of thousands every year and did next to nothing! (Reagan, Bushes, Clinton and all the rest).

    Now in all your hypocritical self-righteous indignation you want to throw them all out! They came - no problems, they raised families - no problems, bought homes, became an integral part of our society and now you want to throw them all out! The law meant nothing then, now - it's the holy grail!

    After what this government has done (or failed to do)- we owe these people at least a shot at some kind of amnesty. The Church's position is right on. Enforce our immigration laws at the boarder like we should have done for the last several decades. Then deal humanly with those who've been here long enough to establish lives here - like the church recommends.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 17, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    Compassion yes- absolutely. One of the most compasstionate things we can do is send them back, and revamp the laws making it easier for them to come here to live and work - legally!

    They come here illegally, and they are at the mercy of slum lords, unscrupulous employers, and who knows what else. We need to quit encouraging that by stopping the rewards to those who break the laws, and revamp what we have on the books so it is easier for them to come here - as LEGAL citizens/guest workers who pay taxes and aren't afraid to call the cops on criminals.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    Nov. 16, 2010 5:54 p.m.

    It is pretty easy to say that the LDS Church supports the Utah Compact. They had the opportunity to sign off on it and did not. Let's compare that to the Declaration of Independence back in July 1776. The signers knew that if the war was lost that they could all be tried as traitors to the Crown but chose to sign it anyway. You want to talk about moral principles? That is putting your beliefs front and center. The First Presidency SHOULD HAVE signed the Compact and did not.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Nov. 15, 2010 7:49 p.m.

    3 scenarios, alternate endings.

    1. "But judge, I was rushing my pregnant wife to the hospital."

    2. "But judge, I was escaping from a neighborhood gang."

    3. But judge, my children are starving."

    Judge Sandstrom:

    1. Dang speeder. You may never use a hospital again. Your new child will remain there and your wife must choose between you.

    2. Thats your problem. Just go away.

    3. Serves you right. They're probably anchor babies.

    Judge Justice W. Compassion: I believe in the rule of law, mercy won't rob justice. Therefore . . .

    1. You did endanger innocent drivers. I'll fine you, but will also allow you to work it off. It's not in the interest of society to further burden the working poor.

    2. Its legal to defend yourself. Please detail the conditions that led up to this incident so they can be reported to the proper authorities and decent families can live in peace.

    3. You can work off the damages. As a preventative I'll send you to a program on how to work within the system. I hope your children grow up healthy and educated enough to pay our Social Security.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 1:47 p.m.

    "Latin Leaders Praise the Compact". Now that is a surprise! These are the people who march in the streets, waving foreign flags, demanding rights for illegals. Just once I would like to see them march in support of LEGAL IMMIGRATION and support all ethnic groups of the world to immigrate legally, not just "their" ethnic group. Smacks of.... dare I say it? If I do this won't be posted. The PC police will get me.

  • William A Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 11:34 a.m.

    *** "Do you think WilliamA would want to be deported if he was her?" ***

    No, I would not want to be deported. But then if I stole a car - or my parents had stolen one for me - I would not want to have it taken away, either. That's entirely different from the question of whether I *should* have it taken away.

    There are people who want to immigrate here - tens or even hundreds of millions of them. If we don't defend our laws and our territory where will it stop? How many illegal immigrants before you, too, realize that it is unsustainable?

    Nov. 14, 2010 7:43 a.m.

    Part of my family came here legally from Mexico. It's not that difficult if your willing to wait your turn. Many of those who don't wait are here for the jobs, and plan to return with a nice nest egg. Also there are probably several million here on green cards, that have been here for 10 or 20 years, that never have applied for citizenship. They don't intend to.

    We can't give amnesty to 12-25 million people. It would cost the country 1-2 trillion dollars. Deportation is much cheaper at 94 billion, and it removes the incentive for others who think about coming here illegally in the future.

    I hope everyone in Utah realizes that these people do not speak for the entire Hispanic community. Studies done by the PEW institute show a growing number of Hispanics that want the laws enforced.

  • van Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 6:48 a.m.

    To littlebit
    I agree with you. Do you think WilliamA would want to be deported if he was her?
    Infact I would like to ask Mr Sandtrom and people that want a hard stance on immigration this.
    If you came here when you were 10 over 15 years ago for example, you married a US Citizen and had children. would you still support your hard stance immigration bill?
    Please Mr Sandtrom. If you read this answer it for us.
    What would you do?

  • William A Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 14, 2010 12:19 a.m.

    *** "She doesn't even speak spanish anymore and she was forced to leave after her most recent attempt to get a visa was rejected. What is this lady supposed to do in a country where she doesn't even understand the language???" ***

    Um, learn it? Kinda like her parents presumably learned English when they came here? And she has an advantage - she spoke it until she was at least 8, and probably longer. Funny you seem to think they have no problem learning English and adjusting to life here, but somehow moving in the reverse direction is impossible.

    There is nothing cruel or incompassionate about enforcing a reasonable law and safely repatriating these people, including your friend, to their legal countries of residence. Over 100 million people LIVE in Mexico, pay the bills, feed their families, and all the rest. Believe it or not, you don't have to live in the United States to have a happy, productive life. You wouldn't want to be an Ugly American and suggest otherwise, would you?

  • myself Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 10:18 p.m.

    You do realize that many laws are immoral and unjust. Look at some of the people being deported. There is a Mexican born lady in my ward that came to Utah when she was 8 years old. She doesn't even speak spanish anymore and she was forced to leave after her most recent attempt to get a visa was rejected. What is this lady supposed to do in a country where she doesn't even understand the language??? The law needs compassion and you need to understand that. Too many good people are being deported and thrown out of their homes while people watch from a distance unaffected because they refuse to see how this new legislation will hurt others.
    Wake up people we need reform but not without compassion!

  • Really Concerned Citizen Magna, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 9:27 p.m.

    If we want to understand the true costs of unlimited immigration, all we need to do is look at California. Is there any doubt in anyone's mind that one of the main reasons for California's continued budget problems and outright bankruptcy is immigration? The self-appointed "leaders" preaching to us about immigration act as if we just need a few nice sounding platitudes and we won't notice the real impact of immigration. The Utah Compact? I urge the legislature and the governor (you know, the leaders we actually elect) to just say a big "NO"!

  • Adam Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 7:35 p.m.

    I was at my son's school on Veteran's Day. The school had a short speech about Veteran's Day and afterwards all of the students in the class of 26 clapped. All except 3 hispanic girls. On the sly, I asked them why they didn't clap and they told me that they are Mexican and not American and proud of it. All three were born and raised here in the States. You don't get to see this type of behavior on the Eastside of town which is where most of you "compassionate" people dwell. Sorry to all of you Veterans for the disrespect of the "New Generation" of Americans. Or should I say Mexicans?

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    Nov. 13, 2010 7:28 p.m.

    If Tony Yapias and the LA RAZA crowd who want to turn Utah into Juarez are for this compact, then I think Utahns will be overwhelmingly against this.

  • Bobo Magna, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    Those making the money off of immigration have spoken. Those with a political agenda emboldened through immigration have spoken. What is there about this approach that will end illegal immigration versus encourage it? Our national government refuses to enforce the law. It is up to the states. I wonder if the Obama regime will sue Utah for its approach the way they have obscenely sued Arizona. Arizona has set a good example and we should follow suit. Mass immigration at this point in our history serves no useful purpose except to enrich some while suppressing the wages of others and creating enormous public burdens.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 6:42 p.m.

    Compassion is something we can all agree on isn't it? Even if it means amnesty, right?

    If not, then how many of us have refused a warning ticket from a policeman and insisted on the real thing instead?

    Of course when it comes to ourselves, we can all agree that compassion is a good thing. Isn't it about time we extended this sentiment to others?

  • Littlebit Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 4:56 p.m.

    I agree with Say No to BO. I understand that the LDS Church is between a rock and a hard place, because there are members on both sides of the border. Certainly they care about all members equally, regardless of race or nationality. However, it becomes confusing when we are told in scriptures & by leaders that "we believe in obeying, honoring, & sustaining the law", that "the Lord cannot look upon sin with the least degree of allowance", and that we have to be honest in dealing with our fellowmen. How can sneaking into a country without legal documentation, working using a fraudulent or stolen ID, & accepting social welfare & benefits that they aren't legally entitled to be considered so insignificant that they are still worthy of church callings & temple recommends? How can there be a double standard of obedience? What became of obeying laws until they are changed, & working to change those we don't like? Like "Say No to BO", I'm confused.

  • CJ Murray, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 4:38 p.m.

    By all means let us be civil in this debate. Let us civilly fine anyone who hires an illegal alien 50,000 per incident. Let us civilly arrest anyone here illegally and fine them the same amount. Let us civilly notify anyone here illegally that they have 90 days to get out and go home.
    If they don't go let us civilly round them up put, them in jail, and then send them home to where they belong. We must be civil and respectful through the whole process. When we put them on the plane let us civilly tell them that since they came here uncivilly without respecting our laws to not bother every coming back again.

  • van Saratoga Springs, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 3:07 p.m.

    Wow! Most of these coments remind me how much hatred there is for a people only trying to servive and feed there family.
    Most normal people with balance and fairness in there lives will support a bill to keep families togeather and to forgive people and help them better their life
    Seems a small part of the republican party has really got a hatred for illegals. I guess they didnt like Pres Reagen after all.
    Sandstroms bill doesnt have a chance to pass.
    The poor boy looked like he was going to cry on tv the other day after the statement from the church came out.
    Love and compassion as well as forgiveness will triumph hatered and ignorance.

  • myself Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 2:23 p.m.

    Glad to see the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints endorsing this. Should help people use reason when dealing with other human beings. It's impossible to deport every single illegal immigrant like many of you would have happen. Stop the bleeding through the border first.

  • Dektol Powell, OH
    Nov. 13, 2010 1:33 p.m.

    Praise or hate it, the folks it targets are still criminals. Catch, prosecute and deport. Prosecute all those who help them for criminal conspiracy. Prosecute all who hire them. Get the message across loudly, come here legally or get out!

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    Nov. 13, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    I believe this country is a blessing to the world. I believe God designed it to be a blessing. I believe deeply in the words inscribed on the Statute of Liberty Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses . . . And right now Mexico is a lousy place for the have-nots. No opportunity, no way to make a better life for yourself, corrupt, dangerous. And virtually impossible to come here legally unless you have connections and money already. If I had been born in Mexico, right next to the freest, best country on Earth Im not ashamed to say I would have found a way to come here. But I was blessed to have been born in this country. My ancestors decided they wanted a better life and came here. Period.

    I understand we cant have open borders. In fact we should strengthen them. But legal immigration should be easier. For those already here, who have established a life here, have had children here, have been a decent members of society, who have done exactly what most of us would have done in their shoes, I dont see deportation as the only alternative.

  • one day... South Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    Let the hate begin!!!!

    Inmigration doesn't work at all, it's impossible to a Mexican (typical Utah example you always use)or "hispano" to get a visa with the requirements you have now, for ex: a lot of money and properties, are you kidding me!!!

    My wife and I left USA, having family there(citizens and residents) but the law didn't help us to stay there with them.

    By the way, while we were there we paid taxes and health insurance.

  • Candidate Jackson Sandy, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 12:34 p.m.

    I joy with those who really have reason to rejoice, those from southern countries, in the Utah Compact and the statement from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 11:38 a.m.

    The free movement of people for reasons of family visits, tourism, research, labor and countless other purposes in north America needs to be promoted and fostered. Illegal immigration deters this. Additionally, the compact is mistaken in maintaining that it is solely the Federal Government role to enforce and protect borders. This simply is not true, it is the responsibility of each state and the Federal Government. The Federal Government has the exclusive power to naturalize (grant citizenship) to such visitors and immigrants. Each state should pass laws and rules that defines how their citizens, businessmen, religions, governors and police are and should be involved.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    Boy am I confused! On Thursday the Church joined the Utah Compact chorus with their exercise in situational ethics.
    Then today I attend the broadcast and receive my new handbook.
    I quote:
    "Members who emigrate to any country should comply with applicable laws."
    ...and "Church members who refuse to...pay required income taxes...are in direct conflict with the law and with the teachings of the Church. Such members may be ineligible for a temple recommend..."
    ...and "Members should obey, honor, and sustain the laws in any country where they reside or travel."
    So, which is it?

  • Neanderthal Chicago, Ill
    Nov. 13, 2010 10:09 a.m.

    I agree with this article. I think we should show more loving compassion... as we kick their buttocks out of the country.

    The folks that should receive the most compassion are those standing in line to enter as legal immigrants... those who are willing to obey our laws and to learn to speak our language. That's where we should show compassion.


    @DeepintheHeart 6:54 a.m.

    "Amnesty doesn't have to mean granting everyone who came here illegally automatic citizenship."

    That's what most illegals want... just to stay here and work... and send money home to their families... until they can get their families moved here, too. All they want is a foot in the door.

    "What about the right to work and live here without voting rights, but with all of the same requirements the rest of us have, like paying taxes in your own name?"

    Sorry, but we don't have any jobs for illegals. We currently have 15 million unemployed Americans sucking up billions in tax revenue as unemployment benefits... money that we have to borrow from China.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    That Compact is special interest at its best.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 8:51 a.m.

    I am offended that Utah Compact co-opted Veterans Day for cheap political gain. They even chose 11 am as their starting time.
    It is a despicable trick to those who died preserving our freedoms.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 8:20 a.m.

    BroJoseph: The notion that Sandstrom's law is a "hate law" is a LIE.

    As for these Chamber of Commerce and Sutherland types in their suits and ties who conceived and signed this "compact" in the name of "compassion" (hah!), I am reminded only of that ancient warning of man's potential for utterly boundless greed, profiteering and corruption, and the terrible problem this would create for society at large: "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." (Mark 10:25)

  • Adam Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 7:50 a.m.

    How ironic is it that all of these "leaders" stand to make a profit in some form off of illegal immigrants. In my opinion true leaders to not negotiate laws, they obide by them! Self-serving folks would be more accurate.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 7:36 a.m.

    The illegals need to go home. We need to enforce the laws that we have. The compact is pointless. The people are tired of this mess and we will vote to clean it up.

  • DeepintheHeart Lewisville, TX
    Nov. 13, 2010 6:54 a.m.

    You people calling for automatic deportation of anyone in the country that is here illegally are not realistic and your claim to being for strict enforcement of the law is almost comical. Ever try to talk a cop out of giving you a speeding ticket? Ever ignore a parking ticket? Got any un-returned library books hanging around? Cheat on your taxes, maybe? How about zoning laws; do you obey all of those? Every one of you 100 percent "honest in all of your dealings"? Amnesty doesn't have to mean granting everyone who came here illegally automatic citizenship. What about the right to work and live here without voting rights, but with all of the same requirements the rest of us have, like paying taxes in your own name? Would that bring the Republic to its knees? Crime needs to be punished, but let's be serious about what's a real crime and what's a status offense. As to citizenship, I think everyone has to get in one line, and those who do so legally move to the head.

  • Adver Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 5:52 a.m.

    Pack all of them up and get them out of this country! You don't to split families because they can all leave together.

  • pat1 Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 5:43 a.m.

    I agree with John Pack Lambert of Michigan. People who think the Church hates Mexicans are very uninformed. Come to the Church History Museum to see the Latino exhibit and you'll change your mind about that.

    I continue to be astounded at the general feeling of hate and fear and yes, racism that abounds in this country. If you watched the CBS evening news last night you would understand why so many Mexicans try to escape for a better life. I am saddened by the problems with the drug cartels.

    Read the book Enrique's Journey, also. Yes, we don't want undesirables in our country, but "Undesirable" shouldn't merely be defined as someone who has a Spanish accent.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 5:26 a.m.

    Re: ". . . 64 percent of Utahns agree with the premise of the compact calling for a civil and compassionate approach to immigration legislation. . ."

    Here's betting the number is much higher than 64%. But many of us have come to the realization that "civil and compassionate" have become liberal code words for "open borders" and "winking at lawbreaking."

    Of course, we all want our actions to be civil and compassionate. But we can't lose sight of the fact that the most civil and compassionate action we can take is to root out corruption, consistently enforcing the law, without fear or favor.

    Or, in other words, obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

  • My2Cents Kearns, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 3:53 a.m.

    This compact is unconstitutional and conflicts with federal immigration laws that Utah cannot rewrite. This is a slap in the face of every immigrant that ever came to this country legally and with honorable intent to become americans.

    These illegal mexicans are here in Utah and the United States with dishonor in their hearts and souls. These Mexicans are not immigrants and are foreign nationals occupying the territory of Utah and the United States and should bear the discrimination of every law and america for their crimes and criminal intent. These illegal Mexicans in Utah have declared the American people their enemy, why give them a hug?

    These business leaders have lucrative profiteering and financial reason to keep illegal aliens in Utah. It suppresses wages, they pay cheap, and they help illegal aliens get welfare and other rewards for being illegal mexicans.

    Our elected officials have every reason and duty to their country and citizens who elected them to toss this compact in the trash and uphold the laws they were and are elected and swear to uphold. No sanction, no quarters, and no love for illegal foreign nationals who think they are immigrants.

    Nov. 13, 2010 3:03 a.m.

    Other media in the state are reporting that Archuleta (Utah Coalition of La Raza) and Frank Cordova (president of Centro Civico Mexicano) believe the church should of signed the compact, and all laws should be put on hold.

    Archie Archuletta commented that You have to see it as a mountain. That mountain is the high ground of morality. And, so far, weve had some people that have reached that top and the LDS Church is taking steps to reach it, Archuleta said. We see the moral high ground still has to be climbed by some groups.

    It seems those of us wanting a lawful society are not moral yet.

  • BroJoseph Ogden, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 2:03 a.m.

    Hate laws such as those promoted by sandstrom will open the doors for racial profiling as we have seen in State and Local offices, using private and personal information to abuse and belittle.Hate begits hate. Remember the Good Samaritan, the alien, the foreigner who helped the citizen in distress. There is a parable in this.When you hate your neigbour, in your time of distress, you will find no solace but retribution of a just God.

  • utahenergyideas Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2010 1:01 a.m.

    Perhaps Yapias, who stated in the SL Trib article that he didn't think the Church went far enough didn't like this statement:

    "We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nations laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them."

  • John Pack Lambert of Michigan Ypsilanti, MI
    Nov. 12, 2010 11:14 p.m.

    I think they should highlight more centrally in the article that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints endorsed this statement.

    I am sick of having to deal with claims that the Church hates Mexicans and favors their deportation just because the sponsor of the Arizona bill was a Mormon.

  • Cris B. Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 8:34 p.m.

    I praise those who obey our laws.

  • He-Man Bountiful, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    At least someone is speaking out for more truth and right. Something neither Democrats or Republicans have done.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 6:28 p.m.

    Its quite discouraging to see the top law enforcement official in Utah meeting with (any group)to try to find a way to circumvent the law!

  • JBrady Murray, Ut
    Nov. 12, 2010 6:27 p.m.

    They will accept no enforcement except amnesty, in 2010, 2020, 2030.....

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 6:17 p.m.

    There is a group of "compacts" that all citizens of the United States agree to that makes this "compact" irrelevent.

    That group of "compacts" are called the USCA, or, in laymens terms, -United States Code Annotated (laws of our lands).
    Its those pesky laws that are ALREADY in place and just need to be enforced.

    Soon the Sandstrom bill will simply reinforce the fact that illegal aliens are breaking the law and need to be arrested.

  • Alfred Chicago, Ill
    Nov. 12, 2010 6:07 p.m.

    Illegal immigration is the problem. Those here legally are not the problem.

    We cannot allow for any kind of amnesty whatsoever lest those in line for legitimate citizenship will be cheated and the incentive for other illegals to come will be enhanced. We can't have that. Illegals who wish citizenship must leave and get in line. Those illegals who do not wish citizenship should be asked to leave.

    Further, we now have 15 million unemployed Americans which is costing this country billions in unemployment payments out of our non-existent tax dollars. If just the 10 to 20 million illegals were not here taking Americans' jobs our unemployment would return to healthy levels and our economy would once again soar.

    These points are no brainers. Can't see why our elected officials, et al., can see it.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    Nov. 12, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    Will public opinion change because of this? I don't think so. It's the same pro-illegal groups effort to kill enforcement of immigration laws.

    America has a right to let in who we want, and send home those who come here illegally. It seems to be a difficult concept to many.