Comments about ‘LDS Church immigration stance’

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Published: Thursday, Nov. 11 2010 11:57 p.m. MST

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CJ
Murray, UT

Wow! This is now a family thing? You can break the law as long as it keeps your family together? Illegals leave their families in most cases to come here and steal jobs, health care and anything else they can get. They are free to return to their families any time they want to and join them in their native land.
So you can now break the law of the land by crossing the border, steal the identity of someone else (usually a minor), lie to an employer about your status and take the job of an American citizen, and loot the state and national treasuries of another country and the church thinks this is ok because enforcing the laws of our country is not compassionate? This is now a family issue? Unbelievable is all I can say! Someone needs to re-think this one.

winaz
Salem, UT

For I was an hungered and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger and ye took me not in: naked and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. When saw we thee an hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. Did someone leave out the "except people who don't have all the necessary legal papers" in the translation? Immigrants without legal papers are not taking the jobs of local citizens. They are taking the jobs that local citizens disdain. They are not committing more violent or property crimes than citizens. However, they are buying products and services from local businesses and paying sales and income and social security taxes on their earnings. They are renting homes and apartments and supporting the local economy. They want a better life as we all do for our families. Most important, they are our brothers and sisters. Let's show them the example Jesus taught.

Pete
Queen Creek, AZ

CJ, that is not what it says, go back and read it again. They prefaced their stance by saying that families are important, they in no way said that it is ok to break the law as long as families are together. Don't be twisting the words around to make it sound a certain way to justify your thoughts against the church.

EgbertThrockmorton
Layton, UT

Actually, I DO think the Church is parsing words here with this statement in the name of political expediency. AS a life-long ACTIVE member(NOT from Utah thankfully) I find that there seems to be more of this kind of thing with "the Church" locally here in Utah than anyplace else. Fine, let's keep families together if possible, HOWEVER, if you are here illegally, you need to leave and come here LEGALLY and assimilate into our culture, our language. Even the Quebecois in Socialist Quebec demand and codify that all persons seeking welfare, and employment must FIRST prove they can speak French. Not so here. While I am not at all in favor of doing away with the so-called "anchor baby" provision in our Constitution, we DO need to rectify are draconian immigration regulations to make it easier for good decent people to come here, and make it incredibly difficult and penalize those who DO come here illegally. How is that not being "charitable"? It isn't. I have to "obey, honor and sustain the law..." and so do members of my family, why not illegal immigrants, even IF they are LDS?

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Perhaps a better statement would have been "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto Gods that which is Gods". Winaz nice quote. Remember the illegals are, also held to that standard.

CJ
Murray, UT

Pete,

This is not speaking against the church, it is speaking against the idea that enforcement of the law is somehow unjust and inhumane. Let me tell you what inhumane and unjust really mean:

1-Last year over 100 hundred families in the U.S. had their children raped and murdered by illegals.
2-86 hospitals in CA alone were forced to close due to illegal immigrants getting care and not paying.
3-Most illegal drugs in the U.S. come across the Mexican border and Salt Lake City is now a major hub for black tar heroin distribution and those arrested are primarily illegal Mexican nationals. Do you think that destroys families Pete?
4-Millions of families who used to make a living are now unemployed because illegals took their jobs by working off the books for lower wages.
5-My own family has been the victim of illegal alien crime three times in 18 months

I saw no mention of the need for compassion for the families of illegal alien victims. That is the point.

I saw no mentio

anti-liar
Salt Lake City, UT

No, Pete, CJ is right. Of course the church's statement IMPLIES exactly what CJ said.

If it isn't what the church meant to imply, then why are they playing word games? Why won't they simply shoot straight and stop being ambiguous? They have entire committees of English majors and legal counselors and others who participate in the crafting of these official statements, who know how to make such statements clearly and unambiguously. There's no excuse.

Very likely the church in fact supports Sandstrom's bill -- as it well should (see Articles of Faith). And, quite possibly, this support is incorporated in its statement. It would seem however that an attempt was made to do so in a way that wouldn't alienate Latinos. The problem with such ambiguity however is that the statement will be misinterpreted and seized upon and used by those opposed to Sandstrom's bill and the rule of law.

CJ also makes the excellent point that the family separation most typically occurs as a result of a family member choosing to leave their family behind in their home country in order to illegally invade and steal from the United States.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

MY VIEW. I'm a Mormon to. LDS were portrayed as liars, deluded country bumpkins and blasphemers. Then, Mormons were philanderers with multiple wives and malevolent motives. But America's perception of Mormonism dramatically shifted. As Mormons we almost shy away from our faith but we need to be bolder, and be brave about the differences. Just because the church regards the declaration of the Utah Compact as a responsible approach to the urgent challenge of illegal immigration reform. It is consistent with important principles for which they stand, not me, I don't hide behind the word's alone of, "we all are children of God", when it should say "we all are sprit children of God". Forced separation of illegal working parents from their children never weakens families and damages society, if they wish to, when deported, they can freely bring their children back with them. That's a fact and the real truth's. America is a just and caring society, and also obey all enforceable laws of the land also. This is not about balanced love for our illegal neighbors, it's about real Justice for all us true American's who follow the law.

Phill
Provo, UT

CJ, you are generalizing the faults of the "few" criminals, to the vast majority of Illegal Immigrants. Most crimes in Utah are done by "white males" would it be fair to say and make laws in place that will question every white male in Utah? Disproportionally so, NO, it doesn't make sense. That is the same instances with immigrants. I agree that the focus should be on those criminals.
You also talk about taxes. Taxes are imposed in every purchase you make, therefore Immigrants ARE paying taxes. A lot of them have taxes taken from them and receive no benefits from them. EX. Income Taxes.
I understand that the Law should be enforce, but not with no solution. Reform means to create a solution to the problem while not jeopardizing the well being and value of a human being, kicking and deporting families and kids that never visited that country in massive numbers is not Christ like in my opinion.

There is a reason the First Presidency came out with a statement, and I think they receive some type of revelation, more so than a politician or TV news opinionated host WOULDN"t You think ?

hispanic from AF
American Fork, UT

It is wrong for the LDS church to continue intervining in the political-social issues of our country. The separation of Churh and State and the 12th Article of Faith are not being respected!

utahenergyideas
Salt Lake City, UT

We need to remove and not create any rewards and incentives for immigrants to come here and be here illegally.

Immigrants that are here illegally should not have the ability to become United States Citizens prior to those outside the U.S. applying to come legally.

We do need to treat all, even those breaking our laws, as human beings. There should be incentives for those that are already here illegally to register with the U.S. Government for a short term work visa if done in conjunction with a sponsoring legal business. Those short term work visas should not be a step toward citizenship.

Citizenship, if desired and qualified for, must be applied for with the application from their country of origin, (unless qualifying for asylum) and behind those that have been waiting legally there. 

hispanic from AF
American Fork, UT

More compassion yet?? Food stamps, free education for our children, often in Spanish!, free school breafkast and lunch, ample opportunities to work totally unmolested, drivers licenses grantes, etc. etc. etc. THAT IS NOT ENOUGH?????????? Should the Churches put their money where their mouth is and help pay for all those benefits and even more, if they wish? I don't hear that in their support for the Compact.

malad man
Malad city, ID

I am disappointed at my church's weak position to this matter. I was always taught that we "obey and sustain the laws of this land". The church is differentiating between federal and state laws. In other words I guess it is alright to break federal laws of immigration in the state of Utah...I can just pick and choose. What am I supposed to teach my children about obeying the laws when they see this inconsistency?
Being kind is one thing. The rule of law is another.
By the way, my wife came here obeying the law from Cuba in 1964.

tweedmeister
Yakima, WA

As is so often the case in LDS church announcements, one has to study and read between the lines in this somewhat obfuscated story in order to recognize the actual content of message. (If one were not LDS or former LDS, it could be an undertaking to divine true meaning of many such articles.) The Mormon church is up against real challenges to bolstering its membership nowadays, and most new converts are won from among the backward countries where education is shaky and Internet penetration is minimal. Within the US, it is no secret that most new converts come from immigrants and not from among the average American population, and this insures that many potential converts will be illegals. Any official stance by Mormon leadership will necessarily reflect the need to be as soft as possible on the side of the immigrant so as to not upset this new order more than need be.

RuthHGough
Trenton, MI

Don't forget that most of those who come here arrive from countries where severe poverty and violence are rampant. Who amongst us really believe that we have more of a God-given right to the relative safety and economic security that are afforded us in America than any other human being? If our primary aim were to help achieve a level of economic and social security for our immigrant brothers and sisters in their countries of origin rather than cracking down on border control and immigration law enforcement-- perhaps the problem would actually begin to find a solution.

You are not more special than any other human being born anywhere in the world. If you honestly believe that upholding a law which would enforce a situation of starvation and constant danger over your fellow human beings, rather than using your time and energy in the matter to actually find a solution to the problem which would benefit all of God's children involved, you should take a good look at your own heart and ask yourself by what virtue you hold yourself more worthy of the basic necessity of life than any of your immigrant brothers and sisters.

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