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Published: Thursday, Nov. 11 2010 11:24 a.m. MST

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Sister Gold
Layton, UT

I agree. A good approach to GOOD immigrants is to not persecute them. ICE needs to concentrate on the gangs. Not on stained glass artists, a real shame the Argentina family had to be targeted last week. They were no threat, were doing all they could, hoping to be sheltered from Argentina problems--now they have been sent back to a country where a Militant Communist Left-leaning female has just been elected to be president! Shame on the USA for doing this injustice to a wonderful family. Lighten up, ICE.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't know which is the more appropriate metaphor: having your cake and eating it too, or being caught between a rock and a hard place. Vigorously enforcing the law may result in disruption of families, while exercising compassion may require selective enforcement of the law.
What a dilemma.

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Thank you. It's about time people stood up to the fear mongers on the right. Totally agree.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

I'm a Mormon to you know. But "MY" Official text of Utah lies on illegal immigration. I highly disagree with Utah. Yes illegal Immigrants are integrated into communities across Utah. Utah must obey all the written law's of the land and "NEVER" ever adopt a phony illegal humane approach to this reality, reflecting on their culture, history and spirit of inclusion. The way to treat illegal immigrants will say more about us all as a free society and more about our illegal immigrant neighbors. Utah should never be a place that welcomes illegal's in goodwill. Right now Utah don't respect the rule of law and support law enforcement's professional judgment and discretion. They try to turn "federal code's" into minor State civil violations stuffed into Bill's in Congress along with earmarks and pork. while they oppose policies that unnecessarily separate families and deport the parent's, when they have the right to take their "welfare kid's" along with them. Utah don't really acknowledge the non-economic role illegal immigrants play while real American workers and taxpayers pay for while they are here. That's my view, like it or not.

utahenergyideas
Salt Lake City, UT

We need to remove and not create any rewards and incentives for immigrants to come here and be here illegally.

Immigrants that are here illegally should not have the ability to become United States Citizens prior to those outside the U.S. applying to come legally.

We do need to treat all, even those breaking our laws, as human beings. There should be incentives for those that are already here illegally to register with the U.S. Government for a short term work visa if done in conjunction with a sponsoring legal business. Those short term work visas should not be a step toward citizenship.

Citizenship, if desired and qualified for, must be applied for with the application from their country of origin, (unless qualifying for asylum) and behind those that have been waiting legally there. 

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

What does this statement from the LDS Church actually say?? Enforce the law or not enforce the law?? When a person from a foreign country either illegally crosses the border, or overstays a visa, they know that they are breaking the laws of the United States.

When an immigrant obtains a visa to enter the United States they sign a statement and promise the consulate officer that they will abide by the requirements of the visa. Those illegally crossing the border hide in the darkness and hire coyotes to help them avoid apprehension. Every illegal alien knows that they are breaking U.S. laws.

Not only families of illegal aliens are disrupted by law enforcement, but citizens that are sent to jail for breaking other laws(such as fraud) also have their families disrupted. Is the LDS Church saying that if you have a family, you shouldn't be put into jail or deported?

What about that 12th Article of Faith? "We believe in honoring and sustaining the law..." What about Article 13 "We believe in being honest true..." Not to mention Commandment #9 about bearing false witness (on your visa application)

The Church wants it both ways.

panamadesnews
Lindon, UT

Brother Schroeder: Your blog does not make sense. I cannot tell, from reading it, what you actually stand for!

Capsaicin
Salt Lake City, UT

While I support naturalization of existing immigrants, I do support the current law. If families are here illegally, regardless of their citizenship. If they are born to illegal parents, children shouldn't have citizenship and should be revoked.

I support the law. Deportation is the current law. Let's fix the law and then naturalize illegals who have been here 10 or more years.

lawenforcementfromAZ
Glendale, AZ

As a retired law enforcement command officer and a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I fully support the position of the Church.

That said, most of those commenting focus on only certain aspects of the Church's statment, to support the granting of legal status to those who voilated our laws, continue to do so by remaining here illegally, taking jobs away from legal US citizens, taking welfare, and breaking out laws.

ALL of the conditions stipulated by the Church hinge on one aspecct of their statement: "We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nation's laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them".

If you voilate the laws of the land, you are subject to the law of deportation.

Janet
Ontario, OR

I never cease to be amazed at the ignorance and/or bigotry of the people in these DN comments sections. 1. It is not possible for people from certain countries, especially Mexico, to immigrate legally to the U.S. Exceptions are very, very, very rare, thanks primarily to quotas. 2. Those who can become legal once here are scarcer than hen's teeth because there is NO path, even for those brought here as small children. For those who can find a way, the cost is astronomical and therefore prohibitive. 3.Undocumented immigrants pay about $6 billion a year into Social Security but will never be able to claim it. I could go on, but minds are slammed shut. The LDS and Catholic Churches, among others, have urged compassion, but the "faithful" seem perfectly willing to discount whatever counsel they can't swallow. As for denying citizenship to those born here of illegal parents, not only are you subscribing to a sort of "original sin," LDS people, but you are also trashing the Constitution you claim to revere. The term "generation of vipers" comes to mind.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Janet fails to mention the costs associated with medical care, welfare assistance for illegal aliens, nor does she mention the costs associated with crimes committed by illegal aliens include the cost of beds for them in our jails and prisons.

US citizens have no responsibility to care and support the entire world's poor and hungry, and we expect citizens from other countries to enter through the front door instead of sneaking in through a back window.

Individuals like Janet would be surprised if they found out how Mexico deals with their illegals.

TW in TX
League City, TX

For those saying people born on U.S. soil have no right to citizenship, here's the text of Section 1, Clause 1, of the 14th amendment of the Constitution, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." It's the law and it's been upheld by the Supreme Court. So while entitled to your opinion, the law states otherwise and will continue to be so until a new amendment is drafted and ratified. As that will not happen soon, the issue needs to be addressed, which is what the Church is saying in its statement. And as a reminder to us all who wish to address the issue, we're given guidance to have compassion while sustaining the law and/or seeking to change it. As one who has a spouse that immigrated here legally, I do not begrudge the humble people who come here seeking a better life for their families. Given the chance, they would all leap at the opportunity to emerge from the shadows and stand beside us full-fledged self-sufficient citizens. Peace.

Upson Downs
Sandy, UT

It is disappointing that the LDS and Catholic Churches put illegal immigrants above the legal laws of the State of Utah and the U.S. The costs to taxpayers for these illegals for birth, education, health care, welfare, criminal behavior is staggering. Yet when our religious and law enforcement officials, our supposed beacons of morality in society, turn a blind eye to the actions of illegal lawbreakers why should we expect the illegals to obey our laws? Our beacons of societal morality are sadly lacking.

kemitc
Columbia, TN

Section 1, Clause 1, of the 14th amendment of the Constitution, "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. This law was never meant for illegals. If you research further you will find that this law was enacted to include children born to slaves would be considered legal citizens of the US. It was never meant for every Jose, Manuel, and Miguel who comes running across the boarder illegally. According to LDS standards we are to obey the law of the land. We do not need the Church getting into politics.

CJ
Murray, UT

Big mistake in my opinion. This is a very slippery slope with an overwhelming number of church members in favor of tough enforcement and deportation. (remember the 12th article of faith? has that been erased?) This one is going to be very controversial as no one seems to be interested in the victims of illegals of which I am one. Why this group of people want to stand up for law breaking and fly in the face of public opinion is pretty incomprehensible, they all must have a hidden agenda that is pretty strong. All of those involved in this are going to pay a price for it, hope illegal lawbreakers are worth it to you.

FalconV
Park City, UT

I don't understand why people don't get this issue. Yes we need to uphold the law, but we also need to make sure the law is effective and in keeping with our ideals - economic, humanitarian, religious etc etc. Right now the laws are a mess and cause unnecessary damage to families. I think the church's position is clear - the police need to focus on the criminal activity not on illegal aliens civil violations of federal code. The application of the law needs to reflect our values. and the laws need to be crafted to make it easier to reflect those values as well. If you think there is no grey area you have never been in court - immigration or otherwise. ICE acknowledges that there is no way they are going to be able to deport everyone. We need to address those issues in our laws. Creating laws that will push anyone illegal out of the country will damage families, US citizens and non, as well as business and ecnomic interests.

Forrest
Natchitoches, LA

Just fyi, DN, there is no Mormon Church. He passed away many centuries ago, and I don't belong to his church. But I'm a Mormon, a member of the church that gets abbreviated too often.

BOY BLUE
South Salt Lake, UT

When Illegals cross the border to grab jobs, he had to leave his family behind because it slows down the smuggling efforts. When the church has told us to uphold the laws and federal enforcement is lacking, what are we supposed to do?

libertarianmind
Tooele, UT

The majority of Utah's citizenry want this issue addressed with enforcement not more pandering to law breakers.

VST
Bountiful, UT

For those posting here, who claim the 14th Amendment does not apply to children born to illegals, I offer the following research from a legal perspective:

In a Supreme Court decision [United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 in 1898]; the Court affirmed that, under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth. Through subsequent Supreme Court decisions (1939, 1967, 1982, 1985, and 2004), and Congressional action in the case of Native Americans (they are now U.S. citizens), it has been clearly affirmed via the 14th Amendment, that anyone born in the United States becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth regardless of the immigration status of the parents. Only children born to foreign diplomats are excluded. Through those decisions, this is now established U.S. case law.

The only way to change automatic birthright citizenship is to change the 14th Amendment via another constitutional amendment. A change to the 14th Amendment is not going to happen in today's political environment or in the future that is an absolute reality.

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