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Published: Friday, Nov. 12 2010 11:00 a.m. MST

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Sister Gold
Layton, UT

I agree. What a lovely, succinct document. I support this new Utah declaration on immigration reform. So glad we have many good leaders here in Utah.

utahenergyideas
Salt Lake City, UT

We need to remove and not create any rewards and incentives for immigrants to come here and be here illegally.

Immigrants that are here illegally should not have the ability to become United States Citizens prior to those outside the U.S. applying to come legally.

We do need to treat all, even those breaking our laws, as human beings. There should be incentives for those that are already here illegally to register with the U.S. Government for a short term work visa if done in conjunction with a sponsoring legal business. Those short term work visas should not be a step toward citizenship.

Citizenship, if desired and qualified for, must be applied for with the application from their country of origin, (unless qualifying for asylum) and behind those that have been waiting legally there. 

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Sorry to BURST your bubble, but here's "MY" Official text of Utah lies on illegal immigration. I highly disagree with Utah. Yes illegal Immigrants are integrated into communities across Utah. Utah must obey all the written law's of the land and "NEVER" ever adopt a phony illegal humane approach to this reality, reflecting on their culture, history and spirit of inclusion. The way to treat illegal immigrants will say more about us all as a free society and more about our illegal immigrant neighbors. Utah should never be a place that welcomes illegal's in goodwill. Right now Utah don't respect the rule of law and support law enforcement's professional judgment and discretion. They try to turn "federal code's" into minor State civil violations stuffed into Bill's in Congress along with earmarks and pork. while they oppose policies that unnecessarily separate families and deport the parent's, when they have the right to take their "welfare kid's" along with them. Utah don't really acknowledge the non-economic role illegal immigrants play while real American workers and taxpayers pay for while they are here. That's my view, like it or not.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

I have rarely read or seen a more arrogant, elitist, pejorative document. The elites are out to protect the pandering and exploitation of these poor people for their own economic, political and religious self interests.

Speak English - USA
West Jordan, UT

Brother Chuck, I could not agree more.

P.S. Go read the DNews article called "Major human-smuggling cell busted" which happened in Arizona.

P.S.S. To anyone that opposes the immigration bill that Senator Sandstrom is passing, go take a visit to the southern part of Arizona for a week and see what your stance is after that experience.

The Utah Compact.... what a crock!

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

I would hope to see the Deseret News write less in favor of enforcement of a illegal immigration law. Approximately 17.3 percent of the 2,550,063 total population increase between 2000 and 2006 in Utah was directly attributable to illegal immigrants, in 2004 alone, the taxpayers of Utah spent $184.4 million per year on illegal aliens and their children in public schools alone. Utah's "LDS Church public policy" problems associated with birthright citizenship (actually with illegal immigration) could never be solve through legislation. All Employers in Utah could be among the first in the country to face criminal charges for failing to verify their workers' immigration status and that scares the LDS Church. Utah lawmakers have long prided themselves on creating a business-friendly environment in the state. Illegal-Immigrants who enter the United States illegally must all be deported, they are referred to by many terms, including illegal immigrants, illegal aliens, undocumented workers or clandestine workers. Title 8 of the U.S. Code has a chapter outlining the illegality of hiring or harboring illegal immigrants. This extends to those who should reasonably know that the people they're hiring or harboring are illegal immigrants.

wayneincalif
Huntington Beach, CA

I can't believe Utah's and our Church's attitude toward "illegal" immigrants.They even try to change "illegal" to "undocumented as a way to make them look "not so bad".
In order to be perfectly 'fair' do they also support a plan for all others visiting from foreign countries, to simply overstay their VISAs --and be accepted also?
An "Open Borders" policy cannot possibly be acceptable in any country with the 'Social Benefits' that we provide.
It is a great myth that the illegals (from Mexico and South America) contribute anything close to what they take from us! We're not talking about Europeans here. They would most likely be actual contributors to our society.
Only those irresponsible, selfish people who want them here to do their menial housekeeping and similar tasks, want them here -- even though the rest of us have to supplement their living expenses!

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Maybe this compact would play well in California or Washington, DC, but not for this Utahn!

On the surface this is a wonderful sentiment for a unicorn ranch in fantasyland.

However, it totally ignores the core of the problem, and that is illegal, repeat illegal, immigration.

Sadly, it encourages local cops to look the other way, but that is about it.

Some people are simply not willing to distinguish between legal immigrants who come here and obey the laws, and those whose very first act is to enter illegally and often commit additional crimes once here.

Legal immigrants good and welcome. Illegal immigrants band and not welcome.

If immigration laws can be ignored, then what other laws are these "leaders" willing to allow us to ignore? Income taxes, traffic, violent crimes, drugs?

The Utah Compact should be simple:
Obey the laws; all of them, or face the consequences. We will not encourage, assist or tolerate criminals among us and will take every legal step to prevent their entry, presence or employment in our state. Legal immigration is good and illegal immigration is bad.

dave4197
Redding, CA

Great!! Now Utah can start moving the federal laws towards more humane-ness. The present federal law is bad, nobody should blindly support it, it results in broken families, it promotes other illegal acts.
Time to change federal immigration law to have a practical path for immigration, that takes a few days not a decade. I think this Utah Compact is great, in that it states much more is needed in this discussion than the blind rule of law chant. If the feds continue to sleep at the switch, and if AZ just wants to pull the trigger on their guns, reasonable people who wrote this Utah Compact need to come to the forefront of this debate. And move the feds to act.

TRUTH
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't think it really says anything except let the federal govt manage this problem....and it doesn't say anything about what if the fed decides to do nothing...which it has?

Sandstrom needs to move forward with a bill like unto Arizona's....send a message to Washington that if they will not enforce the law, then we will enforce it here! Clean up the immigration problems we have here in Utah, before Utah becomes the next California!

Timj
South Jordan, UT

Those members of the LDS church who don't like the Utah Compact should go to the church website and find the Church's statement on it.
I quote:
"The Church regards the declaration of the Utah Compact as a responsible approach to the urgent challenge of immigration reform. It is consistent with important principles for which we stand..."

I'm grateful the church has now taken a strong vocal stand on the issue. Their actions (knowingly sending illegal immigrants on missions, etc.) show where they stand, but the church's recent statement strengthens that stand.

I also support the Utah Compact. And my church.

Watch Dog
Provo, UT

This is nothing more than a fluff piece.

What it really is saying is that those legally in the country need to be compassionate and allow those that are in violation of our laws to continue to do so. That includes illegal aliens AND greedy employers.

scarecrow
Saint George, Utah

Nearly every employed illegal alien has a stolen or forged identity. Is't that a crime?
Last year it is estimated that the State of Utah payed out nearly 400 million dollars for health, education, welfare, and incarceration for illegal aliens.
This compact seems to have been signed by all of those who benefit from illegal aliens, while the rest of us pay the cost.

CLW
Vancouver, WA

Timj,

I am a member of the Church and have also read the Church's statement on the Utah Compact. I find that it advocates compassion but also supports the law and order approach to immigration enforcement -

"We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nation's laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them."

The Church's statement was not to formally endorse the legislative agenda of the Utah Compact, since it does not contain one. It is a statement of support for a loving approach to the issue.

I support the compact's ideals as well, but nothing in the compact or the Church's statement is asking members to abandon their efforts to reform and more effectively enforce immigration laws in our states or country. It is asking us to do so without malice or hate, which I sustain as a member.

My2Cents
Kearns, UT

This declaration is missing the most important element we are faced with in the United States and Utah, illegal foreign nationals occupying this country. It's not that we have any broken immigration laws, we have broken enforcement of national security.

I have yet to see one illegal Mexican showing his immigration papers as he/she swims the river. Immigrants are documented and illegal Mexicans are not immigrants and the only race in the world who have confused occupation and looting with immigration.

No where in this document does it really address illegal aliens and declare the difference in immigration and foreign occupation. But by definition, illegal mexicans are not immigrants or legal occupants of america.

I totally agree with not breaking up families, so deport every member and cousin in the group with prejudice, the same prejudice and criminal intent they used to cross our borders.

Walt Nicholes
Orem, UT

I applaud this statement that local police should stop enforcing federal drug laws. As far as I can find there is no specific Utah law against the use of marijuana.

One can read this to also advocate that police stop enforcing speed laws, since they are civil in nature and not criminal. Specifically regarding the speed limit on the interstate highways, these are mandated by federal highway funds. The same can be said for seat belt laws, which are, again, not criminal laws, but civil infractions.

Discharging a firearm in city limits - where no damage is done to persons or property should clearly go - as well as local burn permits. These shouldn't be enforced, according to this compact.

Seriously folks - - - Seriously?

CJ
Murray, UT

Personally I think that tax laws need to be reformed. They are hard to understand, take hours to comply with, and cost me personally a lot of money to obey. My family suffers from the requirement we have to obey tax laws. I am going to simply stop paying taxes as a result and wait until we get TAX LAW REFORM. If we all quit paying taxes there would be a huge economic gain, we would all have more money to spend. Face it, enforcing tax laws hurts the economy.
My refusal to pay taxes will probably result in the separation of me from my family as I may go to jail. Do you think this enlightened bunch of elite people who think they run Utah would be willing to seek some "compassion" and "understanding" for me while I break the tax law waiting for "tax law reform"?
Or do they only care about those who break immigration laws? Do you think there might be some reason they don't want immigration laws enforced?

Gaius_Maximus
Littleton, CO

Those flying the banners of 'land of opportunity', 'family values', 'Just and Fair', or even 'Economic Refugees', seem to me to be suspiciously blind to the real issue at hand: Is the horde at the gates friend or foe?

Why can't families be kept together in their own homelands? What is unjust or unfair about requiring neighbouring nations to tend to their own poor? (Why is this spell-checker set to UK English?)

I think that 'proclamation' needs one more point that might even supplant all the others:

Friends are always welcome; Enemies are not.

Friends prove themselves by fully embracing our culture, language, and laws, and are invariably rewarded for doing so.

Invaders who reject everything about us (except our money) are clearly enemies.

Our own who reject that all-to-obvious fact-of-life are not just enemies, but traitors, and worthy of its reward.

And, by the way, 'love' ain't always pretty. And 'loving our enemies' does NOT equate to handing them the keys.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

I have no problem being compassionate towards those with goodwill. But illegal immigration is NOT goodwill. It is a well-oiled machine, where local groups encourage and assist illegal immigrants, give them fake social security numbers, and teach them what to avoid in order to not get caught. It's absolutely disgusting, and there is no honor associated with it.

This Compact is essentially asking me to take in my brother, who means well, but steals from me every time he visits. The costs of hosting illegals outweighs the financial benefits--although the business owners that signed the Compact certainly benefit financially from illegal immigrants.

Calling illegal immigration a Federal issue is nothing more than a cop out. WE, the STATE of Utah, are the people who have funded so many different programs in order accommodate our new immigrants. Illegal immigration is a huge state issue.

We need ACTION, not a group of people getting together to talk about talking about an issue and feeling so good about themselves.

jray
patterson, la

Am i the only one who is feeling something is definetly wrong here? Why are our leaders promoting breaking federal laws and harboring criminals who are invading our country. Why do i feel our church leadership is falling astray and giving into the world and its false presepts. Illegals destroy their own country then come here wanting us to allow them to all come here and make this just like the place they just messed up. If you love mexico so much you should move there and try and make mexico a better place.

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