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Published: Friday, Nov. 12 2010 11:00 a.m. MST

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positiverealist
Salt Lake City, UT

Please understand that if they are caught crossing the border without inspection it is a criminal federal class B misdemeanor and they are deported. If they are not caught or if their visa expires then it is only "Unlawful presense" which is only a CIVIL infraction of a federal code not criminal. I don't condone what they have done but separating their families for a class B misdemeanor is not a suitable punishment for a class B misdemeanor nor a Civil infraction of a federal code. It is not as simple as "what about illegal don't you understand" ? We should not become a police state and if we follow what AZ has done and we make the Federal Civil infraction into a state crime there will be untold unintended consequences for not only the economy but for Utah's future. Understanding the legal issues is a start but most people that have written in don't have the legal understanding and they just keep saying enforce the law... If the policeman does not see you J walk and all of a sudden your on the other side your not going to get a J walking ticket

  • 5:38 p.m. Nov. 11, 2010
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cowshed
Provo, Utah

I'm happy to see our business, community and church leaders support a rational approach to immigration policy. I hope leaders at the national level take note of these principles and do what they're elected for -- create an immigration and naturalization law that is constitutional, enforceable, and compassionate.

As other posters have noted, the United States, because it is such a great place to live, can probably not assimilate all who would like to come here, but we should try to assimilate the maximum feasible number in a fair and reasonable way. Our leaders should also work, as many have in the past, to help other countries build their economies and foster individual freedom so that people can live freely and happily in their home countries.

Jingoism, racism, and hatred for those who are different from ourselves should have no place in our modern world, especially among those who profess, as many here in Utah do, to follow Jesus Christ.

  • 5:44 p.m. Nov. 11, 2010
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Soul
Salt Lake City, UT

My family waited in line for a long time to come into the United States legally, through the front door. Many more people from around the world are still waiting for their chance to come to the USA, even after decades of waiting.

The compact is, as claimed, a humane way to start addressing a complex problem with layers of jurisdictions, locally and certainly at the federal government.

However, I still have neighbors (citizens and illegal immigrants) who are both human beings and law breakers. What shall we do, enforce the laws of the land fairly or ignore the so called federal codes that are criminal in nature? Don't add to the problem!

I suggest putting enormous pressure on the federal government to SHUT DOWN THE BORDERS, especially with Mexico. We need leaders with guts to make the best decisions in protecting the souther flanks of the nation. An orderly method for legally crossing the borders will help.

Having said that, new laws should be created to handle the illegal immigrants who are already here as long term guest workers only. The US cannot deport 12 million people with mixed legal status without unnecessary human and
economic sufferings.

  • 6:19 p.m. Nov. 11, 2010
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Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

Thank ya'll to Recommend my page 1 post and for the - Recommendations: 20,000 and counting

as you can see, "This Brother" tells the truth, when it comes down to RINO and left-wing liberal Obama wannabee's Community phony leaders, urge moderate's a approach to illegal immigration, when we know real reform would be to deport them all along with their American made kid's, they can take them back when they leave, one way or the other.

TMR
Santa Monica, CA

To Uncle Sam: Yes, I reside in LA, and have resided in many other places, including SLC. Not sure what you mean by illegal immigration affecting my State . . . "beyond repair." Issues that create problems for California include problems like bloated pensions (none of which, I am quite sure, go not to illegal immigrants, but rather to those legal residents that you prefer), but as far as I can tell, all immigrants, legal and illegal, perform important work here in Calfornia and contribute positively to my Church and community. So, as a Californian, I welcome them. No doubt there are a scattering of grumpy folks in places like Orange County who would take your side, but I for one am glad they are here.

Ronald Mortensen
Bountiful, UT

Does this mean that the community leaders support the arrest and prosecution of the 75% of illegal aliens who commit felony document and Social Security fraud? Source: Social Security Administration as reported in the New York Times.

Does this mean that the community leaders support the arrest, prosecution, incarceration and deportation of illegal aliens who are using the Social Security numbers of an estimated 50,000 Utah children which is identity theft/fraud, a felony under Utah law? Source: Investigations by Utah Workforce Services.

Or are the community leaders willfully ignoring these crimes and sacrificing the American children who suffer very real and serious harm including the loss of their good names, destroyed credit and corrupted medical records with life threatening consequences in order to further the interests of the 75% of illegal aliens who are committing major job-related felonies?

sg
Santa Clarita, CA

Sounds to me this "pact" just passed the buck of handling immigration to the Feds...how lovely. Like they're about to do anything about it. Sorry, but the LDS church is wrong in its stance. Obey the laws of the land. Illegals should be found, arrested, deported along with their entire families if need be. Let's stop sugar coating this epidemic and down-right invasion of all illegals no matter where they come from. I'm LDS and I disagree with their stance. Whatever happened to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar? We were taught to uphold the laws of the land. Unfortunately, our wonderfully corrupt federal government is unwilling to protect its citizenry from this invasion.

SLars
Provo, UT

It's amazing that Churches can use the "civil" not crime argument, when a few minutes reading sect 8 of the immigration code shows that is incorrect.

We focus on the hardships of those here illegally, but ignore the hardships they cause the citizens and legal immigrants.

We preach compassion for only those who break the law? Where have honesty and integrity gone?

What other laws can Americans break out of compassion?

localblue
Sandy, UT

Glad to see there are some who see this issue in more rational and fair terms. I know they are breaking the law but the vast majority of them are doing so only to put food on the families of their families. And the vast majority of them are not hurting others in doing so. Please see the data as what I am saying is a fact. The analogy I like to use is if two parents are speeding to get to the hospital because the mother is in labor, they are breaking the law. But they are only trying to better themselves and likely not affecting others. Since law enforcement has always turned a blind eye to this type of illegal behavior, it continues to happen and is tolerated. Same goes for illegal immigration. Sure, secure the borders, do something about crime, etc. but for those already here living good American law-abiding lives, find a way to allow them to stay. Maybe they can pay a fine, prove that they are learning English, study American history, etc. But just forcing them back to their countries when they have nothing to return to is unnecessary and cruel.

Upson Downs
Sandy, UT

You can go ahead and cancel my account with the Deseret News public opinion forum. It is plain to see that you are going to strike any opinions aimed at the leadership of the LDS or Catholic Churches and leaders of certain law enforcement agencies that have abandoned their respect for the laws of Utah and the laws of the U.S. When will the LDS Church and it's leaders adhere to the twelth article of faith and tell law breakers to go home and come back in accordance with U.S. law?

working class
Salt Lake City, UT

I commend the LDS Church on its humane position - it is the right one. Now I wish it was more supportive of people being able to get affordable health care, reigning in its tea party subsidiary the Deseret News!!!!!

Morgan Duel
Taylorsville, UT

Hmm. What happened to "We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law."

The Compact declares that immigration reform is the responsibility of the federal government.

What if the Federal Government does not want to enforce it's own Law?

JBrady
Murray, Ut

It's reasonable and compassionate to enforce the laws of the land equally against all who break it.

It's very difficult to sit in Church on the sabbath, and be taught one thing, while watching our religious leaders do the opposite.

I can understand the shift away from organized religion.

We are talking about criminal activity. Marking it as civil is deceptive and dishonest.

RichardB
Murray, UT

After 25 years of lack of enforcement, the calls for moderation fall on deaf ears.

A call for following the laws of the land seems more appropriate from religious and civic leaders.

RichardB
Murray, UT

positiverealist, you need to clarify. If someone is here shopping, visiting or overstayed a visa a few days, then it is a civil infraction. If a person crosses the border with intent to work, it's a felony.

When they do work without permission, it's multiple felonies.

The civil infraction part is misleading, as it applies to circumstances where one could be stuck here through no fault of their own, such as transportation troubles.

We sew the seeds of future problems by our actions today. We have enforced immigration laws before, we need to return to the days of enforcement.

The arguments used by the leaders quoted in this article show the need for enforcement. The excuse of dividing families show us how the lack of enforcement creates more problems.

William A
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Let me fix that first sentence for you: "A broad swath of people with 6-figure incomes, almost all of whom live in Federal Heights/Capitol Hill, came together to encourage Utah to continue the same failed approach to illegal immigration that has led to 12 million illegal immigrants currently living in the US."

Fixed that for you.

And it's nice to hear this group telling the state that it shouldn't 'usurp federal power.' They surely have no problem with Utah usurping federal law when giving illegal immigrants driver's licenses or in-state tuition.

In case they missed it, one of the underlying themes of the latest election was the public's growing distrust of the ruling class. The electorate threw ~70 Democratic incumbents out of office, and GOP voters turned their noses up at one establishment-preferred candidate after another.

But the news only gets worse: the economic prospects of Americans (not to mention the balance sheets of the federal and state gummints) will continue to be grim unless and until America starts to control its borders. Our economy doesn't need 12 million high school dropouts, and it never did.

William A
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Next up: the Utah Stolen Car Compact - "Enforcement with Compassion"

"We recognize that car theft is an awful thing, nevertheless there are hundreds of thousands of people driving around this very moment in stolen cars, and it would be impossible to arrest them all and they're going to drive them anyway, and how could we be so cruel as to deny these otherwise decent people a source of transportation? So we'll arrest them, if we catch them (maybe), but make no special effort to do so. But until we arrest them it would only be the compassionate thing to pay for their insurance, and their maintenance, and their fuel."

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There is a reason no lawmaker would ever propose such a "solution" to car theft. Yet that is exactly the type of "solution" they've given us for illegal immigration.

RRB
SLC, UT

I don't believe any of us want to live in a land where breaking the law is tolerated to give us a batter life. Such thought could justify any criminal activity.

I am perplexed by the comment from the LDS Church, "Forced separation of working parents from their children weakens families and damages society."

Most people who break laws are jailed, and separated by their actions from family. The only way to prevent this, is teaching others to follow the law.

I have read numerous articles in the media, I don't recall any articles where parents were deported, and their children were forced to stay here.

kitchy
Bountiful, UT

Breaking the law is breaking the law. Deal with people who break the law in an aggressive manner and stop the liberal and politically correct ideas that we should condone wrong doing. Come into the country legally and then you can be treated with compassion, otherwise stay in your own country. With this attitude we would be compassionate to Brian David Mitchel. He broke the law too. No, compassion is for those who do what is right and prison or deportation for those who do not do the right thing.

G Blake
West Jordan, UT

I'll feel better about a moderate position on illegal immigration when all the folks who are feeling so compassionate will publish their addresses, then leave their doors unlocked for illegals to stay with them. I suspect none will be doing so.
What do you say? Can they stay with you? Indefinitely?

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