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Published: Friday, Nov. 12 2010 11:00 a.m. MST

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Fort Duchesne, UT

The document has the same weight and importance as the State declaring "Be nice to your Fine Feathered Friends Week." Any smart person knows you can't spit into the wind nor draw on the Lone Ranger and you can't solve a problem with a be nice policy. Unless you are willing to enforce the law and put "heart" into it--there will continue to be Federal Law Violators painting graffiti, posting the flag upside down, taking jobs with phony IDs, not paying income tax, and getting free education and health care.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

OK legislature and community leaders, the ball is in your court. You've stood up, now deliver. Do something, anything. The fact that you are compassionate, concerned and engaged has been established and it's commendable.

I call, let's see your cards.

Ajax
Mapleton, UT

Finally some sensible and informed talk on immigration by our community leaders. Thank heavens for the wisdom of Utah's no longer silent majority.

Hopefully the legislature will man-up and respect the will of the people. Willful ignorance is the bane of society.

New Yorker
Pleasant Grove, UT

Hey Dan Bishop,
No one forced my parents when they arrived from Poland and the Austrian empire to "learn English, teach their children not to write on the walls, attain citizenship, or give up their old citizenship." In the land of opportunity, it just happens. If they had wanted compulsion, they would have stayed in the old country. There the Government decided whether you dug ditches, learned a trade, or got to go to a university. God Bless America!

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

Rep. Sandstrom and others in the legislature that oppose illegal immigration, beware the long knives are now out. We see cheap labor groups such as the SL Chamber of Commerce, the Sutherland Institute, Ivory Homes and more wanting to continue to flood the labor market with cheap taxpayer subsidized foreign labor. We also see the Churches that want grow their congregations.

Now we are worried about families being broken up? What about the poor families of citizens that are broken up when a family member is sent to jail or prison for such things as fraud, theft, and other non-violent crimes?

Look at the list of those supporting illegal immigration, and you will see that most of them are more of an interest in cheap labor, and politics than compassion.

Since the native birthrate leveled off at 2.1 per female in the late 70s many see legal and illegal immigration as a method of growing the population. We all seem to want more church members, more homes, larger state and city population and so on. Where does this end? Perhaps half a billion U.S. population by mid century? What will that look like?

ouisc
Farmington, UT

Wow. So all these people got together to write and sign the Utah Compact, which does absolutely nothing. How do these people get anything accomplished in their day jobs? Still, they offer no alternatives. They just don't want to bite the hands that feed them.

AnnieZ
Durham, NC

Kudos to all involved in the Utah Compact. It is a well-written, reasonable statement that takes into account the Constitution as well as compassion.

For those of you that continue to have a witch-hunt mentality when it comes to immigrants, I strongly encourage you to calm down and look at the motivations behind your anti-immigration diatribes. Or at the very least, take some time to actually learn about actual US immigration laws before coming onto this board and ranting.

Speak English - USA
West Jordan, UT

Let's rip this "fluff" up and get down to business. I don't care how compassionate we need to "appear" as we do it, but it is time to get illegals out of our state. I am so sick and tired of these minority groups getting together to get their names in the paper.

The huge majority of Utahns want Senator Sandtrom's bill passed yesterday. Let's put it to a state vote if you are really wanting to do what the people want. I would predict 75%-80% would vote to pass the immigration (get out of Utah) bill.

I am a Mormon, and I am going to take a closer look at my church's stance on this. Because if they are taking the stance that illegals should have amnesty in any way, shape, or form.... I am going to contact my church leaders. It is time to uphold the laws that are already in place.

bulldog
Sandy, UT

When theyre willing to come here legally (not by amnesty), live by the laws of the land, speak English, assimilate themselves into OUR culture, willing to become an American citizen and pledge allegiance to no other foreign country or government. Im for it!
Otherwise, cut all the crap and send them back so they CAN be with their families!

elk
Monticello, UT

This is not about human rights it is about cheap labor and church membership by the framers of the compact
The Federal Government can not or will not address this issue so the State Government must.
First - the state must enact and enforce - no non citizen is entitled to free social services, such as welfare, education, medical care, etc. in the Utah period.
Second - If you are an illegal and you have a baby in the U.S. they are not a citizen until you are.
Third - make it illegal to have other than English on all government forms, Home Depot signs, etc. no more two language system everywhere. If you do not speak English, learn it or stuggle. Mexico dose not provide me a double language when I am down there.
Fourth - if you fly your country's flag, disrespect the US Flag or any other aspect of being a US citizen you are deported along with your family.
If you are coming here to better yourself and your family - do it, but not at the expense of tax paying citizens.
Larry

sally
Kearns, UT

speak english - usa, the LDS churches comments are on the KSL article. To read it, you have to click on the connector web site toward the end of the article. It would be helpful if it was included on this website.

lawenforcementfromAZ
Glendale, AZ

What a sad state of affairs! Let's make this simple and honest:

1. Those immigrating here pursuant to current US laws are welcome to particpate in the American dream of self-sufficiency and abiding in the laws fo the land.
2. Those here illegally, continually voilate our laws, especialy criminal statutes by using stolen or forged identities.
3. Those here illegally take jobs from lawful US citizens.
4. Those here illegally are a burden to honest tax paying citizens.

Why has this been allowed to happen? The US Government has failed to enfore the law. The law isn't borken, it's just not enforced.

We can never have a land that relies on the rule of law unless the laws are respected and enforced.

"We acknowledge that every nation has the right to enforce its laws and secure its borders. All persons subject to a nation's laws are accountable for their acts in relation to them.

TMR
Santa Monica, CA

I must admit that the "dark side" of me enjoys seeing these articles in the DN on immigration because without fail it exposes the meanness and anger of the radical right-wing - you people just cannot help yourselves - and the comments provide both a reminder that we still have a long way to go in this country and some form of twisted comic relief. In a more serious vein, kudos to the LDS Church and others for taking a balanced, and compassionate position on immigration.

U of U Fan
Salt Lake City, UT

I think so many people are skeptical of this Utah Compact because of several of its supporters:

Salt Lake Chamber of Commerce, the Sutherland Institute, Ivory Homes.

What do they want?

Cheap labor.

Americans can see the self-serving cheap labor lobby easily. These organizations practically have neon lights on their name.

Spoc
Ogden, UT

Federal law determines who should stay or go. But there is nothing wrong with state and local law enforcement officers supporting federal courts in apprehension. They do it all the time when they find interstate drug traffic traveling Utah freeways.

Just for the record, there is no such thing as a civil infraction of the illegal entry statute. The first infraction is a criminal misdemeanor punishable by 6 months in jail or a year in prison for a subsequent infraction. I can also bring suit for civil damages in addition to the criminal penalties and after the prison time he can be deported. If it is a second offense he can also be permanently barred from entry into the country. Does that sound like a minor issue?

While it is true that citizen children cannot be deported, parents are not permitted to abandon their children either. At least two options are available: take them with you and we will foot the bill, or if you can arrange it before you are deported they must be permanently adopted by citizens, not just given up for adoption.

Did I Say That?
Rawlins, WY

Yes, I believe we need to be compassionate.

Please give the illegals a helping hand into the bus back to Mexico.

Emophiliac
Vernal, UT

So, the question is, will the will of the supporters of the Compact be able to overcome the will of the majority of Utahns? Should businesses be able to import labor to the detriment of US citizens? Does the welfare of the business supersede that of US citizens? As long as our taxes are going to support unemployed US citizens, we should be supporting policies that put them to work, rather than policies that make the biggest profit for a business. I suppose we should be compassionate, but we should be compassionate and fair to everyone, but mainly to US citizens.

LatterDayLiberal
Hurricane, UT

The Compact expresses noble sentiments that most reasonable people can agree with. Few of us have any problems with immigrants who came here looking for work and a better life for their families -- legally or otherwise.

However, we should have ZERO TOLLERANCE for ANY criminal activity on their part. Criminals who are not citizens should be returned to their home country (whether or not they have family here); or their consulate should be billed for their care and feeding as long as they are in our prison system; or the FedGov should pay the expenses.

Of course, expecting the FedGov to do anything positive or responsible is a fantasy.

Uncle Sam
West Jordan, UT

Hey TMR, I noticed you are from California. Don't even get me started on how ILLEGAL immigration has affected your state. Beyond repair....

I don't get the whole "civil" argument. Why am I racist according to Latinos, and part of the "dark side" being called a radical "right wing" when all I want is for the current laws in place to be enforced?

When did it become cool in America to challenge every single thing that is wrong, to justify it being right? Exercising your first amendment privilege, good for you. I want our laws enforced, and they cannot get illegals out of my country soon enough! You can call me what you want, I am an American citizen that pays my taxes, supports my country, and wants to have a world that my kids can grow up in and live in that supports the U.S. Constitution.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Dearest Heartless Ultra-Conservatives,

How many times have I repeated that there must be "Moderation in ALL things"???

Please turn off your TVs and radios,
take your "kick them all out" Beck-Limbaugh-Hannity extremist mindest - stiffle it - and Follow the Brethern.

Thank You.

Sincerely,
LDS Liberal

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