Magazine calls the city a 'New Silicon Valley'
Gov Moonbeam has already publicly stated he will restrain spending, even
anticipating vetoing democratic sponsored bills.His big break came
when he voters passed an initiative allowing simple majority to pass the budget.
We don't need to buy Republican votes with wasteful spending to make the 2/3
vote anymore. That will save a LOT of money.I have money, a lot of
it, money I could never have made in UT, and I'm not going anywhere. I'm
retiring right here in the best state in the union.You're retiring
to Utah ? Good for you. It's a beautiful place to not spend any money. Or make
any money, either, for that matter.
What a bunch of idiots in CA. Of course you're going to have a larger GDP in CA
v. UT, 10 times the population? CA is in trouble, bad trouble,
fiscally. Gov Moonbeam can't fix it, and people with money are leaving CA.
What's left are Socialist minded "give me free education" people who
won't have anybody left to increase taxes on except themselves. There's a
reason there is little to no middle class in Mexico, and CA is headed in the
same direction.I just sold my house, and I'm moving my business and
money to UT. It's been a fun 30 years I've been there, but we're out of here in
less than 6 months. You can have Gov Moonbeam and Babs, maybe they'll give you
their millions they made at your expense.
@cats: not sure what "entitlement culture" you are referring to. You
must be ditto'ing something Rush said. San Jose/Silicon Valley workers work
longer, harder, and smarter than anyone in the world, including UT, even the
supposedly "high tech" centers like Provo.Brown and Boxer
were elected because they were the best candidates. They ran against two
extremists who had never held ANY office, or even voted, before. Unfortunately,
the CA Republican party is too dumb to nominate winning (i.e. moderate)
candidates. The moderate Governator WON, but CA Republicans ignored him because
he wasn't extreme enough. Businesses are leaving, the middle class
is stampeding.. I've heard that every recession for 30 years. And every upturn,
MORE businesses and people return to CA.CA *still* has the highest
GNP of any state in the US.Utah should be so lucky to have even HALF
of our "mess".It seems denial IS a river that runs through
I'm glad everyone in San Jose is prosperous. When I was in central CA two years
ago,people earning between $90k- 250K were leaving like crazy. It was a nice
I find this hilarious that ANYONE is defending the mess that has been made of
California. No wonder they just voted in Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer. That's
why middle class flight from California is turning into a stampede. That's why
businesses are leaving in droves. You guys haven't learned one thing, have you.
The entitlement culture you live in is ready to completely crash and you still
don't get it. Denial is NOT a river in Egypt.
No recovery until Obama out of white house according to Limbaugh and McConnell.
to Valleyboy17: watch out; Utah, Texas, Arizona and Virginia are very carefully
laying plans to raid CA and bring home your best companies. Your new Governor
will be their best ally.
Hate to break it to you, folks, but this has been going on for more than 30
years. It's nothing new.When I came to the (silicon) Valley, in
1983, Intel had just moved large plants to Arizona. All the top managers were
enthusiastic about moving to AZ, and yet everybody who mattered was back in the
Valley within 2 years.@Stalwart Sentinel has it almost right. SLC,
and Portland, Seattle, Austin, RTP/N. Carolina (and for that matter, San
Francisco) are suburbs of San Jose. A bit higher level than call-centers, but
the jobs there are secondary, the opportunities are MUCH less, and the payoff is
much less.When the economy recovers, the secondary locations will do
well compared to their local towns, but nothing like San Jose. San Jose is more
boom/bust, whereas the secondary locations are more stable, but at a lower level
overall.Now is the bust time, and the second-tier places are
"livin large", for them. That's normal. Talk to me in the upper-half
of the economic cycle. San Jose is the wealthiest large city in the US, for a
@MR: You haven't a single clue, do you ?Bush made such a blessed
mess of the economy that he had few choices, and neither did Obama. "free
market" Bush did so many active interventions in markets that it is
breathtaking. He can't possibly be considered a financial or economic
conservative. Neither is he a liberal. He was, well... nothing, just a inept
dufus.Most of the big stuff on the economy is stuff that ALL
economists agree are required minimums, regardless of liberal/conservative view.
Yes, Bush made a mess THAT big. And Obama hasn't had much wiggle
room for a "liberal" policy.Obama got health care through,
and that is way more achievement than Dubya could ever hope for.
In an off-beat way at least they did mention that only those under 30 actually
have a chance to get a job in the Salt Lake area. From personal
research if you are over 30 go to the New England States like Maine, New
Hampshire and Vermont where they welcome 'older' employees because unlike the
under 30 crowd they stick to the job for more than 3 months. I can't believe the
overturn rate for some of the companies here. Every three months (average) they
are seeking to refill the same position that they hired for not too long ago.
And you don't even have to speak spanish or french in the states listed above.
Please confirm that Menacetosociety actually used deficit spending under Bush to
support a position. Seriously? Where have you been the last two years? If you
say that was bad (which I agree with wholeheartedly), how do you defend current
spending practices which makes Bush look like a miser? Oh I get it, because
Bush spent recklessly, he forced Obama to REALLY have to spend. Makes complete
sense to me. Bush ruined everything and Obama fixed it all .... we just haven't
been patient enough. Obama has doubled down on everything Bush did
@dave31 - CA absolutely has fiscal issues, no doubt; but I would trade our
fiscal issues in order to have a society based on the principles I outlined in
my first post over that of a conservative state any day. Also, I
believe you mixed up what we, on the "Left Coast", do: we bail out
conservative states every single day (industry, federal taxes, etc...). If we
weren't sending billions a year to keep conservatives afloat, we may well have a
balanced budget in CA.In the area of 'hope', I sincerely hope you
enjoy the "booming" Utah call center economy in the interim between
now and when that entire sector gets outsourced to India. @ER in
EURYou may be jumping to conclusions, buddy. Maybe re-read the
context of the discussion?
no mention of tax incentives...hmmm.
California is a wonderful place, with beautiful beaches, a perfect climate, and
incredible natural resources. Millions of people moved there, including my
grandparents, many years ago. The state decided to enshrine its then-current
residents with fixed property taxes, incredible state pensions, early retirement
options for state employees, and a bloated public education bureaucracy at all
levels. These overcommitments have left IOUs for under-funded obligations that
the state will never be able to meet on its own. If you were
worried about Greece, it's time we start talking about California. Who's ready
for a bail-out?
To Stalwart Sentinel,Wow you are very angry in your happiness! This is not an attack on you. Just an article on measurable economics.
It is just saying SLC is poised to rebound from the recession perhaps better
than some other places. Not to say the other places are bad, just an economic
report or possibilities. Chill & breath.
re "Stalwart Sentinel"I hope you will continue to have the
opportunity to support those of us in the "Red States."Right after you have had the opportunity to bail out your part of the
Notice the article said decent schools. Imagine how we would rank if we valued
education more and show that we do.
just visited seattle last month. i thought it was interesting how things were
about as bad as they were two years ago. people without jobs were still without
jobs. the difference I found was that there was no longer an intensity about the
depression, they just treated it as though they were always going to be without
a job and that the state would somehow help them out. it's an interesting
contrast from say a place like Utah where industrious people can still find the
Conservatives probably should not brag about recent job growth in red states
after all the millions of jobs the country lost during the Bush years while
Dubbya was more than doubling the overall budget deficit. Especially when he
was following a President who was running budget surplusses and the country was
enjoying prosperity. Bush following Clinton was like Gary Crowton following
LaVell Edwards. Not something to be proud of.
@Belching CowYou can take your Newsweek article and I'll take the US
Census which consistently demonstrates that those of us living in liberal states
have a higher education, make more money, work more hours (ie work harder), pay
more in taxes (ie pay for your roads), don't take federal handouts (compare
federal dollars in to dollars out per state), own more small businesses per
capita, own more large businesses per capita, provide more equal treatment of
minorities/women in the workforce, provide more civil rights to indiscreet
minorities, suffer less from obesity, suffer less from crime, suffer less from
violent crime, and alcoholism is lower too. The fact that Newsweek
thinks SLC may be the next Silicon Valley underscores the accuracy of the
article. SLC serves as nothing more than a giant call center for companies in
the Bay Area.
All ten cities are in Red States where right to work is prevalent. Unions fail.
This is why i am moving my family to South Jordan in 2012-2013. I cant wait to
be apart of the Salt Lake Valley!
Interesting that 4 of the to 10 cities are in Texas, a conservative state.
Gosh, I wonder why none where in California?