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Published: Saturday, Nov. 6 2010 11:35 p.m. MDT

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Outsideview
Federal Way, WA

It makes you realize how good the MWC would have been if Utah, BSU, BYU and TCU plus a trade of Nevada and Fresno for Wyoming and CSU (or New Mexico) would have been if everyone would have stayed.

Like everything these days, lots of changes are happening. Lets see what it is like in 3 yrs.

sammyg
Springville, UT

Yep, Yep, Yep. It's what I've been saying all along.

If the Utes can't beat the best of the lowly MWC how does this translate for next year? The very Las Vegas Bowl the many have been disparaging might be the only bowl available for the Utes.

Competition is going to weigh pretty tough in the Conference of Champions and today the Utes were weighed and measured and found lacking.

I've said a 7-5 season in the past. I'm lowering it to .500 now that things have been exposed.

Man About Town
Syracuse, UT

Poll questions:

1) The Utes have been exposed as a so-so team. 8 wins against mediocre competition isn't so impressive. When the Utes came up against real competition, they were not up to the challenge.

2) The Pac-12 will be tough and I doubt very strongly they will be able to pull off a top-3 finish, especially their first year. They have played a few Pac-10 teams these past years and have done well, but that is not the same as being in the league and playing that competition level week in and week out.

I doubt they'll be able to recruit at a high-enough level to get the talent they need to finish in the top 3 year in and year out. Occasionally, yes, but I expect the Utes to be an average Pac-12 team at best.

3) TCU is the real deal. They have proven that they are a complete team and can compete with anybody. I think they deserve a shot at the championship game. If they don't get it, then it proves once again that the BCS is flawed and must be replaced with a playoff!

sports fan
Provo, UT

Lets not blow one lose out of proportion. sure it was a blowout but the Utes are still having a great season. i am still a believer!

GO Utes!

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT


A Tale of Two Cities
November 6, 2010

"Biggest Game in State History" at RES
#3 TCU (9-0) vs #5 Utah(8-0)
Attendance = 46,522

"Meaningless Game" at LES
BYU(3-5) vs UNLV(1-7)
Attendance = 61,283

Even in a rebuilding year and still fighting to become bowl eligible, BYU fans still show up to support their team.

It would be interesting to see what the attendance figures would have been like if the records and stakes had been reversed.

One thing we do know:

When BYU played its "Biggest Game in State History" against the #1-ranked, defending national champion Miami Hurricanes, the Cougars thoroughly outplayed THE U and won the game, 28-21.

(Everyone who watched the game knows that BYU dominated much more than the final score indicates.)

When Utah played its "Biggest Game in State History" against the #3-ranked TCU Horned Frogs, the U was thoroughly outplayed and humiliated on their home field, 7-47.

stonewall
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Utah was exposed, yes. But about 115 other FBS teams probably would be manhandled by TCU too. Let's be reasonable. I don't think this shows that Utah is unfit for the PAC-12 all of a sudden, because I don't think there's a team in the PAC-12 that TCU wouldn't beat, including Oregon. Maybe all this talk from Utah fans about stepping in and being a dominant power next year in the conference can finally die down a bit, hopefully. They're obviously not the elite team or program some were thinking they were. But they're not pitiful or incapable of competing in that conference either. I didn't glean enough from this single game to thoroughly convince me one way or the other about them. What if they win out and finish 12-1? Is everyone still going to think they're a mediocre team? I just hope the criticisms and the embellished praises of Utah are tempered now going forward after this game

mindgames
Aurora, CO

Tough loss to a seemingly great TCU team. I hope that a road win against a strong Utah team will generate a few more first place votes.

As a BIG BYU fan I have been impressed with Utah's season and this loss is a setback, but a victory next week against Notre Dame and then another against San Diego State will setup a final MWC loss to BYU.

Here's my future dream for the breakup of BCS and a national cry for playoffs. Utah wins the PAC-12 finishing the season with one loss and playing in the Rose Bowl. Boise State winning the MWC undefeated and playing in the Fiesta Bowl. TCU going undefeated and playing for the national championship angainst an undefeated indepedent BYU and of course BYU winning 57-0.

That should get everybody's attention.

It's just mindgames.

JapanCougar
Apo, AP

In answer to the questions:
No (as stated they are better than that, but not a top-10 team). Yes (3rd is reasonable). Yes (if either Auburn or Oregon loses).

I would love to see BYU face Utah's schedule year-in year-out. Alas, the Pac-12 chose Colorado (the new doormat of the league) over BYU.

I hope BYU can come up with great independent schedules for the future with 8-10 really good games every year.

Shylock
Salt Lake City, UT

Holy cow! One loss and people are already condemning the U next year! You can't judge an entire future season off of one game when the team will have that much more experience. Who knows? They may get trounced, or they may dominate.

And to Mr. Solomon, everyone knows that LES is much bigger than RES. And you're quoting scores from the "glory days" of BYU just makes your fan base look nieve. If your team has to live in the distant past, that just means there isn't much to cheer about in the present (your team still isn't bowl eligible and has been condemned to the Las Vegas Bowl for how many years? -although it looks like that's where the U is headed this year.)

firestorm
Lehi, UT

The only thing missing was that obnoxxxxxous train horn the frogs blow off after every score at home... Utes didn't just get run over ,, they got hit by a train.

Jrifkin48
Fayetteville, NC

Utah's survival depends heavily on Whittingham sticking around. This program is not a traditional power and will not be able to recruit directly against USC, ASU and Oregon. The facilities are mediocre, and the fan base is "fair weather". The last two coaches (Meyer and Whittingham) have brought the U to it's recent success. Meyer has already moved on and I doubt the UofU can pay Whittingham enough money to stay loyal when programs like Tennessee are willing to drop 4 Million a year.

Elgabacho
Washington, DC

Still can't stop thinking about '84 solomon? BYU fans only show up when they know they'll win. That's why they wouldn't like a move to the PAC-12 because they would rather be a winner in a bad conference than have a challenge in a good conference.

As for the Las Vegas bowl, I guess when we are mediocre we'll go to the bowl that BYU went to when they were their best.

Ya, we got our butts kicked by a #3 team. We're we over rated? It seems like it, ONe thing that is for sure is that TCU is really good.

Jimmy James
Bronx, NY

OK, perspective people. It was one game, and TCU is one heck of a team. And I don't care if Utah was playing football at the level equivalent of New Mexico, going to the Pac-10 when invited is ALWAYS a good idea.

Football aside, for the U of U to now be associated with some top notch schools through the Pac-10 is a huge win for the university as a whole.

aljmac
Salt Lake City, UT

Meh, I'm not seeing the logic here. Yes, we got waxed by TCU last year, then went on to wax a PAC10 team in our bowl. It wouldn't surprise me to see the same thing again this year.

I don't think this game is a tell tale sign of anything that will happen in the PAC. The PAC isn't full of TCUs. So, put down the stick sub-.500-losing-to-USU BYU fans - you've competed for your last conference championship. Utah will be fine in the PAC. We'll win some and lose some - just like every good school in a good AQ conference.

The Ute future is bright!

NeilT
Clearfield, UT

Levi, lets be fair. The game was sold out. Rice Eccles is a smaller stadium. Unfair comparision

Y Grad / Y Dad
Richland, WA

Okay already. I have to admit, the unrepentant side of me smiled yesterday every time I got an update on the game, but one loss to the team that may well end up being the national champ does not make Utah a bad team. Or so so either.

I DO believe that SOME Utah fans got a little too wrapped up in how wonderful everything had been going, forgetting that sooner or later, a loss would come. When you have earned a spot on the national stage, it makes any loss embarrassing. And when you lay an egg like yesterday...

The sun will come out, Utah will still have a very good season, but yesterday planted two seeds of hope for us cougar fans.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

@TomB1382...No, nobody in Utah got the license number because they were and are still in shock! They were still dreaming of being National Champs and then going into the Conference of Champions and winning it again there. Now when they close their eyes all they can see is blackness.

They were right in calling a "black-out" They just didn't know they were going to be knocked out and see nothing but black and then wake up to being black and blue.

IDC
Boise, ID

TCU is as good as Oregon and Oregon is the best in the PAC 10. Utah was overrated and the bandwagon was full but the PAC isn't that scary. The MWC has had 4 teams ranked this year as well.

B
Logan, UT

I suspect that game yesterday was a horrible combination of TCU bringing their very best and Utah just having a very off game. It makes no sense. Utah destroys Iowa State 68-27. The yesterday, ISU takes Nebraska to OT. Weird.

One thing is for certain: there are a LOT of humble Ute fans this morning. No matter what your team does now, you're probably going to the same Las Vegas bowl you were disparaging last year. I would assume the Utes are still better than BYU this year, but don't get too comfortable about that game either.

yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Rock says, "Yet if the Utes don't mess up, they'll still play in the Las Vegas Bowl, home of the Mountain West champ." I wouldn't put money on that, Brad. All things considered, the Cougars didn't look a tenth as bad against the Frogs as did the Utes. As poorly as it would appear from the Y's won-loss record, overall they've played better teams than the U. As titillating and flashy as a move to the PAC-12 seemed, it now appears the row-to-hoe to get to a NC isn't going to be close to the cakewalk the team on the hill thought it would be. As BCS-ready as Thompson thought his MWC was just twelve months ago, after TCU finds a new home, it'll be nothing to turn your head to look with BSU versus the pygmies. As risky as the road to independence is purported to be, the more it looks like not a half-bad way to go.

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