Two points: 1. Proxy baptisms do not violate the moral agency of
those for whom they are done. In the spirit world they may accept or reject the
proxy ordinances.2. Making peace here on earth in the absence of
all the facts about who is right or wrong regarding the requirements for
salvation is a good thing.
This is good.Now- If only we could do the same with Islam,
buddahists, Hindis and the rest of Christianity.....
As the man in charge of the Jewish Anti-defamation League, Mr Foxman certainly
should understand what is offensive to the Jewish people. He succincly lays out
his case for no proxy baptisms for those involved in the Holocaust. I am glad
that the leaders of the LDS church hav put into place safeguards to keep from
offending the families of these individuals in the future. No matter our
beliefs, I believe we should honor the requests of the Jewish people in this
matter and let them worship "how, where or what they may".
I am so glad that our Jewish cousins recognize us in a similar light, regarding
the anti-Mormon sentiment in this so-called enlightened nation.Although we
have never come within a fraction of the types of collective trials the Jews
have faced, over the centuries, we have a lot of similarities. The irony
is, I believe Mitt's father, George, had been treated much more fairly, during
the 1964 presidential race, than during our so-called, more "tolerant" times of
today, when his son, Mitt, campaigned two years ago.In some ways, we are
regressing more towards a slight Dark Ages, in terms of acceptance in this
country.Mr. Foxman once commented that we need to consider our own
anti-defamation league. I believe that time has come. No one else will defend
us. And our Jewish friends certainly have their own hands full.
It's wonderful a resolution has been made. I hope all LDS will follow the
guidelines for baptism and not try to bypass the rules. We all want to be
honored for our beliefs.
The Anti-Defamation League speaks up for all.
I too am grateful that a resolution has been found to this problem. However,
what troubles me is that Mr. Foxman's justification of why he opposes the
practice also shows a complete lack of understanding of the practice. I
quote:1) Not only does it feel like an act of intolerance, but it
rejects Jewish beliefPosthumous baptisms DO NOT MAKE PEOPLE MORMON!
It simply offers them the choice. I personally see no difference between
Baptisms for the dead and when I was a missionary and knocked on people's doors
asking if I could share a message. Just as most people at the door said
"no", I wouldn't be surprised if the answer is the same on the other
side. It does not represent intolerance or make people reject their religion.2) posthumous baptizing of Holocaust victims insidiously legitimizes
Holocaust denial In 40 years, people checking on the Internet would not see
Holocaust victims, but baptized Mormons. How are people finding this
information? I don't know of a way to look on the internet to see everyone who's
been posthumously baptized. Couldn't that information very easily be made
private by the church?
I admit to not understanding.I feel the Church has caved in on this
matter because of continuous misinterpretations from many in the Jewish
community. My reasons are:1) "They would not have chosen to be
baptized in life."FACT: Mr.Foxman CANNOT KNOW if any of those
being baptized would have accepted - were they all asked in life? This violates
the LDS doctrine of Agency.2) "new computer systems and
policies ... prevent ... Holocaust victims from being included in LDS lists for
proxy baptisms." QUESTION: Does this mean that I could not put
in the name of one of *my* ancestors because someone else (not related) objects?
This violates the LDS concepts of family and patriarchal order.3)
"...rejects the Jewish belief..."FACT: Proxy baptism is a
unique LDS belief. Since no others believe it, stoping it for this reason means
stopping ALL proxy baptisms. 4) "...Holocaust victims were
born Jews, lived as Jews, and died because they were Jews." FACT: Millions of Holocaust victims were Jews, but NOT ALL. Sadly, many
commentators neglect to mention that other groups were also targeted ruthlessly.
The Holocaust was a Human tragedy, not a "Jewish" tragedy. Thus, LDS
saving ordinances should be available.