Hey Whit - You are writing about selective compassion. In other words if you
know them or can see them have compassion. To heck with all the others. What
about the 35% of the world who go to bed hungry every night? Show your
compassion by sending your Christmas money to some reputable refugee agencies in
say, Sudan. Or you can donate to the "Dos por Uno" scheme in the country to the
south. Come on show some non-discriminating compassion.
And next we'll get to hear about "compassionate conservatives."LOL!
Whitney, I am impressed. The Deseret News Letters editor published your little
sermon which contained 251 words. They seldom publish a letter with over 200
words. As for your concern with the family that was deported to
Argentina, it is sad in a way, but also just. First of all there is no more
persecution of LDS people in Argentina than there is in Peru, or even Texas for
that matter. It is just, because they agreed to comply with the requirements of
the visa for entering the United States. There are probably at least
5 BILLION people in the world that would love to come to the United States, but
in this case Whitney believes that these illegal aliens should stay because they
are good religious (LDS) people. The truth is they are not living
the principles of their religion: Commandment #9 Thou Shall Not bear false
witness (even on your visa application) Article of Faith #12 We believe in
honoring and sustaining the law (not just the ones we approve of) Article of
Faith #13 We believe in being honest, true......The U.S. needs to be
able to enforce its immigration laws.
To "LDS Liberal | 3:02 p.m. " you make me laugh.Lets look up the
definition of a modern liberal:From Merrium-Webster we find that a
liberal (noun) is "of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism".
That isn't helpful. Lets look up "liberalsim" in the same dictionary. That is
"such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for
amelioration of social inequities (as those involving race, gender, or class)"
Basically what that boils down to is that a Liberal is somebody who believes
that the government can force everything to be equal or else make up for the
past.According to "A dictionary of modern politics By David
Robertson" liberals are stuck between capitalism and Socialism/Marxism.Basically, nomatter what dictionary you go to, liberals believe that the
government will make everything ok. That is the common factor in the definition
of liberal or liberalism that you look up.I notice that
you cannot deny the fact that conservatives are more charitable than liberals.
Do_you_conceed_that_point_now?If you don't like me
having multiple screen names, why don't you sign up for more? I am "playing by
the rules". (1 name per email account.)
Pagan | 1:43 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010 Salt Lake City, UT RedShirt | 8:12
a.m. Nov. 5, 2010 RedShirt | 1:00 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010 Redshirt1701 |
1:06 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010 Redshirt, How many alias'
are you going to create to get around the rules of the DSNews exactly? ===============Another fallicy with ultra-Conservatives....They don't have to play by the same set rules as everyone else.....[RedShirt, that posting was for you, buddie!!!]And, until
you can read and understand the English DICTIONARY -- arguing over what a
Liberal IS and ISN'T is simply a moot point.It's like arguing if a
Mormon IS or ISN'T a Christian....buddie.
Knowing these people are heartless, why do politicians pay attention to them?
Just pandering for votes?
What does this have to do with "compassion"???They were
deported by the Federal Government! Not the people of Utah... or the commenters
here... or any Utah government official!What does what UTAH THINKS
have to do with it???Can we just overrule the Federal
Government's deportation_orders.... If we like this family? or if enough of us
think it's un_fair? Or if we just don't like the law?What do you
expect us to do?This is a very sad story, for the family
and for the whole community. But what can any Utahn do about it? What does any
commenter's compassion have to do with it?Does
recognising and acknowledging that it's the law... mean we don't have
compassion?IF the commenters had more
compassion... would the Federal Deportation Order be lifted? I don't think
so... so what's the point of harping on the people who acknowledge the law as
"lacking_compassion"???Some people are using this
familie's situation as a political_toy. Using it as fodder for a political
agenda. Acknowledging the law... does not automatically mean that
person lacks compassion.... they may just respect the law more than you do.
RedShirt | 8:12 a.m. Nov. 5, 2010 RedShirt | 1:00 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010 Redshirt1701 | 1:06 p.m. Nov. 5, 2010 Redshirt, How many alias' are you going to create to get around the rules of the DSNews
To "LDS Liberal | 11:21 a.m." My last post was for you buddie!! I hope you read
those articles this time, it will enlighten you quite a bit.I know
that you will do you best to read them with an open mind because liberals are so
openminded.If you need any help understanding them, I would be glad
to explain how liberals are just not as good as you think they are.
To Stop spreading the lie that liberals are more generous. They are only
generous with other people's money.Read the following articles:"Don't listen to the liberals - Right-wingers really are nicer people,
latest research shows" UK Daily Mail."Bleeding Heart Tightwads" in
the NY Times."Who Gives and who Doesn't" at ABC News."Who's More Charitable - Liberals or Conservatives?" at Science 2.0"Religious Faith and Charitable Giving" at the Hoover Institute at
Stanford."Those Mean-Spirited Liberals" at the American Thinker.If you read those you will find that they all, independantly
found:Liberals are more materialistic than conservativesLiberals celebrate angerLiberals are stingy with their moneyLiberals are less honest than conservatives.Conservatives
also rank better on political knowledgeSeems like
conservatives are more Christ-like than liberals.
@PaganYou seem to assume that if we do not want people to be helped
by a federal government program, it means that we do not want them to be
helped.You might want to consider that this country became the
greatest country in the world through individual liberty, personal
responsibility, free markets and limited government.Consider this:
assume your neighbor needed $1,000 and when you were preparing to give it to
him, someone came to you and said, "Stop! You can, instead, give $5,000 to the
IRS! It will go through the entire government bureaucracy where $4,000 will be
paid to all the the "paper-shufflers", politicians and bureaucrats (not to
mention the hefty cut to those who file fraudulent claims), and your neighbor
will get the $1,000 he needs. So, why give $1,000 to your neighbor when he can
get it through this wonderful government program?"You can debate
exactly what percentage the bureacracy actually takes, but common sense
certainly tells you that it is a considerable amount. Because I would rather
give the $1,000 than the $5,000, does that mean that I am not compassionate?
'It is disheartening and concerning to see the lack of compassion in people.' -
Article I wish you the best of luck. *
'Republicans kill Senate jobless aid measure' - By Andrew Taylor - AP -
Published by DSNews - 06/24/10Line:'The rejected bill would
have provided $16 billion in new aid to states, preserving the jobs of
thousands...* 'Senate Republicans again kill bill for jobless aid' -
By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/30/10Line:'Without an extension, 1.7 million of the 7 million people who have been
without a job for at least six months will have lost their unemployment benefits
by the end of this week, according to the Labor Department.'
It's time Whitney Wood of Provo woke up to "smell the real" coffee, being
concerned to see the lack of compassion in people about a family that was
deported. This is America, either do it right, or, go back too your own
"lawless country" and fly your kite there. Not here. Seeking to be an American
should not be a crime as long as it's done within our written law's of our
land's in America that "WE THE PEOPLE" own because we are our own Government.
Granting illegal's citizenship that broke our law's would not cure the ills we
accuse them of it would just make a loophole in the law that it's legal here to
break the law's If they were citizens and be given a free pass to be one, while
other's did it the right way. Lock down the border against this type of crime,
don't play the "head-trip" game of forgive them and hate the Crimes that are
illegal but love the person doing the crime hogwash. Getting kicked out of the
country is Equal liberty and Justice "for all". That's my view.
Whitney Wood - Provo UtahCompassion and unltra-Conservativism is an
oxymoron.To them, there is the law - and ONLY the law.Yet our
country was founded on a judical system of Justice AND Mercy
(compassion).Conservatives are "letter of the law" folks. So
Compassion is difficult to understand, let alone express and practice.FYI - Jesus was executed according to the law.
Compassion like the word liberal have been changed and demonized to fit into
vitriolic political agendas.And ... it works!Welcome back, 1950s!Next look for a modern version of House of UnAmerican activities.
I'm sorry but compassion does not equal no borders and no laws. There are
compassionate solutions that would serve us all, but any attempt to extend
compassion is attacked as being amnesty. I suggest that those who are so eager
to protect the country from people fleeing corrupt and impoverished nations to
get actually get to know some of these "criminals" that you are referring to. I
think that if you actually knew some of them, your heart would change. You
wouldn't be so angry and you may even my grow to love them.
to John CCI guess all of the nations of the world who have borders
and immigration laws are now guilty of "segregation" under your definition. If
you have a fence around your yard your are also a segregationist under your
enlightened thinking. We also have strict visa regulations to protect the people
of our nation and not to deny anyone "opportunity". Give me a break!
"Segregation and illegal immigration are not on the same page by any stretch of
the imagination."I'll stretch my imagination and say that making
immigration illegal is segregation by nation of origin. My neighbor was a
missionary who served in a Texas border town. He said he looked out over the
city at night where the bright lights and bustling activity stood in stark
contrast to the dismal darkness in the southern section of town, separated by
our border. "It's just not right," he remembers saying to himself. A fence
certainly is segregation."This family was breaking the law and
they received due process and were treated with respect by all accounts I have
read. No one denied them opportunity..."Our cruelly tight visa
regulations denied them both respect and opportunity. It's time to legalize
work without discrimination by nation of origin.
Compassion = no borders and no laws?
To "Whitney Wood" what you forget is that by returning to their country, it will
make it easier for them to be able to return.I don't know if you
read all of the comments from those articles, but the company that they were
working for here had hired an immigration lawyer and is in the process of
getting them a Visa.The family is honorable, and is doing what they
should.What you fail to realize is that if we ignore our laws, we
will cease to be a nation.
Christ talks of compassion, church leaders talk of compassion, and the people
don't live it. They say one thing, trying to say they follow, but their actions
show they really serve another master.
A tragic story for sure. How different the ending would be if they simply had
chosen to obey the law. I hope they come back when they can come the right way
and then they won't have to look over their shoulder all the time. Sorry Whitney
but comparing illegal immigration with the civil rights movement is a very
flawed argument. Martin Luther King and Ceasar Chavez as well advocated legal,
non violent means of changing society. Chavez was totally opposed to illegal
immigration. Segregation and illegal immigration are not on the same page by any
stretch of the imagination. This family was breaking the law and they
received due process and were treated with respect by all accounts I have read.
No one denied them opportunity, they chose to ignore the law, they now have the
opportunity to live in their own country and apply to come back legally in the
future. They aren't being executed, millions of people live happy and prosperous
lives in Argentina.
Unfortunately, having compassion today equates to some "Kumbaya" insults from
extremists.It is this nasty style and vitriolic way that gives these poor
Whitney you write a very good article.