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Published: Wednesday, Nov. 3 2010 9:56 p.m. MDT

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Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Let's get real, the Democratic Party is a dead party in this state. How many D's will be left in the legislature? A small handful. Matheson, who most would view as a moderate if not conservative (in about every state but Utah) barely won his election. Corroon, also moderate and fiscal conservative, got blown away in his election. Hyer, also a conservative in about every state but Utah, and a very educated and extremely nice woman, didn't even get 30% of the vote. Yes, there was a national sweep of Republican momentum but in Utah there is more going on. Bottom line, when one party gets complete control of the state, which is very close to happening in Utah, this leads to problems and corruption. And when reasonable people with good ethics and leadership don't stand a chance because they are of the minority problem, that is also a concern.

William A
Cottonwood Heights, UT

*** "'It's stupid and it's dangerous,' Pignanelli said of such inter-party squabbling." ***

Exhibit A of how even when Frank Pignanelli is right, he's wrong. I disagreed with the reasons that left-wing Dems forced Matheson into a primary (not that there's anything wrong with the people having a say) but "stupid and dangerous"? Dangerous how, exactly? Pignanelli can't even be civil to the voters in his own party.

As for Utah's being a one-party state, I would suggest that instead of Dems blaming the voters they start giving those voters some reason to vote for them by moving towards the beliefs Utahns hold.

PK Highsmith
Salt Lake City, UT

I don't think anyone thought that the sitting Mayor of Salt Lake County would be beaten there, and lose 2-1 overall. That's one of the most unexpected, lopsided victories in state history.

GWB
West Jordan, UT

Mark my words, Matheson will be gone in 2 years due to gerrymandering.

The R's in the state legeslature are already working on the plan. They will increase the amount of rural land in his district by taking away parts of southern and central Utah from Chaffetz's district and give Chaffetz a portion of Huntsman's urban area in Salt Lake County.

They will carefully meaure how much of Salt Lake County to give to Chaffetz so that it doesn't give him too many of the democrats in the district.

They will also take part of the Avenues and capital hill area and give it to Bishop's district too.

They know exactly where the Democratic votes come from in Salt Lake and Park City and they will carefully split these votes so that Huntsman has no chance of winning.

The problem with this plan arises if Utah has had enough population growth to get a 4th Representative out of the 2010 Census, that is if the Tea party people of Utah didn't listen to Rep. Michell Bachmann and refuse to send in their census forms.

Mc
West Jordan, UT

"I don't think anyone thought that the sitting Mayor of Salt Lake County would be beaten there, and lose 2-1 overall."

Imagine if the former mayor, Rocky, would have tried running for governor. You would have seen a much more lopsided result!

williary
Kearns, UT

Here's what you need to know about the Republican party:

For the past 2 years all we've heard is how bad it is for one party to control everything. They cried like little girls and decided to pout in the corner and vote NO on everything, even ideas and pieces of legislation created by Republicans.

Now, after gaining control of the House, according to Mitch McConnell, the only function Republicans in Congress have for the next two years is to make sure President Obama is not re-elected. Their goal.......take control of all 3 branches. The very thing they've whined about for the past 2 years.

This is the "governing" you can expect from Republicans. We'll participate as long as everything is our way. What a scary trend this party is taking. Clinton and the Republicans worked together, and were able to create the rosy picture Bush took over. Then the Republicans, having complete control, flushed that down the toilet.

Mc
West Jordan, UT

Whoops, Rocky was SL City mayor, not county, but my previous comment still pertains.

Corroon was popular as county mayor, but he may have blown that popularity by his campaign for governor. We sure got to know him better and that may result in losing his next campaign for mayor or anything else.

rebagli
Saint George, UT

I'm a Tea Partier, but I see the need for a two party system in the State. The Dems need to get more in touch with the voters and convince us that they need to be elected with more than attacking their opponents records. Morgan Philpot lost because he NEVER stated his platform and ran, by far, way more negative ads than Matheson. I don't know what negative ads Philpot was talking about, because we didn't see or hear them in Washington County. Philpot lost because he HAD NO PLATFORM.

Elcapitan
Ivins, UT

As long as the Demos continue to field candidates like Barak Obama, the great Socialist Idealogue who wants to fundamentally change our Republic. That proven, voters now reject them in great numbers. If indeed, a candidate claims to be independent, then he or she should declare it politically and not hang their hats on the Democrat monicur. Matheson disolves his effectivness by watering down his chance to serve well by watering down his effectivness with liberal associations. He is a Demo secret weopen...a fence straddler, who is always there to rescue them in case of need.
















yarrlydarb
Ogden, UT

Now that the Republicans have taken over the House, there will be many who believe that "All good things will come to pass, and governing the people will become easy and pleasurable." But here's a truer statement, "If we amplify everything, we hear nothing."

The new first-term Republicans, about to enter office had better facilitate needed changes faster than they've so eagerly and energetically accused President Obama of doing, else two years hence the people will be voting them out of office.

Nothing is easier than being a critic; it requires not a smidgen of reasoning or intelligence. But truly governing effectively takes reason, intelligence, cooperation, negotiation, and working together. This new crop of legislators in the House will soon find that bulldozing and bullying and shouting and accusing will never get the job done. Historically, every where oppression has existed for a time, it has eventually fallen. When dictators rule, the people mourn.

In Howard Beal's way of thinking, where everyone gets on the bandwagon and one party rules and the other is becomes nonexistent, as he claims is the case in Utah, it is not democracy, it's dictatorship.

Cats
Provo, UT

The Dems have no one to blame but themselves for their losses. They have made it just about impossible for most Utahns to support them. Their national party has a lot to do with this, but they go along with it.

One party rule is dangerous. But, don't blame the voters. If you want to get elected, get in step with the people.

1Observer
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Corroon said, "What it made me realize at the end is we needed to meet with people to convince them of our policies and convince them to vote for us,"

Actually, we got a pretty good picture of who he really is. He demonstrated an uncanny ability for pettiness. He showed almost no vision on important issues or policies. He excelled at the politics of personal destruction. He gave voters all kinds of convinving reasons to vote against him. (Can't wait for 2012 to do it again.)

Unfortunately for the Mayor, we all got a compelling picture of who he really is and how he operates. And who should be surprised. His running mate, Sheryl Allen, and her minions have been behind all of the phony scandals leveled in the Legislature these past several election cycles. I guess when your ideals and character are so deficient all you can do is tear other people down. Thank goodness the voters repudiated such behavior.

Pilot
Draper, UT

With exception of politcal contests where one of the candidates received 70% or more of the vote, any challenger has a base of 30%. That is there will be 30% of the public that will support a given candidate. Putting that into perspective, Peter Corroon spent $2 million dollars go get an additional 1.8% (his total was 31.8%). By contrast, Morgan Philpot with a fraction of the money spent by Corroon gained 17% (his total being 47%). Similar to the treatment of Obama by the press, Peter Corroon enjoyed a "hands off" status because he opposed the soccer stadium. Fortunately, the campaign introduced the real Peter Corroon. If the press had followed Corroon's depletion of the County's reserve accounts he inherited they would have been able to tell the story of a guy who "cut so much" that he had to raise taxes. In truth, Corroon is a government program type of guy who views governments role as distributing resources fairly as opposed to assuring that all parties have opportunity.

FairEnough
Draper, UT

Democrats are generally weak-sauce corporatists, and so now we have the family values icon John Boehner as Speaker of the House. I can just feel the thread from which the Constitution hangs thickening as I write.

The Republican Party is all about empowering large international corporations politically and economically, providing even more advantages to the uber-wealthy, and empowering the government to take away the privacy rights and moral liberties of minorities--especially women. If you don't believe as they do, you don't deserve any rights.

Libertarians have the right idea, but they are too often inflexible, paranoid ideologues who are too impractical and unyielding to ever be in a position to really govern in the real world. At least we have John Boehner at the helm. I feel safer already.

Shawnm750
Lehi, UT

Corroon didn't raise "taxes" he just imposed a lot of new fees. And as we all know fees are not taxes...right?

The only reason Corroon was elected in the first place is because Nancy Workman got ousted and Ellis Ivory had almost no time to even get on the ballot as a republican. The reason Workman was ousted was because of a supposed "scandal" so the Dems and Corroon used that to their advantage. It's no wonder he tried to use the same tactic to go after the governor's seat. I predict he'll be gone as county mayor soon too.

Owl
Salt Lake City, UT

Matheson is a demonstrated fiscal conservative. Mr. Corroon's handling of the SL County budget shows that he is a tax and spend mayor who cannot balance a budget.

Cats
Provo, UT

Anyone who claims that Republicans stand for the "uber wealthy" and "big corporations" clearly doesn't understand conservative Republican principles. Of course, someone may choose to be deliberately ignorant instead of facing the truth.

williary
Kearns, UT

re: Cats

Conservative Republican principles aside, this election quite clearly showed that the Republican party is bought and paid for by Wall Street and Corporate America.

Top 2 outside groups spending money on each parties candidates this year:

Republican Party: American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS. Both created after the Supreme Court ruling doing away with limits on corporate donations. Combined spent $38,000,000 on Republican candidates nationwide. Largest donors to each are Hedge Fund managers, and a small circle of wealthy, unidentified, corporate donors.

Democratic Party: AFSCME and SEIU. Both labor unions that support everyday Americans, not corporate dollars or Wall Street. Combined spent $21,000,000 on Democratic candidates nationwide.

The "principles" may not claim to stand for the wealthy and corporations, but the pocket book of Republicans sure says something different.

Mike in Sandy
Sandy, UT

Utahns did themselves no great service electing the incumbent. He ran a day care center.
Peter Corroon has 3 degrees, and is a savvy, worldly businessman.
Oh well...Utah seems to forever try to legislate morality, and frowns upon letting adults think for themselves, so the perfect analogy is that the State of Utah is one giant day care center, perfect for Herbert.
But still and yet it would be nice to have a governor who is smarter than his pets.

Ravenal
Kearns, UT

"Holland said many voters outside the Wasatch Front never really got to know Corroon."

Good thing for Corroon, otherwise the margin would have been wider.

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