Dick Harmon: More at stake this week than deciding MWC title


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  • SoCalUtesFan San Diego, CA
    Nov. 3, 2010 12:27 p.m.

    ...Lets not forget that a big reason why these rankings now exist is BYU's 1984 national championship. I am not trying to hate here just pointing out a fact!...

    You're not hating. You're just in love so much with that 1984 BYU team that you are still living in 1984.

    Take a deep breath.
    Extend your arms out slowly.
    Nice and easy does it.
    Now, watch it goes off.
    One second, two second, there second.
    Welcome to 2010.
    Embrace the new era that we call present.

    Now, go and catch up on the latest in college football world; then come back and post some thing else interesting other than 1984 BYU.

  • TDS Fan Cougarville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 8:11 p.m.

    I can't help wonder if it's driving Harmon crazy to write this article about the mighty Utes.

    Either that or it's got to feel really good to write something meaningful about local college football given the tds has "check out" of their reloading . . . and are now excited about "baby steps."

  • FlyingUte Murray, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 6:58 p.m.

    The BCS has already set-up the NC game. It will be Oregon vs Alabama/Auburn. Oregon will be undefeated & a one loss bama would be more deserving according to the biased bcs. Utah will go to the Rose Bowl and beat up on Ohio State. Yes Utah lays TCU out and jumps BSU with their win against the number 3 bcs team. Only way to change the bcs right now is to get the Shurtleff lawsuit going in the press and Orrin Hatch talkin some bcs smack. No doubt UTES beat TCU. GO UTES!!!

  • afro14 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 6:39 p.m.

    I'm thinking that Utah will take this one because of third reasons.

    1) Home field advantage, lots of noise from the crowd to harrass TCU's offense.

    2) They're going to put all sorts of pressure on Dalton, something that no team has been able to do this year against TCU

    3) They're hungry for revenge after last year.

    That said, Utah will take this one in a close game, just as they have the past years at RES.

    GO UTES!!!

  • Matthew Clovis, CA
    Nov. 2, 2010 5:41 p.m.

    Big Ute fan and former MUSS member here. After reading all the national talk I could find, I've concluded that the Utes have no chance at being in the nc game. In fact, I don't think voters will put them past bs unless they really cream TCU.

    Could that happen? Not likely. The frogs have looked dazzled in big games, but they're more than likely used to it by now. If TCU wins big they have a shot at the NC and bsu gets a BCS bowl. If they slip by, they'll get a BCS bowl anyhow. Bsu might too.

    If the Utes pull one out, bsu gets a BCS bowl, and Utah gets Texas A&M in vegas. They gotta win big to even be sure of getting a BCS bowl berth, let alone a shot at the NC.

    The hope they can win and avoid vegas is real. Let's leave NC dreams to Dick Harmon and his BYU beloveds.

  • TheSpiker Alpine, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 4:58 p.m.

    Amazing. Even on an article about the U vs. TCU, half of the comments by "U fan" bring up BYU.

    Weird, huh?

    Wishing your team success against TCU.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 2, 2010 4:41 p.m.

    All the Coogies still bringing up 1984 and now 1979! Funny!

    I think Oregon is the best team in the country right now and will not lose, or even come close, to anyone (like the U in 2004). I think the winner of Auburn/Alabama will will out and play Oregon for the NC. I have no problem with that and I think that is what will happen and they will both deserve to be there. Now if the facts change, I won't mind!!

    Now, the winner of the Utah/TCU game will stay ahead of BSu and will get a BCS game. That being said, the only question is whether or not the BCS will do the right thing and give BSu a BCS game. It looks like everyone is making sure that BSu will not be in line to get an automatic invite. Even yesterday on College Gameday Live, BSu was not in their projected BCS lineup. If Utah beats TCU, their affiliation with the PAC 12 next year will help in the voting.

    Just my two cents!!

    Go Utes! Destiny awaits! Beat the toads!!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 4:19 p.m.

    Truth Machine said

    "The BCS wasn't started until 1998, FOURTEEN years AFTER BYU won its first national championship."

    You make it sound like there has been more than one!

    Silly cougs.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 2, 2010 3:49 p.m.

    The chances of TCU being invited to the Big 12 are slim to none. The Big East just announced plans to expand to 10 teams in football and could invite the Frogs before the end of the year.

    The chances of Boise State being invited to the Big 12 are ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NEVER going to happen!

    If the Big 12 does decide to expand back to 12 teams, BYU is the odds on favorite.

    btw, Dutchman, there's no such thing as a "mid-major" independent; the term only applies to conferences.

    A true playoff is the only way of deciding a true champion. Unfortunately, many Utah fans are already buying into the BCS propaganda.

  • minerman Pomona, CA
    Nov. 2, 2010 3:23 p.m.

    One correction...if the Utes win out this season, it will be the 3rd (not the 2nd) time Utah was the best team in the country. I loved that 2008 team, but that 2004 team was at least as good, if not better. They just didn't get to play Alabama and show it. But, I will say that if two of three teams lose (Oregon, Auburn or Alabama) and the Utes win out, they're in the NC game. That would put the Utes at #2 (or #1) and the BCS is contractually bound to take the #1 and #2 teams. They don't have a choice. Only way to keep them out is for Boise to stay in front of them.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Nov. 2, 2010 3:18 p.m.

    scenic view: I agree whole-heartedly with you. As I recall, TDS was skipped over 2 or 3 weeks in a row by the #3 team when #1 lost. When they finally ranked them #1 was when no one else was even slightly deserving. Switzer at Oklahoma agrued, after the orange bowl loss to Washington that Wash. deservrd it but, if Washington had won their conference, they would have been in the rose, not orange bowl. Therefore, the #2 ranked teamed didn't win their conference which, in my opinion, should have disqualified them for the NC. under that system, TDS deserved the title. I just have my doubts that they were the best team. I just think it's funny that the same fans that claim they were also claim Utah is overrated because of their shedule. TDS' schedule in'84 wasn't the same as '83. their scedule was no better than Utah's this year and that includes the 6-5 Michigan team in the holiday bowl.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 3:08 p.m.

    This whole BCS mess about schedules and who plays who can be solved in a small way by forcing the BIG 12 conference to stop hanging with 10 teams and add Boise State and TCU. The top three non BCS schools Utah, Boise State and TCU would all then play in BCS conferences. No more mid majors mucking things up unless of course an independent like Notre Dame or BYU comes along. Utah is on its way to the PAC 12. Get Boise State and TCU in the Big 12 and then we will have better discussions in terms of the BCS rankings.

  • redandwhite Park City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    I think TCU is all the Utes can handle and would be ecstatic if they could pull off this win. Two very good teams will take the field Saturday at res. Have much respect for both! One more step for Utah to earn nations respect if they can win. Can't for Saturday GO UTES!!

  • tcom2011 Fort Worth, TX
    Nov. 2, 2010 2:37 p.m.

    AS a cougar fan that lives in Texas these posts always crack me up. The Pac 10 did not make a decision based upon one season as eluded too by hedgie and others. Hedgehog is shameful to all, even the team he supports because his comments are so ridiculous. Whether BYU or U o U is better in all sports or whatever has nothing to do with this article. So just drop it, obviously one school has a much larger following, meaning money, so that shows us that the Pac 10 does not just care about money but are looking for other things as well.

    Good luck to the UTES, if, if they beat TCU, then they deserve to go to the NC and I would be a full supporter, if TCU wins then they should go to the NC. Lets all hope the BCS doesn't pull their same old crap! That said, who cares about whether BYU or U of U is better, this year obviously U of U. But, maybe there is still a dream and a belief that he cougs can pull of a huge upset!

  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Nov. 2, 2010 1:58 p.m.

    Why are we still talking about 1984? Give it a rest. BYU won the National Title. End of story....

    TCU will march in to Utah and walk away with a 20 point victory. Won't be much of a game. TCU's talent is far superior to Utah's talent.

    BYU supporters, it would be better to remain silent this year and be thought a fool, then open your mouths and remove all doubt. Your team is terrible at best.

  • johnny pigskin Sandy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 1:55 p.m.

    NC UTES 2010

    I am proud of you! You are a true Utah Man! I hope you are correct! Plus your posts make the coug's so mad! Keep up the KARMA!

    UTAH BY 5!!!!

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Nov. 2, 2010 1:39 p.m.


    What you fail to understand in your diatribe, is that until we have a legitimate playoff system, the national championship is decided by a body of work, not by a single game, no matter who the opponent or where the game is played.

    BYU's 1984 National Championship was won, not by beating Michigan in the Holiday Bowl, but by a body of work that extended back to 1979 and was enhanced by a 24-game winning streak beginning in 1983 that included road wins against two Top 15 teams, UCLA and Air Force, and culminated in an undefeated season in 1984.

    BYU was no fly-by-night outfit that appeared out of nowhere in ESPN's first nationally college football game. BYU finished 1983 #7 in both polls and on an 11-game winning streak.

    THAT's what gave BYU the momentum that carried the Cougars to #1 in 1984 and helped them stay there despite the firestorm of controvery that raged across the country for more than a month before the voters finally decided that BYU was still the most deserving team to be voted National Champions for 1984.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 1:14 p.m.

    bcs poll is flawed. After this Saturday game the winner will get #2 for one week. AFter that, drop to #3 again. Their bcs software for voting is flawed and will continue. No matter what happend, the non qualifier will get pushed on the side - AGAIN. Yes Utah should have won NC when they beat Bama when they were ranked #1 for several weeks and Florida took the nc with one loss to OLE MISS at early season.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 1:10 p.m.

    The best thing to happen for those who want to see a playoff system implemented is a ocmbination of two things:

    1)for Utah to get up to number 2 in the ap poll and then not play in the championship; while at the same time

    2) Utah make it to another BCS bowl (ROSE BOWL, probably) and destroy whoever they play

    Utes would possibly come away with the number 1 AP ranking and then the entire reason the BCS was created (to avoid split champions) would be shattered, the BCS would have egg on their face as it is the Utes, for the second time in 3 year, who would have been national champions if they were only given the invite.

    It would be the SECOND time the Utes have the best team in the nation and denied the national champion title!

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    Those who believe that Utah, TCU, or Boise State will play for the NC as it is set up to earn as much money as possible, will be sadly disappointed because Santa Claus doesn't come and shower good little boys and girls with Christmas toys.

    The BCS is a joke; albeit a very bad one.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Nov. 2, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    SammyG: "AND if my prediction is wrong I still say that it won't make any difference if the Utes run the gauntlet."

    The way that BSu is falling, it wouldn't surprise me to see Utah jump them. If that happens, the BCS HAS to take Utah regardless of their biases. The talking heads on College Gameday Live on ESPN yesterday had TCU in a BCS game and BSu out. If Utah wins this weekend, they should supplant TCU as the non-AQ school to automatically qualify for a BCS bowl. The fact that Utah will be a PAC 12 school next year will be a consideration in many voters minds.

    Go Utes!! Destiny is in your hands! On to victory #9 against the toads!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 2, 2010 11:18 a.m.

    Truth Machine,

    BYU’s *NC would be the equivalent of having the Utes going undefeated and winning a meaningless bowl game against Toledo. ( although Utah would have beaten better teams — I think you get the point)

    If Utah is lucky enough to get into a NC game this year — they most likely would be pitted against the likes of Alabama, Oregon, Nebraska — (I think you get the point.)

  • fender Washington, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    Why is this a surprise to anybody? If you want to predict an outcome, basic business rule is to follow the money. A non-BCS school will not play for the championship.

  • tru blue spanish fork, utah
    Nov. 2, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    Hi Im an avid Byu Fan,but I hope Utah can win on Sat against TCU. Good Luck Utes. See all Byu fans don't hate Utah.

  • Alterego Ogden, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    I believed that the hornfrogs would win the MWC this year and I haven't changed my mind. When the Cougars and Utes play on the 27th, Utah will be coming in with at least the TCU loss. The uTe's offense and Wynn arn't good enough to outscore the hornfrogs.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    "Lets not forget that a big reason why these rankings now exist is BYU's 1984 national championship. I am not trying to hate here just pointing out a fact!"

    Hating is exactly what you're doing. This is a tired, old argument that has no validity.

    The AP National Champion (the oldest of the polls) will be determined in EXACTLY the same way this year as it was in 1984.

    The BCS wasn't started until 1998, FOURTEEN years AFTER BYU won its first national championship.

    The only connection to BYU is an effort to allow the best two teams to be paired in a bowl, regardless of their conference's bowl tie-in.

    That wasn't possible in 1984. But, it was also a concern in several seasons after 1984 that finally led to the bowl alliance, bowl coalition, and finally the BCS.

    The fundamental flaw of the BCS wasn't the stated goal of matching the two best teams, but the arrogance of the BCS gurus who rigged the system to ensure that the "best two teams" would always come from the "best" conferences.

    btw, the "final" coaches poll used to be taken BEFORE the bowls.

  • Utahutefan62 West Valley city, Utah
    Nov. 2, 2010 10:08 a.m.

    Lets not forget that a big reason why these rankings now exist is BYU's 1984 national championship. I am not trying to hate here just pointing out a fact!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 10:04 a.m.

    Fox guarding the chicken coop.

    That's what it all boils down to with the BCS "guarding" the BCS championship game from unwelcome guests.

    As much as some fans like to pretend that the BCS produces a "legitimate" national champion, the reality is the BCS is simply a sham whose sole purpose is to keep the money in the good ol' boys club.

    It won't matter whether BSU and TCU/Utah finish undefeated, the BCS championship game is rigged to pair two teams from one of these four conferences: SEC/BigTen/Big12/PAC10.

    No matter what happens on Saturday, TCU, UoU, and BSU have no chance of playing in the BCS championship game.

    Even if one or two of those teams climbs their way into the Top 2 next week, magically, a couple of one-loss SEC/BigTen/Big12/PAC10 teams will muscle their way to the top by the end of November.

    No matter what TCU, UoU, BSU do the rest of the season, their BCS championship hopes will sink; it's a "mathematical" certainty.

  • Tequila Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 9:31 a.m.

    The whole system can be upset if Auburn's quarterback goes down and if Oregon lives up to their MO which is that they usually loose to an underdog team such as Oregon State. I know from having seen 5 games a weekend that Oregon is the best team in the Nation. I also know that If TCU or Utah and Boise State win out none of them will be in the National Championship game. The only way to get the true NC is with an entirely possible 16 team playoff. That will only happen by court order. We need some schools to band together, step up and get it going.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    Harmon says: "What all this means is the BCS system is an interesting exercise in guessing."

    No, Dick, you're wrong. There's no guessing at all. The BCS poll is indeed statistical, not a guess, having hardly a thing to do with football records, game stats or anything logical. The only statistics that are used today, and always have been, are $$$. That is, count the money each school can potentially attract to a bowl game. The ones with the highest dollar potential appear in the big bowls, period, end of sentence, end of debate.

  • Oklahoma Ute Oklahoma City, OK
    Nov. 2, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    Nice article, thanks.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Nov. 2, 2010 8:40 a.m.

    I would agree with a previous post. Harmon appears to have humble pie on his face. Just a few months ago he was stumping (embarrassingly I might add) about how BYU was more deserving of a PAC12 bid. Fast-forward to today and the Utes sit at #5 in the Nation and the kewgs have the 118 ranked offenses and a beat down lose to Utah State.

    I think the Pac did their homework.

  • a bit of reality Shawnee Mission, KS
    Nov. 2, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    The human and computer analysis that goes into these rankings are ways to estimate which teams are the "best." While some rankings might be better than others, that really isn't the point of football.

    On any given Saturday, the underdog can beat a team that really is better. Being the champion should be about winning games, not by being voted "the best".

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 4:01 a.m.

    I noticed that Harmon left out KPMG from his list of auditors, just like he tries to leave out respect for Utah (With a number 5 rating in the bcs, he can no longer disrespect the utes. It sure makes his rant about how BYU wasnt invited to the PAC 10 seem pretty silly now. Sorry Dick, Utah really does have a better and deeper sports history than BYU. (Remember, Utah still owns the football series by a decent margin)).

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 12:38 a.m.

    "And what about these rankings? Are they legitimate?"

    They are as relevant and fair as the entity that administers the program. Remember TCU vs. BSU 2009!

    Lots of good points in this article but after this weekend it won't make any difference. AND if my prediction is wrong I still say that it won't make any difference if the Utes run the gauntlet.

    The good ol' boys BCS club will choose another team.

    Ute fans can thank the MWC and bid them farewell in one breath for this mess.

  • NC UTES 2010 Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 1, 2010 11:48 p.m.

    I've said it since week 1(with both utes and cougars laughling all along the way) and I'll say it again.

    Utah WILL WIN the 2010 national championship.

    More and more on jumping on my bandwagon each week.

    Who's laughing now? I think Auburn and Oregon will each lose 1 before the season is over and I think even Alabama will possibly drop one more.

    You can MARK IT DOWN. The 2010 national champ is the University of Utah.