@Utahutefan62...Lets not forget that a big reason why these rankings now
exist is BYU's 1984 national championship. I am not trying to hate here just
pointing out a fact!...You're not hating. You're just in love so
much with that 1984 BYU team that you are still living in 1984.Take
a deep breath. Extend your arms out slowly.Nice and easy does it.Now, watch it goes off.One second, two second, there second.Welcome to 2010.Embrace the new era that we call present.Now, go and catch up on the latest in college football world; then come back
and post some thing else interesting other than 1984 BYU.
I can't help wonder if it's driving Harmon crazy to write this article about the
mighty Utes. Either that or it's got to feel really good to write
something meaningful about local college football given the tds has "check out"
of their reloading . . . and are now excited about "baby steps."
The BCS has already set-up the NC game. It will be Oregon vs Alabama/Auburn.
Oregon will be undefeated & a one loss bama would be more deserving according to
the biased bcs. Utah will go to the Rose Bowl and beat up on Ohio State. Yes
Utah lays TCU out and jumps BSU with their win against the number 3 bcs team.
Only way to change the bcs right now is to get the Shurtleff lawsuit going in
the press and Orrin Hatch talkin some bcs smack. No doubt UTES beat TCU. GO
I'm thinking that Utah will take this one because of third reasons.1) Home field advantage, lots of noise from the crowd to harrass TCU's
offense.2) They're going to put all sorts of pressure on Dalton,
something that no team has been able to do this year against TCU3)
They're hungry for revenge after last year.That said, Utah
will take this one in a close game, just as they have the past years at RES.GO UTES!!!
Big Ute fan and former MUSS member here. After reading all the national talk I
could find, I've concluded that the Utes have no chance at being in the nc game.
In fact, I don't think voters will put them past bs unless they really cream
TCU.Could that happen? Not likely. The frogs have looked dazzled in
big games, but they're more than likely used to it by now. If TCU wins big they
have a shot at the NC and bsu gets a BCS bowl. If they slip by, they'll get a
BCS bowl anyhow. Bsu might too.If the Utes pull one out, bsu gets a
BCS bowl, and Utah gets Texas A&M in vegas. They gotta win big to even be sure
of getting a BCS bowl berth, let alone a shot at the NC.The hope
they can win and avoid vegas is real. Let's leave NC dreams to Dick Harmon and
his BYU beloveds.
Amazing. Even on an article about the U vs. TCU, half of the comments by "U
fan" bring up BYU.Weird, huh?Wishing your team success
All the Coogies still bringing up 1984 and now 1979! Funny!I think
Oregon is the best team in the country right now and will not lose, or even come
close, to anyone (like the U in 2004). I think the winner of Auburn/Alabama will
will out and play Oregon for the NC. I have no problem with that and I think
that is what will happen and they will both deserve to be there. Now if the
facts change, I won't mind!!Now, the winner of the Utah/TCU game
will stay ahead of BSu and will get a BCS game. That being said, the only
question is whether or not the BCS will do the right thing and give BSu a BCS
game. It looks like everyone is making sure that BSu will not be in line to get
an automatic invite. Even yesterday on College Gameday Live, BSu was not in
their projected BCS lineup. If Utah beats TCU, their affiliation with the PAC 12
next year will help in the voting.Just my two cents!!Go
Utes! Destiny awaits! Beat the toads!!
Truth Machine said"The BCS wasn't started until 1998, FOURTEEN years
AFTER BYU won its first national championship."You make it sound
like there has been more than one!Silly cougs.
The chances of TCU being invited to the Big 12 are slim to none. The Big East
just announced plans to expand to 10 teams in football and could invite the
Frogs before the end of the year.The chances of Boise State being
invited to the Big 12 are ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, NEVER going to happen!If the Big 12 does decide to expand back to 12 teams, BYU is the odds on
favorite.btw, Dutchman, there's no such thing as a "mid-major"
independent; the term only applies to conferences.A true playoff is
the only way of deciding a true champion. Unfortunately, many Utah fans are
already buying into the BCS propaganda.
One correction...if the Utes win out this season, it will be the 3rd (not the
2nd) time Utah was the best team in the country. I loved that 2008 team, but
that 2004 team was at least as good, if not better. They just didn't get to play
Alabama and show it. But, I will say that if two of three teams lose (Oregon,
Auburn or Alabama) and the Utes win out, they're in the NC game. That would put
the Utes at #2 (or #1) and the BCS is contractually bound to take the #1 and #2
teams. They don't have a choice. Only way to keep them out is for Boise to stay
in front of them.
scenic view: I agree whole-heartedly with you. As I recall, TDS was skipped over
2 or 3 weeks in a row by the #3 team when #1 lost. When they finally ranked them
#1 was when no one else was even slightly deserving. Switzer at Oklahoma agrued,
after the orange bowl loss to Washington that Wash. deservrd it but, if
Washington had won their conference, they would have been in the rose, not
orange bowl. Therefore, the #2 ranked teamed didn't win their conference which,
in my opinion, should have disqualified them for the NC. under that system, TDS
deserved the title. I just have my doubts that they were the best team. I just
think it's funny that the same fans that claim they were also claim Utah is
overrated because of their shedule. TDS' schedule in'84 wasn't the same as '83.
their scedule was no better than Utah's this year and that includes the 6-5
Michigan team in the holiday bowl.
This whole BCS mess about schedules and who plays who can be solved in a small
way by forcing the BIG 12 conference to stop hanging with 10 teams and add Boise
State and TCU. The top three non BCS schools Utah, Boise State and TCU would
all then play in BCS conferences. No more mid majors mucking things up unless
of course an independent like Notre Dame or BYU comes along. Utah is on its way
to the PAC 12. Get Boise State and TCU in the Big 12 and then we will have
better discussions in terms of the BCS rankings.
I think TCU is all the Utes can handle and would be ecstatic if they could pull
off this win. Two very good teams will take the field Saturday at res. Have much
respect for both! One more step for Utah to earn nations respect if they can
win. Can't for Saturday GO UTES!!
AS a cougar fan that lives in Texas these posts always crack me up. The Pac 10
did not make a decision based upon one season as eluded too by hedgie and
others. Hedgehog is shameful to all, even the team he supports because his
comments are so ridiculous. Whether BYU or U o U is better in all sports or
whatever has nothing to do with this article. So just drop it, obviously one
school has a much larger following, meaning money, so that shows us that the Pac
10 does not just care about money but are looking for other things as well.Good luck to the UTES, if, if they beat TCU, then they deserve to go to
the NC and I would be a full supporter, if TCU wins then they should go to the
NC. Lets all hope the BCS doesn't pull their same old crap! That said, who
cares about whether BYU or U of U is better, this year obviously U of U. But,
maybe there is still a dream and a belief that he cougs can pull of a huge
Why are we still talking about 1984? Give it a rest. BYU won the National
Title. End of story.... TCU will march in to Utah and walk away
with a 20 point victory. Won't be much of a game. TCU's talent is far superior
to Utah's talent.BYU supporters, it would be better to remain silent
this year and be thought a fool, then open your mouths and remove all doubt.
Your team is terrible at best.
NC UTES 2010I am proud of you! You are a true Utah Man! I hope you
are correct! Plus your posts make the coug's so mad! Keep up the KARMA!UTAH BY 5!!!!
hedgehogWhat you fail to understand in your diatribe, is that until
we have a legitimate playoff system, the national championship is decided by a
body of work, not by a single game, no matter who the opponent or where the game
is played.BYU's 1984 National Championship was won, not by beating
Michigan in the Holiday Bowl, but by a body of work that extended back to 1979
and was enhanced by a 24-game winning streak beginning in 1983 that included
road wins against two Top 15 teams, UCLA and Air Force, and culminated in an
undefeated season in 1984.BYU was no fly-by-night outfit that
appeared out of nowhere in ESPN's first nationally college football game. BYU
finished 1983 #7 in both polls and on an 11-game winning streak.THAT's what gave BYU the momentum that carried the Cougars to #1 in 1984 and
helped them stay there despite the firestorm of controvery that raged across the
country for more than a month before the voters finally decided that BYU was
still the most deserving team to be voted National Champions for 1984.
bcs poll is flawed. After this Saturday game the winner will get #2 for one
week. AFter that, drop to #3 again. Their bcs software for voting is flawed and
will continue. No matter what happend, the non qualifier will get pushed on the
side - AGAIN. Yes Utah should have won NC when they beat Bama when they were
ranked #1 for several weeks and Florida took the nc with one loss to OLE MISS at
The best thing to happen for those who want to see a playoff system implemented
is a ocmbination of two things:1)for Utah to get up to number 2 in
the ap poll and then not play in the championship; while at the same time2) Utah make it to another BCS bowl (ROSE BOWL, probably) and destroy
whoever they playUtes would possibly come away with the number 1 AP
ranking and then the entire reason the BCS was created (to avoid split
champions) would be shattered, the BCS would have egg on their face as it is the
Utes, for the second time in 3 year, who would have been national champions if
they were only given the invite. It would be the SECOND time the
Utes have the best team in the nation and denied the national champion title!
Those who believe that Utah, TCU, or Boise State will play for the NC as it is
set up to earn as much money as possible, will be sadly disappointed because
Santa Claus doesn't come and shower good little boys and girls with Christmas
toys.The BCS is a joke; albeit a very bad one.
SammyG: "AND if my prediction is wrong I still say that it won't make any
difference if the Utes run the gauntlet." The way that BSu is
falling, it wouldn't surprise me to see Utah jump them. If that happens, the BCS
HAS to take Utah regardless of their biases. The talking heads on College
Gameday Live on ESPN yesterday had TCU in a BCS game and BSu out. If Utah wins
this weekend, they should supplant TCU as the non-AQ school to automatically
qualify for a BCS bowl. The fact that Utah will be a PAC 12 school next year
will be a consideration in many voters minds.Go Utes!! Destiny is in
your hands! On to victory #9 against the toads!
Truth Machine,BYU’s *NC would be the equivalent of having the
Utes going undefeated and winning a meaningless bowl game against Toledo. (
although Utah would have beaten better teams — I think you get the point)
If Utah is lucky enough to get into a NC game this year — they
most likely would be pitted against the likes of Alabama, Oregon, Nebraska
— (I think you get the point.)
Why is this a surprise to anybody? If you want to predict an outcome, basic
business rule is to follow the money. A non-BCS school will not play for the
Hi Im an avid Byu Fan,but I hope Utah can win on Sat against TCU. Good Luck
Utes. See all Byu fans don't hate Utah.
I believed that the hornfrogs would win the MWC this year and I haven't changed
my mind. When the Cougars and Utes play on the 27th, Utah will be coming in
with at least the TCU loss. The uTe's offense and Wynn arn't good enough to
outscore the hornfrogs.
"Lets not forget that a big reason why these rankings now exist is BYU's 1984
national championship. I am not trying to hate here just pointing out a
fact!"Hating is exactly what you're doing. This is a tired, old
argument that has no validity.The AP National Champion (the oldest
of the polls) will be determined in EXACTLY the same way this year as it was in
1984.The BCS wasn't started until 1998, FOURTEEN years AFTER BYU won
its first national championship.The only connection to BYU is an
effort to allow the best two teams to be paired in a bowl, regardless of their
conference's bowl tie-in.That wasn't possible in 1984. But, it was
also a concern in several seasons after 1984 that finally led to the bowl
alliance, bowl coalition, and finally the BCS.The fundamental flaw
of the BCS wasn't the stated goal of matching the two best teams, but the
arrogance of the BCS gurus who rigged the system to ensure that the "best two
teams" would always come from the "best" conferences.btw, the
"final" coaches poll used to be taken BEFORE the bowls.
Lets not forget that a big reason why these rankings now exist is BYU's 1984
national championship. I am not trying to hate here just pointing out a fact!
Fox guarding the chicken coop.That's what it all boils down to with
the BCS "guarding" the BCS championship game from unwelcome guests.As much as some fans like to pretend that the BCS produces a "legitimate"
national champion, the reality is the BCS is simply a sham whose sole purpose is
to keep the money in the good ol' boys club.It won't matter whether
BSU and TCU/Utah finish undefeated, the BCS championship game is rigged to pair
two teams from one of these four conferences: SEC/BigTen/Big12/PAC10.No matter what happens on Saturday, TCU, UoU, and BSU have no chance of
playing in the BCS championship game.Even if one or two of those
teams climbs their way into the Top 2 next week, magically, a couple of one-loss
SEC/BigTen/Big12/PAC10 teams will muscle their way to the top by the end of
November.No matter what TCU, UoU, BSU do the rest of the season,
their BCS championship hopes will sink; it's a "mathematical" certainty.
The whole system can be upset if Auburn's quarterback goes down and if Oregon
lives up to their MO which is that they usually loose to an underdog team such
as Oregon State. I know from having seen 5 games a weekend that Oregon is the
best team in the Nation. I also know that If TCU or Utah and Boise State win out
none of them will be in the National Championship game. The only way to get the
true NC is with an entirely possible 16 team playoff. That will only happen by
court order. We need some schools to band together, step up and get it going.
Harmon says: "What all this means is the BCS system is an interesting exercise
in guessing."No, Dick, you're wrong. There's no guessing at all. The
BCS poll is indeed statistical, not a guess, having hardly a thing to do with
football records, game stats or anything logical. The only statistics that are
used today, and always have been, are $$$. That is, count the money each school
can potentially attract to a bowl game. The ones with the highest dollar
potential appear in the big bowls, period, end of sentence, end of debate.
Nice article, thanks.
I would agree with a previous post. Harmon appears to have humble pie on his
face. Just a few months ago he was stumping (embarrassingly I might add) about
how BYU was more deserving of a PAC12 bid. Fast-forward to today and the Utes
sit at #5 in the Nation and the kewgs have the 118 ranked offenses and a beat
down lose to Utah State.I think the Pac did their homework.
The human and computer analysis that goes into these rankings are ways to
estimate which teams are the "best." While some rankings might be better than
others, that really isn't the point of football. On any given
Saturday, the underdog can beat a team that really is better. Being the
champion should be about winning games, not by being voted "the best".
I noticed that Harmon left out KPMG from his list of auditors, just like he
tries to leave out respect for Utah (With a number 5 rating in the bcs, he can
no longer disrespect the utes. It sure makes his rant about how BYU wasnt
invited to the PAC 10 seem pretty silly now. Sorry Dick, Utah really does have a
better and deeper sports history than BYU. (Remember, Utah still owns the
football series by a decent margin)).
"And what about these rankings? Are they legitimate?" They are as
relevant and fair as the entity that administers the program. Remember TCU vs.
BSU 2009! Lots of good points in this article but after this
weekend it won't make any difference. AND if my prediction is wrong I still say
that it won't make any difference if the Utes run the gauntlet. The
good ol' boys BCS club will choose another team.Ute fans can thank
the MWC and bid them farewell in one breath for this mess.
I've said it since week 1(with both utes and cougars laughling all along the
way) and I'll say it again.Utah WILL WIN the 2010 national
championship.More and more on jumping on my bandwagon each week.Who's laughing now? I think Auburn and Oregon will each lose 1 before
the season is over and I think even Alabama will possibly drop one more.You can MARK IT DOWN. The 2010 national champ is the University of