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  • Dave from Taylorsville Taylorsville, UT
    Nov. 2, 2010 3:02 p.m.

    The doofusses that keep harping that BYU was dishonest in this need to shut up and go back to grade school.

    ***** The Mountain West Conference hired and controlled the replay officials and all involved - not BYU *******

    Can you get this through your skulls????????

    Do you ACTUALLY think that BYU would do this. If so, you don't really know anyone involved at BYU.

  • Logicalperson Alpine, CA
    Oct. 31, 2010 8:46 p.m.

    The question is not whether other calls went the Aztecs way that shouldn't, or whether SDSU played lousy or would have won if the call went the other way, or whether or not you like San Diego State as an institution. There's not even a question of whether or not the call was wrong--it was, no one disputes that. The real question is whether or not the wrong call was made because of an attempt to favor BYU by one or more of the three persons involved in the replay. If that is the case then BYU should forfeit--it is the only correct thing to do--and it would be even if it had happened in a game in which BYU had a huge lead. Cheating is cheating and should not be tolerated. If it's true that certain replays were intentionally not shown, then BYU has to forfeit,

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, Utah
    Oct. 30, 2010 12:56 p.m.

    I don't think all the review officials could have made such a big blunder concerning the fumble call. That leaves two options: 1) They noticed the facemask and took that into consideration (realizing that a personal foul trumps a fumble anyday), or 2) They had dishonorable intentions (which has been proven to be false).

    That leaves the only option to be that they saw the facemask and adjusted the outcome accordingly.

    BYU was NOT involved with the call, and some SDSU fans or BYU haters saying it is true does NOT change that fact! How much more evidence to you need? Seriously!

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 30, 2010 11:39 a.m.

    Re: Dennis

    SDSU got OWNED. The gave up 270 yards on the ground and 3 to 1 T.O.P. Stop crying and tuck your tail back between your legs.

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    Oct. 30, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    "Never has a school forfeited a game in such a manner."

    In 1940 undefeated, defending national champion Cornell played Dartmouth riding a 17-game win streak. Cornell was favored to win by two touchdowns and eventually to repeat as national champions. Yet, late in the game Dartmouth led 3-0. Cornell drove to within inches of the goal line and, with seconds left in the game, threw a pass that was broken up by a Dartmouth defender. Dartmouth began to celebrate but were stopped short when referees, apparently unaware that it had been fourth down, lined Cornell up for a final play. They scored a touchdown and seemingly won their eighteenth consecutive game.

    The next day, after viewing film, Cornell players and coaches sent the following telegram to Dartmouth:

    "We relinquish our claim to the victory and extend our congratulations to Dartmouth."

    The Dartmouth athletic director wired a reply:

    "Thank you for your wire. Dartmouth accepts the victory and your congratulations and salutes the Cornell team, the honored and honorable opponent of her longest unbroken football rivalry."

    A different era. I'm not suggesting BYU should forfeit their victory but I do suggest "never say never."

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    Oct. 30, 2010 6:16 a.m.

    Once again BYU gets away with another one.

  • JROB22 Saint George, UT
    Oct. 30, 2010 2:09 a.m.

    Sportzfan-- thank you! You made my day.

    And hedgehog, as always, you are not smart and it boggles my mind that you care so much about putting a school down for no reason. Dont you read all the comments afterward where everyone questions your sanity and tells you how wrong you are? And did you notice that ute fans almost never back you up, on anything? Really, dude, give it a rest. Its getting ridiculous.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 30, 2010 1:33 a.m.

    You've got to do better, Cougar fans.

    In the argument of whether BYU is responsible for the botched review of an obvious fumble, you guys are clearly in the right. But you still make it hard for others to back you because of your attitudes. You say:

    -SDSU is a "tacky" institution.

    -The MWC is just trying to stick it to BYU for leaving the conference.

    -It wasn't really a fumble. And besides, the Aztecs grabbed the facemask of the ballcarrier.

    -I can't wait to leave this loser conference, and I hope we never play (fill in the blank) again.

    -They don't like us because we are Mormons.

    -They're just mad because they have a horrible football team.

    -They're just jealous that we beat them all the time.

    You complain that no one else in the conference likes you, but you can't understand why.

    Are these the fruits you are planning on showing the nation/world as you get more "exposure" as an independent?


  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 11:55 p.m.

    Archie

    "So, the mere fact that he has done it before means that the MWC "should" have known?"

    Do you even bother reading?

    There's no question about whether the MWC "should" have known, they absolutely knew.

    Bunn is a founding member of the Collegiate Sports Video Association (CSVA) and has served two terms as its president. Bunn currently serves as the Mountain West Conference representative to the CSVA. In 2002 Bunn was named the Bob Matey Video Coordinator of the Year, the CSVA’s highest honor. In 2003 Bunn received this same award for the MWC.

    Bunn is VERY WELL known in the collegiate world of video production. The MWC absolutely knew that he also worked for BYU.

    And please don't insult our intelligence by claiming that someone who works for a university is somehow more inherently biased than someone who is simply an alumn of the university.

    All of the video replay officials essentially work part-time for the MWC on game days. They all have day jobs doing something else. Bunn just happens to work for BYU. Others may be accountants, teachers, or any other occupation. That doesn't make them any more or less biased.

  • Mr. Schneebly Syracuse, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 11:12 p.m.

    It's a GAME!

    Ease up people! It's supposed to be about fun, fitness, teamwork, building character, etc.

    It loses every positive thing when it becomes all about money, and lawyers, and investigations and allegations of fraud and deceit and cover-ups.

    We get enough of that in politics. Leave football alone!

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:21 p.m.

    What a bunch of Ute whiners...

    Man, you embarass the team.

    Poyman, are you suggesting that your team will lose?

    Bottom line...

    Now, everyone get this...

    Bunn was an employee of the MWC.

    And, he is a man with a reputation beyond reproach.

    But the Utah fans with their no loss record still need to whine.

    Why?

    Is there a game coming up that you will lose?

    What do you know that I don't?

  • Classless Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 7:30 p.m.

    Rexburg Reader,

    Somebody please explain the upside for BYU cheating for one play in a losing season.

    With the win, BYU will possibly qualify for a bowl game. Without it, they more than likely wont.

    With the win for SDSU, they will still not finish higher than 3rd in the conference with future losses to Utah and TCU. So really, the win doesn't really help SDSU. Now they will be tied for 3rd instead of having it solo.

    With that being said... I think that the SDSU boosters are a bunch of cry-babies and should just forget about the issue. The past can't be changed. The outcome of the game can't be altered now. What more can be said?

    Oh yeah, Go Utes!!!

  • Archie O\'Fallon, MO
    Oct. 29, 2010 7:19 p.m.

    skywalker | 5:11 p.m. Oct. 29, 2010

    "To suggest that the MWC didn't know that Bunn worked for BYU is ludicrous."

    Really? So, the mere fact that he has done it before means that the MWC "should" have known? And after all these years it never once occurred to him that maybe...just maybe, he shouldn't in the replay booth for the school from which he earns a pay check? Did he ever bother to ask anyone? What would Holmoe have told him? Did Holmoe know his employee was in the booth? Did it never occur to him to ask MWC for a "read" on the situation?

    "At least 5 or 6 MWC schools, including the University of Utah, have used alumni in their video review booths this year."

    Are these alumni earning a PAY CHECK from the school at the same time they are working for the MWC?

    As I said in my earlier post...

    "Who is going to monitor BYU's lack of common sense when they go independent and there is no league to oversee their conduct?"

  • tonyloaf Schoharie, NY
    Oct. 29, 2010 7:17 p.m.

    TO Rexburg Reader: "Somebody please explain the upside for BYU cheating for one play in a losing season."

    I'll be happy to explain it to you. The answer is they didn't cheat. Use of gratuitous insults are very unbecoming especially for someone from Idaho.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 6:09 p.m.

    Hey SDSU fans:

    Is Wyoming demanding a forfeit? No, they just admit that they were outplayed and got beat? There are such things as close games where the other team was clearly outplayed, and this was one of them.

    Please just keep your blown up SoCal pride where it belongs, in your own state. I wouldn't shed a tear if we never played the Spaztecs ever again.

  • Outsideview Federal Way, WA
    Oct. 29, 2010 5:56 p.m.

    This is the first time I have heard any type of "response" from the official who actually made the call. I was wondering why there hadnt been any actual quotes from the officials. I am sure the MWC has a rule against that but in this case they owe people an explanation. Mr Bunn is not going to be allowed to work for the MWC anymore anyway so he should be willing to provide his side of the story.

    The real cry for a resolution to this should go to the MWC. It is their officials who made the call and had nothing to do with BYU.


  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 5:11 p.m.

    Archie - Are you kidding me????? The MWC was very aware of Munn's connection to BYU. He has worked in the booth for years.
    "Other schools have such controls governing their practices." Uh, no, many schools have someone with a connection in their booth. Why do you think the MWC is making a change to this practice? Besides, this has nothing to do with BYU's practices. The fault, if there is any, is the MWC's not BYU's.

    Get It???

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 5:11 p.m.

    Archie

    "Did Bunn and/or BYU ever disclose to the MWC that Bunn is an employee of BYU?"

    You're kidding right? Have you even followed this story?

    Bunn was hired as the video coordinator for the athletic department at BYU in 1989. Bunn served as the video coordinator for the Western Athletic Conference Tournament from 1993-99 and now serves in the same position for the MWC. Chad has been working in video review booths around the MWC for the past 7 years.

    To suggest that the MWC didn't know that Bunn worked for BYU is ludicrous.

    "Other schools have such controls governing their practices. Why didn't BYU?"

    Again, you don't know what you're talking about. At least 5 or 6 MWC schools, including the University of Utah, have used alumni in their video review booths this year.

    Why should BYU throw a decent, honorable, 20-year employee under the bus with absolutely no proof that he intentionally did something wrong just to please a bunch of whiney, sore losers?

    The MWC investigated the incident and suspended all three officials suggesting that Chad was no more or less responsible than any of the other officials.



  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 29, 2010 5:09 p.m.

    Okay, I have an idea of how to resolve this mess.... BYU will forfeit the game to SDSU as long as Bunn can be appointed to be the Head Replay Official in the BYU-Utah game.... Deal?

  • Archie O\'Fallon, MO
    Oct. 29, 2010 4:25 p.m.

    Truth Machine| 9:44 a.m. Oct. 29, 2010

    "What proof do you have that the BYU employee did anything wrong?

    scenic view | 10:57 a.m. Oct. 29, 2010

    Even though a BYU alum/employee was part of the replay officiating crew, the MWC was in charge of the officiating..."

    Here's what the BYU employee did wrong, Truth Machine/Scenic View...

    Did Bunn and/or BYU ever disclose to the MWC that Bunn is an employee of BYU? Both Bunn and BYU should have enough common sense to recognize that a conflict of interest existed with an employee in a position to influence officiating.

    Pepsi isn't going to KNOWINGLY put a guy in quality inspection who also works manufacturing Coke products.

    Get it?

    Other schools have such controls governing their practices. Why didn't BYU? Who is going to monitor BYU's lack of common sense when they go independent and there is no league to oversee their conduct? Who will issue reprimands to Halls and Jorgensens? Discipline requires integrity.

    BYU is smart, Admit nothing...wait for the problem to go away.

    An apology implies that a mistake was made and admitting mistakes requires humility.

  • Just Me SLC, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    I HATE byu and I'm still gald when I drive by Cougar Stadium and see they named it after an Aggie,

    But please.....SDSU needs to grow up and so does the guy who made some lame excuse that he would have changed the call had he seen all angles (if he really did.) As bad as it hurts me....byu is NOT in the wrong here!!!

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    Oct. 29, 2010 4:21 p.m.

    if San Diego State had to rely on the outcome of one call to decide the game, they deserve to lose. They couldn't stop a mediocre, at best, offense and couldn't move the ball against a mediocre defense. I'm clearly not a TDS fan but, this is simply ridiculous.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    Solomon

    EXACTLY! THANK YOU!

    So from now on can we just drop the whole, "Oh, well Utah barely beat OSU and TCU in 08 because of blown calls and missed field goals"?

    I could care less about the byu vs sdsu game (it means nothing) but it sure sounds familiar to Yning we heard after the 08 undefeated year and Sugar Bowl win.

    It's a two way street.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 3:42 p.m.

    You go hedgehoggy!!!

  • Mid-Major Cougars San Diego, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 3:41 p.m.

    @Solomon Levi
    ..."Ans:-->Burn was disciplined by MWC"
    All three replay officials were disciplined by the MWC.
    The million dollar question is:
    WHY?...

    different reasons:
    -video technician: for not providing all possible/available angles
    -review official(s): for not asking for all possible/available angles

    There must be a reason provided by MWC to Chad Bunn by MWC on why he was suspended. BYU should have (from beginning) provided that info. But perhaps, the truth would not help BYU, and therefore the silence treatment.

    Oh, people, the face mask call is not reviewable. And even if face mask is reviewable, the review was asked by SDSU to determine if it's a fumble or not.

  • Johnny Ace Logan, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 3:25 p.m.

    I don't place too much blame on SDSU because, well, they're SDSU. I've never understood why what should be such a desirable place to go to college would consistently have underachieving teams.

    The real blame lies at the feet of Thompson and the MWC. That game was a MWC event (not a BYU event), the conference supplied the officials, TV feed, and replay officials. The only thing BYU was expected to do in this situation was provide the facility and one of the teams. Whether the MWC wanted to contract BYU people to man their replay booth was entirely up to them. For them to throw BYU under the bus was reprehensible (but very predictable). Expect more parting shots from Thompson this year.

  • chase SL Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 2:53 p.m.

    and BYU will beat Utah too

  • SC-Cougar Spartanburg, SC
    Oct. 29, 2010 2:39 p.m.

    So I guess it boils down to this:

    Either we follow procedures and deal with the imperfections
    OR
    We say to heck with procedures and make the RIGHT call.

    Either way, SDSU doesn't have a leg to stand on. Because if the policies and procedures don't matter, and all that matters is making the RIGHT call, then there would be a 15 yard facemask penalty against the defense and BYU still retains possession. When they say, "You can't use replay to call penalties!" I respond, "Oh, really? What happened to throwing out the policies and just making the right call?"

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    "Ans:-->Burn was disciplined by MWC"

    All three replay officials were disciplined by the MWC.

    The million dollar question is:

    WHY?

    Answer that question with actual facts, rather than speculation, and we'll know whether anything sinister happened in that replay booth or whether it was simply a series of errors that led to a botched call.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 29, 2010 2:02 p.m.

    Well, I just don't get it. The missed (no)call was a facemask on the RB. It's so obviously there and nobody see's it. The fumble is irrelavent. I just don't get!

    The Wyoming game? WOW! Nobody noticed an accidental block by the ref giving the cowboys a completed pass which eventually led to a score. It's not a penalty, but no Wyoming fan is upset with the completed pass and no call PI. It just happens.

  • Y Provo, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:58 p.m.

    @ hedgehog:

    Dude you have serious issues.

    What did BYU ever do to you personally? Reject your application? Beat up the Utes 4 straight years while you attending the Utah? Never offered you or your kid a scholarship? Lost a major bet?

    You are just one bitter Ute Fan who has a serious problem when the words B Y U is mentioned.

    Maybe it's time to take advantage of the U medical programs and get some stress relief before BYU drives you crazy.

  • Gracious George West Jordan, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:56 p.m.

    No wonder why BYU would stand behind their student in the replay booth.

    They aren't denying it. That must mean something then.

    I think the SDSU fans are going to the wrong place--they need to take this to the MWC, or maybe to the NCAA national offices.

    This isn't the only call that has been blown against them this year.

    In the meantime, BYU's lack of action and obstinant attitude towards this is shameful. It shows a lack of integrity and violates the very code of ethics the university claims to adhere to.

    If BYU is going to expect students and faculty at their institution to abide by this code, they need to do it at all times, not make exceptions to the rules when it's athletically expedient.

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers Lake Forest, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    @Mt Rushmore
    ..."The thing that [BYU] fans are missing is that the official said "HE DIDN'T SEE THE VIEW THAT WAS ON TV""
    You know that for a fact?...

    Ans:-->Burn was disciplined by MWC

    @Max
    ...the guys playing football want their fanatical crazy boosters to shut up...

    May be. Or may be they want justice for their hard-fought win that was recorded as loss in their season. Without that "losss", SDSU would be in the top-15 now.

    Forfeit the game!

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:45 p.m.

    "Funny that two of the cougs wins came down to a couple blown calls. Interesting."

    Can't the same thing be said of Utah in 2008.

    Michigan?

    Oregon State?

    People who live in glass houses!

    Utah has been the beneficiary of many blown calls in the past, some in games much more critical than this one.

    When Utah decides to do the right thing and give back the game Utah stole from Oregon State, BYU will consider apologizing to SDSU for winning a game the Cougars would have won even without the blown fumble call.

  • bloke American Fork, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:29 p.m.

    and it's because BYU has older players....... why aren't we hearing this one this year?

  • Mt Rushmore Arlington, VA
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:26 p.m.

    "The thing that [BYU] fans are missing is that the official said "HE DIDN'T SEE THE VIEW THAT WAS ON TV""

    You know that for a fact?

    NO!

    You've actually seen or heard a recording of the video replay official saying that?

    NO!

    Or, is it simply something a disgruntled San Diego reporter made up to support his speculation?

    POSSIBLY.

    Why did the MWC suspend the lead replay official if he made the correct call based on the video he was shown?

    SHRUGS!

    The haters keep ignoring the known facts in order to support their own biased speculation.

    The only thing we know for sure is that there were three video replay officials in the booth, that one of them was a BYU employee, and that the call was botched. The MWC hasn't even officially announced that the officials were suspended.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:19 p.m.



    Funny that two of the cougs wins came down to a couple blown calls. Interesting.

    Mr 1984

    byu has no chance of playing in Las Vegas. Sorry, it will be New Mexico if anywhere at all.

  • Max for President Brighton, MA
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:03 p.m.

    The people I feel bad for in this situation are the SDSU football players. Its that feeling when your mom goes balistic to your coach at a little league game that you should be the starting pitcher. Meanwhile, you are doing your best damage control, rolling your eyes at your teammates with the "See what I have to endure at home" and "pay no attention to the crazy lady" look on your face.

    I'm sure the guys playing football want their fanatical crazy boosters to shut up, just like the rest of the sports world.

  • CougarClassic Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 12:58 p.m.

    When replay is for us, fans love it, when it goes against our team, we hate it.

    The problem with replay is what is reversible and what is not reversible.

    The main point of this article is that SDSU Boosters want BYU to forfeit the game. My friends, this is about as bush-league as it gets.

    All the side-accusations regarding BYU and/or defending BYU and attacking the integrity of "Mormons" in general reveals more about us as a society than anything else.

    We have now come to the point where Sports is our Graven Image and sits in judgement of all.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 12:56 p.m.

    Maybe the officials in the booth saw that there were indeed two facemask penalties on the play and that's why they made the call they did.

  • Rexburg Reader Rexburg, ID
    Oct. 29, 2010 12:52 p.m.

    Gosh, I sure hope BYU doesn't have to forfeit this game and ruin it's national championship season! Somebody please explain the upside for BYU cheating for one play in a losing season.

  • Milburn Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 12:31 p.m.

    Imagine the can of worms you'd be opening by setting a precedent of going back over films to determine if a game should be forfeited because of one bad call. Schools would never let a loss go. Every big game would be like Bush v. Gore in Florida in 2000.

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    seriously SDSU...now you want to blame your loss on a kid in the replay booth instead of your inability to find a better coach,better players, higher standards...I'm a U fan, but find this kind of gamesmanship childish...It's like hearing drunk guys in a bar argue...BYU eeked out a win. Your team played worse than a JC....and somehow it's somebody else's fault? Poor play all around...But I'd give the win to BYU for being slightly less-horrible than SDSU.

  • Thriller Saint George, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 11:50 a.m.

    First off, to say that one play doesn't change the game is wrong. One single play can entirely change the course of a game.

    Second, you can't say what SDSU would have or wouldn't have done. That's why they play the game. To say SDSU would not have gone and scored a TD on that drive would be like crowning the national champion based on preseason polls.

    Third, you can't excuse the missed review as human error that occurs in every game. Yes, refs miss alot of live-action calls, but that is why they have review. To miss a live call during a game is completely different from making a bad call after a review.

    Fourth, penalties are not reviewable. So even if there is an obvious penalty on tape, it cannot be called following a review. The fumble, on the other hand, is reviewable and should have been changed following the review.

    Lastly, BYU can't be held responsible for this. I find it highly unlikely that there was some great conspiracy at BYU to rig the SDSU game. SDSU lost the game because they couldn't stop a bad offense.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 11:43 a.m.

    Hedge hog,
    The reason BYU is despised by most of their conference teams from the past few decades is because they beat the socks off of them year in and year out. This includes TUN. There are many bad calls by officials every week that may or may not influence the outcome of games. Do you think the Utes (or any other school)coach or AD would forfeit a game because of a bad call that helped them win? Your strong dis-like and obsession for all things BYU and your mega-inferiority complex truly shines in your posts.

  • y be good when U CAN BE GREAT! Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 11:14 a.m.

    The thing that tds fans are missing is that the official said "HE DIDN'T SEE THE VIEW THAT WAS ON TV" What is the point of having replay officials if they don't see the correct views? This isn't a byu issue (but funny that they need it to win along with miss calls on PIs back to back), it is a MWC and NCAA problem.

    Now the fact that it was two guys from byu that were in charge of getting him the views is very suspect, but I don't see how the NCAA can just drop it when an official admits he didn't see all the video.

  • BeWhyUte Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    Howard S. you imply that Bunn was dishonest and intentionally misled the replay officials, that BYU knows this and is subsequently covering it up.

    You ignore the MWC statements and the fact that BYU had no connection to the hiring of the replay crew or what happened in the booth that day. So to ask them to comment on something they had no hand in from the beginning is ridiculous. BYU officials were pretty much in the same boat as the rest of us. They were dependent on the MWC findings.

    As for Bunn, his history in with replay crews for years all over the conference has been spotless and everyone who has worked with him refutes the idea that he would do anything like what has been insinuated. I would dare say Bunn was in the booth during the replay for that BYU-TCU game. It would be worth investigating. If he was in the booth that day and had tendencies toward dishonesty and being pro-BYU wouldn't he have rigged that one too, preventing the overtime loss?

    Character is easily judged by watching actions over time. Like your actions on these boards. Howard S. = Mormon/BYU Hater

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    Howard S. | 10:22 a.m. Oct. 29, 2010
    Taylorsville, UT

    "There has been no public explanation of what happened. But that wasn't stopped BYU and their fans from absolving Bunn and the BYU alum from any fault or wrong doing."

    So in your mind, guilty until proven innocent? You have a weird sense of justice my friend.

    Even though a BYU alum/employee was part of the replay officiating crew, the MWC was in charge of the officiating. If something was called incorrectly, the MWC is entirely responsible for investigating and correcting the problem.

    This could all be cleared up if the MWC would simply announce why they suspended the officials.

    If Bunn cheated by intentionally not showing the correct video, why was he only suspended for one game instead of being banned for life?


  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:49 a.m.

    Officials make mistakes all the time. We know that. Even if it is shown that the replay official who works for BYU did not get the right image to the head official you would still have to prove what was in his mind at the time and that he did it solely so BYU could win the game and not just because he is stupid and incompetent. That is an impossible threshold to overcome unless someone like Spock can read his mind. I personally don't believe that Bunn intetionally tried to influence the call in BYU's favor. Let's move on.

  • BeWhyUte Sandy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    To Ute fans who want to jump on this pathetically rickety wagon and insinuate BYU is covering up dishonesty in the replay booth, you obviously don't want to hear the facts or believe them.

    BYU as an institution had nothing to do with the hiring of the replay booth officials and crew nor the administration of such. It was done entirely by the MWC. The MWC has fully investigated and has said there was no malice in what turned out to be a blown call and blown replay review.

    For SDSU boosters or anyone to continue to whine, speculate, and slander BYU after the MWC made its decision is a poignant example of how sad college sports and the fans of sports in general have become and the win at all costs mentality so many possess these days.

    This is ridiculous.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:35 a.m.

    "SDSU officially told San Diego media the replay official working the booth said he would have ruled differently had he seen all the video of the play."

    Supposedly, this "statement" was made in response to a reporter's question right after the game, which raises several interesting questions:

    If the official says he would have reversed the call IF he had seen the video, how does he know he would have reversed the call, if he hadn't seen the replay?

    Doesn't the MWC prohibit officials from discussing calls with the media?

    If the head replay official botched the call because he wasn't shown the video, why was he suspended for making the correct call based on the video he was shown?

    Why was the name of the other replay official never revealed and what was his role in the botched call that got him suspended?

    The MWC has fueled the controversy by not making any official announcements of who was suspended and why.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:29 a.m.

    SDSU Boosters want BYU to forfeit their game over a blown call... How typical of the elite class in the great state of California... The only place that you will see in Sports and Politics folks trying to win on paper and in courtrooms that which they cannot win in reality... It brings a smile to my face...

    Oh and Hedgehog, we will never cloak our feeling of pride for all of our accomplishments that we have been abe to achieve over the years... When you are a perenial winner the fans of the teams that you compete against will always cheer against you.... In Uteville however, some of the fans of their local college (i.e. folks like you) are not respected because of their dispicable behavior. Something that was accurately described last year by the Rookie Starting QB of the Arizona Cardinals. Their are some good fans there, you just don't happen to be one of them.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    Re: Truth Machine | 9:44 a.m. Oct. 29, 2010
    Salt Lake City, UT

    "What proof do you have that BYU would have filed lawsuits in a similar situation?"
    ************************

    Answer - I have none. Neither to you. There has been no public explanation of what happened. But that wasn't stopped BYU and their fans from absolving Bunn and the BYU alum from any fault or wrong doing.

    Something went wrong to botch the call. If Bunn and the BYU alum are not at fault, then there should be an explanation.

    Instead, BYU and fans struggle to exonerate Bunn and the alum without explaining the facts.

    That is funny.

    As to the BYU-TCU game, was there a TCU employee and alum involved in a botched replay booth call when the entire stadium saw the correct video feed?

    Again, funny twisting to justify the replay booth advantage that aided the BYU victory over SDSU.

  • SyracuseCoug Syracuse, ut
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:10 a.m.

    SDSU alum- you lost because your defense couldn't keep the worst BYU offense in a decade off the field, not a blown call.

    Time to move on people.

  • WestCoast1 Escondido, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:07 a.m.

    To anyone who watched the game and knows anything at all about football, yes, it was a fumble. The running back's knees were on a defender's back on the way down to the turf when he fumbled. I was as surprised as anyone when, after the replay, BYU was given the ball back. It does beg the question: How could any intelligent replay official have missed that call? That's the very reason why the pros and colleges have gone to using TV replays. In this case, it does make you wonder if the head official watched all of the angles of the fumble.

    That being said, it is also true that nothing can be done now about it. For a different perspective on this, SDSU has been so bad over the past several decades. Now, with the hiring of defensive coordinator Long, they actually are playing good football. So the SDSU supporters down here are especially bitter at having to accept this. If I were a BYU supporter, I'd look at it in those terms. Don't get defensive about it. There's nothing that can be done now about it anyway.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    Oct. 29, 2010 10:06 a.m.

    It's just a game. I understand there are possible bowl game implications, and that is of course tied to money, but still, it's just a game. Given the fact the BYU's season is already a bust, I think they should take the high road and give SDSU what they want, if it makes them happy. It would be a nice gesture, and would possibly go towards improving BYU's image in the long run. Yes, I think it's rude and over the top for SDSU to be questioning the integrity of both the officials and BYU over a call in a football game, but if it will end the controversy and improve relations between the schools, why not give it to them?

  • Big Ben 2.0 Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:54 a.m.

    SDSU really needs to get over this. What lost the game was their inability to control a very poor offense with bad play calling, an inept, less than average quarterback, receivers who drop the ball more often than not, a coach who lives in a fantasy land, and a defense who celebrates like they won the super bowl every time they make a tackle.

    You had your chance SDSU, and you blew it. Boo who who.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:49 a.m.

    What Poor Sport-Cry Babies! Why don't those cry baby boosters comment on the facemask prior to the fumble? HUH? Why don't they admit they were outplayed? Look at the stats! I hope the utes crush them!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:44 a.m.

    Howard S.

    Funny to watch a BYU hater twist the truth to justify his own hatred.

    Tell me Howard,

    What proof do you have that the BYU employee did anything wrong?

    If he did do something wrong, what was it?

    What proof do you have that BYU would have filed lawsuits in a similar situation?

    Actually, we have a similar situation from a BYU-TCU game a few years ago in which TCU fumbled the ball at the goal line, but was still given the TD that allowed the Frogs to go on to win the game 51-50 in OT.

    It's easy to make accusations, isn't it, especially when you aren't required to provide any proof.


  • DRay Roy, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:40 a.m.

    I disagree with anyone who says the replay proves beyond any doubt the fumble was before the knee hit the ground...the replay decision was consistent with the one before that, where it appeared SDSU fumbled the ball and it was recovered inbounds by BYU, but the replay was not irrefutable proof, so the original call had to "stand." That made two calls that were possibly wrong, one in favor of each team, so whats the problem? No one knows, if the replay official had called those different, no one knows for sure what would have occured next, it is impossible to say, so lets move on.

  • Julianne North Salt Lake, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    The game is over. SDSU grow up. You are suppose to be men. Act your age. Let by gones be by gones. Go BYU!

  • Natester Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    I find it remarkable that these boosters made any money at all in their professional lives. Blame, blame, blame. If there was evidence of a BYU coverup, MWC would have found it when they investigated. They certainly were motivated to find something, as that could have cleared them in this matter. NOTHING FOUND because it was a mistake in the booth. Again, for those who saw the entire game, please refer to the previous reviews which went against BYU, and which seemed just as unexplained. Part of being involved in sports requires that you deal with mistakes and perceived bias and move on. Seriously, it's time to move on!

  • optimist Sun City, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    Right or wrong, we should avoid the appearance of evil.

    We should not put ourselves in the position of being criticised. Avoid conflict of interest.
    Avoid state politics, by any name, outside our own state.

    We need to stop putting the blame on others and having it appear that we we think we know it all and that anyone that disagrees with us is wrong.

    This is how many people outside the Church perceive us to be. Some call us cry babies. Let us make an effort to change that image.

    Example: "If anything, when the MWC hired a person to work a game which some feel was a conflict of interest, we apologize for any blame that might be ours for accepting the job."

    "We will try to be more careful to avoid accepting any jobs that might possibly be seen by ohters as a conflict of interest".

    Next drop it and don't mention it anymore except for reference to the statement above.

    Do we protest to much???

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 9:11 a.m.

    Logic says that if Bunn had intentionally withheld the video or in some way rigged the system to keep the correct call from being made, he wouldn't have been suspended for one game, he would have been banned from ever officiating again.

    The MWC suspended all three replay officials, so either they were all somewhat responsible for the botched call or the MWC threw one or two innocent officials under the bus because the MWC didn't do a thorough enough investigation to determine who was responsible.

    At any rate, one botched call didn't cost SDSU the game. If the Aztecs had gotten the ball at the 25, it's likely they would have picked up one or two first downs and then punted. SDSU only scored once the entire game on a drive that started inside their own 25.

    BYU had been moving the ball steadily all game, so BYU's game-clinching drive would likely have been delayed, but not stopped, leaving the Aztecs with even less time to mount a comeback drive.

    There's no proof BYU did anything wrong or that SDSU would have won the game even if they'd gotten the fumble.

  • JustintimeY Boise, Id
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    After reviewing the call on the field the Mountain west officials got so embarrassed that they missed the two face mask penalties on the same play that they tanked the fumble call, that simple. The only way the could rectify the two missed face mask penalties was to let the ruling of the field stand.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:55 a.m.


    Funny to watch BYU and their fans twist to defend the the role of their employee and alum in the botched fumble call.

    Had SDSU won the game aided by a botched call of their own employee and alum there would not only be a letter from BYU supporters asking for a forfeit, there would also be lawsuits against the officials, the MWC, SDSU, and the NCAA.

  • loidinho Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:52 a.m.

    flatlander... a couple of things. Thoe only reason USC forfeited those games was to appease the NCAA. It's common for institutions to provide disciplinary action so that the NCAA doesn't come down harder on them. Simply put, they didn't want a SMU-like death sentence. It had nothing to do about intergrity.
    My second point is there's absolutely NO precedence for what the SDSU alumni are asking for. How about the poor officiating and replay in the 2006 Oregon v. Oklahoma game? Never has a school forfeited a game in such a manner. Moreover the consequences of the fumble wouldn't have guaranteed a SDSU victory.
    Anybody can see that, even a Ute fan like myself.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    Can't believe SDSU is calling us Yners. Who's whining about this? SDSU not BYU. Get over it. Every game has blown calls. There were several penalties against SDSU in the game that were missed. There was no foul play. There was human error, which there is in every game.

    Face it Aztecs, you'll never beat BYU - not even it a down year. Don't go looking for us to forfeit so you can get a win. Try earning it on the field.

  • helpisontheway Boise, Id
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    San Diego St beat Utah St in a total smack down. Utah State beat BYU in a total smack down. San Diego St can't justify how they got beat by one of the worst BYU teams in 40 years. Blame it on a bad call, rather than the team not being prepared and not showing up. How do you get dominated by time of possession that bad? Even if the call was ruled a fumble to suggest that San Diego would have gone on to win a game they where already losing at the time is comical. To miss two face masks on the same play and cry about the officials missing the fumble is laughable, to send a letter to BYU demanding a forfeit is priceless.

  • Veritas Aequitas Fruit Heights, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:47 a.m.

    Seeking clarity Otis...
    "As a byu graduate, I can honestly say this article is completely wrong.
    ===

    "SDSU boosters Leon Parma, Bob Payne and Jack Goodall sent the letter to Samuelson via express mail on Monday. In it, they also ask him to "declare the game forfeited" to SDSU if he finds evidence of gross negligence or foul play committed by the BYU alumni who were working for the Mountain West Conference video replay booth that day.

    "There are too many open questions for you not to act on this matter," said the letter, a copy of which was obtained by The San Diego Union-Tribune."
    ===

    Completely wrong?

    Are these two statements inaccurate?

    Which part is wrong?


  • SoCalUtahFan Utesville, CA
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:30 a.m.

    SDSU officials have moved past this issue.
    The boosters sent the letter--lots of difference between being a 6-1 and 5-2 team to boosters.

    On the other hand, lots of difference between 2-6 and 3-5 as well.

    Now, it's too late for BYU to make that statement which by the way did not add anything that we all have known/heard/read.

    Move on, indeed, people.
    Fans from both teams should just relax, sit back and watch MWC ood college football game this weekend between AFA and Utah.

  • So.cougar St. George, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:29 a.m.

    BYU did nothing wrong. To say that that is the play that lost SDSU the game is insane. NOTHING says that even if the Aztecs got the ball on the fumble that they would have scored or that BYU would not have scored again. You cannot pull one play after a game is over and say what the outcome would have/should have been. If everyone could ask for a forfeit because of a blown call or a "biased" ref or official then we would have the battle after the game as part of who wins or losses. Look at how many times SDSU has said they have lost a game because of a bad call this year.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:15 a.m.

    This is just another example in of string of burnt bridges. Look up and down the list of MWC programs, find any that don’t despise the tds? BYU is simply running away from their dysfunctional problems by going independent…. And it might just be the elixir.

    Hit and run barnstorming at locations unaware of the callus misdeeds of the tds might work — present your shiny, happy people mask and then get out of dodge before anyone looks under the hood.

  • meet me in the MUSS Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:13 a.m.

    We should blame this on the MTN. I'm always screaming at the TV watching Ute games because they don't show replays of the best plays!! I wish BYU luck in the rest of their remaining games except the last where of course no replay will be needed to see that the Utes won. Hehe just poking some fun, I keed I keed. But seriously.

  • Otis Spurlock Ogden, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 8:10 a.m.

    As a byu graduate, I can honestly say this article is completely wrong.

  • jazzbball Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 7:45 a.m.

    It is laughable SDSU is still pursuing this. I love how they conveniently gloss over the fact that two SDSU defenders had were pulling down DiLuigi by his facemask on the play too.

    Of course it was a fumble, of course it was a blown call. But to infer there were some sort of scandal or controversy by a MWC employee who has nothing to do with actually showing the feed to the officials is laughable.

    The MWC is so incredibly bitter about BYU leaving, they're throwing truth out the window and sit contently watching the speculation grow.

    I'm glad to see Bunns file a letter with his attorney for the MWC to set the record straight. It's gotten to the point now where the MWC has some explaining to do.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    Oct. 29, 2010 7:40 a.m.

    As I understand it, BYU will forfeit a game if it is played on sunday but will hide behind the MTWC in this case. USC forfeited the games Bush played in and he gave back the Heisman he won. Intersting view on integrity.

  • RaininTime Orem, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 7:21 a.m.

    The accusation and subsequent letters by SDSU is unthinkable. Again, if SDSU wants to go to that call, BYU will go to the facemask on the same play. Or BYU can say what about the SDSU fumble that was incorrectly ruled down by contact, a rule not in the NCAA rule-book.

    Goodbye SDSU and good riddance MWC....both of whom accuse BYU of that which they themselves are so unwilling to do.

  • Sloppy J St. Louis, MO
    Oct. 29, 2010 7:12 a.m.

    Conspiracy theorists of SoCal unite! BYU has been placing moles in the replay booth for years, just waiting for the prime opportunity to spring their dastardly trap! And now, our cunning has felled the mighty Aztecs of San Diego State! BWAHAHAHAHA!! Bronco would twirl his mustache at you, if BYU allowed mustaches.

    Really? If we're going to cheat, we're going to cheat to beat a mediocre SDSU team in an already lost season? Yep; that makes perfect sense. Face it, desperate SDSU boosters . . you can't even beat the worst BYU team in decades in one of your better seasons. I understand why that would get you worked up.

    As for the "Yners" comment, I'm confused. When another school whines about something the Y supposedly did, the Y is guilty of whining? What am I missing?

  • Chad S Derby, KS
    Oct. 29, 2010 6:55 a.m.

    What a bunch of poor losers. The MWC and SDSU are in the wrong for 1) not protecting it's officials' privacy and 2) leaking the names of the officials to the public in a smear campaign. Good riddance, MWC.

  • Mr. Obvious Sandy, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2010 6:13 a.m.

    There are those that justify the means. “Bad calls are part of the game” yes they are but not in the replay situation such as this. “But you can see a face mask in the replay” yes you can , right about the time his knee was a foot off the ground when he fumbled the ball but that is not a violation you can replay. The replay was brought into the game to help questionable plays, not to bring to light questionable replays.
    With the MTWC rules on discretion. The fact’s are; we will never know exactly what took place in the booth. If Chad Bunn did nothing wrong then the MTWC threw him under the bus.
    On the other hand, if he intentionally withheld tape. Miracle of Forgiveness is a good book that EVERYONE involved should read.
    SDSU needs to get over it / BYU needs to move onto their Independence.

  • Uteology Fort Worth, Texas
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:49 a.m.

    SDSU lost because they couldn't stop one of the worst offenses in the nation from controlling the time of possession: 45 to 15 mins. Unless they have evidence that BYU was involved, the game was won fairly by BYU. End of discussion, move on.

  • True Blue Champions (1984) Provo, Utah
    Oct. 29, 2010 1:30 a.m.

    This is just human nature going into affect. When you have a special football program others will find any reason to tear you down.

    We as Cougar Nation will support and have faith in Bronco and the mighty Cougars. While I am realist and we do not have the wins we are accustomed to, I will always look at the many positives everyone seems to ignore. The offensive linemen are big and nasty; the defensive line has put a complete stop to teams with dynamic running games (wyoming, tcu, san diego state). I welcome smash mouth football to Cougar Town. In the skill positions, while young and inexperienced, they have the speed and athleticism provided by top recruiting. Heaps will continue to improve and the full might of the mantle of "BYU Great" will be placed upon him.

    We have been down but we are continually marching onward and the summit of the mountain is in sight. This will go down as one of the most memorable years as our Cougs battle it out one last time in the Las Vegas Bowl.

    Go Bronco and Go Cougars!!!

    "Dogs bark, but the caravan goes on".

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Oct. 29, 2010 12:24 a.m.

    It was a bad call on the field, and maybe the worst replay ruling I have seen. It's hard for me to believe that the replay official was fed the clip that shows the obvious fumble.

    Once again (we've seen it several times over the last few months), the BYU athletic department's handling of controversy doesn't sit well with many who are interested in MWC sports. Saying nothing is sometimes the right response, but sometimes it just fuels the fire.

    That being said, as best as I can tell, BYU had nothing to do with the replay fiasco. For disappointed SDSU fans to demand a forfeit based on a bad call that occured when there was more than a quarter to play is silly.

    Unfortunately, bad calls are a part of the game. I feel for SDSU, but they had numerous opportunities to win the game and didn't do it.

  • Milburn Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 29, 2010 12:13 a.m.

    SDSU is such a tacky institution. No wonder the PAC10 won't touch them. I'm so glad they won't be on the schedule anymore. Yes it was an exceptionally bad call, but most games have a couple of bad calls that may or may not affect the final outcome. But to start making insinuations about another school and individuals without knowing all the facts is far worse than a blown call.

  • SportzFan Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 28, 2010 11:51 p.m.

    As a BYU and Jazz fan, I'd happily see BYU forfeit the herein mentioned game between BYU and SDSU if they can talk the Bulls into forfeiting Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals because Michael Jordan pushed off.