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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 27 2010 2:19 p.m. MDT

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TMR
Santa Monica, CA

Harry Reid is a wonderful asset to the LDS Church, notwithstanding the fact that the ultra-conservative membership in the Intermountain West does not understand this point. It is refreshing for me to be able to point out to critics that not all LDS members are conservative Republicans by using Reid as an example. Go Reid!

Greenmountain
Payson, UT

"A Guy With A Brain" at 1:18 p.m over rates himself.

One thing for sure, this article is the "hot button" article for the day.

Greenmountain
Payson, UT

There are many reasons my LDS Church is not in debt like the government of the United States of America.

One major reason is the USA has to pay living wages to about 4 million employees. There are about 2 million civilian workers and about 2 million in the military. The Church has a large army of non wage workers.

The above is just ONE major factor. Government and Church is another apples and oranges situation.

The Caravan Moves On
Enid, OK

To my fellow Latter-day Saints:

"...but I want to say to you, my brethren, the time is coming when we will be mixed up in these now peaceful valleys to that extent that it will be difficult to tell the face of a Saint from the face of an enemy against the people of God. Then is the time to look out for the great sieve, for there will be a great sifting time, and MANY will fall.
"For I say unto you there is a test...coming." - Heber C. Kimball, May 1868

And what will this test involve?

It is clear that at least some of it will be over whether we will follow principles of freedom or principles of what amounts to slavery; abdicating our responsibility to make choices and to be held accountable for them. One political party in America today (Democrats) clearly wants a decrease of personal responsibility and an increase in reliance on government. The other party in America today (Republicans) clearly wants an increase in personal responsibility and a decrease in reliance on government.

The acceptance of homosexuality as a moral lifestyle (or not) will also play a large factor.

Politics = morality.

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

Ok... lets set the record straight. The church in 2008 released the following statement.

""There is sort of a division along Mormon/non-Mormon, Republican/Democratic lines," says Elder Marlin Jensen, a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy. "We regret that more than anything -- that there would become a church party and a non-church party. That would be the last thing that we would want to have happen."

So argue your points all you will those who would believe the church has any alignment politically, but you are arguing against statements the church has made directly.

As to the claims that Benson's claims are all true... they are not. He claimed that no country with even partial socialist policies could be successful financially. In fact as viewed by GNP per capita, 9 countries have higher GNP per capita ratings than the US. Among those are Norway, the Netherlands, Denmark, Ireland, Switzerland - some of the most progressive countries when it comes to social policy. When looking at accumulated GNP growth, most EU countries have hire rates of increase than the US. Social policies has not been proven to equate to poor economic performance.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "LDS Liberal | 3:41 p.m." I agree with you. The liberals have become very greedy. They are constantly seeking out more riches and power over those around him.

I think that there are many LDS members out there that see the greed displayed by liberals that they would gladly vote out those that are seeking power and wealth.


To "UtahBlueDevil | 7:46 p.m." actually President Benson was right. Prior to the Recession, the US had a track record of growing its GDP faster than any of those countries. Also, if you look at them now, nearly all of the countries that you list have higher public debts than the US. Ireland is on the verge of collapse, and it is a matter of time before the others collapse also because their debt keeps mounting.

Ex-Pat of Zion
Lititz, PA

I've seen several months of bitter accusations, misinformation on both sides and and a level of polarization not seen since the days Shiz and Coriantumur ... and we know how that turned out! The Adversary plays the shell game superlatively. As long as each side believes they are right, it is a false battle between good and evil. Satan doesn't care which side you're on because he wins in the end either way. Both are contradictory to the commandments of the Lord

In six days we'll know if people sincerely want a new direction or if they just like complaining. The proof is not in the end result, but in the level of participation. Vote and you can run your dialogue (justifiably) to your heart's content. Don't and your comments ring hollow

raybies
Layton, UT

I would not put it past the republicans to throw mormons under the bus if it gave them an political advantage. And of course, right now, The dems are driving that bus... life's rough, but then, mormons get this. It has been since our inception.

Resident
Spanish Fork, UT

@ Ex-Pat of Zion (and all who are against polarization)

When given the opportunity to either support good or evil, you're saying we shouldn't polarize to the good? I believe that following liberalism is following evil. (whether Republican or Democrat) Liberalism goes against the gospel in so many ways and you've got to be fairly blinded not to see that. As we get closer to the Second Coming, we will see the people get worse and worse. Why is it becoming more popular to be liberal; more politically correct supported by Hollywood; supported by abortion rights groups; supported by homosexuality; supported by the lazy, entitlement, greedy, want something for nothing citizens? Just because they have an appearance of good does not mean they are. They are power hungry people.

Any member of the church should know this to be wrong. It's time for good to unite and reject evil. It's time to vote for those who will uphold the constitution. Sadly the voice of the people is going to continue to get more corrupt as prophesied. I hope you're on the right side of history.

Uncle Charles
Where freedom and liberty reign, utah

@UtahBlueDevil: you know what they say about statistics, right? And the word is higher, not hire. You also might want to look at how many EU countries are starting to get rid of government employees and trying to reduce the size of the welfare state.

You do know what's going on in France, right? Wanna go clean up the trash?

I notice that you didn't source your claim of what Benson said. And I also notice that you completely ignored what he said regarding the US embracing Socialism from within--- Krushev said the same thing to him.

I also notice you didn't take on Pres. McKay's talks from both Gen Conf from 1966 regarding the dangers of Socialism.

For LDS members who wish to claim that the policies of the Democrat Party are in line with gospel principles, please lay out your case. I've never seen anyone do it before.

@The Caravan Moves on: one point of clarification in your post (which is a great one) the Republican party is no different that the Democrat party in many, many ways. Bush and crowd expanded government intervention in numerous ways.

Conservatives want limited government.

Lasvegaspam
Henderson, NV

LDS Liberal: Rather than weep with Mormon, open your eyes to the changes in your party over the past 50 years and see where “greed, pride and selfishness” are actually found.

Rush Limbaugh is today ranked as the 10th highest charitable giver among celebrities. Of course he does not toot his own horn about this fact. One would have to do some research to learn the truth.

Interestingly, Barack Obama’s charitable giving record is downright pathetic compared to, say, yours, LDS Lib, if you are active LDS.

The Chicago Tribune reported way back in Spring of ’07:

“The national average for charitable giving has long hovered at 2.2 percent of household income... Obama tax returns dating to 1997 show he fell WELL BELOW that benchmark until 2005, the year he arrived in Washington.”* (Giving far less than 1% in 2 years shown; in 3 of the years, around 1%; and only after their income skyrocketed, 4.7% and 6.1%) Conversely, that despot George W. Bush has given 8.17% to 10.2% since 2001.

Do you not know that in the Last Days “even the very elect” will be deceived?

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

'“The national average for charitable giving has long hovered at 2.2 percent of household income... Obama tax returns dating to 1997 show he fell WELL BELOW that benchmark...' - Lasvegaspam | 10:46 a.m. Oct. 28, 2010


So, giving is now required?

Isn't this like the 'strongly encouraged' 10%? I would have no issue with this, if there wasn't an audit at the end of the year about your 'giving.'

No, I think trying to work as president would be enough. Thank you very much.

Please, cite the 'donations' of Sarah Palin this last year, after she 'earned' $12 million dollars in 9 months.

*'Sarah Palin Has Earned an Estimated $12 Million Since July' - By MATTHEW MOSK - ABC News - 04/13/10



Lets look at the 'generosity' of Republicans who HAVEN'T quit their job, so far....


* 'Senate Republicans again kill bill for jobless aid' - By Stephen Ohlemacher - AP - Published by DSNews - 06/30/10

Line:
'Without an extension, 1.7 million of the 7 million people who have been without a job for at least six months will have lost their unemployment benefits by the end of this week, according to the Labor Department.'

Bill in Nebraska
Maryville, MO

Pagan:

What is trying to be demonstrated is that the President has never been a giving person much as most Democrats aren't.

It is proven that Republican Conservatives are more apt to give to charitable organizations than any other. This is where many liberals fall short. Do as I say not as I do.

It is not required by any means to be charitable or to aid the poor and needy. By the way MAN defines poor as those living in poverty and needy basically the same. I believe the Lord defines the poor as those poor in spirit and needy those who can't support themselves. If more people were willing to give whatever they could above the so called requirement we would have no poor, no needy and less poor in spirit. Since, you ask about Sarah Palin before you start casting stones, ask how much did I give to assist them. Did I give to help or to prosper from man? I gave but that doesn't mean it was sufficient but then again I believe that most can give more than they do.

charlie91342
Sylmar, CA

re - The Caravan Moves On | 7:15 p.m
you said:
"The other party in America today (Republicans) clearly wants an increase in personal responsibility and a decrease in reliance on government."
and you also said:
"The acceptance of homosexuality as a moral lifestyle (or not) will also play a large factor."

so - in other words, you want no government interference... unless you disagree with what the person does, and then you want government interference...

why do you think you can have it both ways? either the government stays out of people's lives (so it is up to the individual if they want a same sex marriage or an abortion), or the government intrudes into everyone's lives as they see fit.

it seems to me the standard position of the republican party (and teabaggers) is "leave us alone, unless we think it's wrong in which case make everyone obey us".

that's the problem with religion and republicans. you want to tell everyone what to do while saying "don't tell us what to do".

and no, I'm not gay - but I'm not a hypocrite either...

Uncle Charles
Where freedom and liberty reign, utah

Dear Charlie: it's clear that you don't understand the purpose of government. Caravan said a RELIANCE on government which is to be interpreted taxing one person to give that to another for the purpose of gaining votes and power.

Societies enact laws in all phases of life that reflect what they want for their communities. Homosexuality has been shunned by societies from the beginning of this earth. It's a behavior that is detrimental to society just like murder, adultery, stealing, cheating and lying. Coveting too which is the way of the Progressive these days.

Abortion is the killing of an innocent life -- it has nothing to do with the privacy of a woman.

If you don't like the laws of a city, state or nation, you are free to move to a place more to your liking.

Real Americans have rejected and are now again rejecting your choice of policies. Obama is going down in flames.

Your choice of calling the Tea Partiers a homosexual pejorative shows how classless you really are.

I'm stunned that the DNews censors let you through with your post like that.

You are a hypocrite -- the worst kind!

Citizen Doug
Ontario, OR

Most people think we "Mormons" vote always for Mormons. Not true. Mormons like Harry Reid are going in the wrong direction with his actions in Congress. Therefore, I will vote for his opponent. On the other hand, I believe Romney could really help this country, so that is why I would vote for him.

Jean Clelland-Morin
San Antonio, TX

As an ex-Mormon and grad of BYU, I definitely prefer Harry Reid over Glenn Beck. // Jean Clelland-Morin

ljeppson
North Salt Lake, UT

If the comments on this blog are any indication, Democrats are not welcome in LDS congregations or in the LDS community generally.

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