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Published: Wednesday, Oct. 27 2010 2:19 p.m. MDT

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@Charles
the greater outdoors, UT

Where did GWB go? have an appt to find out what his budget allotment is? LOL!

@Rox: Utah was voted as the best run state in the country. Not sure what mess you are referring to.

@radically_independent: While you attack the messenger you are unable to dismiss the message. What in all of Benson's speeches is incorrect? What hasn't come to pass?

It's funny how LDS folks dismiss Benson's speeches saying he wasn't speaking for the church then and yet never, ever show how Benson was wrong. Why is that?

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I don't care if anyone thinks I'm a Christian or not as it is irrelevant to anything relating to my personal relationship with Christ and my gospel understanding and my eternal progression.

I'd like to remind all those Evangelicals that they have no footing in the Christian debate. Either the Catholics are correct and have authority from Peter down to today or there was a need for a Restoration, not a Reformation.

Who really cares what Evangelicals think? Watch Sean McKearny? sometime and see how nutty Evangelicals are and how poorly they interpret the scriptures.

dalep2u
Herriman, UT

RE: USA

"I will defend my brother in his religious faith, which I share."

Not picking on you USA...but using a quote from your blog. This is the VERY reason that the bulk of Americans who are not LDS will not support an LDS candidate. They can't count on you protecting those that are NOT of your faith or beliefs. Having been LDS and left...I have a great distrust for LDS politicians. The "Culture" of being LDS has way too much hold on how they vote on issues.

Democrat
Provo, UT

RE: SSMD
In that quotation President Wilford Woodruff was talking specifically about the President of the Church (see Official Declaration 1).

Senator Reid was talking about then-ELDER Ezra Taft Benson (1960s and early 70s) and BYU President Ernest L. Wilkinson. In those days GA's still got involved in the political community. Hugh B. Brown stumpted for the Democrats and Ezra Taft Benson was a very conservative Republican. Many of Elder Benson's views in relation to the John Birch Society and other hard-right beliefs were NOT shared by President McKay or senior apostles such as Joseph Fielding Smith and Harold B. Lee who along with President Brown disagreed strongly with Elder Benson (this is documented in the David O. McKay Diaries...see "David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism".
Senator Reid's statement is accurate in that the conservative movement in Utah got a boost (and still does) from statements made by then-Elder Benson in the 1960s. He was not criticizing the Church president or Church leaders.

  • 2:59 p.m. Oct. 27, 2010
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XelaDave
Salem, UT

Last I checked about the only thing God really seems to care about is how you live your life in accordance with his plan- he does not seem to care much for your politics one way or another- hence we find his church all over the world in all types of political regimes and we find him telling us to render unto Caesar what is his- to suggest God favors capitlism or democracy or something like that seems to really miss the point of Gods plan and the vast circumsatnces his children live and have lived in for thousands of years- wealth accumulation and use of it for ones personal desires though is something I am pretty sure he is not in favor of- like always though people will distort the word of God to appease their own self interest no matter what we might be discussing- I do find it funny though that the highest ranking Mormon political actor ever is HR a dem from Nevada- and no Sec. of Ag. is not higher ranking- not an elected office- oh and per the Const. does not exist for you strict types

  • 3:04 p.m. Oct. 27, 2010
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MAFU
Salt Lake City, UT

GOP members of the LDS Church are going to hate the United Order and living the Law of Consecration.

Deej
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Man I'm glad UT has only 5 electoral votes. Some of the views espoused on here are woefully misinformed.

For example, still thinking Obama is a Muslim? Really?

worf
Mcallen, TX

How is it the LDS church can stay out of debt, but not the country?

SSMD
Silver Spring, MD

@ radically independent, Democrat:
Benson was an apostle for more than two decades before he became president, hence he was during that time sustained as a prophet, seer, and revelator. Reid did not specify a timeframe nor a context of his own criticism, and it seems presumptuous to assume he was talking only of Benson’s comments before Benson was a general authority, or when Benson was off duty, so to speak.
Democrat, are you serious, saying that Wilford Woodruff’s statement is applicable only to the Official Declaration? That the Lord would allow a prophet in some other scenario to lead the people astray?
Church leaders have frequently reminded us in General Conference and other settings that criticizing leaders is inappropriate and the beginning of the road to apostasy. It also undermines the unity of spirit we should be striving for and the faith of those that are new in the gospel. Reid’s statements in the news conference were clearly inappropriate.
Had been a member in the 1960s I may or may not have agreed with Hugh B. Brown’s political statements, but I think I would have had the class not to criticize him.

  • 3:35 p.m. Oct. 27, 2010
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LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

I give up...I can now honestly say I give up!

Trying to keep the Saints together is becoming impossible.
The civil divide we see as a nation, is nothing more the sifting of the wheat from the tares.

I share my tears with Mormon as he watched his "people" succum to greed, pride, and selfishness.

Rush Limbaugh and other talk radio hosts [who embody and preach greed, pride, and selfishness] have more of an influence on Utah Mormons than even LDS Prophets.

Woe is all I can say now.....

snowman
Provo, UT

GWB: It is not a requirement to pay tithing unless you are a regular temple attendee, otherwise it is a choice. Fast offerings go to help the poor not the tithing. Everyone pays the same Ward budget. We are not foced to pay any money to the church. There are some out there that just cannot afford insurance and they shouldn't be forced to. What should happen is that insurance should made affordable for all.

Ms.W
South Jordan, UT

Being a Mormon, Harry Reid would understand there is accountability for associating with a party or organization whose platform is anti-traditional family, promotes a Godless society, and abortion. Even if he himself does not condone those things, why is he a part of it? Actions speak louder than words. A Mormon in good standing disassociates himself and stays far away from the above. He goes to church alright, but just in case it's true.

Ms.W
South Jordan, UT

@LDS Liberal


The Lord wants to know who is on His side within His own church. If we follow the Prophet, not Harry Reid, we're on His side.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

For the record:
You can still be an LDS temple recommend holder and:
Not support Prop 8
Be pro-choice (ie believe abortion should be used only for cases of rape, incest and life-threatening situations but support women's right to make decisions affecting their bodies).

The LDS Church (obviously against abortion) does not take a stand on Roe v Wade though Harry Reid stated in the past he FAVORED overturning Roe v. Wade.

The LDS Church position is that Gospel principles can be found in BOTH parties.

BroJoseph
Ogden, UT

Like I have always said ....Mormons and Republicans can never MIX....The God of the Republican (Conservative Christian) is not the God of the Latter days Saints. Its trying to dilute a God of spirit without body, part, or passions into the God who is real ,tangeble and loving. There will always be division. Like being in the world and of the world iinstead of being an ensign or a standard to the world. Republicans will always pander to their God and expect Mormons to do the same in order to follow their political agenda

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

NeoCONs: want all the benefits derived from paying taxes WITHOUT ever actually paying any taxes.

MAFU
Salt Lake City, UT

Bro's and Sister's, specifically Ms. W & people of her ilk, please wake up and smell the postum!

Where did LDS Liberal ever mention in his post about following Harry Reid and not the Prophet?

Time to turn off the Temple of Doom Network (Fox News) and crack open a book, blog, or newspaper that is unbiased about what is taking place in our country right now.

Resident
Spanish Fork, UT

@ LDS Liberal

Under what authority do you condemn? You seem to think a lot about yourself and your political preference. Please remember that you do not speak for the church.

@ Ernest T. Bass

Nice rant, but hardly true.

@ MAFU

Please, if you think Fox News is not worthy, who do you suggest? I would assure you that most books, blogs, and newspapers are bias. (Like it or not)

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Harry Reid has openly criticized church leaders. Hardly something a faithful latter day saint should be doing. His decisions are his decisions, but when he's in the open spotlight and professes one thing while supporting another, then I get to question his motives. I can't judge him as a person, but I can judge him as a leader.

Nevada needs to do themselves a favor and vote him out. He is an Obama drone and a sure vote for his agenda.

USA
Salt Lake City, UT

@dalep2u

Thanks, I probably wasn't as clear as I should have been. My original post was an assertion of my brotherhood with Harry Reid because we are faithful Church members. Doesn't mean I would vote for him. My post was in reaction to posts by apparently fellow Church members who are so judgmental regarding Reid's sincerity as a member. See the very first post on this thread.

DRay
Roy, UT

"worf:" "how is it the LDS Church can stay out of debt but not the country?" good statement to ponder. The LDS church sets a great example of sound fiscal policies that the nation would do well to follow.

@Charles
the greater outdoors, UT

@LDS Lib: you continue to crack me up. You still don't know the difference between force and free will.

So now it's greed, pride and selfishness to want to provide for your own family. Okay, we understand. Have you ever read the 10th commandment? Maybe you should. Your understanding of the gospel principles is sorely lacking.

Christ never forces anyone to do good --- you and Obama/Pelosi/Reid do. What side are you really on?

@Democrat: can you tell us how any of Benson's talks are false, not coming to pass, out of line with the scriptures and gospel? Just curious where he got it wrong.

You might want to read Pres. McKay's talks in both conferences in 1966. He and Benson pretty much were on the same page.

@ETBass: you continue to show your lack of knowledge about conservatives.

@MAFU: okay, we get it --- you don't like Fox News. Since they are so bad and so wrong, please, oh please, tell us from what fount you gain your wisdom and knowledge.

MSNBC?
NYT?
MediaMatters?
Moveon.org?
NPR?
BostonGlobe?
Time/Newsweek?
Soros?

Enlighten all of us on where we can find your truth.

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