I wish Corroon would have spent more effort telling me about himself, his goals,
and his plans, and would have spent less effort giving me his opinion on Gov.
Herbert.Corroon already knows what everyone else has known for a
long time. He's not only going to lose the election but Herbert is going to win
Republicans are exactly what is wrong with Utah.
Considering that the only time people see the names of the third party
candidates is in SOME of the polls. How can they ever get any votes? What do they stand for? Why are they running? Why won't they get coverage?Part of me wants to vote third party just because the two party system
is a joke, but I wish you'd give me a balanced view of the choices, instead of
just what the two lead ponies are saying.
If you go negative in Utah, you will almost always lose. Of course,
we wouldn't expect Peter Corroon to realize that since his win in the Salt Lake
County mayoral election was a rare exception to that rule. It will
come back to bite him in the long run. At least he is smart enough to try and
yet have a political position to fall back to when he loses. I hope
we keep Gov. Herbert around for a while. He has the potential to be one of the
best governors our state has seen.
The question that still hasn't been answered to the satisfaction of most is
"Where did the state (UDOT) come up with an extra $13 million to pay off a
disgruntled bidder"? The populus only hears that we need to cut back, tighten
our belts, and work through the state's financial problems by doing with less.
Education took a hit as well as the retirement of all State workers and
teachers. Having no political affilliation one way or another (I am an
Independant), I find this banter between both candidates particularly
counterproductive when it comes to the real issues. And regardless of who is
blaming whom, we still want to know: just where does the State come up with an
extra $13 million to pad their UDOT budget for any lawsuits or disgruntled
contractors in these hard economic times? And if the Gov didn't know about
Stanfunky: Tell me you wouldn't be testy if everything that anyone else
did wrong was turned to being your fault. He has given solid responses but
people like you and Corroon refuse to listen. UDOT was responsible for the
settlement and had nothing to do with the Governor. Herbert wasn't responsible
nor did HE claim to have saved the tax payers money on it. He answered the
accusations and so did the Director of UDOT. Didn't you listen? It was a UDOT
decision made by Njord. Not the Governor. How much more clear do you want it?
So tell me where there was no solid defense nor deflection?
Before anyone gets all excited about this article, remember that surveys and
their results can be interpreted in many ways. I would like to see the full
statistics of the survey, especially since it's such a small sample size.
Herbert's campaign has been really testy about everything brought up by Corroon,
without any solid response or deflection of the accusations. I would like to
see Herbert come out and explain the $13 million and how he saved Utah taxpayers
a costly lawsuit for many millions more, or whatever his logic was. If he does,
it will give him a landslide victory and turn opinion in his favor. Ignoring it
and giving soft answers won't.
Corroon should sack his campaign manager. He's given Peter nothing but bad
advice from the start. Peter is s smart guy but he is working with people who
obviously don't have a clue.
RE: Guy with A Brain?Define liberalWanting to raise the
State's education requirements is not an idea I would consider as liberal. Remember: Last in the nation!
Pagan:You are stating comments that are innuendos and headline grabbers.
Corroon has not come clean about his own contributions because as he has said
"he is following the law and doesn't have to". But since he can point fingers
at Herbert, he's doing it. Well, that finger may come back at him. The
Governor has been given information about Corroon that he chooses not to use
because he wants to debate on what they propose in running the state. Corroon
doesn't even know the BLM signed off on oil drilling rights. Lifelong
Democrat:The money that was settled by UDOT (not the governor) could not
have gone to schools. It is a separate fund. Too bad you believe Corroon and
he doesn't know any better. He should have done research rather than sling mud.
A liberal, negative Democrat is losing in Utah?Good!My
faith in my home state is still intact.Remember in November!!
I don't consider Mayor Corroon's ads as negative, but I suppose it's like
labeling all Demorcrats as liberals. $13 million would have served a better
purpose in the State education budget. I guess it's all about perception. I
will still vote for Mayor Corroon as I haven't been able to grasp what Governor
Herbert has done for this state.
RE:PaganPoint well made. So it is further to your point that this is
what I want to hear more about. Stuff exactly like this. I'll say I'm only
mildly active as a political participant and all that has received headlines is
Rob Blago comparisons. You have communicated to me better than Corroon has and
all you did was post a multi-paragraph article on here. If you follow just the
general news I have heard very very little about what Corroon OR Herbert are
planning to do or have done. Give me substance as you have Pagan, but stupid
comparisons which mean nothing to me are not worth the paper or Mac space they
are written on. That was my thoughts when I read the Blago stuff. Although I
tend to lean conservative I am not opposed to a candidate who has superior ideas
be they democrat or republican. Corroon just isn't giving me that.
Let me try this again -- I've been censored every time I posted this before.Corroon is being blamed for being a whistle-blower, exposting ethical
problems in the governor's office. That is a good thing to do. He should be
praised, not condemned, for shining the light of day on what's been happening.
That's not negarive campaigning in any way.
I voted for Mayor Corroon because his opponent was still slinging mudd up until
the day of the election. I will NOT be voting for Mayor Corroon this time for
the same reason regardless if he has stopped slinging mudd prior to the
Question | 12:37 p.m., You claim I am carefully manipulating
the information... and yet, I provided date, source, author, title
and quote. I apologize if you think I'm not giving 'full disclosure'
in this case, but I think that has less to do with me. Let me be
clear. I care, what Herbert feels. His platform is the same as Corroons on this
blended, depleted uranium... however the fact is, 5,000 barrels of
the stuff made it to Utah. Prove I am manipulating this
information. Also, you yourself admit, more research needs to be
done. And yet, again, 5,000 barrels wait on Utah soil.
So 1) Herbert has failed at keeping this blended depleted uranium OUT of Utah.
2) We do not know if it is in 'acceptable' radiation levels and 3)
I did not manipulate or craft any information that you could not find
yourself. At this point, it's all opinion. You think it's
fine. I do not. That is your opinion. Howver the fact
is, depsite the same campaign promises and platforms as Corroon....
Herbert did not keep this radioactive waste out of Utah.
I voted against Huntsman last time and I was looking for a reason to vote for
Corroon because I'm tired of the same...um... stuff every time. But you messed
it up Pete. Comparing Herbie to Rod Blagojevich just lost what credibility you
Too bad we don't have a binding "None of the Above" ballot option.
Once again the Dems demonstrate their only true capability...personal attacks,
stretched half-truths, and blatant lies.Fortunately, most Americans
have finally opened their eyes and realized what the Dems have to
offer...nothing!Mayor Peter should be ashamed. I am a life long
Repub and HE HAD MY VOTE until all of the negative adds and childish tantrums.
Peter looked like a complete idiot when Herbert asked him who issues
the drilling permits that Peter Cartoon was accusing the Gov of issuing to
campaign donators...and Cartoon answered the govenor issues the permits. Herbert
corrected Cartoon and informed that the Feds issue the permits, not the state.
Seems like basic information a candidate for Gov might want to understand before
making wild accusations.Peter is done, the election is over long
before the first vote is even cast.First Rocky, now Peter. If I were
a democrat in this state, I'd be wondering if the gene pool isn't getting very
shallow among dems!I am impressed with Sam Granado...maybe at least
one dem will get a vote from me.
My biggest problem with Corroon is that he keeps saying that he has a 10 year
plan to improve education, but I have yet to hear what is in this plan, and in
the meantime, he is accusing the Governor of not making education a priority.
This accusation is completely false since the Legislature sets the education
budget and it takes up over two-thirds of the entire State's budget. The only
way that we are going to get more money for education is for the Legislature to
either raise all of our taxes significantly, or cut other programs
significantly. Since the general population doesn't like either of these
approaches, what do you expect them to do? Utah is actually doing better than
most states in the nation, so we should proud of what our government has been
doing so far, because it could be a lot worse.
No one called me and I voted for Peter.
Pagan,You didn't fabricate what you posted. But you parsed VERY
carefully the entirety of the information out there to exclude anything that
didn't make your case and carefully avoided well known statements where
Governor_Herbert made it perfectly clear that he also doesn't approve of
accepting "blended_waste" or accepting higher levels of radioactive waste.It was a good spin, but if you pretend it represents the whole
subject... it falls flat.Fact is... Herbert has basically the
same position as Corroon on accepting higher levels of radioactive waste.We can debate the depleted_uranium_shipment, but the fact is... Gov
Herbert was instramental in blocking it (after learning it may not actually be
level-1 waste after all). That topic needs more research before we
decide if it's really level-1 (the lowest commercial level of radioctivity). If
not... it's not acceptable.Corroon said... "This is just
a snapshot in time, and there's a lot of things that can happen in two weeks and
we're still getting our message out."I hope the message is more than
the "Herbert steels from kids, he stomps kids brains out and eats them" balony
campaign so far.
For me, character is perhaps the most important thing I look for in a governor.
Look at the ads and form your own opinion regarding which candidate has the
greatest degree of character... then vote for him.
Corroon is a liberal....and if we have learned anything from Obama...it is that
LIBERALISM FAILS!I will never vote for another liberal...ever!
#1 lowest per pupil what we spend
As a Republican (a former county chair), it would be hard for me to vote for a
Democrat as governor of my state.But if the Republican incumbent had
received over $80,000 in campaign contributions from a contractor that was
awarded a billion-dollar road project on highly subjective criteria, had
personally met with that contractor twice, and later claimed to have no
knowledge of a $13 million payment to keep the second-place bidder quiet, I
would be forced to conclude my party had held the governorship for way too long.
As a Latter-Day Saint I always want to believe the very best about
anyone...especially members of my own church. I'd like to believe Utah
government was above corruption.But as a former GOP gubernatorial
campaign aid assigned to investigate corruption in UDOT way back in 1972 under
Cal Rampton, I have to tell you Utah governmment stinks to high heaven. It did
than and it does now. That campaign refused to go negative for fear Utahs would
not believe the truth.Shades of the Salt Lake Olympics corruption
before Romney.Utah government is no positive advertisement for the
GOP or the LDS Church.
Someone in the Corroon campaign - a trusted advisor of some sort I guess - gave
Mayor Corroon the advice to go negative. Whoever they are, they should now be
fired. If the Mayor fired that person publicly, and apologized for the damage
that was done I think he could pick up 15 points in the polls. (I think that
the people are just looking for ANY excuse not to vote for Herbert.)As far as comparing Herbert to Blago - that was just stupid. In fact, it
reflects the slash-and-burn of Chicago politics. It is Corroon's advisors, and
not Hebert, that are doing things the "Chicago Way." I wonder if Corroon got
any of this advice from the national party?"All politics are local"
Tip O'Neil used to say. Corroon needs to campaign the Utah way - whether he
likes it or not.
Corroon has solidified his position in my mind as a mudslinger. That, combined
with his weak ethics displayed by the semi-legal police tax make me really want
to work to make sure someone else is elected as our next County Mayor.
Corroon had two things working against him; he's a Demo. in a VERY DOMINANTLY
Republican state.He raised taxes....(fees).Now he can
add a 3rd thing: He runs negative campaign ads.
Fact: Negative campaigning NEVER works.Hanksboy - I agree with you.
Corroon has OUTED his character. I have directed 3 landslide winning
campaigns even when the candidate had dropped in the polls below his opponent.
Sadly, the way Corroon's campaigning is going now, he's going to lose. I'm a
democrat who wants a democrat as Governor, but not this way, not when Corroon is
playing this way.
‘Matheson, Corroon oppose Utah accepting blended N-waste’ —
By Amy Joi O’Donoghue — DSNews — 10/17/10‘Herbert's spokeswoman, Angie Welling (sic) also added that if standards
cannot be met to ensure the health and safety of the public, the depleted
uranium that has arrived in Utah will be moved elsewhere, according to an
agreement brokered with federal regulators.’ Herbert has
allowed 5,000 barrels of blended, depeleted uranium waste into Utah. His
'defense' is that more has not come. And yet, we are unsure if it is
even safe. Corroon has been against it. This may
sound like mud slinging. However, I have not fabricated any of this.
It is all based on facts, printed by this very paper. Vote as you
like. Research the canidates. I know were my vote goes.
The fact is simple, when you can't beat a Conservative successful platform, the
thing to do is slander the candidate. When that backfires, YOU WIDEN THE GAP,
then you lose even worse than you would have otherwise. Too bad!
I listened to the debate between the two candidates as they discussed public
school funding. Coroon had much to say about Herbert's alleged failure to
properly fund education. Unfortunately, Coroon neglected to mention what he
would do to rectify this. Will he increase our taxes to do this? If not, what
existing programs would he eliminate in order to put more funds into education?
It's easy to criticize, but much more difficult to suggest a solution.
How can two men with the same political beliefs, but from different political
parties run against each other? Make a fuss and hope something sticks!!
Do you remember when Herbert implied that Corroon was trying to destroy the LDS
seminary program and that his children attend "Catholic" schools. Isn't Herbert
playing the "religion" card? Herbert seems to be in over his head as governor,
even letting UDOT pull off the $13 million dollar giveaway with little
oversight. We need a stronger governor.
Plus...Corroon is a Democrat, and because of what the Democrats
(Obama/Reid/Pelosi/Matheson) have done to this country, I will never vote for
another Democrat--ever! They should all be ashamed of themselves.
This isn't specifically a comment on this race, but I do wonder why the Des News
continues to use Dan Jones and Associates for its own polls when Dan Jones is
retained by one of the campaigns it is reporting on. Are you not worried about
conflicts of interest? I know campaigns well enough to know that pollsters are
not independent parties viewing the state of the race. They have agendas, too.
Let's say the negative campaigning was working. Wouldn't Dan Jones (Herbert's
pollster) have an incentive to make Caroon's camp think it wasn't working? or
to make people who are responding to Caroon's negative campaigning think that
their neighbors are not? I wish the Des News would find outside pollsters for
races when Dan Jones has taken a side.And, for the record, I am a
Republican and don't have any gripes against Dan Jones and Assoc.--I just wish
we had more independent reporting.
I thought the Rod B. comparison was about as mature as an elementary school
ground scuffle. Sometimes I just wonder at the intellect and wisdom of our
politicians, especially someone like Corroon. Most of us expect a lot more than
Gary Herbert may not be impressive, but he is effective. Give me a workhorse
over a showhorse any day.
Two weeks is a lifetime in a political campaign, my hope is that both candidates
will continue to reach out to the genearal population and inspire participation.
It is hard to inspire when mud is being flung, the electorate is disillusioned
by politics that lack hope and vision.
I was very open to listening to what Corroon had to say because frankly I have
not been over impressed with Herbert but, for better or worse, I do prefer a
candidate who sticks to the issues. Comparing Herbert to Blago is in my opinion
ludicrous and even if it wasn't, tell me what you believe Peter, tell me what
you are going to do. So far all you have said is what is so wrong about Herbert
but that says nothing about what is so right (or left) about you.Stick to the issues, very simple. It is a bit refreshing that the negatives
haven't worked because there is nothing more lame than when both candidates
engage in total negativity as we don't learn anything about what they are going
Double standard in Utah (and elsewhere) still going strong. I don't agree with
negative campaigns, but the right is waging a no holds barred assault on the
democrats.The new republican (doesn't matter whether in or out of
the Church)reminds me a lot of the king men. Leaders on the right are not doing
a thing to help the "chief judge" and "glad in their hearts" at the failing
policies.The excuse "we're doing this to protect our children's
future" is lame. First, what you ARE teaching them is a lack of respect for
authority. Democrats aren't immune (re: Rocky)either, but remember when your
kid snaps back at you the source of that education. Second, living on the edge
with respect to spending (democrats)or natural resources depletion (republicans)
robs your children of a secure future one way or another.Admittedly
broad generalizations, but the net so cast is, in my opinion, representative.
They are both terrible candidates, IMO. What a sad state of affairs we are in
with regard to our local politics. I intend to vote for the independent
candidate purely on priciple.
I have to agree that the negative tone in Mayor Corroon's advertisements where a
turn-off. I use to respect the Mayor as the Mayor. He seemed fair and was
doing a good job. In his run for governor his innuendos could not be proven and
make him seem like just any sleazy, desperate politician. I no longer hold a
positive opinion of the Mayor.
Going negative is the act of a desperate candidate. I just don't
understand why he wants to ruin his reputation for future races. He has no
chance to win this and he's just causing everyone in the state to lose respect
for him. He has to look ahead to his future and he's wrecking that by these
I and many friends had a interest in voting for Mr. Corroon but as mentioned the
negative comments changing many votes. The plus side of Mr. Carroon was his
stand on illegal immigration. Had he addressed this with a clearer message of
what he would do if elected he may have gained more votes. He runs a tight
program which I like, he has mentioned his concerns on illegal immigration which
he out-lined a more definitive direction. Our current Governor has gone the
same direction most politicians are doing which IS nothing trying to pacify the
voters to be re-elected. Instead of caving into the illegal propontents who push
for illegal immigration we need people who stand up for the law and the country.
We are weak and looking at our current Governor and elected offcials State, City
and in Washington we are in trouble. Why is it so hard to follow the law of the
land. We don't need to cater to people who break our laws, but we do and they
are getting stronger while we pay with giving them benefits some of our citizens
fail to get. We need leaders who represent AMERICANS.