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Published: Tuesday, Oct. 12 2010 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Kaysville, UT

To understand that homosexuality is unnatural, all you have to do is think about this: Suppose we all decided to live a strictly homosexual lifestyle, the human race would be COMPLETELY GONE in one generation, PERIOD. I realize it is very difficult to deal with same-sex attraction, but it is unnatural. The natural man is attracted to sin in every form. The purpose of our life is to yield to the enticings of the Holy Spirit and put off the natural man in every way and become a Saint. We are not alone. The Savior is there to help us become like Him and to overcome all sin.

Springville, UT

I think that the church is being hypocritical. Such an opinion will probably not be printed in Happy Valley but the church needs to take a hard look at itself and the practices of it's leadership.

Springville, UT

TMR are you uncomfortable with an honest dialogue?

Ogden, UT

The activists are responding to the terrible timing of that talk. Come on, I bet even the PR people in the church office building groaned!! The week all the news about the teen suicides breaks is the week that talk is given?! We do not condone the violence against gays but our minds and hearts are not open. Or we would feel a little embarrassed about that timing. Be honest, how many of us thought, Really? This week? Can't we be a little sensitive rather than thinking we are always right and speak for God?

Fresno, CA

They believe they can pressure the church into changing the doctrine, because they have been able to pressure other churches into changing theirs.

@ Pagan

"Live and let live" is that what you called the terrorism that occurred here in California when we, the voters, voted against what YOU wanted? My elderly and widowed neighbor had her home vandalized several times by those opposing Prop 8. Is THAT what you mean by "live and let live?" What about the death threats my friends received against their children for their support of Prop. 8? More "live and let live"?

Your group's actions speak soooooo much louder than your words! So how dare you preach to anyone "live and let live"?! That is completely hypocritical. And if you don't like the way we Californians vote (of which Mormons are a minority) simply don't move here.

John Adams
Miami, FL

This is nothing more than a continuation of the war in heaven here on earth--a war not of bullets, but a war of ideologies.

Charlottesville, VA

The Trib reports that HRC spokesman Michael Cole wrote in an email, “Science tells us that same-sex attraction is completely normal, and that it can’t be changed."

Any "science" that says that has become too politicized to tell the truth. Same-sex attraction occurs in a minority of the population, so whether or not it is "normal" is a value judgment, not an empirical observation.

The idea that it can't be changed is completely false. Perhaps for some people it can't, but others can change, and many have. That is indisputable. But for HRC, it is, to borrow a line from a different debate, "an inconvenient truth."

Saint George, UT

Same sex attraction is just like anger and other temptations and weaknesses that people are born with. We all have commandments that are difficult for us personally. But in order to receive all the blessings the Lord has prepared for us, we must overcome certain things. I feel for those who must deal with this and if they choose to embrace those feelings that is their choice, but it is indeed against the commandments of the Lord.

Saint George, UT

The funny thing is, if for some reason the church changed their stance on this issue, it would not be good enough. Some people just need to be the minority, they need to be 'hated' by somebody to be happy. If it changed, they would then mock the church for being weak and claim that it must not be true because the church changed to fit the world. But God truly is leading The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints; it will not change because He does not change.

Gillette, WY

There are so many GREAT comments all I can say is ditto to most of you! There are those few that just don't get it and they never will.

Provo, UT

@Robert from St. George
I really appreciated Robert's comments. So often members of the church fall short of the standards of love, tolerance and kindness that have been preached consistently by Church leaders for decades. We're all imperfect, and we all have things we need to work on. Some struggle with homosexual tendencies; others struggle (obviously) with being judgmental.

Gay members of the Church do have a tougher time than others, though. Maybe it's because they are often more open about their struggles than most members are accustomed to being. For example, I struggle with a persistent desire to view pornography. If I were to come "out of the closet", so to speak, and tell everybody about this weakness, I bet my experience would be a lot like Robert's: I would expect to feel judged by a lot of people. So I keep it between the Bishop and me.

Now, is that to say people struggling with homosexual urges should just keep their mouths shut, then? No... but I wish that everybody at church would pretend a bit less to be infallible, acknowledge their own weaknesses, stop judging and start showing more kindness.

Bill in Nebraska
Omaha, NE

To Pagan:

The Church has been steadfast in its doctrine and what it will do considering a MORAL issue. We do not consider same-sex marriage as a civil right issue but a moral issue. We will stand against such where ever it comes up especially where it is put to a vote by the PEOPLE not judges.

This is the problem between the LGBT and the Church. You have been informed of this on numerous occassions and again it was restated again. In other words, President Packer didn't recant his statements at all. President Kimball reinterated the same comments years ago in the Miracle for Forgiveness and nothing President Packer stated during conference changed that.

Again the Church restated that having tendencies is not a sin but ACTING upon those tendencies is. We are not in the same class as most animals. We have the ability to think and CHOOSE for ourselves. We are here to act not to be acted upon. Whether they can completely overcome the tendency or not is not the problem here. What is expected is that they to be members in good standing must not act upon the tendency.

Vista, ca

Brother Otterman's statement was right on!
I can only hope the GLBT pays attention...

west jordan, ut

I still don't understand how the word "hate" ever became a part of Elder Packers talk. I also don't understand how Bebyebe can state the church forces anyone to do anything. It is simple, if you don't believe then follow your faith whatever it may be. If you believe then follow the counsel of the brethen. I have never been forced, my children have never been forced and I will never try to force anyone I know. I have gay members in my extended family and I do not treat them any different. Is there prejudice from others? Yes there is, we will never have an all loving world who will except everyone or everything. I don't agree with their practice but I exept them and love them for who they are. We are all children of our Heavenly Father, he will always love us no matter what.

Pleasant Grove, UT

Two opposing statements:

- Your actions are dictated by biology; you cannot change.
- Through the power of Christ you can be made free.

Don't blame President Packer for the suicides. His message is the one that offers hope.

Dave from Taylorsville
Taylorsville, UT

Gracious George said, "HRC likely is doing what they are doing because they feel like Salt Lake City is unresponsive to their concerns."

Salt Lake City (LDS Church) is just not giving the response you want; and so you deem they are "unresponsive".

South Jordan, UT

@Robert in St. George. I agree with your post on this thread as well. I'm a straight, unmarried woman, and have been ignored and left out of many things related to church over the years. It is hard not to take it personally. But truthfully, I think many people are simply afraid of what they don't know. They don't know how to act around you, but really, they should just act normally and treat you as they would treat anyone else. Some people just can't seem to grasp that concept!

Kudos to you for sticking with the church for its doctrine rather than some of its culture. Also, there are plenty of us out here (gay and straight) who are celibate, so you're not alone! :-)

Please hang in there. It will get better in time. It might take a while, but there are becoming more of us who care and who are not afraid. I love the Lord with all my heart. And I know He loves you.

Scottsdale, az

I commend the church for not sweeping Elder Packer's comments under the rug; it is a first step. THIS statement was great....in theory. As you can see from previous comments, the hatred, ignorance and misconceptions about gay people will forever foster an unwelcoming and hostile environment to gay members. Sure, come to church, announce your gay and that you are not having sex and we all will embrace and welcome you. We all know that is NOT how it is in real life. IF you active, devoted LDS following this topic, are truly adhering to what was said in the statement, you would CHANGE your mindset and your heart. No matter how many times you go to the temple or do your hometeaching, the prejudice you demonstrate to your children and community speaks the loudest. You will be held accountable. Do the right thing and stand up against the rest of the LDS members who do not have the courage to act Christian; I know I am. Redeem our standing in the world.

Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
Provo, UT

"Do not preach love and compassion to the gay community, then turn around and say you are practicing your faith by supporting your leader who has counseled you to serve and minister to the LGBT community." Gracious George

Does anyone else see the irony here? Or is it sarcasm and I just missed it?

I really like Robert, ProvoLow and InUtahbutnotofUtah's comments. So many people in the church are quick to judge and slow to put in practice what they preach. You'd never guess our greatest desire in life is to become more like Jesus Christ based on the behavior of quite a few of us.

Best of luck to all those who are struggling with same gender attraction or anything else. It is not easy to follow in His footsteps. There is another who tries very hard to get us to go a different way.

Draper, UT

I ask this:

If a leader of another church expressed feeling of descrimination, hatred and bigotry towards members of the LDS church, would those defending Packer's statements also defend those statements? Uh, no, they would not.

Bigotry is an amazing thing. Those who are pro-bigotry towards others are always anti-bigotry when it is directed towards themselves.

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