re: woodman123How do you know that the coach didn't ask him about it? How
do you know that what he found out didn't deserve a suspension? What do you
want the coach to do become a private eye in his off hours. He has got around
90 other kids and a football team to coach. I really don't believe that the
coach cared which two games the suspension was for. It just doesn't matter.
Who knows what really went on. Yea he had a gun, and he pointed at people. The
court will take care of the issue. I don't know what to think about playing
football or not. I just hope the best for him
JintheCouv, how wrong can you be??? Don’t punish/suspend this kid until
he is found guilty in court? Wrong — just plain wrong. The
coach has a duty to sit the kid down and ask him directly about his actions. If
he thinks he is lying, ask other witnesses. This should have been done as soon
as the incident was known to the coach which I suspect was within days of it
happening. Based upon the Coach’s findings a punishment should have been
given. If the incident happened as reported in the paper, he should have been
suspended for the season. I do agree with your last point. If
suspended for the season, the Coach should encourage him to stay involved in the
program. If the kid wants a second chance let him earn it — but that
chance would have to come if Whittingham or any other College coach were to
offer it.Suspending him for two easy games in the middle of the
season makes it look like the Coach is trying to sweep this under the rug which
I suspect is exactly what is going on. Perhaps the UHSAA should get involved!
Chris B. and the other Ute Trolls in here. . . trash talk is one thing, but quit
baiting people with outlandish statements.Yankee Doodle- I made
mistake when I was a teenager. I got drunk on a camping trip with some friends
(first and last time for that), got caught TPing a friends house, and I took
some sodas from a broken vending machine.However, I have never been
involved in armed robbery. I have never stolen something from someone
face-to-face, much less their money and ID (and what ever else was in the
wallets). To point a gun at someone as a lark or "in jest" is STUPID. To point
a gun at someone and rob them, that's CRIMINAL!If the young man is
found guilty, he should AT LEAST be on a heavy probationary program - no high
school football - and, after a lot of counciling and rehabilitative work, be
allowed to enter college and let them decide if he's to play football at that
The seriousness of the charges go well beyond the discipinary discretion of the
Principal and Coach. If the UHSAA does not step in and issue which should be an
indefinite suspension until further inquiry into the matter then they have
underscored the seriousness. A two game suspension would be practical in a
simple cas of something of the nature of a simple assault...say as to a case of
fisticuffs between students after classes. But the article clearly indicates
that a potential life killing weapon was used. This goes well beyond the scope
of a mere principal and a coach
The kid should be suspended for the whole season. No ifs ands or buts. If I
was a University, I'd not touch him with a 10 foot pole. He's going to be lucky
not to go to jail. So much for his college football career. Maybe a D2 school
after jail, eh? Hearing that he's a good kid but just made a mistake doesn't
cut it.Peck needs to have the guts to suspend him.
Wow, two game suspension... and we wonder why athletes tend to think of
themselves as entitled above-the-law types...
I wonder what the kids who were held at gunpoint would want. Holding innocent
victims at gunpoint is serious. Missing games against Kearns and Copperhills is
a joke. If Coach Peck knew before the season started that this crime had
happened why didn't he act then instead of waiting until half way through the
season. I don't care what anyone says this was poor judgement by the coach and
he should be severly reprimanded or even fired. Poor poor judgement coach Peck.
I'm a proud graduate of both Bingham High School and BYU. As both, I see a
number of big problems here.1. I would NEVER support a suspension
based on an accusation. Nobody should get suspended until the truth is
ascertained. No way BHS should suspend him just because he's arrested. Not
until they know everything.2. I would NEVER support a suspension for
committing a crime until the courts have ruled.3. I would definitely
support a suspension by the school or coach based on a violation of team rules
or code of conduct -- once the truth is known. But it should happen AS SOON AS
the truth is known (not timed for the easiest games of the year).4.
If there is a suspension for commission of a crime or violation of team rules,
it should come with a caveat that the kid stay involved in the school and in the
athletic program (football, in this case) in order to be reinstated. That way,
you get the "football helps him with life" thing.5. Chris B is a
typical Ute fan -- every talented felon is welcome!!
Typical Bingham response. Win first, everything else second.
The coach and administration failed this player. He should have been suspended
for the year. Winning does not make it ok to break the law. This has tarnished
high school football and the student athlete. The Jordan District should take
this serious and look into this.
There are many parts of this story that demonstrate where we are as a society.
As a current coach in a high school these are my thoughts: Firstly,
if this was my son, I would be disappointed in him, and that would be the end of
football period.Secondly, school sports and activities are a
privilege and armed robbery should definitely be a reason for suspension. If
the young man wanted to play football he should have thought through his
actions. And I agree with many former posts, that the coach should have
suspended him UNTIL this issue was resolved. Football or not, it
didn't help the kid before he made a poor choice and I doubt it is making any
difference currently. If football is the only reason the kid stays out of
trouble, he is in trouble for the future.Lastly, Armed Robbery is
VERY SERIOUS. There is no way to sugar coat it. This is serious issue. If one
of those five boys he robbed were my kids, I want this guy not only off the
football team but in JAIL to think about his contributions to society.
We can all express our thought and feeling here but what good is it going to do?
What we really need to do is express our concerns and feeling to Jordan School
District and Utah High School Sports Association get them involved. This is a
serious crime and I know as a parent of young kids this really concerns me. If I understand right players getting in to a fight on the field get suspended
for 2 games or when coaches What are we teaching our children if we think
this is ok and it was just a mistake. A mistake is cutting class, or getting
into a fight but not pulling a gun on other people.
re: HSFANWhat's wrong with BT1984 defending them? It's too bad our
Judicial system takes so long to get anything resolved. With this happening
earlier this spring it should have all been overwith by now. It sure is funny
how everyone keeps bringing up the timing of the suspensions. You would think
that the whole team is going to collapse without one player. The outcome will
be the same this year with or without him.
As far as the player, I really hope Seni turns this around. I don't know him
personally, but I understand he has had it tough. I wish him the best and hope
he is able to put this behind him, which includes the punishment that comes. Maybe he does deserve a second chance, after he has made restitution. As
far as playing in college, I am sure Kyle W will evaluate the entire situation.
Hopefully it turns out well for Seni.
I love BT1984. Dude, you look foolish. You defend the actions of ANY Bingham
player or coach no matter what. Stop with the excuses. Grow up!!! How would you have handled it? Can't think for yourself huh? Let me guess...
you would have handled it.... ummm.....ummmm.....ummmm.... oh yeah.... exactly
how the Bingham coaches and administration did. That was perfect. He is
innocent... blah blah blah. He hasn't been found guilty yet? Are you serious?
No, not in court. I know you Bingham apologists kept going to the code of ethics
and how it states... 'until he is convicted the coaches will not suspend him.
Now that Peck has suspended him, you are OK. Can't have it both ways. Either go
by the letter of the law when it comes to the 'code' or not. Which way is it?Perfect timing, not to have him, not for the playoffs or Riverton, not
for Alta and Viewmont, but Kearns and CH. Nice!Oh and the comments
are not 'judges' they are people expressing opinions, you know kind of like your
opinion that Bingham can do no wrong. Get out there are recruit my man.
@ onewhowatchesTo answer your question . . . last year the
basketball coach at Hunter High School had some misdemeanor assault charges
filed against him, and he was asked to take a leave of absence from coaching and
teaching until the charges were dropped, or until the trial was over. He was not
allowed on school grounds until all was settled. So does that answer your
question? and to all those who don't think this kid deserves to be
punished i ask; what if he had held your kids at gun point and robbed them?
would you still be saying "kids make mistakes"?
There seem to be plenty of judges on this board who've found Seni guilty and are
ready to sentence not only him but Bingham High School in general.Would it
suit you self-proclaimed judges if the Bingham football team were disbanded?
No?Maybe it would satisfy you to see the entire Bingham coaching staff and
administration were all fired? No?Ok, let's just shut down the school.
One student has been charged with a crime so the whole place is rotten. Burn it
to the ground and start from scratch.Maybe that would be enough for those
of you who want to be judge and jury on this. It seems nothing else is.
So what happens if a coach does this or even commits a lesser crime like a
misdemeanor maybe a DUI or DWI that had nothing to do with the kids and wasnt
even during football season? Should he/she be suspended for a few games instead
of the whole season....or at all?
At least Coach Walker at Westlake has the guts to suspend players for 3 games
for going to Lehi and displaying their creative arts abilities. Maybe if the
Westlake players had pulled a gun rather than paint, the punishment wouldn't
have been so harsh. Either way, all players represent their school and community
and should have been suspended for the entire year. All players made the
decision to be involved in what they did.
Obviously this is one of the more controversial subjects there is when it comes
to sports and discipline.Personally, I think the leaders (coach and
administrators) dropped the ball on this one. For those that are saying he's
innocent until proven guilty, go and read the case file and statements where
Seni practically admitted to being guilty so let's not pretend to be in Lala
land here.Four players from Westlake were suspended for 3 games a piece
for spray painting a rival school. For those who think holding people at
gunpoint and stealing their wallets warrant a less punishment are crazy.The right thing would have been to suspend him indefinitely before the season
and then work with Seni, his family and courts to get a ruling ASAP and then
work on an action plan to get his life back in order. By now, it would have
passed over and he might have been cleared to play already.If the U pulls
their offer, JC is an option where he could really show how sorry he is and earn
societies trust back in him (which I know he can do)!
I don't know this kid and most of you don't either. How can you judge if he is
“a good kid” or a “bad kid”. You don't know his moral
character. At issue is his “mistake”, or whatever you want to term
it — his actions at the party. The courts will decide his fate off the
football field and yes he's innocent until proven guilty. That's why he is
walking the halls of Bingham. However, “being innocent until proven
guilty” in court is a different issue than the moral obligation that
Bingham Coach and Principal have in molding the character of Seni. In this they
failed miserably. What's wrong with sitting the kid down and asking him about
his actions. What were the circumstances? If Coach Peck (not the court)
determined he did as accused, he should be suspended for the season. This
should have been done when Coach Peck knew about the incident -- well before the
season started. Doing this wouldn't have destroyed Seni's football career
— it might have saved it! Now, he is being taught that winning is
everything, your actions do not bring consequences. Not good life lessons.
haha it's funny that you guys call this a mistake. Like he didn't mean to point
the gun at the five other kids to rob them. imagine if one of those kids were
yours. you all would want whoever was putting your childs life in danger like
that to be put behind bars. mistake? hahahahaha good one i was a teenager before
and made mistakes too. but not one time did my mistake involve a gun pointing it
at five others robbing them. Syracuse had a problem with kids breaking into a
golf store and they got a harsher punishment than this kid is getting.
Why has the other kid involved already pleaded guilty and been given 3 years
probation? And this kid hasn't? Because he is a minor? I am just curious!
The coach and principal seem to have a 'win at all costs' attitude. Why wait
until the story hits the media to suspend him. If they feel he did something
worthy of suspension it should have been the first two games, if they feel he
should not be suspended then don't suspend him after the story hits the media.
Another issue is the judgment of the coach and principal, which one of them
thought they should not suspend a kid with felony charges. As long as you win
football games I guess, go Bingham!
The coach say's this is a good kid, give me a break. Any one who robs someone at
gunpoint isn't a good kid!! I don't know this young man, but a message needs to
be sent to him and he should be suspended for the remainder of the season. For
the school district, the high school and the coach not taking action tell it
shows up in the media is terrible. A investigation should be conducted ASAP and
action should be taken against all of the above.
I find the fact that Seni is still a part of the Bingham football team totally
appalling. To say the least walking around the halls of Bingham with my children
The Honor Code was breached - Coach Peck needs to stand by his own code without
exceptions. This totally is an oxymoron.What are all of you thinking, it
is a privilege to play Football and other players have been suspended for less
and didn't have to wait to see what a Judge said.
The State Penitentiary at point of the mountain is full of "studs"
The social commentary fodder here is truly fascinating. Duckhunter's analysis
of a "mistake" is important to keep in mind, whether you feel our 17 yr. old
should be booted (to teach him the seriousness of his crime) or not (for his
opp. to get more mentoring and help). There's clearly some sensible
middle-ground where we can agree that criminal behavior is still "criminal," but
not proverbially "throw away the key" on people. It is all too easy to err on
one side or the other.
I guess your guilty until proven innocent??? Forget about what this country
stands for. All you people are right no one has ever been accused of a crime
they didnt commit.
Chris B | 10:19 p.m. Sept. 24, 2010Salt Lake City, UTHey - if the
kid can play, we welcome U! Hey Chris B --don't speak 0n behalf of the
Utah alum as a " we.. like in we welcome U ". Speak for yourself. I think
that you are a real poor example of a college football fan. You write some
really senseless and ugly stuff Chris, not the image that the U wants. "
WE welcome U " ? Nonsense.. The University of Utah has their rules and
coach Kyle isn't afraid to dish out discipline to a student athlete that
violates those rules. Every college team has them in order to maintain
discipline and maturity. Chris B is way off base .. It is a big
deal..Chris B wasn't held at gunpoint by a 300 pound mad Polynesian. Let
the punishment fit the crime.
@hs sports dude: different situation, with different coaches. Cocah Peck
doesn't have anything to do with the baseball team, so that comment has no
To those who defend Coach Peck's decision.... I don't like the double standard
you are exhibiting. Let me explain. Many of you are saying that he should not be
kicked off the team until it plays out in court. You are saying "let the judge
decide if he is guilty". And when someone says that he should be kicked off the
team, you come back with the "let's see if he is guilty first" argument. So why is the kid suspended for two games then? By suspending him, the
coach and principal are acknowledging that he is guilty, and they are slapping
him on the hand with a 2 game suspension against two of the worst teams in Utah.
The kid committed a felony, and he should be in jail! I don't buy
the whole argument "is this what is best for this kid"... he is a felon and
should be punished accordingly. That choice was taken away when he held the gun
and robbed kids at gunpoint."Maybe football is all this kid really
has"... what a stupid argument. He is a FELON!
Chris B you can't be serious. If this were a kid playing at any other school
you would be spouting off about how pathetic the school would be to take him.
With that said this must speak volumes about the U. In the end, the kid needs
to go through the process and perhaps get counseling. Football is secondary
when it comes to these issues.
Being a football coach I find it laughable that BHS people think he has to play
football to become a better person. Removing him from football would have been
the right thing to do to help this kid. It would teach him much more and in no
way would it jeopardize his future in football. It would certainly teach
accountability and consequences.
Maybe Peck should kick him off the team........and Utah should pass on him. Is
that what is best for this kid...... and society? Maybe football is all this
kid really has. Take it all away and then what? I don't know. I do know
one thing He's 17 and just starting his life. He better make smarter decisions
in the future because life can be very long.We can all make our comments
and judgement of this situation from the comfort of our couches and the safety
of being anonymous. This is not a black and white decision and we don't have all
I don't think the head coach acted in the best interest of the kid. When you
make a mistake there are consequences, you don't sweep it under the rug. What
does that teach the kid? Then you wonder why we have so many prima dona
pro-athletes. When I was in high school, several of the football players were
involved in a fight off campus. The ones most involved were immediately kicked
off the team and THEY WERE ALL STARTERS! The ones that were minorly involved
were suspended for at least 3 games. My coach made the right decision.
Ouch ! Copper Hills now here is a game in question with out Viliseni, not. The
game that might have a spec of a chance is the Riverton game, not. Really this news of a suspension has no significance to any Bingham out come.
So why the hype of a non story?I guess to demonstrate how ridged and
hard the coach can be when critical games are on the line. Please, with this
recruited all star team no body has a chance against there 2nd string let alone
the starters."POLY" Cougar Nation
@ChrisB, would that be your opinion if he were a BYU recruit?How is
this kid not in jail? Bail?
hey Bingham....so if the Anderson kid from last year that was kicked off the
baseball team for drinking a beer would have held people at gunpoint
instead....he would have received a two games suspension. He was
booted off the team. Where is the consistency.
Its a good thing they have Copper Hills and West Jordan coming up. We wouldn't
want him to miss any important games. Boy does this look bad for BHS coaches.
It wouldn't have made sense to suspend him prior to this coming out would it?
If you need an example of how to handle player issues see Urban Meyer and Marty
Bingham beating or not beating Alta isn't the issue here. The bigger issue is
that Coach Peck is trying to help Seni get his life straightened out. None of
you know the whole story but that's not stopping you from passing judgement is
it?I don't know the whole story either but it seems Seni messed up in a
huge way. I know it sounds trite but from what I see, it looks like he's trying
to get on the right track and Bingham football is a major part of that. If he's found guilty, which hasn't happened yet, the court can decide what his
punishment should be. The rest of us can have opinions but none of you nor I
are qualified to judge Seni Fauonuku.Those of you who want to do so can
sit on your high horses. I'll back Coach Peck in trying to keep a young man's
life from going down the drain. 100%.
Hey Duh, I'm glad your not a Coach! Coaches should be all about football and
nothing about life, right? Kick every kid off your team that makes a mistake and
put them on the street. You have to treat players with respect and teach them
respect, help them along the way. Seni made a mistake and it will be taken care
of, by a Judge. Your not a judge and I'm embarrassed to say I am a Bingham
graduate, if you are. Glad your perfect.
I'm reading your comments on a situation, that not one of you have a clue about.
Seni made a mistake and is going to pay for it, for a long time. The suspension
of the 2 games, have nothing to do with what he is facing in court. So don't
throw Seni under the bus and if you knew the Coaching staff at Bingham, you
would love to play there or have your boy play in that program. The Coaches can
not accuse Seni of something that has not been proven. That would be slander and
a huge law suit and all hear say at this point. I know Coach Peck and if the
Judge finds Seni guilty, he will then take action of this issue. I hope you
would not throw stones and say you have never made a mistake. Give the kid a
chance and pray for him and hope that things work out. Were all innocent, until
proven guilty. We do not know the facts, all we know is what was in the paper
and hear say. Keep an open mind and wish Seni the best.
I am all for giving people another chance when they make mistakes, but this
isn't just any mistake. It is one thing to have stolen a candy bar from a gas
station, but it is completely different when you hold five teenagers at gun
point. For as long as i have been hearing about coach Peck i have had the utmost
respect for him but because of this lack of disciplinary action on this i have
lost some of that for him. Seni may have been under peer pressure when he did
that but nevertheless he still made the mistake and he hasn't been disciplined
or learned his lesson at all. I think he should have been suspended for the
season, been to court and learned his lesson the hard way. This two game
suspension will teach him nothing other than that if you have power or talent
that you always end up with less punishment than the normal person.. I hope that
he gets things figured out, its sad that his situation puts a black eye on the
whole Bingham community....
that is really sad news, Seni is a good kid but sometimes teenagers make stupid
mistakes. Any of you commenting over the age of 17? If so try to tell us you've
never made some stupid mistakes when you were a kid, remember what peer pressure
was all about? I'm not saying robbery is no big deal but I also don't agree with
just giving up on someone cuz they make a mistake. Bingham has enough big time
DLine players that he wasn't overlooking the law just to have him play. And yes
Alta would have still lost
I agree. This is not only inadequate punishment, but it is a terrible message
to send to the boy, his family, younger siblings, fellow athletes, and the
entire student body. Shame on the coach, the principal, and the boy's mom for
not stepping up and doing what is right. I hope the School District or Utah
Education Association gets involved.
@Chris B and....."All high school kids make mistakes. No big deal here" Oh, he's
a U of U recruit so, it makes it OK right Chris?? He's accused of holding five
teens at gunpoint and stealing two wallets at a party in a garage of a West
Jordan home. Yeah, all high school kids make this mistake all the time right? He
needs to be suspended for the season. No excuses but because he has talent, his
coach will do anything to keep him on the team. If this were a kid who was not
popular, athletic or rich, he would be doing his time already. I am a Bingham
graduate, and what a black eye for our school.
Hey - if the kid can play, we welcome U!
I am appalled. While I am a huge believer in 2nd chances, there is an obvious
double-standard here, and Chris B. you are leading the way. No big
deal? Are you kidding me? Robbery at gunpoint is a huge deal. What causes me to
question the suspension the most is the two games are not enforced until after
the story hits the paper. Then suddenly its the media's fault?The
media is suppose to report crimes and when it involves a high school football
player, I don't want it to be covered up.Shame on you, Chris B.
No big deal? Are you people serious? He held people up at gunpoint, a FELONY,
and you say it is no big deal?Bingham responds with a two game
suspension. Wow. That is a complete joke!
What is wrong with these kids? Yea he is a stud but I guess he needs a adult
around at all times. Go take out whatever is going on in your life on the field.
Don't be stupid and throw it all away.
jna, trust me if u had someone like seni playing for u, u would also want him to
recieve the less possible punishment he can get because he is a STUD. i also
know him vey well and he is a very good person, he just sometimes makes foolish
decisions. oh and sorry jna, even if seni was out of the alta game, it would
have been the SAME RESULT.
Chris B: would say, robbery w/ a gun (even if just a pellet gun) is a little
more than "kids just being kids."With that said, don't have an
opinion on the suspension and do wish the kid the best and that he's able to
stay on the right track.
I'm with you Chris B, everybody makes mistakes, I agree that there should be no
big deal here.
So what he did was not worthy of a suspension until the judicial process played
out. The story makes the paper and then the Coach and Principal decide it is
worthy of a suspension. I question the leadership, if you made a good decision
stick by it. Don't waffle just because the story was made public.
Wow! A whole two games for a robbery at gunpoint. If he shot someone, would he
get a 4 game suspension? Wow Coach, great message to send those kids, I applaud
you! And the whole "he's using football as a way to turn his life around" is
just plain stupid, oh and why wasn't he suspended for the Alta game hmmmm?
All high school kids make mistakes. No big deal here.
Kind of hard to figure the reasoning. He shouldn't be suspended until the
process plays out, unless it shows up in the paper, then he's guilty enough for
a two game suspension, but we'll see after that.I hope Peck can use
football to help this guy sort his life out. That can happen sometimes but you
have to carefully balance proper accountability with opportunity.
He's only a minority kid and he did not shoot anyone. Football is obviously
more important than a felony charge. Watch them plead this down to a
misdemeanor and probation when he should be learning a lesson in the slammer!