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Published: Wednesday, Sept. 15 2010 8:00 p.m. MDT

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Red Smith

Pete Corroon is like Obama.


If voters like big business running the state, they should vote for Herbert. I am a Republican, but I am supporting Caroon. I've watched him carefully as he has served in the county and believe he's a smarter, wiser candidate. His work experience and educational experience are far superior to Gov. Herbert's, who never graduated from college.


Wow, Corroon's within striking distance. If all of those people out there who say that a democrat could never win would actually go out and VOTE, a democrat would win!


For the people supporting Corroon, you have been reading the biased papers and listening to KSL. Both major newspapers in the Salt Lake Valley are now hard left.

Baron Scarpia

As an independent, I'm leaning for Carroon given that he's been a good, no-nonsense and practical mayor for the county. Sherly Allen has also been a good moderate voice and supporter for education.

I've been amazed by how feeble Herbert's ad campaign has been, and his quotes are hardly inspiring. The "Ethics reform is no substitute for good ethics" quote at the end of one of his ads during all the news controversy regarding the $13 million pay out to a road contractor has not instilled much confidence in Herbert's administration! Either Herbert knew of the back-door deal or he SHOULD have known -- and if he didn't, that says a lot about his administration!

I've also been tracking the energy hearings on Herbert's 10-year energy plan, and his defensive tone for Utah to pursue tar sands, coal, oil, and gas despite all the opposition voiced in the hearings is disheartening... I think he and his administration have already made a decision that Utah will stick with 19th century fossil fuels.

Just how much will these industries expect the state to offer in subsidies and tax incentives?


Herbert has the magic "R" after his name, that means an almost certain win no matter what here in Utah.


I'm an independent and am probably going for Herbert. Corroon is taking too much time criticizing Herbert, not enough talking about his own record and positions, That makes me suspicious. My taxes are higher, the "fee" charged for police protection is a joke. And I've yet to hear Corroon explain things like why in a tough budget year he spent $700,000 for WII games for county employees. Criticism of one's opponent is expected, I guess, unless it's used to deflect attention from one's own record.


To Red Smith | 8:14 p.m. Sept. 15, 2010

***Pete Corroon is like Obama. ***

If true, that makes him FAR better than Herbert.

Liberal Ted

Baron Scarpia | 5:43 a.m. Sept. 16, 2010

Yeah, a commercial about wearing your brothers shoes and have little chicks, cheap cheaping away.

Well that explains what he'll do as Governor. At least Herbert explains how he'll help business and get jobs here, rather than how he will cheaply spend our money.


I think these things are going to be blips on the screen. Herbert should win confortably.

A few small campaign attacks are NOT going to get the people to vote for someone who has a political philosophy that is in complete conflict with most of the people of this state. That's what happened with Obama. Voters made a big mistake and didn't seem to quite understand what Obama was about. Now they know. Utah voters won't make the same mistake for governor.

Liberal Ted

It's interesting to see the left-wing out in force pushing their candidate with the 'D' behind his name. Can't make a decision based on anything besides that letter.


Caroon doesn't smell too good, in my opinion. I was considering supporting him, but after the current "scandal," I'm revolted. The same day or the next day after the story broke, he was on the air with ads capitalizing on it, even BEFORE all of the facts were known. But a lack of complete information didn't prevent Caroon from trying to make political hay. I also think his decisions over the last few years have been made with his political ambitions in mind, rather than his principles. And I find it interesting that neither local paper is doing much investigating into Caroon. I find it hard to believe that there is nothing there to question. Caroon should be coming under the same level of scrutiny that Herbert is. And, let's not forget that Caroon is related to Howard Dean. Dean is one nutty dude.

I'm not that thrilled about Herbert, but I think I trust Caroon even less. Especially since no one is taking a hard look at him. I wish we had better candidates to choose from across the board. Unfortunately, the best people want nothing to do with politics.


While you are free to make your choice, my vote is for Corroon.

Herbert put Nuclear waste withine one veto of comming to Utah.

Bad budgeting.

'State budget is $50M short of projection' - By Lisa Riley Roche - Deseret News - 09/08/10

'SALT LAKE CITY State revenues fell nearly $50 million short of projections in the recently ended budget year, but Gov. Gary Herbert said that's good news.'


'Utah last in U.S. in spending per pupil — again' - By Molly Farmer and Lee Davidson - DSNews - 06/29/10

'The census found that Utah schools spent on average $5,765 per student in 2007-08. Idaho was second-lowest at $6,931 — but that was still 20 percent higher than what was spent in Utah.
Nationally, schools spent $10,259 per student on average. That is almost twice as much as in Utah.'

The $1.3 million dollar construction contract...

True, some people will ONLY be swayed by the 'R' or 'D', but I have tried to actually do some reasearch.

My vote is for Corroon.

Please vote.


One more point: some of you aren't being realistic if you really believe that Herbert should be aware of every decision an agency director makes. That's just plain ridiculous. Do you grasp at all the sheer scope of government bureaucracy and how many agencies and people are involved? Any governor has far too much to do to micromanage every action by every department--he has to trust his people. And if he can't, then they shouldn't be his people.

In the current "scandal," John Njord, the director of UDOT, acted fully within the scope of the current rules by making the decision to give the $13 million payout without consulting either the governor or the legislature. There is an exemption in the rules requiring "permission" for payouts specifically for UDOT. So anger at Njord or the governor or the legislature for not informing people or for not knowing about the decision is IRRATIONAL. If you're unhappy about the non-notification, then lobby for the rule exempting UDOT to be changed. But meanwhile, don't pillory everyone involved for acting in accordance with the rules that are currently in place.


Democrat or not... I wouldn't vote for Corroon.


What people don't realize is that incumbents should always be well over 50% or they are in trouble. In 2000 Dem candidate Bill Orton did nothing but stand there and look respectible and he got 42% of the vote against Leavitt. Not only is Corroon not a "sacrificial lamb"--he is respected like Orton, but he also is actually raising money and going on TV. Yes, Corroon is the underdog, but he does have a shot. There is no way Herbert is going to win by 21%. Most of those undecideds will break for Corroon but it will take almost all of them for Corroon to win. If the bad news keeps raining on Herbert then he might lose a few of his current supporters which could tip the scales.


The records of both men speak loudly for themselves and I think Mayor Corroon's comes out far superior. In Gov. Herbert's camp we continously hear a lot of talk but with little follow-up. Remember the big press conference about clean air during an inversion in Feb. and a launch of the "Clear the Air" campaign? Herbert didn't even bother to participate--Corroon and Becker, along with many other local leaders, did.

As a born-and-raised Utah Mormon, I have grown very sick of politicians thinking they can do almost anything and get away with it simply because they are Republican and Mormon.

And schools!? I loved my public school and I graduated from seminary, a privelege totally taken for granted in Utah. So why would the Gov try to belittle Corroon, a Catholic, for sending his kids to a private Catholic school? Especially odd, given that John Huntsman's kids attended private Catholic schools here, as well.

And energy? The Gov's Balanced Resource Council is supposed to bring people from both sides of the energy argument together but there is not a single environmental representative on that panel.

...getting very tired of this...


Re Pagan - Your points against Herbert are comical. Trying to project a budget 16 months out in these economic times is nearly impossible. It is difficult even in good times, hence the reason we have surpluses or deficits to cover every year.

As for being last in per pupil spending, that will be the case for the foreseeable future no matter who gets elected. To get to Idaho's level, we would have to have a 20-25% increase in taxes. To get to the national average we would have to have a 100% increase in taxes. The public would never support it and there isn't enough money in other budget to just shift things around. (Even if you factor in UDOTs $13 million blunder.)

Corroon hasn't really done much better with the County. He claims he cut County government by x% but in reality the economy did that because they didn't have tax revenue. Then they worked their funny magic on the police fee to hide a tax increase.

Neither are all that inspiring but as for me I am going with Herbert.

casual observer

Despite his campaign adds, Mr. Corroon has not been frugal as SL County mayor. Property values have decreased and property taxes have increased. We now pay separately for police protection. It is a bad omen of things to come if he were elected governor.


Corroon was handicapped from the beginning....he is a liberal big gov't Democrat! You can get away with that from Magna to Glendale to Rose Park and even to the Avenues.....but the rest of the state is too smart to put up with that nonsense! Corroon couldn't have asked for an easier condidate to beat...lets face it...Herbert is somehwhat of a Liberal himself? Its like voting for the lesser of two evils!

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