Augustine dominant in the Summer League?HEE HEEHEE HEE
I do not understand the Fesenko obsession either...Some people think
that the problem with Fesenko has been that the Jazz(mainly Sloan) did a
horrible job of developing him. An if only givin the proper attention he would
transform himself into a player that they desperately need. What could Kevin,
Sloan and the rest of the bunch be thinking???What everyone else in
the league is thinking !!!Jazz offered Fesenko a 1 year 1 million
dollar contract. Pennies. Well no teams are lining up to snatch this
underdeveloped star out from under them. So I guess that pretty much says it
all.On the signing of Elson, I am choosing to be a bit more
welcoming since I have yet to see him play in a Jazz uniform. Go Jazz !!!!
Lets not forget about Augustine, he was great in the summer league and got an
invite to camp. That guy played hard and did a good job. Even if we do get Fes
back, I still think we should pick him up. He may end up playing better than
Fes, or worst case scenario, it would give Fes some competition/motivation to
start working hard and improving. He hasn't really had that yet. Plus we can get
Augustine for pennies, and we'd have 5 players that could play center. Sure its
not going to get us over the Laker hump, but nothing will right now anyway.
The only reason they signed him is because they're below the minimum roster
size. I think we still need to sign one or two more guys.
Re: Anonimous Infinity : I agree with you regarding getting in shape but I
disagree about Fes, I think he has the potential to be alot better than you want
to give him credit for. He can have a much bigger impact than some think, he
could easily be a 10/10 player and provide the defensive presence we need. It
sounds like he has been working at least hard enough to have lost a little
weight, and he had a decent summer with his NT. Some players are automatically
hard workers and have learned because of parents or coaches, but some young kids
like Fes or CJ may not have had coaches or parents that have been hard on them
and pushed them to work hard and develop that trait but as they get alittle
older they realize what it takes to be better than they have been and the light
turns on and they start working harder. I'm hoping Fes has reached that age and
maturity. He has all the size and athleticism we need to have in a center that
can control the paint and contribute an acceptable amount of pts & rebounds.
Mark Deeks: Jon Scheyer will go to training camp with the Utah Jazz. Twitter -
now THIS is something to get excited about!I hope we'll know the
training camp roster soon!
Elson should have very little impact as he is far enough down the bench he won't
get much time on the court. It would be nice though to have a stronger player
to go to when necessary.
Was I not watching the Jazz the past two years and saw with my own eyes one of
the least talented centers in the NBA in Fesenko?Elson is an athlete with
talent, heart, skills and a hunger. We are lucky to have someone that can
finally jump in the middle.
I really don't see the problem, I think it's a great signing. Another big body
to throw at Yao, Gasol, Oden, etc. He has playoff experience and played for
Pop....he will be a contributor. Good move by our GM.
I don't think Elson is a 13th man, he will play especially at the beginning of
the season. More experienced and better than anything the Jazz had last year at
backup center. @doug10 I am sure if you can arrange that AK for Carmelo trade
the Jazz will give you a great commission. BTW I have a bridge in Arizona that
I am trying to sell would you help me with that too.
WOW! I am impressed! No, not at the signing of Elson. He's just a 13th man on
the roster and fouls to give. I'm impressed that we have so many people with
head coach and NBA general manager experience commenting on this article. Why
Sloan and O'Conner should both just quit and let Bugoff and Jazzsmack take their
It doesn't matter whether the Jazz resign Fesenko or not. He is irrelevant to
how the Jazz can improve relative to regular season and the playoffs. Take a
look around the league. The Jazz are maximized at approximately the number 16
(bearly making the playoffs). Come on....let's be real here. Jerry Sloan's
detractors are in error on making players better. Let me tell you....the
players themselves make their selves better. Aren't John Stockton and Karl
Malone proof enough? Individual players know full well their own particular
deficiencies in their play and the things they need to work on. If they don't
improve them by actually WORKING on them before, during and after each season,
they will continue to languish as a mediocre player. Some players cannot get
better. Most players have a certain God given set of playing gifts; others have
no real potential. Working hard on shooting, ball handling can help. One of
the biggest shortcomings of most run of the mill NBA players besides lack of
ability is the lack of motivation to GET IN PLAYING SHAPE. People like Stockton
and Malone set the standard. It is a yearround issue.
Looks like a squeeze on Fesenko to me. Also looks like the Jazz don't plan to
match any offers to Fesenko. I believe the Jazz will compete for the
title this year, but as in years past it appears they will be one player short.
I'll be supprised if Fesenko wears a Jazz uniform for 2010/2011.Jazz
don't intend to pay but 13 players. This lets them add a minimum wage player,
possibly Evans and they are set until the injuries start. Okur will open on
injured reserve, this gives more minutes for Millsaps and AK (which they need).
Fesenko can take the qualifying offer, stay home or get an offer from somebody
else. The Jazz are willing to play the hand they have but when crunch time comes
and they need a 7 ft. 300 pounder, he probably won't be there.
Fes has his offer on the table till Oct. 1. Why would he sign it before then.
He's not going to get a big offer and the Jazz can match a reasonable offer so
why offer more than needed to get him, he's not needed till the season starts so
wait. We would have a hard time signing a better free agent center than Elson
as there will be no playing time for them once Okur returns, better players
would not sign on knowing that. While not exciting it all makes sense.
How many teams, Besides Chicago with MJ, have won the title without a dominant
center. The Jazz are perfectly content to just make the playoffs, lose in the
first or second round, and pack it up for another year. I not, they would have
make the trades or decisions necessary to aquire a center that's at least a
solid presence in the post. The last halfway decent one they had was Eaton who,
at least, was a solid defensive presence but, his 9 points a games sure made a
difference right? just ask Stockton or Malone. I'm sure they'll show you their
Championship rings to prove it. I used to drive down from Wyoming to watch them
play now and then. Not anymore. Go San Antonio.
I'm puzzled with Jazz logic in re-signing young players.The last 2-3
years, rather than locking Milsap and Matthews into reasonable contracts early
on (which only the Jazz could do), they chose to use them cheap as long as
possible and then gamble on free agency. The result--the Jazz are now
overpaying Milsap and no longer have Matthews.Fesenko is begging the
Jazz to sign him to a multi-year deal at the extremely reasonable price of
$1-$1.5 mil. per year, but the Jazz would rather use him cheap this year, and
gamble on whether he is going to get better before they sign him to a multi-year
deal. However, if he gets better, he could easily receive a free agency offer
of between $3-6 per year.Fesenko clearly serves a role on the Jazz
with his size and athleticism, even if his skills do not improve markedly; any
remotely competent backup center is worth $1-1.5 mil. per year (examples: Elson,
Collins); and Fesenko is still very young with potential to improve markedly--so
why not sign him to a long-term cheap deal while you still can?
The Rockets have offered Damp 2 mill a year for 2 years. He has interest from
MIA, TOR and PHO. The Elson signing sends a message to Morey to not
load a poison pill offer to Fes unless the Rockets really want to pay him. It may lower any offer the Rockets make by enough to make Fes reasonable
enough for Utah to sign him. Elson can be traded as an expiring
contract at the deadline if the Jazz find a trade they want or need. Nobody knows how well Memo will be playing or how well AJ adjusts or if there
are additional injuries. Elson does not hurt but he is not likely to
help much. Sloan may be forced to play him for significant minutes at some point
and it would help if there were a more talented option.
Um, you all realize that you're arguing over the 12th and 13th players on the
team, right? Neither of these two are going to help us improve substantially,
its not worth arguing about. It's not like we traded boozer for elson, we picked
him up because we can get him for the vet minimum, thats it. Everyone just calm
down, its going to be ok...
re: JazzSmackThe answer to your ignorant question regarding whether
your list of Jazz players got better while they played for Sloan is a resounding
YES!!Every single player got better statistically while they were
here.Stockton and Malone could not have gotten to the NBA Finals
without the enigma named Osterrag. Did he perform at his highest capacity all
the time? No. Ostertag admitted that problem was him deciding not to work hard
and it was NOT coaches.If you can't see the difference in CJ to when
he was a highschool punk and what he did in last seasons playoffs???? You are
blind!! I have been CJ's harshest critic but finally, on a big stage, CJ
performed well in last years playoffs and if he starts this season at that level
we are a better team from that alone.Those are just few examples.I could go on but its not necessary to further demonstrate your negative
Sloan bashing comments are bogus.Try to contribute something factual
and accurate vs. just your whining and complaining.
This does not help the Jazz unless it is a way to negotiate with Fes. This guy
is window dressing.KOC be bold and trade AK for Carmello for this
next season and you will see the Jazz compete.Jazz should have got T
Mac as well, he would have helped more than this Collins clone
I like the Picture of Elson dunking on Dampier! Man hood in your face! You never
saw Jerron Collins play like that! The Jazz still need one more big body, I hope
it is Fesenko. I think the Jazz will bring in another shooter too. Maybe
Morrison, Mobley, or find a diamond in yhe ruff in training camp. I am getting
excited for Jazz basketball! GO JAZZ!!
DWill fan is right there were a lot better options. The Jazz were not able or
did not want to pay the money. However, many of the above named players would
cost about the same as Elson. The Elson signing makes little sense.
No I do not buy the idea that KOC and Sloan actually do know what
they are doing. They do pretty well but they do not produce even Western
elson? really? sure, he's just taking up space until memo's back, but there ARE
so many other viable options.- rasho nesterovic (34, 255lb).
experienced & proven veteran. smart ball player that has won a championship with
the spurs. currently playing with greece.- dj mbenga is a 260 lb 7 footer
with championship experience (lakers). this dude has my vote. he may cost a bit
more, but he'd be worth it & might even start at c.- steven hunter is
another 7 footer with slightly better stats than elson. plus, he's 6 years
younger & i'm pretty sure he's a free agent.-jazz seem to like russian
dudes, so, how about oleksiy pecherov. he's a 240 lb 7 footer and is only 24.
currently playing for italy, but i'm sure he's not making too much there.-
earl barron. 250 lb 7 footer. pretty good stats & is only 28.- heck, even
chris hunter. he's a jefferson type player and is only 26.
The reason the Jazz are reluctant to sign Fesenko to a long term deal is because
we have a stud in Europe by the name of Ante Tomic. Tomic is 7'2 and looks like
a young P. Gasol. KOC knows what he is doing Jazz fans, have some faith. If Fes
signs on and has a huge year, which he should because with Memo out he would get
the chance to show what he can do and if he can be productive like 10-10, then
he would earn himself a very nice NBA contract next year. Re-signing with the
Jazz is Fesenko's best option right now. Elson was a good pick up too, the guy
practiced against Tim Duncan everyday and won a ring with the Spurs. The Jazz
will be a very good team this year, but I hope they can be GREAT!GO JAZZ!
Let Fes stay in Europe. He has wasted enough of the Jazz time and money. The
plain truth-He is no good.
Fes shafted himself when he got the wrong agent. Most likely his
agent has been threatening to send Fes to Europe unless the Jazz pony up. By signing Elson the Jazz called the bluff. Fes will sign for the
qualifying offer (or near it) if he wants to play for the Jazz. You
do not play hard ball with the Jazz when they are in the lux tax, you are not a
Sloan pet, and you are slow to develop. Somebody gave Fes bad advice
in selecting an agent who does not understand the Jazz or how to negotiate with
them. The Mathews mess should have been a clear signal to Fes. Fes
was clear about wanting to sign with the Jazz until his agent told him to shut
up. In this case he could have saved the agent commission and just
signed the QA.
Elson is just insurance for now to see what happens with Fes and Memo. He will
be another Collins type player.
I think Utah will rebound better than last year. Mainly because Millsap will get
more minutes.When Memo gets back I expect him to play better inside.
He modified his inside game to help Boozer. Once in a while you would see an
aggressive inside game from Memo. Hopefully he has it by the playoffs.Jefferson rebounds well. I am more worried about defense and passing etc. Fes can be very useful on defense. Especially if he understands and
learns the defense. His offensive game and FT shooting needs a lot of work. I think Fes would like to stay but his agent is making things hard.
We swap:AJ for BoozerBell for MathewsHayward for
KorverElson for KofousI'm no expert but it looks to me like we
got longer, more athletic, or more experienced with each swap. Looks pretty
darn good to me!
Holy delusional. Some saying that Fes is becoming a true center? People saying
Elson is a decent pick...any why? Because he is tall? The Jazz did nothing but
pick up another below average player who will not help put the Jazz over the
top. I agree with Jazzsmack and I will go even farther, I think the Jazz
struggle to have a winning season. This in no way helps the Jazz improve.
Decent pick up by the Jazz. For the life of me I don't understand the obsession
some Jazz fans have with Fesenko. He has shown little to no improvement over
the past three seasons and I personally don't think he has the heart of a
champion either. I couldn't care less if he is re-signed or not.
I'm just optimistic. Boozer leaving and somehow getting Jefferson is awesome. I
think Millsap and Kirilenko will both have great years. Neither is good enough
to be THE guy in the post but both are great energy and movement off the ball
players. The question is if we have the interior defense and rebounding, but we
can't be worse than last year in that department. Don't underestimate how much
Bell's leadership will help.SA- Duncan and Ginobili just get older
and more injury prone.Hou- Yao Ming's career is almost over (I
predict 30 games before he goes down). They are well coached but don't have the
talent(Brad Miller and Kevin Martin aren't that good).Dallas- Kidd
and Nowitzki are just getting older.Phoenix- Turkeyglue is a
bonehead and Childress and Frye aren't that great. No D or rebounding from the
Suns big men. Nash will help them win quite a few but they aren't better than
the Jazz.NO- DWill owns NO. No way they are better than Jazz.Denver- Carmelo is a huge distraction and that team will self
destruct.Portland- Injury prone and not that good.
Kyle I wish you were right. You might eventually be right before the end of the
season. I hope so. It will take until Christmas for Jefferson to
actually make the adjustments that he needs to make on both offense and defense.
That is assuming he actually makes those adjustments and also assumes he does
not get hurt. AK always gets injured. It remains to be seen if the
Jazz have enough outside shooting to open up the inside and keep it open. OKC is better. HOU is nearly as good as LA until Ming gets hurt. POR is
better than the Jazz unless they get a major injury. DEN is better but who knows
how they will play. DAL is better but Cuban keeps messing with them so they can
not jell. SA could be better but they did not have the right chemistry last
year. NO will be better than last year. PHO will play better than you think. After LA, there is going to be very little difference in the records of
the next 8 or 9 teams. Utah is not going to get a fast start but
they may be very good late.
Re Billypen:I've never read anything from any fan who thinks Fess
can be a 20 10 guy. Many Fans, myself included, think that fess can give 15
minutes of solid defense and be an inside presence that the Jazz desperately
need. If you can name 1 player on the market that the Jazz can
afford that is a better shot blocking center and that has as much potential as
Fess I'd love to hear it.
Well we needed another big man even if Fes does stay here so I think its a good
signing.They already got Al Jefferson. What do you want them to do?
I hope he can contribute consistently at least until Okur comes back. It looks
like Jefferson is going to be playing a lot of C for at least the first half of
the season.Lucky to get a 4 seed Bugoff??? Who else is better
besides LA?? Maybe OKC but I see us being better than Denver, Phoenix, San
Antonio, and Dallas. I can't wait to see Jefferson play in a Jazz uniform.
Yeah like this is going to help the jazz, Does ot matter.. Go Lakers.
billypenn: It a matter of seeing his potential, Fes has the size, & athleticism
to be a 10 / 10 player and be the defensive presence we need in the middle.If you can't see it, I guess you can't see potential.Fes didn't have a
great summer with his NT but it was OK, he had a few good games towards the end
of the summer and hopefully he can build on those. I would love for the
Jazz to sign him for at least 2 yrs but I think they are going to hold out to
the qualifying offer and wait and see how he performs.
Got a lot of honerey people out there tonight. It's a good thing we have you
instead of the experts who are on the payroll..
There are a lot of things the Jazz do that make no sense at all. This is a money move. 1/2 of his Vet salary will be paid by the league. He is
no better than Fes or Koof. Except they could rebound. He is not noted for
defense. This looks like another Collins move. Yes I realize he is
the 13th man and hopefully he does not play much. Fes is likely to
play for his qualifying offer this year and then go some place he can develop.
I am completely unimpressed with the way the Jazz do not develop
their young bigs. They are horrible in drafting bigs and worse at developing
them. They could have had Amundson, Mahinmi, or even Earl Barron.
But they sign Elson. I hope I am surprised by his contribution. At
34 why would he improve dramatically? Assuming Fes signs for the qualifying
offer why do they need Elson? LA got Blake and Barnes. They are a
lot better. Utah will be lucky to get a 4th seed.
What is with this obsession with Fes the guy has not shown anything and you
blinded fans think if he gets more minutes he is going to be a 20/10 guy. I just
don't get your logic.
Signing of the year...way to go Jazz. Now sign Iverson and we'll be set!
Gee wiz Jazz Smack its not the coaches job to make a player better, its the
players job to get better. Its a coaches job to teach the game and coach. Its
like a teacher that teaches math its the student that either gets it or not.
the jazz for once have a true center in fes and they better not let him go
Can you say Championship Baby!No?How about something
like the last five years?Probably.I am not sure
fesenko wants to come back, unless he has no bettter option.fesenko
certianly is not getting the coaching and development he needs,the
sloan has NEVER developled a single big men (or any player for that matter) to
even competent levels,did ostertagg get better?did boozer?Has fesenko or koufos?Has AK, cj miles, or okur?is really
fair to count lottery picks who are EXPECTED to be good?sloan has
driven off more people, by his treatment and his system, than anyone.This year will be just more of he same as the last five.
You can't stop Francisco Elson, you can only hope to contain him.
This is a decent signing for the Jazz, somebody has to be the 13th man, but the
less he plays the better off the Jazz will be. Fesenko right now is still by far
the best option for the Jazz to back up Okur and Jefferson.