Comments about ‘Battle royal over health care repeal if GOP wins’

Republican party:

You don't need Healthcare America! You were doing FINE before Obamacare....


* 'Heavy infant in Grand Junction denied health insurance' - By Nancy Lofholm - Denver Post - 10/12/09

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'By the numbers, Alex (Lange) is in the 99th percentile for height and weight for babies his age. Insurers don't take babies above the 95th percentile, no matter how healthy they are otherwise.
"I could understand if we could control what he's eating. But he's 4 months old. He's breast-feeding. We can't put him on the Atkins diet or on a treadmill," joked his frustrated father, Bernie Lange...'


* ‘Insurer revoked HIV Patients’ coverage’ — Reuters — 03/17/10

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‘In May, 2002, Jerome Mitchell, a 17-year old college freshman from rural South Carolina, learned he had contracted HIV. (sic) On his own initiative, in anticipation of his first year in college, he had purchased his own health insurance.
Shortly after his diagnosis, however, his insurance company, Fortis, revoked his policy. Mitchell was told that without further treatment his HIV would become AIDS within a year or two and he would most likely die within two years after that.'

'Health costs double for workers over decade' - MSNBC - 09/15/09

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'According to the Kaiser Family Foundation, the average premium for a company-provided family health insurance plan rose from $5,791 in 1999 to $13,375, a 131 percent jump.'


'Only in America: Bankruptcy Due to Health Care Costs' - James E. Dalen, MD, MPH - 08/04/09

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'The article by Himmelstein in this issue of the The American Journal of Medicine documents that health care expenses were the most common cause of bankruptcy in the United States in 2007, accounting for 62% of US bankruptcies compared with 8% in 1981.'

Source?

- American Journal of Medicine

*'Uninsured ER patients twice as likely to die' - AP - 11/16/09

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'The findings by Harvard University researchers surprised doctors and health experts who have believed emergency room care was equitable.
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"This is another drop in a sea of evidence that the uninsured fare much worse in their health in the United States," said senior author Dr. Atul Gawande, a Harvard surgeon and medical journalist.
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"I'm really surprised," said Dr. Eric Lavonas of the American College of Emergency Physicians and a doctor at Denver Health Medical Center. "It's well known that people without health insurance don't get the same quality of health care in this country, but I would have thought that this group of patients would be the least vulnerable."

Obamacare is overreaching and unaffordable! Honest Americans know and understand that and know this is just another wealth transfer which is Obama's trickle up poverty economic plan!

@Mountainman: Do you have health insurance? If so, is it a group plan through your employer? Be Honest.

You come across as being ether poorly enforced or lying to spread misinformation by using the lie: "Obamacare." Lets explain US government again. In the United States congress and not Obama passes laws. If you had read did your patriotic duty to stay informed enough to vote intelligently, you who know Obama wanted a single payer system with an government option.

Obamacare is a word developed by conservative propagandist to tie health care to a president that doesn't look like most of you. Boo!

Most of you know nothing about the health care that was passed. It's not socialism to pay for health care insurance sold by corporations owned by shared holders.

What republicans fear is that people will learn the truth. Many Americans kids have coverage today. Other Americans no longer fear their insurance won't pay because of an preexisting condition. America's elderly will no longer be faced with the hole in their drug coverage.

We will no longer be paying for people who don't pay for health care insurance who end up in ER and who later can't pay up.

Life has improved.

@ xscribe;
My health insurance premium is $526/month. I have $1,000 deductable which makes it pretty much catastrophic health insurance. I live on a budget and my healthcare insurance is my second highest expense; taxes are my highest budgeted expense (fed, state and property).

Obamacare would be cheaper for me (probably) but I don't want to burden other people with my living expenses. I believe I and I alone am accountable for my own living expenses. Obamacare would shift that burden to others and I believe that is just a different form of slavery and damaging and demeaning to my character. The world does not owe me a living!

Ya know, I wasn't going to comment on this article except I just read Pagan's skewed comments above (well, at least he's consistent).

Standby for my rebuttal...

Mountanman | 12:13 p.m. Sept. 7, 2010
Obamacare is overreaching and unaffordable!



*'Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt' - Posted by Mark Knoller - CBSNews - 03/04/10

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'With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency.'

This health care bill is DESTRUCTIVE:

- Congress and the President DON'T have to use it (as a matter of fact, every single Democrat in the House and the Senate rejected UNANIMOUSLY in a vote that they be required to use it like the rest of us)

- it's UNCONSTITUTIONAL in that it requires everyone to buy their product or pay a penalty (this has NEVER occured before in the history of our country. Car insurance is different because if you don't want car insurance you're free to not buy a car; NO SUCH PROVISION EXISTS IN THIS BILL!)

- it's over 2,700 pages long (K.I.S.S., it is not)

- the GAO now estimates it's going to cost OVER a TRILLION dollars over 10 years, a TRILLION $ we DO NOT HAVE!!!!

- health care will SURELY be rationed (anyone paying attention to rationed health care in Canada and the U.K.?)

- the Federal government is going to make this program become overbudget, innefficient and eventually, broke....think: Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, US Postal Service, Amtrak, FannieMae, FreddieMac

- we actually WON'T share the financial burden equally

- it provides free health care for illegal aliens

A Guy With A Brain @ 1:21 p.m.


That was your rebuttal?

* Congress DOES have to use Obamacare.

'We’ve received many questions about claims that House and Senate members would be exempt from the health care legislation taking shape in Congress. But neither the House nor the Senate bill exempts Congress from its provisions.' - Fact Check

* It is constitutional. As, it passed. Or, your mandatory car insurance is unconstitutional as well.

* It's 2700 pages long. GWAB can't read now?

* Bush added $4 trillion to the national debt, and you said nothing.

* Hospice, or 'End of Life Care' was around before Obama. 'Death Panels' indeed.

* 'the Federal government is going to...' - is not a fact.

* Why, exactly, do you think we won't all share the burden? You never gave a reason.

* 'Obama was correct when he said his plan would NOT insure illegal immigrants; the House bill expressly forbids giving subsidies to those who are in the country illegally.' - Fact Check



GWAB, how exaclty are my FACTS skewed, when you offer ZERO sources?
No dates...
No names....
No source....
No facts.

Your 'opinion' is not a fact.

Think outside the Fox.

Mountainman, how is $1,000 catastrophic coverage only? You really are out of touch. I can't remember when I could afford a healthcare plan with a $1,000 deductable. If you feel only you are responsible for your expenses, give up you "catastrophic" coverage and pay your bills out of pocket.

@Mountainman: That's an honest reply. Can we assume that your mortgage is your highest expense? Can we assume that you are fortunate enough to pay for these expenses, including the internet service you're using to write these posts? Can we assume you have to buy food? Seems like you're getting a pretty good wage to pay for these expenses. I'm not trying to be rude, but there are many out there with circustances you can't possible know who need health insurance and can't pay for it. They end up going to the emergency room, where it's much more costly, instead of taking care of their illnesses before the emergency room becomes necessary. How much do you think the hospitals eat or pass on to us because of these reasons? There are just as many pros as cons to this debate. I agree the world doesn't owe you a living, nor anyone else. But there are many who don't stand a chance in this country. Don't you think we'd be better off as a society if everyone had an equal opportunity?

More things bad about Obamacare than there are good things about it.

I think healthcare SHOULD BE IMPROVED for everyone, but Obamacare doesn't do that. All it does is "shift money from one person to another". I particularly dislike the IRS involved in healthcare!

Republicans who don't follow through and do everything they can to stop Obamacares' implementation will simply be voted out of office. Its REALLY QUITE SIMPLE.
Probably some Dems. also!

@Pagan: I think you're an Obama Administration lackey. You're just waaay too eager to defend!

Fact: Obamacare collects taxes for 10 years but the budgeted expenditures is for 6 years. Thus balanced by the reasoning of Obama and the Democrats. HOW ON EARTH DO WE CONTINUE WITH THAT BEYOND 2020?!?!?! We'll either have massive cuts in services or massive tax increases. It is a TOTAL sham! It's already MORE expensive than they thought it would be.

Fact: Democracies all around the world that have Government Run health care are looking for ways to cut services or even return back to privatized health care. Those countries think we're crazy for trying to go Government!

Observation: Do you want the same type of service we get from the people that run the DMV?

Fact: Nothing the government EVER does is more efficient than the private sector. Name ONE thing! Just ONE!! Nope...not the US Mail. Nope...not border control. Some people even say that a Privatized Military would be better at war!

Do you want the government having control of everything in your life? That's what will happen with Obamacare!

'Fitness Freak | 2:16 p.m. Sept. 7, 2010
More things bad about Obamacare than there are good things about it.'


Oh.

Well, if you said so.

I'm sure the 131% increase in premium cost's for comanpies...

BEFORE Obamacare...

means nothing.

PAGAN:

CBS NEWS:
The debt now stands at $12.6 trillion. On the day Mr. Obama took office it was $10.6 trillion. So in less than 2 years he has increased it at the same rate Bush did.

Bush bad Obama good. We made it very clear to Bob Bennett we did not want Tarp and he is gone. How can you critcize Bush and not have anything bad to say about Obama.

About Healthcare. Federal Employees Health Benefits Program is for federal employees and indeed is different than what we have. If you have more information on this please share.

I never said car insurance was legal. I think it is not. When you compare car insurance from one company to the next you get a quote tht is within 5 to 10 dollars. that is collusion and is illegal. I am forced to put my 16 year old on my insurance and I did not ask for it, they forced it on me. My child turned 18 and they would not take him off. I think it is illegal and I am not for it.

Taking from me and giving to someone else is stealing.

'Sponge Bob | 2:38 p.m. Sept. 7, 2010
@Pagan: I think you're an Obama Administration lackey.'


Well, at least you didn't call me a 'Zombie.' But then again, if I call you a 'lackey', I am part of the 'hateful rhetoric', right?

Think I'll pass.

'HOW ON EARTH DO WE CONTINUE WITH THAT BEYOND 2020?!?!?!' - Same

Debt?

Really?


*'Bush Administration Adds $4 Trillion To National Debt' - Posted by Mark Knoller - CBSNews - 03/04/10

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'With no fanfare and little notice, the national debt has grown by more than $4 trillion during George W. Bush's presidency.'





If that is the case, then the question of National debt should have been addressed when it began.

In 1910.

Since the previous presidents did nothing...

Theodore Roosevelt
William Howard Taft
Woodrow Wilson
Warren Gamaliel Harding
Calvin Coolidge
Herbert Clark Hoover
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Harry S. Truman
Dwight David Eisenhower
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Lyndon Baines Johnson
Richard Milhous Nixon
Gerald Rudolph Ford
James Earl Carter, Jr.
Ronald Wilson Reagan
George Herbert Walker Bush
William Jefferson Clinton
George Walker Bush


didn't balance the books before Obama, I'm not really sure why the outcry against debt comes now.

'Fact: Democracies all around the world that have Government Run health care...' - Sponge Bob | 2:38 p.m. Sept. 7, 2010


Which ones?

You...didn't really say. And since Private health insurance cost's covered 61% of US bankrupcies in '07, not really sure why private insurance is 'better.'

- American Journal of Medicine

'Observation: Do you want the same type of service we get from the people that run the DMV?' - Sponge Bob | 2:38 p.m.


Well, since I'm guessing you HAVE your license...

'Name ONE thing! Just ONE!!' - Same


'VA runs the largest integrated health-care system in the country, with more than 1,400 hospitals, clinics and nursing homes employing 14,800 doctors and 61,000 nurses. And by a number of measures, this government-managed health-care program--socialized medicine on a small scale--is beating the marketplace. For the sixth year in a row, VA hospitals last year scored higher than private facilities on the University of Michigan's American Customer Satisfaction Index, based on patient surveys on the quality of care received. The VA scored 83 out of 100; private institutions, 71. Males 65 years and older receiving VA care had about a 40% lower risk of death than those enrolled in Medicare Advantage, whose care is provided through private health plans or HMOs, according to a study published in the April edition of Medical Care. Harvard University."




Anything else?