BYU's independence and ESPN's supporting role are heartening to this Cougar fan.
Two things always bothered me about watching games on The Mtn. First, here in
Oregon it's only available on DirecTV and at a fairly steep price if you include
VS in your package. Second, it was troubling to see the Cougars on the road in
so many sparsely filled stadiums. That will likely change with the move from
the MWC. It will be nice to see the Cougars play in Corvallis for football next
year and in Portland for most other sports.
Good deal for all
I agree with Oregonian...1.) BYU will probably never get invited to
the Pac 10/122.) Utah could never get this kind of deal from ESPN
and just doesn't have the pull or reputation to even think about being
independent.Both schools got the best deal that they could right
now...we'll see what happens once the "Super Conference" model finally comes to
@OregonianYeah, I couldn't do it.
4 & 2 with Notre Dame. Good not great. Expect to see much of this treatment on
Great deal for BYU. I am a bit worried about scheduling but realize the deal
with the WAC is only for the next two years. Since most non-conference games are
scheduled 3+ years in advance it will take time to get a good schedule going (if
we can, cross our fingers).I find it interesting some Utes are
ripping this. Try saying the following out loud while keeping a straight
face:"Utah and ESPN have reached an agreement to broadcast all Ute
home games on ESPN or ABC networks. Additionally, the Utes have signed a 3-year
deal with Texas and a 6-year deal with Notre Dame to bring these storied
programs to Rice-Eccles stadium. Negotiations are also under way with several
other big-name programs for home-and-home games."Good grief, Utah
couldn't get that kind of deal from KUED, let alone the world wide leader in
sports. Let's all relax. Utah got a great deal by joining the PAC10.
BYU also got a great deal. Both worked for their own interests (which are
It's amazing how many more people care about BYU than Utah, judging from the
sheer number of comments on BYU articles vs. Utah articles. That
must really bother the Yooks.
Hey Utefan?Why don't you take your sour grapes and go to the game tonight
and watch your P-Utes lose to Pitt. And tell us how many times the Utes will be
playing ND or Texas in the next decade? How many cream puffs are they gonna load
up their schedule with year in and year out? If you could put your "hate" aside
for a moment you would understand that in a few years BYU is not going to be
playing the "WAC litter" as you put it, while the Pootes will be playing Wazoo
and Arizona state for the umpteenth time in front of maybe 20,000 fans at
Rice-Eccles. And tell us all your basis for BYU never getting a BCS bid, how is
it you know this? Was the MWC ever going to get AQ status, obviously not or your
precious Utes wouldn't have jumped ship in a tawdry and miopic way. Appalachian
State didn't have a realistic chance to beat Michigan at the Big house. Boise
realistically shouldn't have beaten Oklahoma with Adrian Peterson. But guess
Come on Utefan...Why does your glass always have to be half empty? No one has
swallowed any pride. BYU is simply trying to move forward in a direction that
will allow them to build a better program. Yes, it DOES take $$. It always has
taken hugh $$. However, BYU has built a respectable program while sharing the
$$ with the entire conference. Now they want to try keeping the money in house
and go it on their own. No one has warmed up to the TV situation in the MWC.
Dish network subscribers are overjoyed right now...I'm one of them. I know you
want to think that everything has to do with "U", but it doesn't. Good luck in
the PAC 11. I think you'll do well and wish you well. Please show us the same
Gotta love that 8 to 9 year commitment to ESPN as your sugar daddy! They agree
to put you on Wednesday or Thursday nights and on top of all that you get to
have at least 4 games a year with the runts of the WAC litter! True you have a
2 for 1 with Texas and maybe a 3 for 3 with the Irish, but to play on weekdays
and with the likes of NMSU, SJSU, USU, etc...I guess the money was soo good that
you agreed to swallow your pride! Talking to future recruits of the
glory of 1984 will be moot, since you not only sold your soul for exposure BUT
any realistic chance at a BCS bid!! If these are the higher standards you
aspire to, I want nothing to do with them, because they make you look tawdry
Thanks to all the real Utah fans who have shared their congratulations on this
board today. Good luck tonight. I am one who is happy for Utah's invite to the
PAC and hope they enjoy success therein. Being in a strong conference would be
better for any team's fans and their Olympic sports. Nevertheless, it looks like
BYU will achieve their goals of exposure and (fan) access through football
independence.As has been pointed out in earlier posts, we've yet to
see schedules and times of games. I'm afraid once the paint drys this
masterpiece won't be as beautiful as we envision it today. But, it will be in
HD.By the way, some dolt earlier, I believe Cucamongan or something
like that, on this site said he lost respect for Tom Holmoe because of the
answers Holmoe gave during yesterday's announcement. His answers were not
contradictory, they just weren't as spelled out in detail with the underlying
parameters. I would bet my life that not one person who has ever posted on
DNews, has more integrity than Tom Holmoe. He certainly has more integrity than
Cucmongan could ever dream of having.
Nice. I too am very pleased with the prospects this move brings. However, I do
not look forward to any game that is not on a Saturday. @soonerschooner"... But to sell out all the other sports for the all
mighty dollar and the way it was done is an embarrassment to the school and the
church. They drop wrestling and Gymnastics to save money and now they turn
around and are going to have to drop other sports to make a few more million
dollars. The missionary tool does not fly. Just like when they dropped athletics
at BYU Idaho this is a big mistake for other athletes besides football players.
I hope they never win again in football and it turns around on them. They could
have had the same exposure with a tougher MWC and been just as exposed to the
world. Sad day for the church and the now very jv sports at BYU."This was not an embarrassment to the school or church, just you. It is
endorsed by the church leaders but we'll have to excuse you for not knowing
anything about the Mormon church. BTW, wrestling was a casualty of Title IX.
Yeah! Way to go! Finally, a move from the awful Mtn TV. Many cougar fans are
thrilled to finally be able to watch their favorite team with this much better
TV coverage on ESPN and KBYU. Thank you!
@BSU BRONCO!!:All you are is a johnny-come-lately. Have a good time
in the MWC - what's left of it.
@stanfunkyYou have to start somewhere, or did you miss that part?"Holmoe said there will be "a transition period of a couple of years
before we achieve the full vision of what football independence can become. To
that point we are grateful to a group of schools in the WAC who have agreed to
play us in 2011 and 2012 to help us get started in this endeavor."
If Utah fans aren't jealous, then why are you spending so much time worrying
about it and commenting about it and endlessly reading about it? If
MY team were playing today, I'd be thinking about THEM, not the time the next
StanfunkyNice try.Wait until you see the schedules after 2012. You
need to learn patience Utesies.We don't fear the future we are making it
for ourselves. And like those MWC schools, namely: Wyoming, SDSU and CSU weren't
"dragging? BYU down before? The Pac-12 has its bottom feeders too, and who says
the P-Utes won't become one of them?Let's see what the future holds shall
I totally agree that this is a great day!!1. No comments from Hedgie,
Durrrlock or Chris B2. A new day is dawning on BYU football3. Pitt
will beat the P-Utes tonight Hallelujah
Welcome to mediocrity, BYU. You have just traded a schedule strength averaging
around 60 (out of 120) for a future of schedules ranked around 70-75 (based on
2011 and 2012 scheduled opponents). Those WAC schools are dragging you down,
which will affect the BCS ranking you will receive. And those new
bowl tie-ins? None? What??? You have no guaranteed bowl tie-in. Get ready
for Shreveport, Detroit, or Toronto. We'll see how that drawing power of your
nationwide fanbase does in those locations!Let's put it this way -
Boise State's projected schedule is stronger than yours for 2011 and 2012. The
University of Utah also improves drastically in schedule strength for that year.
Face it, you're taking a step (or two) down in competition to look better.
Enjoy the ride.
So sweet... Nicely done Tom and others!Not only great national exposure
with all games available everywhere... but now I will have more BYU Basketball
games attend down here in So Cal. Living in Orange County my trip to SD will
still be in place (just to a diferent school) and 3 schools to go see BYU play
in LA area. SWEET !!
Utefan is really jealous right now, ha ahaaaa. you really think you will be
perennial BCS contenders in the Pac-12? Ha ahaha whatever, keep dreamin' Pootes.
YEA!!!!!Now I can stop complaining about DISH Network not carrying The Mtn
Sports Network. I wonder if this will be the beginning of the end of The Mtn?
I bet Comcast is hating life right now.
They are all with NavalVet:He's drinking their tears...
We've got the stage..... now let's win some games....go cougs!
What's the matter DN, didn't like my comment to an earlier story? It's obvious
that BYU is in it only for the almighty $$$, which disappoints me as a member of
the Church. Never thought the Church leaders would allow athletic $$$s to be a
motivator. And don't tell me it's a missionary tool. So they are braggin' that
BYU has a six game series with ND. AF, Army, and Navy played ND back in its
heydey and probably each one has beated ND at least six times. Go Falcons!
I think Uncle Rico sums up the attitude in Provo that does indeed confirm that
little brother had to do something even if in the process he did it behind the
backs of his fellow conference members, asked of others what he himself would
not commit to and then begged ESPN to be its sugar daddy for Wednesday and
Thursday nites, all so he could say, "Take that, Utah!" After the Yners recover
from shooting themselves in the foot, they will still be walking with a large
limp and still be little brother with no change at the BCS!
I am a Ute Fan and I am really excited for BYU-- it sounds like a great deal-- a
little uncertain, but a great deal. I am looking forward to being able to cheer
for BYU and not have its victories adversely affect my Utes. Here's to hoping
they still play each other every year (and Utah wins them all).
Uncle Rico:"Take that Utah?"It is all about the Utes 24/7 and it's
happening even faster than everyone thought!
Great move by BYU. Utah and their fans will agree that seeing the Holy war on
ESPN or ABC will be 5,000 times better than Todd Christianson and the nedicore
at best mnt. The schedule may look a little bit on the weak side but nothing
worse than the lower teir of the MWC. The 2011 and 2012 schedules are starting
to fill out nicely. Once those years are set, everything after 2012 will be
cake. Especially if BYU wins big in 11' and 12'. I cant wait to see what teams
we will get to come to Provo now that it will be on ESPN. Also cant wait to see
what damage UTAH can do to the Pac-10. BYU and Utah have owned the Pac-10 the
last 5 seasons and hope that Utah will make a great run in 11' and beyond. This
is great for the entire Wasatch front exept for Logan. The least the MWC can do
is invite USU for being such an honest program through this whole process. I
expect TCU to look elsewhere at the end of this season since the MWC BCS chances
YES! It is a great day for BYU. We are finally out from under the inferior TV
arrangement of the MWC. Understand this...Boise State already regrets entering
into the MWC headaches and will leave soon, as will TCU. The MWC, with its TV,
is a disaster. The Bronco fans are very used to seeing their boys on TV every
week, but that will come to a screeching halt next year. Ute fans...enjoy your
home games...and be ready to travel to watch them on the road. I don't forsee
them on TV much. The PAC 11 has very little Utah TV coverage.
Take that Utah.
Only two programs in the entire west have a greater sports legacy than BYU, and
that's USC football, and UCLA basketball. But because interest in only regional
for those teams, only BYU could command the interest from national partners that
is has. Phenomenal home run Coogs.
I'm wondering about the players. How the present underclassmen and new recruits
are feeling about all of this. New exposure for them! Wow! What a Labor Day
present to be handed.
BYU losing a few football games under the new arrangement does not ruin the
season (as some have suggested) any more than it did in the MWC. Either way, the
hope for a conference championship or BCS bowl is gone. Therefore, BYU has
nothing to lose (and much to gain) by going independent. Look at
Notre Dame. The hope each year is to get to the BCS game, but if not, they're
fighting for a bowl game berth and giving their fans excellent match-ups week
after week on national TV. So it will be with the Cougars!!
@utah alumni and Gordon good posts just a couple of more points, the PAC-12 does
not now nor do they plan in the future to evenly share TV revenue. In three
years, the U will share evenly in bowl revenues (that is a big deal). TV
revenues is divided based totally on individual appearances. This is why the U
to compete is augmenting its fund raising because while it will have more money
it will not be equal money with the other members. To some extent this is why
the Arizona schools and the smaller market PAC-10 teams do not compete equally
I like the move alot BYU helped put ESPN on the map with consistent college
football games (read the article Yewtie fans) Now ESPN is returning the favor. I
like the idea of playig Notre Dame, so i will see BYU on either NBC,BYU-TV, or
ESPN, and you know Texas will be a good draw to. Meanwhile the Kewgs will get
their chance at BSU in 2012....and as a afterthought will the mtn. become a PBS
station for sports? and What was Patterson saying about the TCU Toads 2 weeks
Congratulations to BYU. Can't wait to watch you play every Tuesday. Nice.
Recruiting for the minor sports is really going to rocket internationally. BYU
will draw athletes from Asia, Europe, Central/South America and maybe Africa.BYU will find a great home for track, swimming and diving etc. They can
sponsor and televise their own invitationals. As the Football team
moves out of the Intermountain region the recruiting will pick up in the South,
MidWest and East. BYU will be stronger, faster and have more non members. The blow up of the WAC 5 year deal was a blessing. The more national
games BYU schedules the more relevant they are nationally. We will
see how BSU fares as the season wears on. There is already controversy about
their ranking and schedule strength. With out ESPN games they lose relevance and
voting support. The BCS is supposed to be moving toward some type of
playoff system. As long as BYU can get into the playoffs they will
be very relevant. The TX model is going to affect teams like USC, FL
and maybe OH State. USC could easily get 30-40 million a year in TV if they
stiffed the PAC instead of subsidizing the deadwood.
I remember BYU and ESPN back in the day. They kind of made each other. Now
ESPN is the giant of the sporting world and BYU is going to benefit BIG TIME!I really hope the BYU/Notre Dame game turns into a new major rivalry. I like
it.It seem really weird that the MWC has no presence in the state of
Utah now. I hope they extend an invite to USU.
Since their 1984 National Championship the Cougars are free! Let's hope this
helps "let's the oppressed (since 84) go free. Perhaps this is the way to
finally go to a BCS game. I was hoping that BYU would have made a good
deal with the Mountain West but this is the best they could do. They weren't
motivated by respect from the BSC but more towards getting the best TV/revenue
and television access for all fans inside and outside of the church. The
only downfall is leaving a decent conference in the other 12 sports for the West
Coast Conference who have Gonzaga and St. Mary's but not much competition.
However, there is still equal opportunity for a championship in the other sports
because their are playoffs.
BSU BRONCO!!You sound just like another incarnation of the most
BYU-obsessed, clueless DN blogger, hedgehog.BYU's rival will always
be Utah; it's the least the Cougars can do for the Utes who will still get to
play on national television at least once every other year when they visit LES.
BSU BRONCO"dont want to have to deal with being sent to the wood
shed by Boise"Your Broncos will be visiting LES in 2012. Crowton is
long gone and Jake Heaps will be playing his third year as a starter.Good luck on making good on your clueless "sending BYU to the wood shed"
boast.Even in the weakened MWC, with BYU and Utah both gone, Boise
State's days of undefeated conference championships will quickly end. UNLV used
to own their previous conference in basketball just like Boise State has owned
the WAC in football. Then the Rebels joined the MWC and 3rd and 4th place
conference finishes became the norm for UNLV.
Duh,Somehow I doubt that BYU football recruiting will really be
affected by this move. Because: Mendenhall noted that "a kid who wants the BYU
experience can only get it at BYU."So, I doubt that getting more
exposure and losing to Texas or Notre Dame will change someone's thinking to
make them want to go to BYU. Really, the kids that want to go to BYU
will go to BYU. I don't think that the move makes a difference. Just like the
Utes move to the PAC wasn't going to make any difference...
Anyone seen Hedgie??? I'm concerned that he may have been wringing his hands so
hard today that he is no longer able to type...Also, does anyone
besides me believe that Boise St. now regrets moving to the MWC? When they
entered as a replacement for Utah, their TV revenue would have been a wash at
best. Now w/o BYU and adding the two WAC defectors it's gotta be less than what
they were getting before. Simple math would suggest something just less than
$1MM per MWC team. Even assuming they're able to keep rolling like they have
done for the last few years and bust the BCS again, they'll now have to share
the revenue with more schools.
The way I see it is MWC took ESPN's most regularly scheduled draw when they
recruited BSU. So, they have replaced the Broncos, with the Cougars. Nice work
ESPN and probably for less total money. Also, with regard to the schedule check
out the schedule of the number three ranked team in the nation this year. One
quality win, and some good, but not great teams and BSU could be in the National
Championship Game. Each game now really is all that matters for BYU. Now that
is great training for every person and each athlete.
Why not simply put the focus of the institution where it belongs...on scholarly
I like how Tom said, we are willing to take the risk. Yes it is a risk but the
dividends are endless. I think this will make a great recruiting tool. True we
have to get quality wins and can't afford to lose to any lower tier teams. Every
team has them, even Florida, Oklahoma and Ohio State. We may take a few loses
along the way, we are not going to just come out and rule over everyone but we
have the potential to do great things. Kudos BYU, I am excited for the years to
come. Goodbye MWC and the MTN. Hello ESPN and ABC. And as a side note, good luck
Utes in the PAC-10, you have great potential and I wish the best......until you
So I take it that the mighty powerful kitties dont want to have to deal with
being sent to the wood shed by Boise and TCU every year. Now you can play Weber
State, Utah State, Southern Utah, ISU, and that power house Notre Dame every
year. Whose your rival going to be now SUU or Weber! If its about the money,
which it is. Heres an idea run the table go to a bowl that matters and get the
million dollar payday. There will be more money thru TV revenue however you
still wont be going to a BCS game anytime in the next 10 to 15 years. So
continue to play in a bowl that dosnt matter and enjoy watching the Broncos win
more BCS games!
This is going to radical to the max!!!!!
@ JMTCurrently, the only independent team that has a BCS "exception"
is Notre Dame. Army and Navy (the only others since W. Kentucky joined the Sun
Belt) must qualify like WAC and MWC teams. Many project Navy might challenge as
a BCS buster.The BCS won't chance for the next couple of years which
means when BYU begins its independence in 2011, they'll still be vying as a
BCS-buster.Perhaps when they renew the BCS that might change. In the
meantime, I believe BYU will have to run the table. The chances of them being
ranked in the top ten and/or be ahead of at least one of the BCS conference
champions would be slim if they do not.Not saying I agree with that,
but that's been the precedence. All busters, to this point have been
undefeated.Not impossible for BYU in 2011, but difficult if they are
playing "choice" opponents like ESPN and AD Holmoe are promising.
It sure pays to be in good standing with espn doesn't it? nice to have an 8 year
agreement on top of the byu tv that currently is in nearly 60 million homes
across the nation. And now with an agreement to play Notre Dame well into the
future, BYU will be on NBC when they play them.
I do not know the requirements for an independent to get into a BCS though in
general this is a better deal for BYU. I am die-hard BYU though reality check is
BYU in the national championship is slim to none. Getting into a BCS game,
decent chance.I cannot believe that a 1-loss BYU with quality wins
over BCS Conference teams won't qualify them for BCS. Say they beat Oregon
State, Utah, Norte Dame and lose a respectable game to Texas, run the rest of
the weak schedule. If they do not get into a BCS bowl they get into another
major bowl and likely play on New Years Day.And they won't have to
share bowl money with anyone. The money from the Vegas bowl was weak, even worse
when split 9 ways. And the exposure...imagine recruiting when you
tell them they are going to play on 300 million TV sets a year, plus a big bowl
game. They will hit more TV sets than the PAC-10.This is a big deal
for BYU, if they win! Win and it all comes together. Lay eggs and South Dakota
bowl looks good.
I have supported BYU football and have coached several kids on past and present
teams. I love football. But to sell out all the other sports for the all
mighty dollar and the way it was done is an embarrassment to the school and the
church. They drop wrestling and Gymnastics to save money and now they turn
around and are going to have to drop other sports to make a few more million
dollars. The missionary tool does not fly. Just like when they dropped
athletics at BYU Idaho this is a big mistake for other athletes besides football
players. I hope they never win again in football and it turns around on them.
They could have had the same exposure with a tougher MWC and been just as
exposed to the world. Sad day for the church and the now very jv sports at BYU.
After 149 comments . . .No Chris B. - No Hedgehog - No Otis
SpunkmireAnd as for the Ute fans that have commented, they have been
pretty much on the level and without the "trollness" of the above mentioned
worms.I did notice on Rivals comments that thee were those who said
BYU would never develop a schedule like Notre Dames.Well, the boys
in the blue and gold play 3 ranked teams (opening polls) this year. BYU plays 3
as well.NDs schedule is Purdue, Mich., Mich. St., Stanford, Boston
Col, Pitt, Western Mich., navy, Tulsa, Utah, Army and USC.Not bad,
but it does have it's cream puffs.BYU should have no problem getting
a comparable schedule.Come on Chris B. and Hedge . . . where are
I agree...can you imagine Craig Thompson talking to Boise, Fresno, and
Nevada.....now. He is a laughing stock.
Thoughts from a Ute fan: 1 - ESPN contract is fantastic and I'm jealous 2 -
BYU still needs to get into a conference (I wish it were PAC12). I just don't
see what meaning a season has anymore for BYU once they lose a game -- it's just
a bunch of exhibition games at that point. 3 - WCC is a major downgrade in
other sports no matter how fun it will be to play Gonzaga 4 - Overall a good
move because you just can't overstate how horrible the mountain TV deal is.
Actually USC's AD said today that he would HAVE to look at independence. TX and OK are essentially independent since they control their own
broadcast rights (but do not have BYU's truck or facility). FL will
certainly explore the option and probably is already. OH State should be also.
The TV exposure is great.............. if you can beat the "storied" programs
that ESPN can hook you up with. ESPN isn't going to turn into the KBYU2 for
you.To break in to the BCS as an independent you will have to beat
good teams that beat other good teams, otherwise the computers will destroy
you.Good Luck. It should be interesting.
I'm a BYU fan in SoCal.Looks like Utah and BYU each landed the best
possible deal they could get this year. Congrats to both.I'd come
to see the.mtn as a faith-based network: BYU's games were things hoped for but
not seen.As BYU and Utah go our separate ways, I'm heartened by the
class most Utah fans have shown in your comments. Thanks.This will,
however, prevent teh realization of a treasured dream I had: * BYU stayed
in the MWC for a couple more years* BYU and Utah continue to end their
seasons playing each other* TCU beats BYU to win the MWC* Undefeated
TCU goes to a BCS bowl...* Sending 2nd-place BYU to the Las Vegas Bowl to
play the PAC's #5 team...* 7-5 Utah! for the first consecutive games
between these two venerable rivals.
BYU just joined Texas, USC, Oklahoma, Florida as independents!What?You didn't know that USC, Florida, Texas and Oklahoma are
independent?They are the only reason there is a Big 12 or Pac 12 or
SEC......no one cares about the rest of the schools!
Rise and shout! Now go and win games and enjoy the ride.
I re-iterate. Why the big hoo-hah about the BCS aspects of this? The BCS won't
be around in present format within just a very few years. Those who hitched
their wagon to it will have to scramble to fit into the new national framework,
whatever its form. Will BYU have automatic access? Who knows. BUt no worse
off than being associated perpetually with only regional small-market teams. In
the meantime, It won't be an easy road. But it's their own to chart, not be
dictated by a limited organization. If schools aren't afraid to take them on,
they'll have plenty of interested football opponents, more interest than 75% of
MWC siblings gave them. And in other sports the WCC has a better, wider base
than naysayers are afraid to give them credit for, as good as if not better than
most of the MWC.
Laughable that Yewties are concerned for the Y basketball options.........Don't
worry Yewts, your basketball team will find the basement of the pac 12 in the
first week and never be seen again,Just like your football program!
TX and BYU are the new model for the teams with large TV draws. USC is not going
to just keep doing the status quo. The BCS contract is up in 2
years. Who knows what it will morph into but I expect some step towards a play
off system. I also expect the edition of another BCS bowl in the Jerry dome in
Dallas. NBC, Fox, ESPN, CBS are starting to figure out it is much
cheaper to do direct deals with the best TV draws than to subsidize a whole
conference. They are also figuring out that the conferences are
fluid and fragile and tradition is way over rated compared to TV revenue. Look for more major change in the next 2 years. More TX, BYU type deals
and more conference realignments. If there is a playoff the TV
powers can arrange more interesting regular season games that draw (and pay) and
still have the big draw teams make the top 16 playoff teams with 2 losses. They
have less need of televising poor match ups so the contenders can go undefeated
by avoiding each other. BYU will be positioned well for BCS changes.
bigdaddy,Right now it's the same parameters for inclusion to BCS
bowls that it was with the MWC. BYU just needs to finish in the top 12 of the
final season BCS standings...And hope for an at-large invite. Even
if they finish in the top 12 of the BCS standings, it won't guarantee them of a
I applaud all the class comments of several Ute fans here. I agree
this has been a great summer for Utah and BYU. Good bye and Good Riddance
MWC!!!Congrats BYU, and as I said earlier in the summer, congrats
Congrats BYU. Sounds like you'll get out of this pretty good. Still,
while this sounds like a great deal, I wonder if it's all the 'awesomeness' some
of you have described on these posts. Perhaps the spin doctors are just cranking
it out.For example, ESPN/ESPN 2 in 99.5% of households? I have my
doubts.Furthermore, BYUTV in 55 million homes? Sure, but how many
people are actually watching it? In my neck of the woods, it's nestled neatly
between C-Span 3 and a slew of christian channels like ETWN. My guess is that
few college FB fans that are non-LDS or non-Y alums will not tune in to games on
BYUTV. (Because if ESPN has passed on it, it's likely not going to be great
competition---and if it's on a Saturday, people will opt for the bigger games on
ABC and CBS).I think the deal is great for Y fans, but I'm not going
to jump to conclusions that they'll be in everyone's home and that folk out here
in Big-Ten country are going to Rise and Shout...
willary"Utah will be getting aprx. $15-20M from it's Pac-12 TV"Utah will never get close to $15-20 million from the PAC and the vast
majority of Utah's games will be local or regional broadcasts.Ironically, the Utes will have at least one guaranteed nationally televised
game every other year, when they come to Provo.
USportsFan | 6:18 p.m.When the PAC deal was signed, many Ute fans
were claiming that Utah would only play BYU on a 3-1, so that comment was
directed at them.So, yeah, see if that deal is still the only chance
BYU has at playing Utah.Hill said he didn't know if it could be
worked out. Both Bronco and Holmoe are tired of the Ute "anti-zoob"
schtick, and commented at the time that they would like to see the "rivalry calm
down".Don't expect to see BYU in RES for many years.But
it's all good. Too bad you read hate into it.It's just time for Utah
to let go of BYU's apron strings.Smile... It's all good...And when Chris B becomes ungrounded from the computer, he can continue his
countdown until Holmoe is fired. We're on day six of Holmoe's seven days.Unless he's going back to posting as NavalVet or Otis or HedgeHog...
Beck just signed an extension with the Redskins. Hall looks like he is making
the Cardinals. USC's AD just said he would have to consider going
independent. Overall it is a bad day to be a troll.
@essayRight now it's the same parameters for inclusion to BCS bowls
that it was with the MWC. BYU just needs to finish in the top 12 of the final
season BCS standings.As for getting an independent exception to the
BCS like ND has, the BCS is meeting sometime in the next week to discuss this.
WE'll know more next week.
I can't express my joy and happiness enough that BYU is leaving the Mountain
West Conference and Craig Thompson.....How would you like to be him...He lost
BYU and Utah in the same year because he was unwilling to know who the leaders
of his conference were. Playing the basketball tournament every year on UNLV's
home court, not allowing BYU to rebroadcast games, crappy bowl tie-ins, not to
mention that lousy Mtn. network, etc. it went on and on. Good riddance.
@statman9Other big name opponents that are currently working on
schedules with BYU are Clemson, Texas Tech and I've heard Oklahoma St.
@williaryMaybe your head's so far up there that there's no hope of
you ever seeing the light.1). Do you have supporting documentation
verifying Utah's getting $15-$20 million or is this more Ute fan pie in the sky
"we're going to dominate the Pac 10" hype? Articles I read this past summer (not
written by members of Utah media) put the potential number for the new media
contract much lower since it's been projected that both Utah and Colorado will
be a drain on the revenue and not bring any financial might of their own. It
even estimated that with USC's sanctions and likely decline in TV appeal that
the deal will be even less than the current. Then on top of that you have to
divide it up by two extra mouths to feed.2).Same requirements for
BYU to get into the BCS, we just need to finish in the top 12 to get an invite.
Nothing changed there. Meanwhile, with Utah being the lowest budgeted team in
the Pac 10 by far, their chances of a Rose Bowl are worse than Washington St.
How many have they made?
Veritas Aequitas,Have Dr. Hill call Holmoe the stud and see if Utah can
get a 3-1.Sure, Utah will agree to play 3 home games at RES
for 1 away in LES. I don't think that is what you were saying though.I have to ask, why the hatred with Utah? Today BYU improved their
situation. I was skeptical with the situation, even yesterday. Be happy with
that. It isn't quite as nice as being in the PAC, but that wasn't really an
option. But I really think that things will be better in the future than in the
MWC.Holmoe intends to go on with the rivalry game and will probably
schedule that game at RES in 2011 and every other year at LES.So,
unless you are planning on joining the ranks of Emperor Palpatine, let the
Hey ute fan stop bringing up the BCS conference argument. Just because your in a
auto qualifying conference doesn't mean you can go 7-5 and go to the BCS bowl
promised land. Both BYU and Utah has alot to prove the next couple years and
that is win,win,win. So Utes stop counting your money and BCS appearances
before they hatch. At least Yners as you call us, are realistic and we know a
no loss or one loss is the only hope we have but at least we aren't in dream
land like u!! Did you know ESPN contract and BYUtv advertising pays starting
next year? Your PAC 12 contract doesn't pay you for 4 years. hmmmm. After a 8-4
season LES sells out. After a Utah 8-4 seasons Ute fan sells out and cheers for
USC. Thats why ESPN made an 8 yr agreement with BYU. Now go throw your beer on
an Oregon Duck!!!
willary with a name like that you can't be taken seriuosly. (i'd drop the name)
and gordy:where are you getting your info from? none of your remarks are
accurate, but then i guess that doesn't matter when you are dillusional. it is
the likes of you two that I am a byu fan and a utah graduate.Here's just a
few facts:most televised games will be on saturday. all games will
be televised and on line. end of season ranking in the top 14 and
automatic BCS bid.8 years espn contract.No revenue sharing.utah doesn't share in a full split until year 5.
Johnny Triumph | 2:13 p.m. Sept. 1, 2010 How quickly will Directv drop the
mtn from basic packages in Utah? -------------------If a tree falls
on the mtn and no one is around to watch did it really happen? Does anyone even
Just one more thing ... It was a class act to invite Lavell Edwards
to the proceedings. BYU wouldn't be where it is today without his groundbreaking
"My daddy can beat up your daddy". Time to grow up children. You
all sound like 4 year olds. It is hard to believe that you or most likely in
college or graduates.
I couldn't be more pleased! Most of our family's graduates matriculated from
the University of Utah. All members of our family are Latter-day Saints. We
will certainly be cheering for Utah and BYU.All this good news for
both our schools would be eclipsed by news that they won't schedule or play each
other any more. I was worried they might meet in the Vegas Bowl, but happy day!
That won't happen now. I say let us bury the holy war and put an end to the
As a UTE fan I'm happy for BYU and its fans!I was hoping they would
take the plunge and choose independence. It's a gutsy move but one I think will
help BYU in the long run.I ask only one thing ... please ... keep a
game date open to play Utah. I love the rivalry and wish both the Utes and Cougs
continuing success. It just wouldn't be the same if we could no longer play
you.It was great go see BYU and Utah make such BIG moves this
summer. Bye, bye lousy Mtn Network may you die a quick death.
Gotta chuckle at Ute fans like Gordon coming on here, referring to BYU fans as
Y-ners, and belittling the deal BYU just brokered. You are certainly right,
Gordon, that BYU will have a difficult time getting to a BCS bowl game, but
three other things are certainly clear: 1) It won't be any harder than if they
had stayed in the MWC; 2) It won't be any harder for them to get to the BCS than
it will for Utah; and 3) Even if they don't get to a BCS game, a good season
will land them in a lot better bowl game than the Las Vegas Bowl, and probably a
lot better bowl than the Utes will be in.Both Utah and BYU have put
themselves in good positions, and neither would want to trade with the other. We
should be happy for each other.
What Ute fans don't realize is that the BCS continues to be an
anti-trust monopoly that will be challenged until all teams have equal and fair
access to a national championship decided on the field.Every regular
season game should count for conference champions and independents to be seeded
in a playoff. The bowls will probably be used to sponsor each phase of the
playoff.Currently, money and greed control college football. It has
already begun this year with the pre-season opinion polls which have already
eliminated most teams below their Top 25 from having a shot at their mythical
Thank you Brothers Samuelson and Holmoe for giving me the opportunity to see my
beloved Cougs in such "storied" football locales as Ruston Louisiana, Las Cruces
New Mexico and Moscow Idaho.
All those who say the lack of discussion of specific monetary facts is a sign
that BYU won't get enough money, or that Utah will get "piles" more money than
BYU, or complaining their tithing money goes towards BYU Football, sorely need
to evaluate their position. BYU just happens to be one of ONLY TWO football
programs in the country that is in the black every year. Not ONE NICKEL of
tithing goes towards BYU Football; hasn't for years. BYU gets tons more money
from non-sharing independence ESPN revenues than they ever would from a
re-worked Mtn deal. Utah, on the other hand, has one of the smallest (tied for
smallest, actually) stadiums in the PAC 12 Conference. They need to have to
expand their stadium. With the way state revenues are looking, how hard will
that be and at what cost? BYU had to expand years ago and even while Crowton
was the coach BYU sold more seats that the U. Plus, our taxes will build your
new stadium, whether we are Utah fans or not. You should be congratularting us!
You're going to resemble the bottom-feeders now = the underachieving Arizona
Good for BYU. I'm looking forward to being able to see the games. BYU fans: don't even try to rub this in - they would have much rather had a
BCS conference invite. Just as you say the Utes were a second choice for the
PAC, this was BYU's second choice... and we haven't seen any mention of a BCS
deal (but as was said above, going undefeated will maybe a little easier without
playing TCU, Boise State, and Utah - just hope they don't over-schedule).Ute fans: there's no reason to be anything but happy for BYU in this
case. This makes it easier for the rivalry to continue. Good luck
Cougs in all games but one...
This is great news. I didn't like the fact that BYU was going to be stuck in the
MTN while Utah moved on. I wanted some of the other deserving Non-BCS teams to
get some recognition.I have some questions though on the deal with
ESPN, and the BCS/Bowl status of BYU that won't be answered here, but we'll see
played out over the next few years.Is ESPN going to force BYU to
weekday play like they did originally to the MWC?How much is ESPN
paying BYU? How will BYU measure success without a Conference Championship?
What bowls will they get tie-ins with? And will BYU be able to load their
schedule with great teams, since many of the big teams they will need to play
are in large conferences which eats up their available game spots?I
think the indie thing for BYU is great. But those who say Utes are jealous are
off base. I for one like the idea of stability and consistent returns that the
PAC will offer Utah. TV and constant BCS money every year.Utah as a
state has had an amazing summer!
I've followed BYU Softball from day one (my daughter played at Wisconsin), so
I'm still unsettled about what happens to a very good softball program and a
storied track program. I suppose deals can be made to have them compete in
other conferences. Seems a stretch to have them competing independently. But I
certainly hope to hear something soon on a good arrangement for these deserving
UTAH MAN AM I | 4:46 p.m."but thanks for guaranteeing that the rivalry
game will be shown on big boy sports TV."===Ummm what rivalry
game?Have Dr. Hill call Holmoe the stud and see if Utah can get a
3-1.Who wants to play in a Mid-Major 45,000 RES when they can sell
out LES?The hatred is not worth BYU propping up the Utes anymore.
Getting old carrying you kids and your anti zoob schtick. Time for the hatred,
and 2/3rd of Utah's fanbase to realize they don't like football, and go back to
"living hard"...Maybe the Ute Fans can bring inflatable dolls of
USC's players moms into the colleseum (right there in East LA).You're not in Happy Valley plans anymore.
:Wiley Old SchoolEvery game televised? First, the Mtn. is a sorry
imitation of "televised." Second, only available on DirectTV and Comcast.
Third, only available in the MWC area. Best exposure and access was from KSL
radio live streaming... not too many folks out there dedicated enough to do
It is just my opinion but I would rather have BYU stay Independent before going
to the Big 12. Texas runs that conference and get's whatever they want. If
necessary at other schools expense. Like the new Texas Tech coach said before he
got his hand slapped, "A conference will not last when one school gets more than
the others." Nebraska was smart to bail out.
This has been an incredible summer for the state of Utah. Who could have
predicted months ago that instead of being hidden away in the MTN closet we
would have a team in the PAC and another with fantastic exposure as an
independent in the 'ESPN Conference'? Go Utah. Go BYU. Let's enjoy at least
one day in the sunshine together.
Even if Y-ners get this exposure, remember you have no chance of a BCS game
unless you are undefeated and ranked #2....but you can't play pansies like Boise
did because then sugar daddy will not want to put you on...so you have to play a
schedule that guarantees you will be on tv...the money is most important...but
then you won't be undefeated, unless you believe in fairy tales, so you won't
have that slimmest of chances to get to a BCS bowl. Sounds like Hobson's choice
to me!Ute fans can hardly believe that this is the best business
plan desperate men in Provo could conger up!
In the 60's, 70's and 80's BYU had a boatload of European athletes who were
referred by members there. I can see that trend coming back around in a big way
because of the international exposure.
You are an LDS athlete, and you want a quality school, a good
environment, national exposure and the chance for your parents to see you on TV
every week. Your choices are the best local college -- and BYU.You
are a European basketball player, and you dream of playing in the
NBA. You'd also like to get a quality education and have your parents see you
on TV. You know you can get to the NBA and get a good education playing for a
college in the U.S., and the school whose games are broadcast to your home and
available on the internet is -- BYU.You are an athlete outside the
U.S. with ambitions beyond sport.You want to do business in the U.S.
someday so you seek an immersion experience in English and American culture.
You also want your friends and family to see you on TV so you choose -- BYU.You are the head of the Chinese Athletic Association and you
want your athletes to get international exposure and an immersion experience in
English and American culture, and your citizens to see them play. You send your
athletes to -- BYU.
I would like to eat my share of crow and apple pie. Also, I wish to
congratulate BYU and wish them the best in their new endeavor.
Hmmmmm....ND for 6 years through 2020 but only 3 at home....so thats
2011,13,15,and Texas for 3 but only 1 at home, 2012...so who are the other 5 or
6 home games with? And most importantly who will the Y-ners play in October and
November when BSC teams are playing in their conferences? I am
amazed that Y-ner think that 8 years on ESPN on Thursdays and Fridays will be
something that they cheer about! ESPN as sugar daddy sure thought you were
pretty just not that pretty to take anywhere important on Saturday! Soon people
will be able to ask...what is the difference between Boise State when it was in
the WAC and Ybu now that they are independent... and the answer will be
nothing....they both played games during the week instead of Saturday!
Sounds like there are going to be a lot of late night/week night games for the
Zoobs. Say hello to Wednesday and Thursday night games and ESPN U.
congratulations. This sounds like a great partnership for the Cougs. l like the
Utes joining the the PAC 10(?) but that clearly wasn't a good fit for the TDS.
Still, Cougar fans have to be as excited about this news as we were in SLC. Good
Now, just win baby!A HUGE risk with a high possibility of reward.
The flip side is that if BYU loses multiple games each year, they'll still get
to a bowl game but their exposure decreases on ESPN (in the contract). Just
win, and all your problems melt away. Also, with everyone saying
that BYU has to win all their games to get to a BCS game - how is that different
than what they have to do now? No, this isn't the same as going to the PAC 12
or Big 12 - I don't think anyone would argue that, but at the very least BYU
controls their own future and revenue possibilities. I'll take that over being
in the MWC any day.
Ungrateful small-minded fans. Good riddance to you all.
This caps a great summer for BYU and Utah.
What about BBall games. I enjoyed watching those (pretty much all of them) when
conferance started and several before that. I know the WCC has a tv contract
with ESPN for those games but how many will we get to see. Also I read on ESPN
that they are only required to show 3 games a year? The rest will be on byutv?
What about away games? I would imagine BYU will schedule with ESPN's help
schools that are under contract with ESPN in order to show those games. Hope
As I listened attentively to Tom Holmoe in the press conference, I cannot
believe that this had nothing to do with money - only exposure. COME ON!!!Then
he stated that the arrangement with the WCC is long term and BYU is not looking
beyond the WCC. Later in the press conference he answered the question from the
press regarding the BIG 12 that language is built into the WCC agreement that
BYU can leave. You have to believe that BYU will jump at the chance to join the
BIG 12 if offered the opportunity. How can Tom Holmoe keep a straight face!!
Although BYU Independence Day could be a great thing, Tom Holmoe lost alot of
credibility with me. I also believe that he has thrown the Softball program
under the bus for now.
I think BYU and Utah both did well for themselves. having lived 20 years
outside of Utah I enjoy reading these comments from Utah based BYU and UTAH
fans. For 40 years BYU has built a national reputation in football. Today is
evidence of that. What you Utahns don't understand is the rest of the country
aren't worked up about this at all. It's football season and they could care
less about you two. But I can tell you that everyone knows who BYU is. Not so
many have a clue who Utah is. Many of my friends think Utah is USU. Bad or good
this is real life and if you leave the state of Utah you will find this out. I
live in PAC 10 country and cheer for the local team and as bad as the mtn
channel is fox is not much better and the PAC 10 teams are all crying about what
a sucky contract/exposure package they have, if only we could be on ESPN!!!!
Sound familiar? Now for fun just for fun.... ESPN approached BYU first, phone is
ringing off hook to get a chance to play BYU!! Go Cougs!!!!!!!
@patriot"Not sure if this is going to be good or just be the
beginning of the end of the Y in the NCAA."Why do you keep hoping that BYU
will lose their sports? Are you really that paranoid about playing BYU in
anything?I'll admit that Utah has a better gig going than BYU, but
BYU's deal is still pretty good. . .better than the status quo.So
why can't you (and many other yewts) be happy with your invitation into the PAC
and quit dogging the Cougs with the deal they just struck.
Well played byu. Sounds like a pretty good deal. As a Utah fan here's hoping to
you guys getting owned every single weekend on national TV, but thanks for
guaranteeing that the rivalry game will be shown on big boy sports TV.
Well planned (many years, not a knee-jerk reaction to being 'jealous' at Utah),
well executed (WAC implosion is not the fault of BYU), and well, the A.D. just
won big time (Holmoe tried to tell us in June), now the team can focus on the
game. GO COUGS!Hey Hedge cronies et.al. - still think Holmoe should
be fired before Saturday? How nice to hear...crickets
Exciting. Great job by Holmoe. I live in Houston and will enjoy seeing most of
the games. Might even consider not buying season tickets. Nah!Already looking for Texas tickets. Longhorns have never beaten BYU. I even
think Wyoming will fight them hard next week. (Remember Tennesse)Do
you think the Utes could repeat our performance from 1984 by beating a ranked
Pitt (we did it on the road)? Has Utah ever been ranked #1 in the nation in
football for even one week?I have heard that CBS will never televise
a BYU game. Can someone catch me up on the history?I like ESPN's
deal and this will be a good year. Once our quarterback situation works itself
ExecutorIoh:Not sure who's going to pay the extra to go from $4MM to
$6MM. I don't think it's home games because I read the agreement to be that all
home games will run on an ESPN channel (perhaps most on ESPNU but still an ESPN
channel). I'd assume away games would typically be run on BYUTV but maybe there
are other parties who's pay to have it run elsewhere.That might not
be a bad estimate for the PAC. Add, however, the shared PAC bowl revenues and
the gap widens. At least one BCS payout (occasionally two) annually plus
contributions from 5-6 second tier bowls. Better than a full share of one minor
bowl.But, from a money standpoint, BYU clearly sees a net plus over
one share of the MTN TV revenues and combined MWC bowl revenues.
Wow!! I am such a huge BYU fan and I am so happy they were able to pull this
off.. Thanks to ESPN for acknowledging the legacy of BYU football. I think this
will only help add to the rivalry with Utah and I can't wait to see it continue.
Congrats to both programs for finally getting the recognition they deserve! So
long MWC and hair Thompson! Thanks for nothin!
Money is great but I can't wait to watch all of the games on HD. More
basketball, better football, more of other sports.
@ CivilWell said.I am very excited about this. Would I rather
be in the PAC 12 like Utah? probably, but I am ecstatic about getting out of the
MWC (mostly because of TV coverage, not the quality of teams.) I would really
like a chance at BCS games which doesn't seem to be in the picture with this
deal. I do think that Utah will win the PAC within 5 years and
enjoy the Rose Bowl. I don't agree with the naysayers that Utah won't be able to
compete. They are already better than 80% of the teams in that conference. I am
confident they will do very well in their new home.BYU will also do
fine. If we continue to win and show that we can compete with the big schools,
this could be very lucrative. If we don't win in football, then this move will
hurt us bad. But I love the risk. Congrats and kudos to Holmoe, Samuelson, and
"ESPN and ESPN2 are both available in 99.5% of homes."Do 99.5
percent of homes even have television? Mine doesn't, and I don't think we
represent only 1 household out of 200.
Good on ya Cougs. However, it's still gonna be tough to get into a BCS bowl
game. It's too bad you weren't given the same BCS rights as Notre Dame. Good
luck this season, that is of course till we meet at RES
@ zoob clone GreggYou really trying to compare Gameday last year at
TCU with the zoob fiasco at home???Dude, go steal some of your
wife’s OxyContin… I was giving the Cougs a compliment -- I think
this will be a good thing for BYU…Trying to give a zoob a
compliment is like trying to feed an alligator with your bare hands.
What are the details of the BYU basketball TV contract? What deal does the WCC
currently have with ESPN?
BigDaddy "With the best teams going indy, this will render BCS conferences like
the Pac 10, Big 12, etc more like the MWC, CUSA or the WAC and change the way
the BCS looks at the whole football landscape". Which teams? ND and BYU who
else? One small detail, You have to WIN and go Undefeated
As an LDS Ute fan I am thrilled to be able to cheer for BYU next year, as long
as they don't play my Utes.
I'm very excited for this deal. Why are people worried about the BCS? It's not
going to be around for that much longer and now that ESPN has the games and a
contract with BYU do you really think BYU would be in the top 8 of the BCS and
get left out??? Who cares about a guarantee? They don't need one.WCC
is fine. Playing all the games in California, Washington and Oregon is way
better than going to NM, Wyoming, Reno etc. The competition in most sports is as
good or better than the MWC. I like that they are all private religious schools.
SDSU, UNM and UNLV basketball is based on recruiting thugs who got kicked out of
UCLA, Kansas etc. or were too risky to recruit in the first place. I'll be happy
to go see Gonzaga and St. Mary's.The best part of this is the games
will be on TV. Everyone who wants to be able to see them can. The smaller sports
will be on TV and playing in better locations. I don't think they'll miss the
MWC much and football has FREEDOM from the mtn
Fear brings anger, anger brings hate, and hate brings misery...
The Big 10 and SEC both have TV agreements that put them near $20M/school/year.
Neither the Big12 or the Pac-10 has the unique combination of strength of
conference and TV viewership to warrant a similar contract. The ACC just signed
a contract with ESPN for about $11M/school/year and that is for both basketball
and football (and the ACC has some awesome basketball). I would doubt highly
that the Pac-10 with the inclusion of Colorado (3-9) and Utah (mid-major) with
the medicrity of late will be able to command more than $12-13M/school/year when
the new deal is done. And it is that high only because of the number of
viewers. Just my thoughts.
These are rumors that I have heard:That the ESPN deal with BYU amounts to
$4M per year to broadcast a min of 3 games. BYU retains the rights to broadcast
the remaining games or rebroadcast ESPN games. With BYU's new broadcast center,
they get to cut out the middle-man there and air the other home games and
collect all the profit. Expect the TV arrangement in total to be worth about
$6M per year which they get from day 1.
Awesome. sure did shut up the Ute's. Historic day for BYU. Can't wait to
visit some of the incredible parts of the country follwing my Cougs in Football
as well as basketball.
Will somebody go tell Chris B. Naval Vet, Patriot and hedgeies mothers to wake
them up from their naps.....
re patriotYou are the funniest whinnie the pooh charcter Eior. The whole world is having a party and you are Eior off in your owen
gloom filled world. Rock on BYUtv and all the other winners ESPN,
ESPNU, and the ABC affiliates this is a tremendous day to be a Cougar fan that
now can see games the day of, also rebroadcast the same day and on BYUtv.This is so COOL !Oh sorry patriot forgot about you in the corner
of your little world.
Can't wait until I can take my son down to the Mariott Center and have a tip off
time of 10 PM on ESPN U. Everyone in the Country will stay up late for that
one? Right!!!! Isn't that the reason the Mountain started in the first place.
Oh well I read that BYUTV can rebroadcast the Y's game later even the same day.
Well if we tip off at 10 then I can go to bed wake up at 4 a.m. and watch the
rebroadcast and still get out to deliver my papers. Thank you so much Mr I mean
Well, if nothing else, the press conference essentially shut down the naysayers'
posts from that school up north. Seven nationally televised home games and the
ability to nationally televise the other five plus the almost certain bowl game
somewhere if they have a decent season, plus being able to keep all the money
they earn sounds pretty darn sweet to me! Way to go, Samuelson, Holmoe and ESPN!
I can't wait for 2011!
The WCC is not a huge step down from the MWC in my opinion. The MWC has become
pretty good in football but remains a poor conference in most other sports.
Basketball is about even maybe a little down. Many other sports like baseball,
soccer, volleyball and golf are improvements.
Johnny Triumph | 2:13 p.m. Sept. 1, 2010 How quickly will Directv drop the
mtn from basic packages in Utah? ===Ummmmm... What is
Based on the reaction of the BYU fans posting here, I must congratulate BYU for
achieving what their fans want and, ultimately, that should be the driving
factor.I admit that I underestimated how ecstatic the BYU fan base
would be just to see the games on (almost) free TV, e.g. ESPN, BYUTV. Every one
of your games this season is being broadcast, so it's not an access issue that
has been bugging you, clearly it's a FREE access issue (minus the ESPNU games
that usually require a premium sports package subscription... but, hey, free
reruns on BYUTV!). I agree with most that this comes at the cost of
never being able to pursue a conference championship and an even lessened
likelihood of ever playing in a BCS bowl (one loss and there's nothing left to
play for) but evidently that was worth the price.I don't know any
Utah fans who would want to change places with BYU in a million years, so it
seems that both BYU and Utah fans are delighted about how things have turned
out. Congrats to all!
So what are the BCS implications? Top 2? Top 8 like ND? Doubt it. That said, now can we move on to football? Tomorrow night it all begins. Good luck to byu until November.
Kudos to BYU. They really did pull it off. I am most happy for the local Utah
High School athletes who can now play on a big stage no matter where they choose
to go to school, Utah or BYU. Also, as a Utah fan I am thrilled that the
rivalry games will be on ESPN or the PAC 12 TV package. This is great for
everybody. I believe BYU was smart for aligning themselves with other faith
based schools. This could be a relationship that BYU elects to not break even
if another conference comes along in the future. It seems that these schools
have a lot in common in their academic offerings. They are not research heavy
weights like the PAC 12 but they don't need to be. Yes, Utah may have a home
game against Washington State while BYU is at home against Notre Dame but it
will even out when Utah is at home in basketball against UCLA and BYU is at home
against the University of Portland. But, this is a good day for BYU and all the
athletes in the State of Utah.
What a great day to be a Coug!!!
Re: WilliaryYou missed the bigger picture dude...the u may
eventually get to the big payout, it all depends on the new TV contract. I
expect a good deal for the PAC but they may end up with a dog...just like the
last to additions to the conference. Go GOUG!! Freedom, freedom,
Even the U will get on ESPN...only when they play BYU though.
Spin it however you want williary but we all know you for what you are. Be
happy for your team and stop being so obsessed with all things BYU.
sounds ok for football but the other sports are now in the WCC which a huge step
down. Not sure if this is going to be good or just be the beginning of the end
of the Y in the NCAA.
RE Williary II,All Utah has to do is win the Rose Bowl?? The most
you guys have played in the PAC is 2 games a season. You won't win the Rose Bowl
when you play every week vs. decent competition. It IS a better conference and
you WILL rake in the $$. But don't be so obnoxiously overconfident you will win
it in the first 5 years. It took ASU more than 10 years to win it and several
times they were knocked out the last game of the season. You also
will not win recruiting battles vs. UCLA, USC and Washington for the best
players in those states. You will continue to get MWC-level players. Lots of luck....
If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto the Mtn, Remove
hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto
you. Matthew 17:20
Now that ESPN has the rights to the broadcast of the BCS they have a vested
interest in who plays there. I would not be suprised if they try to push for
BYU in a BCS game because they can use it to build up the games that they
already have slated for the season. Controversy loves ratings and BYU & ESPN
look good together.
Oh my! "Faith-based schools that are academically oriented...." That certainly
excludes other current MWC schools except AFA which does have standards and good
academics. See ya MWC.
@ Mr. Ideas,Ya, get blown out during the evenings just like Utah did
vs. TCU when gameday was there. Does anyone else find it funny how mr. ideas
makes fun of BYU for the same thing that happened to Utah. Doesn't make sense
does it?Anyway, I was very surprised when I heard the deal BYU put
together. I hope they can live up to the hype. I've very excited for the next
few years. There should be some great football coming to Provo. Can't wait for
42istheanswerHope this works better than Notre Dame? Nothing is
wrong with Notre Dame schedule, the money they make, their agreement with NBC,
the standing with the BCS. Actually, they have put themselves to make more
money than any other school (considering they don't have to share any of the BSC
money). They just don't win enough. ANY PAC10 TEAM
WOULD RATHER BE IN NOTRE DAME'S PLACE
This is awesome!! Williary,thousands of BYU fans are also,like myself, Utah
alumni and also solid Utah fans (with one game exception). I am equally pleased
that Utah has advanced to the PAC 12. Both of these step up moves will be a
major plus to this great state. Quit whining, think good thoughts and you too
can delight in this turn of events for both of these Universities.Go
Cougs!! Go Utes!! May the rivalry live on with the respect that each school
The .mtn network exists because in the early days of the MWC the ESPN deal we
had us playing and broadcasting games way late at night even for the west coast.
The MWC got little respect from ESPN but was on national TV still.When the ESPN deal for BYU kicks in lets see when their games are scheduled to
determine how much respect they get. Also lack of financial details seems like
something to hide possibly. Maybe the BYU/ESPN deal is not as good as expected
by BYU and no public disclosure will limit the embarrassment.
I've hated this whole thing since it started. Now, I feel better. BYU can
recruit from the entire nation now and can go anywhere to let people see them,
and Utah will be more limited to the far west coast. I love the independence,
just uneasy about the WCC. Good thing they are very good in several sports.
This article made me feel better, but I'd love to read what each
person said.I live in Nebraska, so I'm glad I can turn on my
computer and watch BYUTV or ESPN and not pay for either!
I am for sure renewing my Cougar Club membership and season tickets next year,
though I bet the price skyrockets now. Time to dust off those stadium expansion
This is better than being invited to the PAC 10Religious discrimination
kept BYU out of the PAC 10.Whenever a door closes, God opens a
window.Job well done!
I don't know about you other BYU fans, but I can't wait to watch some great TV
games next season. Only one more year of watching games on the Mtn. I get so
tired of not getting to see completed passes because of the incompetent camera
people! I was thumbing through the channels on my tv the other day and stopped
on the Mtn. It was the Ute's football show with Coach Whittingham. The audio
and visual weren't synchronized. Such amateurs! (Not the Utes--the Mtn!) If
for only this reason, the Cougars left the MWC, it would be reason enough for
me!!! Great job Elder Samuelson, ESPN & Tom Holmoe!
RE Williary,OK you win, you win, YOU WIN!! I lived in a PAC 10 city
for years and would LOVE to see BYU go there - first choice. But it DID NOT
HAPPEN!! What I don't get is all you YEWTS being such sore winners. You could
win it all but would still have to come back and rub it in poor ole' BYU's face.
Anyone fitting this profile is such a loser. And most of you are Mormons too
(else why post on DNews??). What did BYU do to you? Are you sore
because your tithing goes there? You can't get over the honor code and curfews,
but most of you live at home with Mom until you're 23. You still can't smoke and
drink and sleep around. What is it you have over BYU people? Show
some class, live your own life and leave BYU alone (you should be ashamed if you
are LDS). Max was right - we've all put up with years of garbage from you
As a BYU fan, I welcome these exciting developments. But let's not kid
ourselves that this is better than an invite to the PAC-10/12. Utah and BYU
have both taken major steps forward for their football and basketball programs.
Which school will soar higher with its chosen path will depend on recruiting and
performance of its teams over the next 5 years. I hope both soar, except when
Utah meets BYU on the field or court.
I'm glad my friends at BYU have something to brag about! I hope this all works
out for you and your fans.A Ute Fan.
The lowly of accomplishment and the weak in mind and character feel compelled to
compare themselves to others.
I'm a Ute fan, but am excited for BYU. This sounds like a great opportunity
especially given the partnering with ESPN and Notre Dame. While who knows if BYU
will be able to get many bowl games as an independent, either way, they're still
achieving the overriding goal of increased exposure. I'm also
optimistic for the MWC. While many badmouth Thompson, he was just doing his job
and quite frankly has done a pretty good job overall with the MWC. I say snag
Houston and another team, and it will still be a top notch conference with Boise
State and TCU leading the way. Also, now that the MWC is totally different,
hopefully the MWC can rework the deal with Comcast regarding the MTN channel.
The only catch to all this good news is the bad news for Utah State
and the WAC. I hope they both land on their feet after all of this.
BYU and Utah enter their final MWC season with bright futures. Fans of both
schools should be elated.I have already circled the date of the final BYU
game broadcast on the MTN. That's the day I will cancel my DirecTV account.
Those of us outside the intermountain west were forced to DirecTV and their
inferior service. (Games on Versus were unavailable last year.) There are far
better options to get ESPN and BYU-TV.WCC is a great fit for BYU. Pac-10
makes sense for Utah. BYU vs. Utah rivalry should continue.
Thanks UteExpat,Kudos on your PAC 12 invite and much success to you.
I think that the PAC 12 is an excellent fit for Utah, and I mean that in the
best sense.However, I think that independence suits BYU better. I
like the idea of having complete ownership over our own schedule. BYU performs
better when it has no safety net. We stand or fall on our own. Sure there are
some risks, but there is much more upside as I see it.
@ williary:Clearly - you know nothing.@Roboto:We are
thrilled about your big pile of money.
Excellent news, better than I hoped, but what about the 2 big unaswered
questions:What kind of bid is BYU eligible for the BCS? It was
reported that as BYU was considering independence, they were talking with the
BCS about this.What about the 3 sports that the WCC doesn't have
that BYU has? What's to become of them?
55 million viewers having access to byutv is misleading. Cable/fiber TV
operators in SoCal (and probably most markets outside of Utah/Idaho) allow
"access" to byutv but not with their basic packages. The problem with the Mtn
was that you couldn't get it even with the premium package. In that regard,
byutv is an improvement.
I thought that I heard Tom Holmoe say that ESPN has also started to help get and
secure games with other big name schools other than ND and Texas, I wonder who
I give some credit to ESPN for the 2004 Utah team. They had a vested interest in
the Utes and gave them the exposure to not get looked over in the polls. Maybe Gameday will pay a few more visits to the zoob collective so they
can celebrate in the morning and get blown out during the evening. This looks like a better than I thought.
Awesome! Go Cougs!
@williary"So much for the "short-term independence" as a means to
getting a BCS conference invite. Clearly BYU knows that nobody is knocking down
the door to bring BYU in."If you ever pull your head out maybe
you'll hear a little better. What's clear is that BYU doesn't NEED to be in a
BCS conference to get their piece of the pie. What they're modeling
to the rest of the college football world is something that only a handful of
elite programs could do and are certain to follow. Only the likes of Texas,
Florida, Ohio St, USC, Oklahoma, Alabama, etc, teams with a national fanbase
could pull it off.Teams like Utah have just small, limited, local
fanbases and will be stuck in conferences that are bereft of marquee teams.
Conferences like the Pac 10 minus USC are in essence what the MWC was, 2nd tier.
The limelight and money will follow those schools who can follow
BYU's model of independence. Teams in conferences like the Pac 10 will have to
fight on the floor for any scraps leftover.
AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! GGGGGGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COUGS!!!
I see all the BEW's have closed the drapes and locked the doors. Their world is
falling in on them.....Come on tell us BYU fans how bad this was going to be
again??? Hello any haters out there....hello....
What an amazing deal! Congrats to both Utah and BYU. BYU could not be in a
better position. The reason is that the cougars get the exposure and the money
beginning next year. Utah has to wait 3 years before they really get paid in the
PAC 10. Also BYU gets abc/espn while the utes get FSN. Both are good deals but
it is easy to see that BYU got an amazing deal that I believe is unmatched
outside of notre dame. Also BYU doesn't have to share with anyone.
Great job by BYU, Holmoe, and Smuelson. I was a bit skeptical and nervous but
now I can't wait after that news conferance. I'm pumped not only about football
but the alignment with the WCC. I think I'll fly out to Provo simply to see the
first Zag-Coug game in the Marriott Center. BYU will be just fine! I asked a
friend at work to name 5 of the six teams in the MWC this year. He could not do
it as a big FBS fan. He could name all the independents though. Already
getting the exposure!
How quickly will Directv drop the mtn from basic packages in Utah?
Giddy. Just absolutely giddy. As a life-long BYU fan, I watched LIVE on BYU-TV
the press conference and listened to Tom Holmoe, Dave Brown (ESPN) and Jamie
(WCC) talk about how exciting and committed they are to a bright future. 8 years
of ALL home games broadcast by ESPN. Whooooaaaaa!It was a nice
gesture by ESPN to recognize the long and fruitful relationship between BYU and
ESPN. I did not know that the first live college football game on ESPN was
BYU-PITT in 1984. That's awesome.Congratulations to BYU athletics.
I'm happy Dave Rose and Company have a solid home along side Gonzaga, St. Mary's
etc. I'm sure the haters will find someway to twist this but if
they'd actually listened to the news conference, they'd simply be quiet. This
is a great day for BYU athletics and for the university. CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Away games!!!!!What about the Away games??????
re: chase1)Utah will be getting aprx. $15-20M from it's Pac-12 TV
deals once everything is finalized. BYU will be getting far less than what they
had hoped according to documents released through USU. Still much more than
from the MWC, but nowhere near what Utah will be getting.2)Nothing
has changed for BYU, except they have eliminated the teams ahead of them for BCS
considernation. They now avoid Utah/TCU/Boise in conference. Teams who
actually get to BCS games. Yet BYU must still be undefeated to get to the BCS.
And likely finish at least top 6 to get an auto bid. On the other hand, all
Utah has to do is win its conference to get into the ROSE BOWL. No other
requirements. 2 loss, 3 loss, no matter. Win the Pac, play in the BCS. Again
obviously a major advantage to Utah. Lose game 1 for BYU and your season is
done. 3)"8-year deal with ESPN." Big deal. Utah signed a permanent
deal to play USC, UCLA, Oregon every season! Forever! And when the
superconference happen, Utah is already at the table!
Interesting going back and reading the comments of all the naysayers who made
fun of this move and said BYU could never get a good television contract or fill
out their schedule with worthy opponents if they went independent. Who's
I look forward to official 2011 and 2012 football schedules.I am
excited that I will now be able to watch BYU Football games.
Interesting things to me from the press conference...1) long-term deals
with ESPN & Notre Dame, and seemingly with the WCC. I get the feeling the Big 12
idea really isn't happening.2) Comments from the WCC & BYU on what a great
fit this is - private religious institutions & great academic standards. Sunday
play not a problem. As opposed to the comments from the 12-PAC and why Utah was
such a good fit for them - academic freedom & research institution (latest
research grant $3.5 million to study brain functions of worms BTW. Fitting place
to study that, I guess).3) Holmoe downplaying the money & the BCS while
continuing on the exposure theme.4) The fact that ESPN came in and sort of
resurrected the whole thing. This, put together with the rearranging of the WAC
& MWC, changes their deal with the WAC, and probably brings the demise of the
Mountain Network since the majority of their ad revenue came from Utah. Don't
know if adding USU would stem that tide or not.All in all, exciting
day to be a Cougar Fan!
Good on ya BYU. Hope this works out better than Notre Dame.
This is so awesome! Wow! What a home run!
What a recruiting advantage this will be. Coaches can guarantee to potential
recruits that every game they play as a BYU Cougar will be carried nationally
and can be seen in nearly every household in America whether on ESPN, ABC,
ESPN2, ESPNU or BYUtv. Also, they can offer a very powerful lineup
of top ranked teams on the schedule including Notre Dame, Texas, Boise St, etc
to further attract top tier players.As other marquee, elite programs
see the success of BYU's model come to light, I wouldn't doubt that you see many
if not all of them follow suit. I think the impact this will have on the BCS
will surprise many. It would only work for a handful of schools, like Florida,
Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio St, USC, Alabama, Miami FL, etc. With the best
teams going indy, this will render BCS conferences like the Pac 10, Big 12, etc
more like the MWC, CUSA or the WAC and change the way the BCS looks at the whole
football landscape.That's quite an impact.
bring on the Irish!
Hey Chase,I am a Utah fan, and while I am happy for BYU and think
this has some seriously great potential for them, I'm not envious at all. I'd
rather be in the PAC 12, and I'm grateful for the opportunity Utah has. But
this sounds like it could be really great, and good luck to BYU in every game
theMTN single-handedly destroyed the Mountain West Conference.Boise, Fresno, and Nevada, do you know what you are up against?Good-luck BYU and Utah, we'll be looking to see your games now.
BYU's future looks sweet.Let's hope we see the inside of RES for the
last time this year...Not enough prestige playing a lower tier PAC
team to make up for all the "anti-zoob" parinoia.Although I wouldn't
mind signing a deal to play SWBU in basketball.I'm sure BYU could
take that powerhouse in the MC.
We are envious... While we are sitting on our pile of money
3 year deal with Texas6 year deal with Notre Dame8 year
deal with ESPNLooks like ESPN and others have the opinion that BYU
is a valuable commodity.17 times in the final AP top 20 (top 25
starting in 1989)1 consensus (all major polls agree) National
ChampionshipFootball teams have ebbs and flows; high and lows.
However, consistency is what ESPN has seen in BYU and will see in the future.I am not comparing BYU with any other team nor go down the list of
successes and failures.If anyone wants to bad mouth, take it up with
ESPN and tell them how you are so much smarter than they are.
No we aren't lol
Apparently the national exposure and the ESPN deal were BYU's primary reasons
for going independent.Am I the only one who thinks that the
long-term game plan is to move to a BCS Conference?Having the
opportunity to watch BYU on television is something I'll certainly enjoy.
@Otis; hedgehog; Chris B; and friends etal:Well boys - the news just
keeps getting better. This is just the start.Keep coming back for
more news breaking articles that are exciting and credible - we all stopped
paying any attention to you all's blathering long ago.
I can't believe this announcement! Too good to be true! Living in central
Illinois, I'm looking forward to watching more than the bowl game every year.
I'm especially excited about being able to watch games on BYUTV.I
know that there are a lot of cougar fans who think that the affiliation with the
WCC is a step down, but I don't see it as such. These are all highly respected
schools and several frequently grace top 25 lists in sports.I say
good on ya, BYU!
I'm so glad to know there will be no more Mtn TV for BYU sports! Such good
This much exposure should probably come with an XXX rating. In the end, BYU
gets the last laugh . . . ahhhaaahaaaah!
Speechless. Tom Holmoe and President Samuelson knocked it out of the park!!
Notre Dame and Texas make the cornerstones for a successful broadcast package,
no matter who else is on the schedule. BYU has done things well.
Thank you Pres. Samuelson and Tom Holmoe!!! Well done. Looking forward to
SEEING the Cougars on TV!
This brings huge exposure to BYU across the nation and the world. Great work
building this agreement!
Very good news, indeed! Let's celebrate this new beginning of a very promising
So much for the "short-term independence" as a means to getting a BCS conference
invite. Clearly BYU knows that nobody is knocking down the door to bring BYU
Great News! As a graduate of the U of U, what a pleasure it will be to watch
BYU in HD. I'm looking forward to more positive news like this to offset the
inevitable negative comments from . . . . you know who. I'm equally proud of
Rest in peace 'The mtn'
Great! I am as excited as anyone to see the ESPN deal and ability to see the
home games on Dish (I haven't lived anywhere near Utah for many years). Now, we need to get out there and win some games. Not winning in any
major bowl in the last 14 years has also put us in this situation (ie. not
getting invited to the PAC and needing to go independent). Let's beat Fla State,
TCU and Utah on the road this year, and return to the days of being unbeatable
at home. We have a history of talking about what we deserve rather than getting
down to business and EARNING our recognition!!
This is a sign that everything will work out just how we planned it. Go
cougs!Utah fans are envious!
Home Run.I was skeptical, but no more.