My personal perception of BYU and Utah is that they have a "big dog" desire and
want to be the center of attention in whatever they are involved in- like Texas
in the Big 12. If they aren’t the focus, they seem to pout. It is interesting that they both made decisions to jump the Mountain West ship
just when the league was about to qualify as an automatic BCS conference, which
would have eventually solved their alleged money issues. BYU now has
a scheduling nightmare. By the 4th week of every season they will exhaust the
possibility of scheduling any of the top BCS league teams. To be hired as the
person responsible for finding BYU football opponents could become the worst
sports job in America. And, Utah will now become lost in the PAC 10 media focus
on California and West Coast Schools.BYU and Utah have shot
themselves in the foot! I don't think these primo donnas were willing to sit
by and watch TCU and Boise State become the primary football "powers" of the
Mountain West. Unfortunately, they are going to find their decisions to run
away catastrophic in the long run.
Sorry, but I wouldn't give one cent for that comment.
RE: Veritas AequitasYou asked for a U fans opinion on this, here it
is:BYU, in a knee jerk reaction to Utahs Invitation to the pac 12
had to do something. Boosters and fans were growing restless by the minute.
The big 12 isnt calling right now. Go independent, put some lipstick on
yourself, showcase yourself, and hope the big 12 calls in the next two, three,
or four years. As a fail safe, wrap it in a cloak of "we dont really care about
anything but exposure." that way when the big 12 never calls, you wont have egg
on your face.Just my two cents.
Laughing so hard right now. Just think, all of this because Utah decided to
accept an invitation to the elite Conference of Champions!
I say thank you to the classy Utah fans who know BYU got a sweet deal and for
BYU fans, settle down, I think they got it. I for one am changing my attitude
now that we have our affiliations. Now that we are no longer in the same
conference, we don't have to thrash each other until we meet on the field. Utah
has great potential and could get somewhere we want to be a lot easier but, as
Tom said, the exposure and access is more important. BYU fans can be realistic.
We will however have a better advantage with recruiting because of that
exposure. Now that it's all said and done, I am ready for some football. Great
games in store this week. Lets go kick some butt.
@Live No fortunately I am not Ocho. I used to live in Auburn. I
remember one game where that actually went to the Swamp and won. How
soon will FL demand more money control of their own TV rights like TX?
Bye bye MWC. TCU is going to get tapped by the Big 12 next year and you'll be
left with WAC 2.0
I can go with the football thing being potentially better but the basketball
conference. I think everyone is going Lady Gaga over Gonzaga and St. Mary's
thinking somehow this makes the WCC better than the MWC. Hardly. With the
additions of Nevada and Fresno, the MWC got stronger. Most of the WCC plays in
gymnasiums that are hardly bigger than they gym at West HS, and that isn't a
stretch. To be honest I can see how this can be good for the football program
but not entirely convinced in the long run it is better for the men's basketball
program or a lot of other programs.
Good luck Coogers, I hope this pans out for you. Any deal was better than the
MTN. As a reminder to all of you, while this may be big news in
Provo and Utah, the rest of the country registers a collective YAWN about this
topic. More people are interested in the condition of Mark Ingram's knee. All
of you with your undies in a bunch about BYU's chances for a national title need
to calm down. Pop a valium. Better yet, get a life.News flash
Bugoff: If your game is on ESPN Ocho then you really haven't enhanced your
exposure. An ESPN regional game still fails to get your message to people who
vote in the polls on the east coast. Nice try. I like your enthusiasm. Go Gators! I'd love to see BYU in Gainsville.
ESPN just slapped the PAC 10. They did for BYU what would only be done for a
select number of schools. The facts speak louder than any speculation. 1-
Football is controlled by the BCS.2- The BCS is controlled by ABC
(ESPN)3- ESPN has its new darling which they are bent on helping succeed
since this could mean future partnerships with Texas / USC / Ohio St. /
Michigan4- BYU will be well taken care of for scheduling.5- Take a
look at Gonzaga's basketball schedule. This schedule rivals anything from any
BCS conference. BYU will be given preferential treatment for getting into
tournaments etc.6- The BYU / OU game was #9 of all 2009 ESPN college
football regular season broadcasts. My guess is there are 200 broadcasts in a
us LMU alums look forward to your first visit to Gersten Pavilion and alumni
reception at the Bird Nest-we'll get the cookies and ice cream ready :)
No bowl connections will be an obstacle for the Y. ESPN will figure something
out. Maybe they can play the U which will be in the San Diego or Emerald Bowl,
if anything, for the rest of their lives.
Those that think that the Cougars won't travel well to small bowls are again
living in the bubble that is Utah. I drove 8 hours each way to go to the 2
Independence Bowls in Memphis (Tulane and Louisville) and drove 6 hours each way
to go to the Alabama game several years back. Luckily, I lived in the Atlanta
area when they played GT a couple of years ago. In ALL instances, there were
tons of fans there, most of us from the surrounding area. So I hope
that they sign with ND, Syracuse, Ohio State, Georgia, whereever. We'll be
there.How many UT fans would show up anywhere east of Denver? Yeah, didn't think so...This is a great move by BYU. And
when it comes to bowl invites, money talks, and the ability for a team to travel
means money for the bowl. Don't worry about BYU and bowls. If they
win, they will be playing...
I am GLAD that they finally pulled the trigger. It is a long time coming. I was
about to renew my contract to get the crappy mtn channel and now I don't have
to. ESPN is a much better deal, and to those that think that BYUTV won't show
the games until 3 in the morning, they already show live Baseball, Volleyball,
Soccer, Rugby and I believe Gymnastics, as well as a couple of Basketball games.
What makes you think that they won't show the Football games on BYUTV? Of course
they will! Finally, I don't have to hope that they will be on TV,
and have to watch New Mexico State vs UNLV football instead. Great
move Holmoe and Cougs. There are MILLIONS of us proud of you all today.Go COUGS!
Hey U fan, do you realize that every year that you play in Provo, you'll be on
ESPN. This deal is a good thing for you too...but you're far too cool to admit
Interesting move. Its either genius or desperate...Only a couple years will
tell.Die hard Ute fan here, but I would love to see BYU add mens
soccer a sport sponsored in the WCC and become the first NCAA Division 1 program
in the State.
BYU has been exploited by the MWC for too long. The MWC has killed the goose
that laid the golden egg. Nice work and good luck Cougars. The only thing
embarrassing about the last two weeks has been the ridiculous comments of ewe
11. Also I hope my SFCN (Spanish Fork) cable bill will go down a buck or two
when they drop The Mtn channel
Really Utah fans...I know none of you care about BYU, but if a
couple would give us your opinion, that would be just great.
Ironically, the teams that were supposedly getting thrown under the bus are now
guaranteed national exposure whenever they play BYU, something that was very hit
or miss before.
Adding to Bugoff10, getting back to Basketball games on Thursday and
Saturday... What a relief from god-knows when, I can now plan on when BYU will
be at home and awayThings will work out, God is on our side;')
Think about what the new TV arrangement does for BYU track internationally.
Think of the foreign sprinters, distance runners, and field specialist BYU can
recruit over the next 8 years because their families can watch them compete on
BYU TV. Ditto for gymnastics and swimming. Think about what BYU
could do in developing soccer. Holmoe was very clear that BYU was
going to schedule the best schools in the country. That means they will recruit
and eventually get competitive athletes in all sports.
@kylejeffreys Some of BYU's biggest stars of the past and a substantial number
of the better current players are non members. Being a Buddist,
Hindu, Moslem or Atheist is not a problem as long as you keep the honor code
which would be no problem for many devout members of many faiths. BYU will welcome any athlete who has talent and who will keep the honor code.
I am counting on the international coverage to reach and recruit
international players who will then deliver greater international coverage and
reach. This is BYU's avenue to the world. It is a world University.
It is not a Utah school. It is just beginning to move toward a global strategy.
ND and the other Catholic schools are delighted to be on BYU TV
It is clear from the news to those who understand media and football that this
is going to be successful. 1. an 8 yr contract with ESPN that puts
EVERY home game on national TV. That rivals ND's reach on NBC. 2.All
games in all sports can be shown on BYU TV and internet. 3. 6 ND
games. The away games are on NBC. 4. 2 years of transition of WAC
games to fill in.5. ESPN Bowl tie in(s) 6. Utah will
schedule. That is Utah TX, ND and BSU.7. 14 or higher will get BYU
BCS consideration. 8. A BCS escape clause if BYU goes to a BCS conf.
9. The other sport issues are being resolved. BYU is now
positioned as a national/global University. ESPN and the Catholics
have helped out but it is mutually beneficial. This is going to
Sweet Independence Day!8 Years of home games on
ESPN, ABC, or BYUTV6 Years home and home versus Notre Dame
It's about the mission....just the mission. All these moves and decisions BYU
(Pres Samuelson) and the First Presidency are making are about the mission. Just
the mission. The little decisions must support and improve the mission. I
believe they have done that. This is a great day for BYU, the LDS Church and
anyone who wants to play BYU in football, in the future.
WCC is a much better conference overall than WAC or MW. The soccer is really
good and basketball is as well. Track and softball will be fine there will be a
place for them. It will also be a lot easier and less expensive to travel.
One additional reason for the need to go independent is that the U upon entering
the PAC-12 will be broadcasting some local/regional games via Fox. With the
current Mtn. contract, BYU would have continued to be invisible to local
viewers. They had to make a change and the MWC had a contract which precluded
it from making those necessary concessions. Bickering aside the Mtn. TV deal
has cost the MWC two of its upper tier teams.
We did it! The MWC was a house of cards since Utah left the conference. Now
we're truly a "me too."
I'd rather be a part of a team that controls its destiny through long-desired
Independence than be the "booty call" of the Pac-12
***300 *foreign* D-1 players right now....sorry :)
With half the money the Y will still be twice the program of the boys on the
jg2010 - Being Guaranteed and getting a BCS Games is two very different things.
Boise was not guaranteed a BCS games last year - because TCU was ranked higher.
The rules state that one non-BSC conference school is rank above a
BSC school Conference championship team, they will get a BCS games. TCU was the
highest ranked non-BCS school taking that spot. Yet Boise State still got a BCS
games. Now Look at Boise State ScheduleOregonMiami (OH)Fresno StateBowling GreenUC DavisTulsaHawaiiSan Jose StateLouisiana TechIdahoUtah StateNevadaNew Mexico StateThat Schedule was 117 out of 120
schedules in College FootballAnd Yet they still got into the BCS
game. IF BYU went 13 and 0 on the below schedule (not saying they
will do that) in 2011WAC games:IdahoUtah StateHawaiiLouisiana TechSan Jose StateNew Mexico StateThe games they already have scheduledUtahTexasOregon
StateBoise StateThey add Notre Dame (there is an article
in Chicago about that)AddWeber StateSouthern Utah
UniversityThey will go to the BCS game.
"They may not have a bowl tie-in but they will get a bowl inviation every year
they have 8 wins or more and it won't be to Vegas."Problem is most
of the real bowls have conference contracts locking in the first through third
best in most conferences to a bowl game. That means either BYU makes it to a
BCS bowl, or gets left overs. They will be playing in big BYU draw towns like
Memphis, Toronto... get ready for a road trip.
Bugoff:I see what you are saying about what byu would attempt to
achieve by expanding their reach of sports broadcasting around the world now
that they will be free of the MWC's ridiculous contract. Frankly, I would not
be surprised if ESPN's contact with byu allows them to do it as well. Accomplishing such a thing would be a credit to the university. I
have a question, and this is not meant to be offensive so *please* don't anyone
get carried away with this. Do you think byu would let a non-christian play for
their school? Also, do you think byu fans would be okay with it once they found
out? BTW, there are almost 300 players in D-1 basketball right now.
UCLA started three in their last final four appearance. byu isn't about to
burst any bubble here. You can watch CBS Sports almost anywhere in the world.
If byu goes global, good for them...just don't credit them for accomplishing
something other teams have been doing since Patrick Ewing opened everyone's eyes
to foreign talent.
Congtatulations zoobs, you just lost one heck of a basketball coach. You just
sent a message to each and every one of your programs that football and only
football matters. I don't think that Rose will be so thrilled. We'll take him
up on the hill.
For the sports that the WCC doesn't have, BYU will find another conference (if
needed) for those. Some have mentioned men's volleyball, but this program is
already in a conference because the MWC didn't have men's volleyball. They will
stay the same. It should work out just fine. Otherwise, I am thrilled about BYU
going independent. It should be fun to watch the types of teams they will be
able to schedule from year to year.
@ sports-junkie,As your screen name suggests, a more generic fan
view I would have thought you are a reasonable fan - one that enjoys the
counter-arguement. No doubt this story and blog, BYU's decision to
go independent, is the most compelling story today. Enjoy Ute participation
while it lasts. Without the MWC conference to bind us, the BYU-Utah love/hate
will not be as relevant on a game-to-game basis. Otherwise its just a bunch of
BYU homers patting each other on the back. For my part, Utah's game
tomorrow will leave me with but a mild and waning interest in BYU or its
independence. But for now its a great story.
They may not have a bowl tie-in but they will get a bowl inviation every year
they have 8 wins or more and it won't be to Vegas.
@Fully Invited oops, slight miscalculation. But did you just sdmit
that more ute fans are commenting on BYU articles than BYU on utah articles? (I
didnt check if your numbers are bias btw) So, thanks for posting and actually
helping to prove my point. I personally have NEVER posted ANYTHING on a ute
article. (please stay up all night trying to prove me wrong)I think
my point is this: 4-5 times more people "care" about what happens in BYU's world
than those that "care" about what happens in utahs world. Fact. Just making an
observation.Go Cougs!!! Beat UW!!!
all you cougar fans-the main competition next year to Gonzaga will be LMU of
Gathers/Kimble fame...could very well be a 20-25 win team....
@sports-junkieUh...just went through all the comments...I'd give it a
generous 50-60 comments being Utah fans. And by generous I mean that I counted
the comments that were friendly as well... let's see- 300/2 (because you said
half right?)...is that 60? I guess you probably went to the Y with those math
skills. Oh and I looked at the June 16th article- guess how many BYU comments?
Almost 30. So get out your calculator- what's 30/90? Roughly .33- so roughly 30%
BYU fans. So what's the percentage for this article? Drum Roll please...60/300
(granted, it is a rough estimate)...20%. "Remember not only to say
the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave
unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment." – Benjamin Franklin
@blaunchOne little flaw in your plan. BYU WILL NOT have a guaranteed spot
in the BCS unless they finish #1 or #2. (ESPN article by Andy Katz) And that is
not a #1 or #2 schedule. BYU is does not have the rep of Notre Dame no matter
how much they think they do.
BYU will become the first truly global University. BYU TV has substantial
viewership in China, Europe and Central/South America. Think about
the global recruiting in all sports. Think about what this does for track,
soccer and other minor sports. The WCC is okay for basketball for
now. BYU will average about 5000 less attendees for 8 away games but that can be
made up by scheduling bigger non conference draws. The TV ramification more than
offset the attendance. What if BYU actually got a couple of decent
PF/Cs from China or Europe. Think of the international TV following that would
cause. Not to mention they might go deeper in the NCAA.
"Seriously BYU....the WCC? Was the Big Sky unavailable?"I guess
you've somehow never heard of Gonzaga or St. Mary's in Basketball, huh? (PS -
One is the alma mater of the best Jazz player ever, imho).Also, as
for the other sports, it's really not that hard to find a home. For example,
Boise State already competes in Track and Field in a modified PAC...BYU could
easily do the same.
Ute Fans here is BYU future scheduleBYU schedule - 2011WAC
Games:Utah StateIdahoNew Mexico StateHawaiiSan Jose StateLouisiana TechTexasUtahOregon
StateBoise State3 more schools out ofNotre DameWashingtonOklahoma StateNavyArmyBYU will be
playing a high level of WAC games (but does it really matter if they beat New
Mexico or New Mexico State or San Diego State or San Jose State - No.) Boise
State played a much easier schedule and they went to the BCS last season.They are going to play a schedule where they will have 9+ wins a season,
but they will have a very good chance to play in the BCS. That is
their ultimate goal go to the BCS. They want a second National Championship in
No silver bullet but a good move by BYU. But BYU will face considerable
difficulty scheduling 12 quality games as an independent. BYU
will leverage their national and global viewing audience. But will BYU’s
fan base provide scheduling leverage required to secure networks,
national/global access and the required advertising dollars? Show me the
money!BYU has a quality football program and tradition. But will BYU
have leverage, beyond fellow independents, Notre Dame, Army and Navy, to garner
quality opponents over the entire 12 weeks season? What of conference schools
who must first clear their conference schedule? BYU may be hard pressed to
negotiate favorable home and away games, at least in the short run. How will BYU ensure bowl games? What leverage does BYU have to ensure bowl
games? Navy was a perennial favorite in Poinsettia Bowl — San Diego navy
connection. BYU anti-fan base. Like the Yankees, Dallas and Notre
Dame, will non-BYU fans come out to simply boo the Cougars. For my part as
Utah/PAC12 fan less so. Who cares? Just a thought. For my part
there as many questions than answers. No silver bullet, but BYU seems up to the
No longer will BYU be bound down and oppressed by the horrific TV deal with the
MWC...ESPN and BYU TV... here we come!!!
Seriously BYU....the WCC? Was the Big Sky unavailable?
Reality Check!:The THEORY of independence is great but how will it go in
PRACTICE? Only time will tell but all this talk of how great it is for BYU is
delusional. It's like stepping off a cliff and HOPING you land in a soft spot. I
just like how all the BYU fans are looking at this through rose colored glasses
and not thinking about how scary this could potentially be.On that note
how does BYU spin this not to look like little kids that didn't get invited to
the big party so they threw their own? Just a thought. BTW not a BYU hater
and hope they beat UW too, I hope they can keep Locker in check though or it may
be a long Saturday.
Almost 300 comments? Half of which are ute fans? Just looked up 3
DNews articles about the utes from June 16th (the day the utes accepted the
invite from the pac), first article- 63 comments, second-39 comments, Third-3
comments.Not exactly sure what this means, you can draw your own
conclusions. Just wanted to throw it out there. Thanks for reading (and
posting). Go Cougs!!! Beat UW!!!
No one know what will happen to either BYU or Utah. My guess is that neither
will be as successful as they hope, other than a good year every 4 - 5 years or
so.The change is refreshing, however, Now if the "holy war" would
only go away. I am tired of the childish bantering that goes on from both
Independence is way gooder than the Pac. Whatever they are.
What I like is are exposure will go way up. Everyone will watch us now and we
will get any recruit we want.
"...BYU officials have been working feverishly, exploring options to enhance the
future of its athletic department."This is a dumb and HIGHLY naive
statement. The move to the WCC does nothing for the ENTIRE athletic department.
It only serves the football program. Even though the WCC has Gonzaga and St
Marys in basketball the WCC is small potatoes. The MWC is far superior to the
WCC in basketball. The WCC have in the long ago past been good in basketball
but in the recent past it has been just two schools. For three BYU sports teams
they are now homeless for 2011-swimming and diving, track and field, and
softball. It should be noted that each of these sports have done exceptionally
well in conference play and at the national level. The move to independence may
give more publicity/tv revenue but, as a fan of all Cougar sports this decision
is irritating as it lessens the opportunities for ALL other sports. Perhaps the
U and Y should end the appearance that they have complete sports programs, and
drop all other sports and just sponsor football for that is all they seem to
really care about.
Exposure is what BYU wanted. Their football team will do well. I'm a Utah fan
that is ok with this decision. I hope the rivalry continues. I look forward to
future games and great competition in the future. I look forward to seeing the
bigger schools playing Utah and BYU. Exposure helps the church and the
university. Go Utes!
I'm as Utah as Utah goes...but am truly happy for BYU. I'd love to see them get
to their ultimate destination of the Big 12. The rivalry will always be
there...but Pac 12 vs. Big 12 each year would be awesome. As for this year...an
0-12 would also be great. Go Utes!!
Word to the wise: KBYU and BYUtv are not the same thing. I had no idea.
from ESPN......BYU is going independent in football with the full
knowledge that it won't be guaranteed a seat at the BCS table. BYU will be an
independent like Army and Navy, not like Notre Dame, which is guaranteed a BCS
bid if it's in the top eight in the final BCS standings...It's true.
BYU will be more like Army and Navy, anyway. Good luck in earning more money.
ESPN will only carry games with good teams. It's a laugh to think they will
carry BYU-Idaho game.
How many catholic schools are in the wcc? Remember when the church said the
catholics were the Great and abon... How the worm turns in the quest for
Dear Uteology I read Gil's article long before you did. It sounded
like he bite a lemon and suck really hard on it before he decided to write his
article. It made me wonder why, if TCU had some magic move up their sleeve?The article has no credibility other than to ferment the sour grapes of
a few TCU fans. It was also clearly a selected distorted creation of reality
that ignored most of the facts in the situation involving BYU going independent.
What a courageous and smart move! Eschewing a loser of a TV deal for 5 to 10
times revenue just makes cents...and when the Big 12 comes calling the Coogs
will have their own network deal in place...just like Texas wants. Smart. Some
might even call it inspired. And hoops against Gonzaga? The Jags are better
than any MWC or WAC basketball program by far. Nice work Pres. Samuelson.
The BBall conference tourney will still be in Vegas every year, but it won't be
on another schools home court. I don't mind Vegas but having it on UNLV's home
court every year was ludicrous.
BSU, Texas, Oregon State, possibly Utah and Notre Dame. Sounds like an awesome
football schedule even if they do play Utah State, Hawaii and a Weber State or
two to finish out the schedule.I've been thinking about the athletes
of the other sports. The WCC compares pretty well to the MWC for the most part
and think about it, instead of going to NM, Wyoming and CSU they will be playing
in California, Washington and Oregon and their games will be on TV!! I don't
think too many of them will be upset. Not to mention less hate coming from other
private religious schools.The basketball team still has decent
competition and can afford to be more aggressive in their non-conference
scheduling. The best part is they don't have to play the conference tourney in
Vegas every year.I imagine ESPN is excited to make a deal with BYU
if they can get access to BYU's broadcast facilities. Exposure and money were
two things not coming from the MWC and the mtn.The football team is
going to have to win for this to work. I hope Heaps is the real deal.
And TMR: BYU saw the Utes leave and paniced? Is that really your take on this?
Seriously? You don't think they have been contemplating such a move for years?
Really? You think that them being blocked from a BCS game after a perfect
season back with Doman & Staley, and seeing Utah shunned when they were perfect
and not allowed to play in the national championship... you don't think that had
anything to do with them planning this move for years? Seriously? HA HA!Also, you do realize that the Utes were only picked over BYU to be in
the PAC 10 because they were willing to play on Sundays - and they were not a
religious school. HA HA! BYU would have been an obvious choice given their
national following and tradition - every bit as good if not better than Utah.
Apparently Stanford was the main voice against BYU joining according to certain
national sources - the same sources that told many of us over a month ago that
BYU was headed to independence. So far they have been right on :)
Well, the move seems somewhat ok, but it seems like BYU just walked away from
playing perennials TCU and Boise State and can I throw up now prior to the 2011
season; BYU has signed to play USU? How pathetic is that...a patsy team in a
patsy league in a game that is absolutely a waste of time and money. For the
love of Mike I hope 2011 will be the LAST time they schedule USU. So what
happens to volleyball and baseball and soccer? BYU should definitely schedule
TCU and Boise State, unless they are too chicken to play either, especially TCU
since TCU seems to have BYU's number the last 2 seasons. Oh well. Let's wait
for the press conference later today; if nothing else, it should be interesting.
@ TMR. Following heart instead of head? Yeah, that is BYU. Impulsive, jumping
off cliffs without a plan. HA HA! They will make $1 Million per game next year
on ESPN on up to 5 or 6 games, then be in position to join the BIG 10/"14" in
2012 when that league's TV contract is up. So when the Utes bailed on the MWC, I
knew BYU was ready to follow.Have they no honor to leave the rest of
the teams behind? Umm... excuse me... every one of those teams bailed on a
previous conference to join the MWC. HA HA! Happens all the time. I think it is
funny that the MWC is basically the WAC now. The MWC would have never gotten
the national attention it wanted. For one thing no one can watch the games
nationally!I was in Notre Dame for the BYU game a few years ago and
the locals were going nuts trying to find the game on TV. If nothing else I will
be glad to see us rid of the Mountain. BYU provided 70% of their revenue, so
this should be the death nail. Finally!
This is awesome - we can FINALLY see BYU football on tv. The alumni base for
BYU is spread all over the US, particuarly the western US and it has been very
frustrating to not be able see them play. BYU has voiced and even yelled their
concerns about this to big hair commish for years only to be ignored. As for the WCC. They did better in the NCAA tournament than the MWC, the WAC
or that other west coast league - the PAC-10 1/2. My high school traveled to
Gonzaga multiple times to compete in tournaments there. It is a great campus
with great people.
@ utesovertide Thanks for an intelligent comment. I am not saying
BYU will do this as they have many options but look at it this way. Say BYU schedules Texas Tech at Provo and it is not picked up by ESPN. BYU broadcasts it internationally on BYU TV and also cuts a deal with
KSL and any other station that wants to cover BYU locally. They also
send a feed to all of the stations in the Tech network (most of TX). Tech gets
to keep all of the advertising revenue generated by their network. All they have
to do is dub the Tech announcers over the BYU feed. That is a
powerful reason why schools like Tech may find a way to schedule BYU. That is why the Big 12 North Wants BYU as an anchor to replace NE.BYU gets the international reach it wants plus the local advertising. Tech
gets tons of ad money from its local network affiliates. Tech gets guaranteed
money from a 65,000 gate receipt. The same thing works for the minor
sports on a less lucrative level. It is a win win for both teams.
All I will add is that this is a great, great day for BYU fans in the Bay
Area.Great move. Love it.
For all of you Dissing the WCC, it might be good to note that in all sports, the
WCC has 24 National NCAA Team Championships among it's members, The Mountain
West has 3 - all won by BYU (and no, this does not include the 1984 FB team).
(source-conference websites) In non NCAA sanctioned national championships, the
MWC does have 6, 2 from BYU, 2 From TCU and 1 each from Utah and New Mexico. I
can't find anything about any national champions from the WAC website, but I
know they had at least one - BYU in 1984.In just the last 10 years,
the WCC have had 5 NCAA championships. Sounds like a real patsy conference,
right?Looks to me like we are upgrading all sports with this move.
As far as scheduling goes, the only reason we have had trouble in
recent years is the stupid MWC contract - who wants to play on a network no one
can watch? The new situation will make it much easier to schedule good and
medium teams. I think reports of BYU's demise are greatly overstated.
Why is there even talk about BCS? Right now, Byu can't do better than the Las
Vegas Bowl. Exposure? Why not buy some billboards or TV air time to
advertise the Church. The Church does not need football players being the
ambassadors to the US of the Church. Hugh Nibley hit it on the head
when he stated: "Nothing could be more retrograde to [Brigham Young's]
philosophy than the present-day practice of combining the splendor of the gospel
with the lowest fashionable idiom of the day...it is like trying to raise the
standard and status of a school simply by giving it the cheap and easy title of
'the Lord's University.' Indeed, when that expression was first used about
1950, some of the General Authorities found it foolish and offensive--clearly a
case of claiming the prize before one has earned it." Brother Brigham
Challenges the Saints, page 370.
I am fully aware of the potential risks and benefits that go with this move to
go independent. Nevertheless, I am pleased with the move. Independence has its
own reward: ownership.There is something so satisfying to me about
breaking out and being our own man. Tough row to hoe? Yes. Easier said than
done? Most likely. Potential failure? There always is. But then
again, we have greater freedom to pursue our own schedule. Imagine how hard BYU
will work when it has no safety net. Honestly, I think it will spur BYU on to
greater success. Yes, I think independence is the least safe but
wisest move for BYU.
Glad to hear it. Footballs move to indpendence next year and I will get a TV
and subscribe to ESPN just to watch every game, except during hunting season.
Time will tell if it is a good move and the same for our friends at the U
jumping to the MWC and for BSU jumping to the MWC. I would look for
more changes next year as the BCS moves to protect its clout and 4 super
conferences develope and adjust to reposition their status. Go
Cougars. One last season to win the conference.
@Wildcat I lived in AL for years. You have no idea what you are talking about
as far as Auburn and U of AL are concerned. You lose that game and you eat dirt
for a year. There is no mercy. The Utah BYU rivalry is jr. high in
So the university tried to negotiate a special deal, a deal that if the Cougars
and the Western Athletic Conference's bungling commissioner, Karl Benson, had
gotten away with it, could have led to the demise of the MWC.Except
that the mole in the room told MWC commissioner Craig Thompson what was about to
happen, and Thompson immediately extended invitations -- special invitations --
to Nevada and Fresno State.Suddenly left without a special place to
roost its basketball and baseball teams, BYU went back to the MWC and asked to
be given special considerations in TV revenues, and the conference declined.Backed into a corner of its own making, BYU officials announced Tuesday
that it was leaving the MWC and that its football team will begin play in 2011
as an independent.---- Gil LeBreton (Fort Worth
Star-Telegram)@BugoffYour theory that BYU
"held all the cards like Texas" turns out to be wrong. Enjoy the shiny HD truck
playing in the WCC.
That is really sad that anyone would say, who cares about non-football and
non-basketball sports. BYU and all other self-respecting universities consider
all their sports programs and athletes with respect and support. Also, anyone
who says the WCC is anything but a subprime conference is deluded. Just check
out how that conference does against teams from any other self-respecting
conference. Trust me, the conference sucks, with very few exceptions.
The same Troy States, Appalachian States, Miami of Ohios, that Florida schedules
will be available for BYU to schedule in Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec as will be Notre
Dame, Texas, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Hawaii, etc. that Florida and the
like won't schedule outside their conference. It will all even out
to a tougher schedule than BYU has had in the past playing Wyoming, Colorado
State, New Mexico, San Diego State, UNLV.In fact, I'm guessing many
of the WAC and MWC schools will also schedule BYU on occasion. I'd bet Air
Force will, as will Wyoming, Colorado State, UNLV, etc., whose biggest game
attendance is BYU.
The only independent that has BCS privilege is ND. Army, Navy and now BYU are
all non-AQs without conferences. All things considered this is a
great move for the cougars. The WCC is on par with the MWC in most of the
sports they compete in. It is even better in a few like Soccer. The women's
softball team is the only one that is somewhat hurt, other WCC SB teams compete
in a special softball only league that UVU is currently a member of. It is
likely BYU will end up there which will make for a niceUtah valley rivalry.
@ bigutefan, I'm sure Gonzaga is just kicking themselves for not being int the
all-mighty PAC 10 in basketball. Get real dude. WCC teams don't have football
programs. what's the draw to the PAC for them? The PAC isn't hasn't been
relevant in basketball in years, but I'm pretty sure both Gonzaga and St Mary's
went dancing last spring. Think it through buddy.
A very strange move. It seems as though BYU is following its heart, rather than
using its head. All of this developed only after Utah was invited to the
PAC-10. Sure, tney may have thought about it, but it was not until Utah left
that BYU responded with what appears to be a pretty rash decision. Hope it
works out, but it does not feel as thought out as one would hope.
Interesting that all of the future BYU Football scheds have been removed from
Yeah, ND never plays in any bowl games either...Don't forget, many
of the top rated ESPN college games have involved the Cougars. ESPN loves to
schedule them...I think that ESPN owns enough bowl games that they will go
somewhere...somewhere new!BTW, now that the MWC is decimated, don't
you think that their tv contract and bowl tie-ins will want to renegotiate?
Favorite quote of the article: "Members of the WCC have at least one thing in
common with BYU – all are private, religiously affiliated institutions."
They also are all teams that have players and coaches that WISH they were in the
PAC-12, but they are not. That sums up BYU's desperate move. Congrats on moving
down to the WCC conference, nice! High risk.........your gambling BIG TIME! Only
time will tell......but the belief that the Big 12(ten) will come calling is NOT
going to happen, it's just not......then what?
Now that we are going to the WCC I hope BYU mens soccer becomes an NCAA sport.
If BYU football can schedule 3-4 big name teams each year this will
be a great move. Three home games on ESPN should draw big name teams. Every
year BYU has a great team to play. Now that they have a more flexible schedule
and a deal with ESPN it should be even easier.Now I can watch all
BYU games again. Finally!
@ what nowIgnorance is bliss, eh?BYU sheds it's Non-BCS
status by going Independent, Einstein.That's the point!Independents...Notre Dame, Navy, Army, all have BCS status...The
level of criteria is different, of course, but they are not considered
"Non-BCS". They have individual contracts with the BCS, as will BYU.So the U will have to put that old song to bed now.And I'm sure a
recruit who knows he'll be on National TV every week with BYU, might carry a bit
more clout than Utah playing an occsional game on Fox-Arizona...All
of those recruiting advantages U thought you had for the last 10 weeks?
Gone...ba bye!All 121 teams "can" be invited with a final Top 14
ranking as an at large team.Hypothetical...Does a 10-2 BYU ranked
9th or 10th in the BCS get an at large bid over a 10-2 Utah ranked say 8th?Again, who brings more fans and has a National following.Utes, you're just not all that. Humble pie is comin' 'round the bend.
BYU may be begging to return to the WAC or MWC in a few years.
@ all Utah haters and there jealousy....HA HA HA. Incredible how they jump all
over BYU when by going to the PAC-10 they have no affiliation. It's only because
they know that BYU (who can't get into that BCS game) will do better then they
will and it is eating them up. And for those who think BYU will not get quality
games, keep dreaming. If it makes you sleep better at night, that's what dreams
are for. Loving it. GO BYU.
No BYU fan in their right mind would say that independence is better than a PAC
invite. That is crazy. Stop being a troll. The U PAC invite was the pinnacle.
That is not possible. Independence is a tier below, but an improvement over
the MWC TV deal.I hope the MWC adds USU in a hurry.
The landscape of college athletics is changing and BYU is at the forefront.
It's great to be a Cougar!
GoUtahWhat bowl games will [BYU] play in?Watch and
learn.ESPN owns a bunch of bowl games and there are so many bowl
games today that just about every team with a break-even record plays in a
bowl.ESPN is already partnering with BYU to schedule and televise
several BYU regular season games. BYU arranged the BYU-Oklahoma game
to open the Jerry Dome last season.Do you honestly think that ESPN
won't make sure that BYU has an attractive bowl game to play in every year?BYU fans may have to travel a little farther than Las Vegas, but it's
sacrifice we're willing to make. ;)
@Ute TrollsYou just got punked.BYU has out-done U, again.1-BYU will control "All of it's Sports and TV rights.2-BYU
will determine who they play and when.3-BYU will have every football
game on National TV. Either with ESPN, BYU-TV, or Simulcast with
localTV4-BYU can carry Any of it's sports "Nationally" when
they choose to. 5-BYU's Basketball just joined a League with a
higher RPI than the MWC.6-BYU just shed the Non-AQ stigma.
(regardless of the criteria)BYU just did all of this with
"Their Own Name and National Casche"No "Coat-Tailing as Utah had to
do.Now Utes...Remember1-U are not an equal partner with
the other Pac-11. You will soon find out, in the new TV deal, that
USC, Oregon, UCLA, will be getting a bigger share than Utah and Wash. St.This is the new paradigm....Texas and Oklahoma are not
sharing equally with Iowa St. and Kansas.You'll see other schools
going Independent with theirown TV.BYU just increased it's TV
revenue for Footballby Ten-Fold. Not counting other sports.
Missionary Tool? Doing the haka on the opponent's field isn't going to win the
hearts and minds of the opponent's fans, nor will all the unsportsmanlike
penalties BYU racks up. I'm sure there's a numbers guy reading this...where
does BYU rank in the nation for unsportsmanlike penalties a season? Watching
the Utah/BYU game is entertaining but for the wrong reasons--the sideshow, the
antics.BYU (and Utah for that matter) needs to learn from the big
schools about a good rivalry where football is the entertainment.
Auburn/Alabama, Michigan/Ohio State and other classic rivalries where they make
great plays but show respect for their opponents by helping them up after
tackles, praying together after the game, etc. As a neutral fan
(the great Weber State), I can tell you, it is not seen in the Utah/BYU game or
most games those teams play. I was impressed with Patterson at TCU when he
benched a talented player for a quarter because he committed an unsportsmanlike
penalty. I don't see it with BYU: there was a good reason SI named them the
most hated team. I trully hope BYU turns it around.
The revenue from the Football program has supported the other sports (perhaps
not mens basketball). If the Football program can double, triple, etc. it's
revenue, the other sports should be fine. Perhaps they won't compete for a MWC
championship but who really has paid attention to the track & field conference
championship other than the family and close friends of the athletes. With
greater revenue, the other sports can still show up at track & field meets and
compete. I'm sorry I used T&F as an example. I could just as easily used
tennis or gymnastics, or ... I'm actually excited to watch
this evolve. Good ridance to the MWC. I'm eager to actually WATCH the BYU
press conference on DISH tomorrow.
Track and womens softball etc. will play in the WAC in exchange for some annual
football visits. BYU has it all planned out and finally something other than
the Las Vegas Bowl!!! 20 x national TV exposure, 10 x the money, better home
and home games against national powers thanks to ESPN brokering a strong
schedule. No more crappy Mtn West TV deal, no more Craig Thompson (worst
conference commish ever)!This is the biggest no brainer ever!
Nothing but upside! Any Ute spamming different is just showing proof that they
never learned basic math and have No logic or common sense!
Unbelievable! Utah rises to the prestigious PAC 12, and BYU does a free fall to
the WCC obscurity. Absolutely unreal.
TDS just gain one up on us again. Oh when is it going to end. It's hard playing
in the shadow of the great TDS.
I have a really good feeling about this move. Track and swimming/diving will do
just fine as independents, too.
Hey dud----I am an Idaho BYU fan. BYU will play Boise STate next year-----not
just in the MWC. Boise needs to look at withdrawing from the MWC, they will be
loosers in the long run. I think Boise State should not have jumped into a
losing MWC---without Utah And BYU. Do you think they will let Boise State win
in a game agaist AF or TCU. I see TCU leaving as well. Why should they stay
in a conference and get l M for their efforts. I see TYU joining the Conference
USA. I said this on Sept. 1- 10 Mark my words. That is why that TCU did not
want BYU to leave, they wanted to jump lst. Lets seee how this plays out
Robert Johnson Would you like to explain how playing Notre Dame,
Army, and Navy every year isn't an upgrade from playing Wyoming, New Mexico, and
UNLV?The BYU haters are shaking in their boots about the prospect of
BYU football becoming even bigger and more nationally recognized than they could
have ever imagined in their worst nightmares.Sure, BYU will take
some Florida State-like lumps along the way, but the Cougars will also have many
Oklahoma 14-13, Oregon State 44-20, and UCLA 59-0 moments as well.
Not feeling so bad about cutting the cable now. Can't wait to see BYU sports
programming over the air again.
Freedom! Feedom to choose...our schedule, our broadcast quality, our
broadcasters, our revenue options, our exposure of BYU Athletics and what it
represents.Rise and shout the Cougars are out...of the MTN!I'll carry that Title of Liberty!Go Cougs!
I'm a Utah Fan. I've been closely watching what is going on with the other teams
as well. I think BYU going indy is great for the school, and the WCC will be a
good fit for them in the other sports. The sports the WCC doesn't sponsor will
be able to find associated leagues I am sure.The question for me
comes in at the claim to nationally televised games playing BYU. Sure, some 60
mil. homes have access to BYU-TV, but the channel is a NON-REVENUE channel.
That's fine for BYU, because the church and the members can back them, but for
the team they are playing it won't be. Visiting teams also rely on TV coverage,
and may not like the limitations of being televised on BYU-TV. I'm just curious
to see how they'll work that all out. BYU will have a lot of negotiating to do
on their plate for their athletic department: scheduling 12+ games a year plus
scheduling 12+ games worth of TV broadcast rights, etc. I'm not sure about all
of this from a strictly revenue standpoint.
Our little brothers just became our even littler brothers. Ha ha ha ha ha!!
WCC now there's real juggernaut of a conference for ya.
"The university has scheduled a press conference Wednesday at noon. The press
conference will be broadcast live on BYUtv. Viewing options for BYUtv include
the basic tier on..."That is why BYU can go independent. I am very
interested to see what advertisers purchase time during the BYU games. The WAC
contract included broadcasts of all non-televised conference tournament games on
BYU TV. What other conference is able to nationally distribute a softball
tournament?I like the exposure for the LDS Church, and I like the
affiliation with other faith based institutions. I hope they are able to
maintain a competitive football schedule.
and don't forget Tommy, you can get off the plane at LAX and be sitting in
Gerstan Pavilion in about 20 minutes watching your Coogs play....
What bowl games will the tds play in? Probably a good choice for the tds.
They've never really cared about post season play, anyway.Independent = No bowl games, especially BCS.Way to go TDS!
Man, talk about Moxi. BYU has guts. No guts no glory. This is going to be
fantastic. The reason no one does this is they cannot hold a candle to BYU
broadcasting possibilities. This is going to make the competition mad, but
chances are they won't understand what is really happening. Oh boy, I love it.
This is no place for sissies. I can hardly wait until tomorrow. And you watch,
the track and other sports will find a home.
USC's board would be derelict if they did not demand and get an arrangement like
TX. Ditto for UCLA and maybe CAL. Wait a year or two when the PAC TV
contract is up and see how the money get moved to the teams with a TV following.
At least the non-PAC patsies that play USC get paid well. Utah and CO are a ?.
USC and TX have the endowment to afford a broadcast facility like
BYU's. However, will they make that kind of investment? They already have strong
brands. In the long run TV coverage/reach/exposure will over ride
the tradition of the conferences and new conferences based on maxing the TV
revenues will evolve. TX has it's broadcast rights and a good
conference. But will they utilize their broadcast rights? BYU can max the value
of their broadcast rights to become a much stronger brand. BYU needs
to expand the stadium another 20-25,000. It will pay for itself and help with
scheduling. There are private donors who would pay for the expansion. Level Edwards said it best. Invest in the program and it will improve.
Hey, I appreciate the laughs I've gotten from all of you who put your ignorance
and prejudice on such clear display!But since some may be taking the
absurd comments seriously, a few facts are in order:Neither Utah
State nor the WAC has blamed BYU for what happened. Their ire is rightfully
directed at Nevada and Fresno State for their contract breaking and
double-dealing. The President of Fresno State was one of those who initiated the
$5M buyout to keep the WAC together!Nobody in official circles is
blaming BYU for doing anything dishonorable, any more than anyone blames Utah
for such. ALL such talk originates with disgruntled MWC team fans and media in
MWC towns - check it out. It's funny how many Ute fans post bile here on a
story that has little to do with Utah. For the record, I want Utah to do
extremely well, and root for Utah, every year except for one game: the game they
play BYU. Many Y fans do the same.Finally, Holmoe deserves a raise.
This is (and will prove to be) a VERY savvy move. More people than ever will see
BYU games now.
USportsFanIt would be interesting to know where you get your
information from. The PAC 10 doesn't have a contract with ESPN now
and it's highly unlikely that they'll have a contract with ESPN when the Utes
join the PAC 12.To see where the PAC 10 does play, check out Fox
College Sports Pacific.I'll admit that I'll occassionally pause
while channel surfing to watch one of those late Saturday night Arizona State
vs. Stanford games on Fox. It's doubtful, however, that very many fans East of
the Rockies will be staying up late to watch the Utes play Arizona.
If we can watch BYU football and basketball on BYU-TV then this is a great move.
Great, great move on so many fronts:1) Football gets better exposure
and more money to support all the other sports2) Basketball is at least
even, with as much chance or more to make it to the tourney each year3)
All the other sports get to travel to sunny California for their events...ask
any of them if they care about conference alignment as they are playing tennis
in Wyoming or getting spit upon in New Mexico. Track, swimming, X-country, etc.
you race against a clock not against a conference. You can be a national
champion at any university or jc if you are fast enough.4) Men's soccer
was already out, women's soccer will do fine filling their schedule, volleyball
will improve with West Coast exposure5) BYU can put any sport any time on
TV which not only helps with their mission of exposure, but it also promotes the
WCC private schools who have similar missionsWhy didn't someone
think of this sooner? SWEEEET!
For the moment, it appears that BYU has thrown the women's up and coming
softball program under the bus. If I was an athlete in one of the other sports
other than basketball, I am not sure I would want to play for BYU and in the
WCC. It is definitely a risky move even for the football program. We should know
more in about 3 years. Samuelson and Holmoe will either look brilliant or they
might be chased out of town by BYU's unforgiving faithful.
Smart move. The y was destined to continue with the 3rd best football team
behind BSU and TCU.
Memo to; Jeff R "Gonzaga is going to get lost in the Marriot Center
where it seats 3 times as much as its enrollment!" BYU enrollment 39,999
+ So the Marriot Center houses 90,000 fans ? See you in the
taillights !!!!! GO UTES !!!!
Wow, waited to last moment, lesson learned from the earlier mistake. Not much
chance the MWC can counter. BYU will improve and already competitive WCC. Sets up an interesting final year in the MWC for both. Not a good year
to travel to Wyoming this year; I suspect the reception will be rough. But good
preparation for whats in store as they travel to exotic distant stadiums; meet
exciting, unusual people and… For the first year or two Utah may find
Provo the friendliest stadium to visit. The opposite - not so much; Rice stadium
and the MUSS will be far closer to what BYU will see on a regular basis.The MWC experiment is over. Utah certainly enjoyed a better result,
with two undefeated seasons and BCS games. BYU might have been better served to
have gone independent instead. No telling.Regardless, I look
forward to the first games this week.Go Utah!!
Welcome to the national stage BYU! We have missed you ever since
the MWC commissioner hid the conference on his little mountain channel.Guess he thought it would rival ESPN in no time. At least that's what Comcast
told him. That's what he gets for dealing with the devil. Well,
that was a huge mistake that both Utah and BYU began fighting to get out of 8 or
9 years ago.Boise, Fresno, and UNR had better head back to the WAC,
instead of running headlong into the abyss that is the MWC. Comcast has a
strangle hold on the MWC, and you will never be heard from again.Looks like a happy ending for the Utes headed out to the left coast, and the
Cougs headed worldwide on ESPN and BYUTV.Other shoes may yet fall,
according to Gary Patterson in Ft. Worth; and the BCS as we know it may soon be
remodeled into a playoff!But whatever comes, BYU is now visible from
the bayou, y'all! Believe me, we are going to be playing college football til
they turn the lights out, and BYU will be in the thick of it!
This is for the Trolls especially the Ute Trolls. The BYU
broadcasting truck cost $22 Million. I will let you figure out how much it cost
to put the international broadcasting facility in. But it is more than the Utes
will get out of the next 10 years in the PAC. This move is not about
money. It is about national and international exposure. The conferences are
irrelevant. What is relevant is the ability to schedule teams that will produce
national audiences. Scheduling MTN/WAC teams has little value to
BYU. They may need some fillers but the real advantage is in scheduling East
Coast, Mid West and Southern Teams where the Church is not that well known. Do you think the Church (private donations) spent 50-100 million on
broadcast facilities to broadcast BYU vs Utah State? This is a much
bigger and grander adventure than you realize. It is international. BYU TV plays
in China and is actually watched. Fox regional is not. Think of the
international recruiting in all sports. Think about the missionary work that
will come from the exposure. The channel and viewership will build. So will BYU
and the Church.
Wow....how BYU has fallen. I'm afraid this marks the beginning of the end for
the legacy of BYU football (and other sports for that matter).BYU would
have been better served waiting in the MWC for a Big 12 invitation. Now the
only hope is that after struggling for a couple of years, BYU gets the invite.
If not....the once mighty BYU program is destined for the Big Sky.
Dektol"Looks like BYU will do ANYTHING to run away from playing
Boise State."Either you don't know anything about Boise State or
you're just another clueless BYU hater.BYU scheduled Boise State to
a four game home-and-home series beginning in 2012 long before the Broncos ever
joined the MWC.Would you like to explain how that is "running away"
from Boise State?
Question: Could the U of U made this play?Would they if
they could have?If they had, would all the BYU (Utes in this case)
fans been all over it?Answer:No, they couldn't have.Yes,
they would if they could.No, BYU fans are fans of BYU, not anti zoobs, or
anti-utes.Fact:BYU will prosper all sports in this
deal.Utah will fail in ALL sports (football too) in their move to
the PAC.I would like Utah and BYU to be successful, but the only
program I see moving ahead after this summer is BYU.The Utes will be
a dismal failure in the PAC.BYU on national TV will be a boon to
their national following, and will recruit the studs that Utah can't because of
regional PAC TV.Bottom line, you anti-zoobs... Only one has the
Heisman, and the National Championship.The Utes have a long way to
go to be equal with their big brothers...
Michigan Coog: I'm not a Ute fan (actually a BYU grad but I guess I'm not
drinking the Kool-Aid and I'm also a fan of all the other sports and not just
football and men's basketball so I'm trying to figure out how this works out for
the better overall). With the Utes, I think their move won't work out as
planned, lots of 6-6 teams, and look out with their other sports program. It's
the PAC-12 and they believe in having the total sports progam. Ouch!I'm not sure BYU's move to Independent status will work out either. Okay, I
know BYU has scheduled a bit over the years, I was being tongue in cheek and I'm
sure BYU will get some good games here or there. But any games past this year
with any the current MWC teams, even Utah, are a big ????????? That is a fact.
Now the jigsaw puzzle has to be filled in and my guess with Tennessee Tech on
the schedule is as sound on logic as playing Texas or Florida? Sorry, but true
@ Tom in CASit down and yawn--the Cougars are on...against VMI, the
Citadel, Sun Belt teams, etc. Can't wait for hoops against San Francisco,
Pepperdine, Portland, and such and such. Set the DVR for those start times! :-)
ESPN will lose interest when the 6-6 seasons happen. BYUTV, KBYU
will carry games...I don't see the nation combing the TV guide to find these
stations. Eventually attendance will suffer...filler games against Montana Tech
during the tough October slate won't exactly put butts in the seats at LES.
Paying the Montana Techs of the world big bucks won't exactly be great
either.Hope the increased money compensates for the doldrums of
football independence and the WCC. If BYU honestly thought outside of
themselves, they would realize this isn't a good move. Look at all the success
of Notre Dame the past few decades. Oh and by the way, when Hawaii goes
independent, it will steal away most of your action: Hawaii or Provo, Utah? No
offense, but I think most teams will pass up Provo for a trip to Hawaii.You will be begging the Big Sky--BEGGING! Good times!
WCC can play all the Sunday games they want. They can play BYU Mon-Sat.
Championships must be rescheduled, but they are willing to do this because their
conference just got an upgrade. Plus, BYU travels well.I am pleased with
this outcome. Already planning on Winter BB trips to San Francisco (a small but
nice gym), Pepperdine (Malibu is so fine), Portland (Rose's Deli is great),
Santa Clara (do you know your way to San Jose, maybe I'll catch a Sharks' game),
USD (visit relatives and La Jolla shores-sweet. Talked with Roger Reid recently
and he thought the Y would do great in the WCC. I agree. Excited to buy season
tickets for 2011-2012. Annual battles with Gonzaga for supremacy in the WCC.
MiP"You mention BYU going home-and-home with Notre Dame. That hasn't
happened, bro."YET!But it appears to be imminent:Hot off the South Bend Tribune press, today: Notre Dame AD
Jack Swarbrick did acknowledge that an independent BYU would provide a strong
option for future November schedules, when many schools are restricted by
conference affiliation. BYU would be college football's fourth independent,
joining Notre Dame, Army and Navy."Even prior to this announcement,
we were talking to them about doing some games," Swarbrick said of BYU.When asked if the Cougars could be the final piece to the 2011 scheduling
puzzle, Swarbrick responded, "I don't have it in front of me."
as a WCC alum (LMU)-welcome! its a great move for you and for us (just think of
what it will be like being the Mormon boogeyman for all us Catholics :)
Mip. 8:45 pm."So, enough with the Ute hating."An unreal
comment. Have you read the posts....ever?Talk to your boys Hedgie,
Chris B. Patriot, Naval Vet, etc. if you really want to learn about hate.
This is definitely a step backwards. We will be scheduling the leftovers from
the WAC, and the lesser independants. How exciting is that? No series history,
no rivalries. Everyone is saying that they are so psyched that BYU will have
national exposure, every game on ESPN, 60 million viewers, etc. Ha ha ha. We
will be lucky to see one game, possibly two on ESPN in 2011 and beyond. That is
BYU-Texas and maybe BYU-Utah. Is BYUtv even committed to show live all the rest
of the games? I don't think so. My guess is that we'll see our occasional BYU
football game on BYUtv about 2am on a Tuesday.
Long Live Independence!
@ohsno: Yes, the WCC will accomodate BYU's no-Sunday play policy.
@patriot. Dude, why don't you at least come with well thought out comments.
BYU has ALREADY SCHEDULED Texas for the next 3 years. They're playing UW first
game of this season and FSU the third. You are embarassing yourself by showing
either your ignorance, or myopic hatred. You're just not smart either way. If
you hate BYU, fine, but at least speak intellegently, because you and I both
know there's no truth to your comments about BYU not being able to schedule
teams of Big 10 caliber or better. Teams will jump at the chance to play on
ESPN. Oh wait, do pro scouts watch ESPN games? Hmm, let me think.
"The WCC plays basketball on Sundays. Are they going to change for BYU?"Absolutely!!!You might see St. Mary's playing Pepperdine on
Sunday, but you'll never see BYU playing Gonzaga on Sunday.
I think that the financial impact will be interesting too. If conservatively
BYU can pull down $5-7 million a season for football alone that is 5-6 times
what it gets now, and they keep 100% of bowl revenue. They also have access to
the WCC ESPN contract for basketball, plus whatever they can generate for
sportscasts on BYUtv.Utah on the otherhand agreed to take only the
same $1.2 million that they would have gotten from the MWC for the first two
years on the PAC, and then the PAC TV agreement gets renegotiated. By 2013, how
many heavy hitters in College Football will demand a Texas type agreement? Utah
will never get a full share of the PAC.This could very easily end up
being an equal revenue move for the Cougs.
RobSing - I predict 10 years before the Utes contend for the Rose Bowl if then.
Big Deal Huh.
180 comments and counting - mostly from Utes and other BYU bashers. I would
ask, why do you care but then I realize that it's because nothing you have ever
done has generated this much interest. Nobody but Ute fans paid attention when
Utah announced their move. For everyone else, it was just an afterthought to
Texas & co. jilting the PAC 10. This story however has everyone's attention,
obviously including yours!
Freedom at last!!!BYU fans across the country and around the world
will now be able to watch EVERY BYU football game, many on ESPN, all of the rest
on BYUtv.Instead of locked in games in Laramie and Albuquerque, BYU
will now be able to schedule games anywhere in the country: Notre
Dame, Army, Navy and Hawaii could become regular opponents, along with Utah and
Utah State.Throw in a couple of PAC 10 and Big 12 opponents, Air
Force, TCU, Boise State, and a couple of teams from the Big Ten, ACC, Big East,
or SEC.BYU's main problem won't be finding enough good teams to
play, it will be resisting the temptation to schedule too many good teams.Television revenue is only a secondary concern, but estimates for
2011:BYU $8 to 10 millionUtah $0Nationally
televised gamesBYU 12Utah 1 (when the Utes play the Cougars)Go Cougs!
Ahhhhhh, FINALLY! Freedom!The bowl matchups were awful; MWC #1/2 v PAC10
#4/5!? The UNLV basketball tournament was painful year in and year out. And
well, the mtn network... some things are better just left alone.As
for Utah (seeing that many Ute fans read and comment here), a respectful
brotherly nod for a job well done on your PAC10 invite.The Zags, St
Mary's and San Diego will certainly give BYU enough preparation for the big
dance, but I am interested in the track and softball questions. BYUtv 12 noon
Ute Fan - Congrats BYU this could be bigger than being in a BCS conference. At
any rate i'll bet you have great games and will actually be on TV more than my
Interesting things to find out at tomorrow's press conference:1.
What is ESPN's involvement? I'd assume that many teams, particularly mid-tier
BCS teams, would be happy to play BYU and come to Provo, to get a guaranteed
national broadcast on ESPN. How many ESPN games? How much revenue from each
game? What teams will ESPN bring to the table? Don't forget, ESPN is a part of
ABC...could we see the Cougars on ABC?2. What does the 2011
schedule look like? BYU wouldn't make this move effective in 2011 unless they
had a clear path to a viable schedule. There are five teams that were already
on the schedule: Oregon St., Texas, Utah, USU and Boise St. (as a non-con
before their announcement this year) that's a pretty good start.3.
Will BSU, Nevada and Fresno St head back to the WAC? The MWC without Utah and
BYU is pretty weak. Or will there be another conference realignment?I do think that this move frees up BYU to be a bigger player in any additional
realignment next summer without any requirement of notification to the
MWC...could be interesting!
Wow! What a disaster. BYU fans silly enought to cheer this move are just
whistling past the graveyard. There is a very good reason why virtually nobody
does this...it has almost no chance of success. As BYU has already learned, it
has few friends, and from everything I've read there is zero momentum for a BCS
conference invite anytime in the future and no chance BYU can schedule enough
BCS teams to have any chance of a BCS invite as an independent. BYU haters have
to be doing a back flip tonight: this is virtual suicide.
@justmeagainI find it ironic that utah fans are talking so much
smack about BYU's bball team playing in the WCC. Especially since most of the
bball teams in the WCC would eat Boylen's (and the "mighty" runnin utes) lunch
if they ever played. Get a less pathetic bball team, then talk
smack. It helps in terms of credibility.
This "pre" announcement is surprising.Good luck to BYU in finding a
FULL 12 game schedule of BCS teams who would want to take a chance on getting
beat by a Non-BCS school. It might be easier finding Non-BCS teams willing to
schedule BYU for the pay-day.I like the idea of getting to watch the
Cougars on a weekly basis. The mtn. has been okay for some BYU games. Versus
fits about the same role. The CBS College Sports Channel is unavailable in my
area.It will be interesting to see/hear what will be announced
2010 NCAA Basketball final top 25 rankings:WCC Teams (Including
BYU) 3PAC 12 Teams (Including Utah & Colorado) 1MWC Teams
(Without BYU) 1WAC Teams (Including Nevada & Fresno St.) 0Looks like this is a great move for basketball too!
Patriot: Your comments make you look like a joke.
2011 BYU ScheduleTexas (BCS team) 0-1Oregon State (BCS team) 0-2Utes (BCS team) 0-3Utah State 1-3to be added:LA Tech 2-3Cal Davis 3-3Idaho 4-3Northern Iowa 5-3Western Michigan
6-3Middle Tennessee 7-3Troy 8-3FIU 9-3And what
bowl? Humanitarian BowlGood luck, Kewgers!!!You did your fans
proud.(It still feels soooooooo gooooooood to be a Utes!)
I'm not a Utah fan.... Far from it.... But this is a bad move.... I feel like we
ripped the guts out of our B-Ball program.... I feel sorry for Rose, I feel
sorry for all those potential Cougar HS players who had visions of playing for
BYU in the MWC or the B12 who will now look to other schools... and I also feel
sorry for myself and other BYU fans who now have to watch us play in a league
whose universities are 1/4th to 1/3rd the size of BYU...If they
think that this move helps our positioning for a potential invite to the B12,
then I believe they are badly mistaken...Holmoe has made allot of
mistakes as AD, but this one is the biggest, by far.
Cougarnate,Don't hold your breath. USU is still in the wilderness.
BYU is going to land on it's feet running. I feel bad for the rest of the MWC.
I hope they can fare well when the Mtn Network folds.Mr Thompson,
you saw the writing on the wall. That would have been a good time to offer some
concessions instead of playing hardball. Now you are in a world of hurt. Those
curve-balls come pretty fast and hard.Other MWC Presidents, you saw
it coming too. Why didn't you pressure the conference for some BYU concessions?
Now you all loose.And Nevada and Fresno, geepers. You killed two
conferences. You are going to have to pay $5 mil each and not be in a better
conference after all. You should have seen the writing on the wall as well. You
didn't sell out. You bought out. That may not have been the right direction.
Better rethink attending business school at either of those colleges.Utah State, I hope you find a good home. In another year or two you should
join BYU in the Big 18.
Oh me! Oh my! This is the end of BYU football as we know it! What
is the matter with people? BYU is going to be just fine. They have already
proven that they can bring major teams to Provo. Now, instead of CSU coming to
Provo, you might see Clemson. Instead of Wyoming, you might see Houston.
Instead of UNLV, you might see NAVY. That seems like a pretty good trade to me.
I admire the courage and support the move wholeheartedly! The Cougars and Utes
have carried the MWC for a decade and the rest of the conference provided
nothing. I love the access to BYU football without the MTN--sports worst-ever
network, and though I first thought the WCC would be a death sentence for
basketball, I now think the Cougars addition makes it at least equal to the MWC
and easily better than the WAC. We'll love having the basketball team playing
on the west coast more!
WCC is an improvement over MWC in basketball, and it will be hard work but i'm
sure the track team and most other sports will be able to find enough events
that will schedule them to stay alive for 2 years at which time BYU will
probably be in the Big 12.Finally BYU fans will be able to watch a
sports event that is professionally filmed and televised and not something that
was filmed with a k-mart camcorder.Goodby to Homecourt for UNLV in
every conference tournament, goodby to the Vegas Bowl which cries out the Pac 10
4th place team is as good as MWC's conference winner and goodby to Thompson and
his obvious Vegas ties.
Cougars - Wise Older Brothers,I'm not sure if you, and other BYU
fans get your info. Haven't you heard, the PAC TV contract with ESPN is not
regional anymore. The commish told ESPN that they can mirror play the regional
games on another channel for free until they renew their TV contract.Utah is going home-and-home with USC, Oregon, UCLA, Stanford.BYU
is going... we'll see how it works out.
Finally BYU announced it's affiliated with a group of high schools. Great. Now
maybe we can get back to talking about the Utes. It's like everyone forgot that
WE were the ones who got invited to the PAC-10, not BYU. Even the story the
other day about our 3rd string running back Vakapuna had to mention BYU. BYU,
BYU, BYU. We're the big brother now.
Looks like BYU will do ANYTHING to run away from playing Boise State. Even join
the little sisters of the poor conference.You guys are a joke and sure
provide a lot of laughter with a move like this.
Maybe this is alittle bit of topic, but what if USC actually paid some attention
to the Ute fans that chanted the mantra "PAC 1+9" a few months ago.USC might take some action for itself following a Texas type model or maybe
even consider going independent. They could you know. College football
landscapes have changed.USC has national cache, a national
following, and could obtain a very lucrative TV deal. Of course, being hit by
NCAA sanctions is a fly in ointment, but millions will follow them
regardless.I don't believe that anyone will argue against the fact
that USC is the PAC's big dog in football.USC might be thinking PAC
1+9 and in the future PAC 1+11; two more mouths to feed.I'm not
saying this is USC's mindset, but I'm just saying..............
USU stuck by BYU, and then gets stuck in the back again. Thanks for the HONESTY
from Scott Barnes and President Albrect. They are the only ones that have
BYU gives up little by leaving the sinking MWC and gains freedom for better
exposure and a better TV deal. Good on the Cougs for having the guts to take
the more uncertain route with more upside. Going back to the LV Bowl for the
umpteenth time would do little to advance the program.And ESPN is
This move is a direct result of the horrible television deal put forth by the
MTN West Conference. I would rather see BYU leave the MTN West and play as an
Independent in football, than be unable to get good television coverage. BYU
will be able to use its own network to show all of its sports w/o MTN West
interference. In the long run, BYU's football team will benefit from this move
through greater television coverage. As for the other sports, I don't think this
move hurts them for basketball and volleyball. I will love seeing BYU play
The WCC plays basketball on Sundays. Are they going to change for BYU?
BYU going independent is the right move and a risk worth taking. Staying put in
the MWC in football has no upside. As far as how this might affect BYU's
appearing in a BCS Bowl, they are no further or closer than they were while in
the MWC. The formula is still the same-go undefeated. I will use Utah's most
recent BCS trip as an example. Utah had a number of games that year that easily
could have gone either way; games they had to come from behind to win. The game
against TCU comes to mind. As good as the Utes were that year, they also had a
little bit of luck going their way. Very few teams go undefeated in a season.
BYU has finished at the top or close nearly every year in the MWC. They haven't
managed to put together an undefeated season recently. Based on Bronco
Mendenhall's first five years at BYU, he certainly seems capable of making that
happen. I see the football program as solid and getting better all the time.
Independence should be a definite plus.
I find it ironic that Utah fans comment SO much on our articles. Find your own
articles! Good Luck and Good Bye!
Ute fans claim that the Y is tiny and irrelevant yet they are always posting on
Y stories...go and enjoy your conference, congrats on being selected to the
PAC-12, and please take your garbage posts with you.
This is an awesome move by BYU, $, exposure and a great market that BYU is
bringing to California, Oregon, and Washington by joining the WCC, and wouldn't
it seem logical that BYU has already made a deal with ESPN, otherwise why make
the move? BYU will now make at least 5 to 10 times more money now than they do
in the Mountain West. Good for the Cougars! I am excited to see how everything
happens, and who knows this may be a short term thing for BYU...Big 12 anybody
in a couple of short years?
@Cougars-Wise Older BrothersLet's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Just because BYU is independent in football doesn't mean they can just schedule
who they want. That is still undecided. You mention BYU going
home-and-home with Notre Dame. That hasn't happened, bro. They do get TExas,
which is nice but thaty happened while they were still afiliated with the
MWC.What WILL happen is Utah going home-and-home with USC, Arizona,
Oregon, Washington, Oregon State, Stanford, as well as Washington State (which
occasionally has a good team--don't belive me? check out your BYU's head-to-head
against those "other cougars"). You mention BYU going national ESPN,
but it is likely BYU will only have a few games on that network (though they
will still be better that what they get on MTN). Utah may have opportunities on
ESPN and ABC as well. So, it's likely a wash.Oh, and Utah plays
Notre Dame this year on NBC.So, enough with the Ute hating.I say it's intriguing what BYU has done and only time will tell how much this
will affect their football competitiveness.
I expect to see Utah State get an offer from the mwc now.
MichiganCoog,It will be interesting to see what becomes of this.$10-15 mil/year is a very generous estimate. That would only be if ESPN
played more than 5 of their home games at the highest price they were will to
pay for 1 game, which won't be likely. I'd say they are more likely to get
between $4-8 mil/year in TV revenue.The ONLY way BYU is going to the
BIG 12 is if Texas decides they are bigger than the conference and goes
independent. Texas doesn't want to share revenue and doesn't want BYU in their
conference. They want TCU even less in the conference.Then if Texas
leaves, you could likely see the other Big 12 teams bolt for a new conference,
ie Big 10, Pac 12, and SEC. So quit dreaming of the Big 12. Ah... keep dreaming,
just like you've been dreaming for years of the PAC 10, til this year.It will be interesting to see if BYU can consistently schedule any teams that
will be top 25 teams for home and home games, besides Utah.BTW, I don't smoke.Good Luck BYU
BYU Schedule for 2011 will include@Oregon State@TexasUtahUtah State
Congratulations to BYU football for going independent! That seems like a good
move for BYU football going forward.I hope things work out for the
rest of BYU athletics. It will be good for BYU basketball and baseball in the
WCC. Hopefully BYU volleyball can keep things moving forward.
@hedgehog, Chris B, Otis, Howard Beal, wildcat, et al and the rest of your
ilk:Nice try with all your incoherent comments. Your intelligence only
preceeds your jealousy.@MichiganCoog:Right on with your
analysis.Independence was no knee jerk reaction to the decisions of
the TUN. This has been in the making for a prolonged period of time - the BYU
broadcast facilities were not conceived and built in the past 6 weeks.As to the "other" sports programs not organized in the WCC - the Y will have
no problem being affiliated with other reputable programs.The WCC is
a great place and good fit for BYU - as they will be in a highly visible
marketplace.The Y football program will attract and play any high
profile team they want. Rise and Shout - the Cougars are out!!
I am so excited to be out of the MWC. It is a sham----with Craig Thompson as
its commissioner. I hope Boise State and UTU join with them. UNLV is a great
school, so is SDS. I think TCU will join Conference USA. Wyoming and CSU are
great schools also. AF is the only team that will benefit, because they will
move up in the MWC. All the other teams are going to have to scramble to get in
a better conference. I see SDS and UNLV joining the WCC also---maybe not this
year, but give them a year. I am excited for the Cougs, as I was for Utah. Go
Well, there's always "rowing" to look forward to...I just don't understand the
decision though...basketball is a huge BYU sport and in the WCC it won't be at
the same level or competitiveness and will assume that over time they'll not do
well in the recuiting battes for the best of the best and talent will choose to
go else where, dare I say Utah, or some other Pac 12 or other BCS conference
school. I wish the Y the very best as they set off on their new course,
however, I don't see easy sailing in the football waters either.
Ah yes finally out of that pathetic tv deal with the MWC and on to more national
exposure and revenue. Not too mention a more exciting schedule, not having to be
tied to the same old conference games every year. I think this is a great move
for BYU and having their other sports in the WCC will be beneficial as well,
especially Mens Basketball since the WCC already has a contract with espn to
show their games. No more games stuck on the Mountain, now we either have espn
or HD byutv which is already in 60 million homes. Also, this move could end up
the launching pad to a BCS conference, the big 12 will eventually expand to 12
teams and with more exposure, people across the nation will get to see just what
BYU is all about.
Haven't read every comment (can't keep up!) but many seem to lament BYU's
chances of getting into a BCS game. They just don't get it. This isn't about
selling out for the sake of the BCS. It should be obvious to all that BYU's
motivation is not the 'mighty' BCS but the exposure and opportunity to pursue
its vision and not kowtow to the flame of the moment. The BCS' days in this form
are numbered. The 'sellout' of other sports would be the continued sorry MWC
exposure for the sake of football and vanity hoping for validation by the 'in'
crowd. I'll miss the 'traditional' conference affiliations too. But I also
don't think this will be the last alignment, and when the sorry BCS is finally
really busted, those who sold out to pursue it may rue what it's done to them as
much as any who turned their backs on the hype of the moment. Someday people
will mock the BCS 'trophies' as much as some mock the pre-BCS trophies. This
will be hard but it's more honest than a lot of alternatives.
Howard Beal,Last time I checked BYU football schedule for 2011:TexasOregon StateOut little Brothers to the north (that'd be
UTES)Utah StateAnd 8 more opponents that I'm sure will be
mentioned in tomorrow's news conference. Nice try on trying to
minimize a great move by your superior brothers to the south, that have owned
your so-called Utes that were the 3 eyed step-sister that Mr. Scott of the PAC
10 was left with, once Texas and its other BIG12 buddies saw the light that
joining the PAC10 was a mistake...mark my words, what BYU just did, will become
the trend of the future by the other biggies out there that attempt to set-up
their own TV packages like no one else has done other than your big brothers to
the south...enjoy your future 6-6 records in the PAC12, the conference no one
watches due to their late-at-night game starting times, that no one east of
Denver, CO even tunes into...swallow that fact YWTIES...keep your jealousy
coming, your BIG brother to the south just made your big-time move to the PAC
This fails, keep your eyes out for some good property deals where the old LES
used to stand. Unless BYU brings bags of money with them to get other schools
to play them, why would anyone take a chance scheduling them. They used to be a
quality team from a conference of BCS busting teams. Now, they are affiliated
with no one. I can just see it going into a sports bar and ask them
to turn on BYU TV so that you can watch the game.... yeah, right.I
hope they are luckier than I think they will be, because I would hate to see a
proud organization like BYU football fail.
Maybe the next move will be to join with Snow College, Dixie State and CEU? I
will bet their basketball recruiting will just sky rocket now !!! BYU basketball
better get used to playing in alot high school type gyms going forward!!! BYU's
recruiting in all sports is going to TANK!!! Gee mom, I get to play in front of
350 people at Portland State!! Yes sir, BYU is for me!!!
The mass hysteria emanating from the hill is music to the ears of all true blue
BYU fans.BYU just trumped Utah's move to the PAC 10.Utah
is going west coast.BYU is going national.Utah is going
regional FOX Sports.BYU is going national ESPN.Utah is
going home-and-home with Washington St.BYU is going home-and-home
with Notre Dame.Go COUGARS!
The WCC is barely above a junior college conference. Nice move BYU... I guess
you have finally found someone you can compete with. This is embarassing.
"bets are that a 10-12 win finish next year, could be a very attractive
proposition for the BIG12 to consider for expansion."ahhh, still
dreaming of a BCS conference invite? On the eve of your big indy
anouncement you sill have the need to mention a BCS invite?Your pain
must run deep.
Breaking News!! BYU WANTS ATTENTION!!
Bottom line: Utah did something BYU couldn't do by getting an invite to the
PAC12. BYU did something that Utah could never do by going indy.Fact
and fact. Move on. Go Cougs!!! Beat UW!!!
talk about saving your leg by cutting your arm off!! Holy cow BYU what are you
doing??? I will bet they pack the Marriott Center to watch BYU play Portland and
Bo-diddly tech too!! Oh and say goodbye to softball, swimming, diving and track.
Losing track is huge!! I personally think this is the beginning of the end for
BYU NCAA competition. No one is going to play the Y in football and what player
is going to come play for the Y not knowing what sort of NFL exposure they will
get? Notre Dame gets teams like Mich State and USC out of tradition ..but BYU??
Not gonna happen. I predict in 5 years BYU will drop all athletics. If I am a
BYU athlete I am looking right now to transfer somewhere else. What a joke.
BYU will have no problem scheduling. Remember, any BYU game at home
or on the road will be on National TV either ESPN or BYUTV, not the mtn., or VS
or CBS College, but on virtually every cable/satellite system, Dish, Direct,
Comcast, Cox, all of them.Strong selling points when scheduling an
opponent. The Opponents will be on National TV simply by playing BYU.Did you realize that even Comcast, which owns half the Mountain, never offered
the mtn. on it's National Footprint?Also, BYU's ESPN deal will be
even better, because, ESPN won't have to haul their own trucks, HD station etc,
just merely walk accross the street, to East of the Marriott Center.It's all here, just book your Tickets, Herbstreit, and the boys, we've got you
covered.As for other sports...The WCC has a higher RPI than does the
MWC. The Womem's soccer is rated higher, and the WCC already has an ESPN
contract.BYU already plays in the MPAC, Womens softball will find a
home.Again, Exposure Baby.The ability to see BYU Sports
again. The shackles are finally off.Free at last, Free
No big secret that football rules the roost and all other sports, well good
I really like this move. Financially it makes A LOT of sense. The
WCC sports are far better than the MWC or WAC. (Basketball, Women's Soccer- two
good $$ makers). BYU can schedule like Florida, etc. (8 home games
a year) and we can actually watch the games on ESPN and HD. Honestly, the few
games I ever saw on the MTN were TERRIBLE at best. Like a high school TV
station.Finally, who is the biggest LOSER here? Craig Thompson &
the MWC. Your conference just lost its biggest schools- the cornerstone of the
conference. Craig tried to play hard ball with BYU- and while he made it
inconvenient, he just burned bridges.The other losers- sad to say
UTAH STATE and BOISE STATE. Good luck trying to see Boise play a game. And
with the high tv quality you won't be able to tell the difference between smurf
turf and the other team. Also, now that they added Fresno & Nevada- that 1.2
million dollar tv split now became $1mil.
It appears Weber State is in a better conference than BYU now. Sure, I know
some of you will say Gonzaga and St. Mary's for Mens BB, outside of that
nothing--and you will be in high school-sized gyms in a liberal and Catholic
majority conference--I don't hink they will cater to you like the MWC did. BYU football will have to deal with the other team's conference
officials, trying to put together a schedule (good luck getting any MWC teams to
play you, and I don't think the PAC-10 will want to play you either), and the
recruiting will suffer, especially for the other sports in the WCC. Sure, you
will get money, but your football team will fall into mediocrity and have
absolutely no chance at the BCS bowl games. This could be the beginning of the
end for athletics at BYU.It came down to BYU swallowing their pride
and doing the wise thing, and they failed miserably. You'll be begging the MWC
for membership in 5 years or so, or the Big Sky (better facilities than WCC).Pride goeth before the fall! BYU is in freefall, YEAH!
BYU's 2011 schedule:Game 1: Applachian State (stunning loss at home
like Michigan)Game 2: Tennessee Tech (not the real Tennesse but a good
home win)Game 3: Weber State (it's always good to pound Ron McBride)Game 4: Utah State (The Aggies will forgive us for a home conference Friday
game)Game 5: Idaho (This is no Big Sky team, but they aren't Boise State
either)Game 6: Hawaii (will travel to the Island to get extra game on the
schedule???)Game 7: New Mexico State (reunited with old secondary
coach)Game 8: San Jose State (we start to think we should have just went
to the WAC but Bay area is nice in late October)Game 10: UTEP (Mike Price
is still there right?)Game 11: SUU (the tour of Utah is complete, well no
chance SUU get on the charter bus and get up to Provo)Game 12: Utah (if
BYU is lucky--Utah is a mediocre PAC-12 team and BYU is 11-1 (gosh darn
Appalachian State!)Game 13: Conference Championship game but wait...oh
no!Game 14: Rematch with Idaho in the Humanitarian Bowl!
Dear Ute-Homers/BYU bashers;Keep all your comments coming, the more
we hear them, the more jealous it makes you sound...joining the PAC10 was never
going to happen, and thanks to Nevada and FSU, neither is joining WAC going to
happen. Tell me something, for the past 2 years, what has the PAC10 done in
B-Ball? The WCC w/ Gonzaga and St. Mary's made it into the tourney, and the
PAC10 also had 2 team if I remember right...as for staying the in the MWC, now
that Nevada and Fresno has come to the table, your so-called TV $'s just got
smaller. Why would BYU have even considered staying in that loser
conference...HECK NO! Keep you jealous babbling going when your big brother to
the south rake-it-in to the tune of $10-15 million starting next years...your
PAC10 arrangement won't be kicking in for another 2 years. With BYU's Football
program returning most of their starters from this years inexperienced squad,
bets are that a 10-12 win finish next year, could be a very attractive
proposition for the BIG12 to consider for expansion...stuff
The more I think about it....the more I like it. Football will be
fine....better even.. and playing basketball in the WCC does seem to make sense.
Private religious institutions...they are pretty good teams....plus no more
Mountain West Conference basketball tournament on UNLV's home court!
My immediate reaction is along the lines of "what about Utah State University?"
Lets see Utah a school that was 9th or 10th on the slection list of the PAC to
help it form a 12 team conferance. This PAC decision was made because Utah will
draw in a huge national audiance on saturday when they share the billing with
the SC's and the Stanfords of the conferance. This Utah team that
left the MWC not for the 15 million in T.V. revenue but because it had a higher
calling of virtue and integrity. Let us not forget that the PAC for years has
secretly wanted the mighty Utes as a part of the PAC.Yes sir
Ute fan you are a fan of the only University in the USA, oh heck the world, no
the galaxy that didn't leave there current conferance for the benjamin's.Hey psst the tooth fair is real !"POLY" Cougar Nation
Did BYU just take the target off of Utah's back regarding leaving the
MWC...actually likely killing the MWC? Could be - if so thanks!Go
Utah to the Pac10BYU to the WCCDoes anything else need to be
I agree with this being a gutsy move. It's big business. Good luck BYU!
(really)Oh Yeah - GO UTES!
I know everyone wants to only talk about American football, but I'm excited for
the impact on BYU's soccer teams...The West Coast Conference has
men's soccer. Hopefully this will encourage BYU to put their men's soccer team
in NCAA competition.Women's soccer is very strong in the WCC. I
think Portland and Santa Clara are traditional powers.
Huge props go out to the MWC for not backing down to the thug like actions of
the tds.We all know for the past 2 weeks Holmoe was attempting to
shake down the MWC conference in allowing them to be indy in football and still
remain in all other sports.The MWC was smart to send the high
maintenance drama queens packing. Let's hope all MWC teams use their leverage
now and never schedule the tds.
Possibly the worst decision made in NCAA Sports history... Fan interest in every
sport but football has just fallen through the basement.... You think that it
was tough recruiting talent in B-Ball and Baseball up till now... Just wait...
The Marriott center will sound like a cultural hall on a slow ward mutual
night.Tom Holmoe really needs to be fired.
Congratulations BYU. It's the right move.
December 31, 2010:Announcement:BYU joins the Big 12.Mark my
Utah Utes 1:You haven't convinced me that BYU 'threw USU under the
bus'. USU took a principled stand, but I'm not sure what BYU could subsequently
have done to make it better. Perhaps leaving the MWC will actually open up a
slot there for USU, as the MWC may still want some entry point into the Utah
re: Banzai | 7:04 p.m. Aug. 31, 2010 "Yewts are bitter that BYU has
upstaged them again."How?Get back to me in 2 or 3 yrs if
(not when) BYU can fill out a full 12 game football schedule where they don't
have to beg to do so. The Utes should occasionally play the Aggies
for the sake of tradition and let the rivalry w/ the Y go the way of the dodo.
p.s. Can we stop the whining about the Mtn TV deal? the MWC had a
decent deal w/ ESPN but the entire league outsmarted themsleves because they
thought they could get better exposure elsewhere. I think there is
lessen to be leearned in that?
Free at last, free at last!!!!
Let's look at the Aggravating and Mitigating circumstances.Aggravating (Negatives)...NoneMitigating (Positives)1-BYU now sheds the "Non-AQ Stigma". Regardless of the criteria,
for an Automatic bid, the "Stigma" is gone. Just as Notre Dame, Navy and Army,
now have.Yes Yes, BYU is not Notre Dame, but somewhere in between
Navy and Notre Dame.2-BYU does not have to do business with
scoundrels. Thompson, Nevada, and Fresno.3-Literally, "EVERY
GAME" all sports, will be able to be seen on NATIONAL TV, every week.4-They can cut Their Own TV contracts with ESPN, Local TV, and their own
Network. (Estimates are at 10-12 million annually)This
will exceed anything the mid to lower teams will share in the Pac-12, namely
Utah and Washington St.5-Scheduling ? No Problem.ANNUAL
Home/Homes withNotre Dame.. (they're already discussing it
on their boards)ArmyNavy Air ForceUtahUtah
StateBoise St.BIG NAME Home/Homes...This is where ESPN comes
in.2-3 per yearTexas...Texas
Home/HomesUNLV, SDSU, CSU, WyomingCan Utah tell
recruits, every game will be National?
I sure hope this all works out... Can't wait for the press conference tomorrow!
Aggie74. Let's get this straight, I didn't say I would eat crow, I said I
thought you would eat crow after your comments about the Aggie demise. I did
think that something would work out with BYU going too the WAC. However, it's
not over, and the Aggies and WAC have some time. There are still 2 seasons left
with 8 teams. A lot can happen in that time. So you may still end up eating
crow.And by the way, you still sound so negative and hostile. Did
you want me to arrange for some of that medicine?
Muss ManNot sure why any Ute fan would be concerned with what BYU
will be doing in 2011.I look forward to seeing the 2011 football
schedule. I like the timing of this move. 2011, 2012 look to be good years for
the football team. If they put a reasonable schedule together, they will be
exciting years. Pending litigation (Fresno and Nevada will protest), the 2011
schedule may prove to be the previously proposed WAC schedule. That will provide
an adequate strength of schedule with some marketable games. A good
money/exposure game is coming up with Texas. I will be happy to drop my Direct
Those BYU folk are hilarious. Independence? WCC? Pure comedy.
I believe you can thank Mr. Thompson of the MWC for the way things have turned
out. BYU would have went with the WAC if Nevada and Fresno ST. was not invited
to the MWC to keep BYU there. I hope BYU and USU keep playing football each year
and I believe they will. Maybe Mr. Thompson will show some integrity and help
USU get in the MWC. If he still has a job that is.
Rise and Shout the Cougars are OUT...of the poorly manages MWC! Yeah Baby. I
am so pleased with this decision. BYU has been carrying the WAC and MWC
forever, including the UTES. For those with short memories and shorter...Utah
has only had a decent football team since 2004. BYU has been great for 40
years. Rise and Shout baby!
sorry they will not do away with the other sports not in the WCC
@Aggie84: Can you really be any more dumb? You just don't know BYU! Their
"mission" is not sports, it is exposure for the Church. Sports is a means to
obtain the goal. Any and every school will do what is best for their school and
their mission. Don't blame BYU because USU doesn't have a mission or a football
From what I heard amongst the track office at byu is the other sports will join
another conference...first choice being the big 12 then conf. usa....or wherever
they can find a home but they will do away with the other sports not in the
WCC....all around its gonna be pretty cool...the WCC has some great b-ball
schools, womens soccer is nationally ranked, cross country, a few good baseball
teams, etc,.....and with byu tv all other sports besides track will get exposure
such as track....byu brings alot to the wcc too....no one tells byu what to do
and with the added tv revenue from our own football tv contract will be able to
do alot more....and i hear pres. monson thought highly of it....byu sports is
suppose to be a huge part in spreading the lds faith and bringing exposure to
the church....i heard the meeting ended with him saying "now go out an
win!"....it really should be pretty cool
Everybody keeps talking about "other sports" but how many of the "talkers" ever
went to see an "other sports" event? Maybe 10%? Independence from a dying league
and more exposure--it's all worth it!
RE Ute fanThank you for all your love and support you have made all
who know you better and full of compassion and admiration toward all you stand
for in the world of sport and life. No one can hold a candle to your delightful
and humor filled snippets and playful back yard yucking it up good fun.You have a vast array of endless analogies that simply knock ones socks right
off. You need to find away to Hollywood and become a profesional comedy act. Oh
gally gosh you regular Jerry Lewis you."POLY" Cougar NationIMUA Cougars
So Let me see if I understand this.BYU is willing to sacrifice the other
(non-revenue) sports programs that have been more successful than a football
program at winning national championships, than there football program who has
never made it to the BCS bowl game or won a major bowl game in the last 10
years. Yet they justify their decision by saying that they are joining other
religious schools that do not play football there by creating the argument that
there football team has to go independent to even play. They have treated both
the WAC and the Mountain West conference with so much distain that as a church
member it is embarrassing, yet they say that their sports program is a
missionary program. Finally they have worked out a deal with ESPN to integrate
their television network with BYU, but ESPN greatest source of revenue is from
beer commercials. You know what this really amounts to is UTAH envy!
Frankly it makes me laugh, now BYU can go 12 and 0 and no one will
Don't like it. It'll be better than going 6-6 like Utah will in the WEAK-12
conference, but it's going backwards into getting national recognition for
football. For basketball it'll be better, only half the MWC is ever good (BYU,
UNLV< SDSU, NM) and it's embarrassing to play Utah in b-ball these days.BYU is going backwards in their decision making skills and forwards with
nonsense skills. Time to get some real decision makers (please get rid of Robert
Anai first....waste of money).
I love the move. Good work Cecil and Tom. We are closer to where we want to
be, the only problem is that U fans don't understand where we want to be.
to shaun 60 million do not watch BYU like people think. There channel is
available to 60 million homes which is not the same as having 60 million
viewers.the reason 60 million do not watch is because byu is stuck
on a terrible channel that no one can watch. now that byu will be able to show
their games, there is a greater likelyhood ofmost of those 60 million tuning in.
I absolutely love it! All those sports can continue to exist - effectively as
independents - or join other "specialty" conferences. Happens all the time. I
can't tell if the "oh, noooooo" crowd here is Ute trolls or myopic Utahns
(citizens - not Utes). BYU has very much in common with ND, Navy, and Army as it
relates to a national draw. I look for an ESPN joint announcement Wednesday that
includes another home&home or two. GO COUGS!
The BCS era is all about moving the national meter. BYU as an independant can
only do this if they schedule at least 8 BCS conference teams with 4 of them
being top 25 teams and 2 of those top 15 teams. If they schedule half their
games with WAC or MWC teams going independant will mean nothing. BYU has made
the best of all the worst decisions left for it and we should all wish them
well. I hope they make the most of it but if they have a schedule like their
current schedule for next year they will accomplish nothing no matter where they
are on TV. You must move the national meter almost every week to be relevant
and playing Baylor, Vanderbilt, Indiana or Rutgers is more important than
playing Wyoming, Fresno, SDSU and New Mexico. Why, because comparisons can be
drawn with who they play and you can be placed. I am glad that BYU finally
realized that winning a non-AQ championship means nothing in this age. Good
Luck. At least now you are acting instead of being acted upon.
The BCS teams did whatever they could to improve their situation. As did Utah,
Fresno State, Nevada and now BYU. BYU will jump to the BCS in a second if
invited and not give a second thought to the teams still left behind. I guess in
hindsight I just wish we hadn't lead the pitty party about the BCS. It wasn't
about fairness. It was that we weren't included.
Aggie84 | 6:51 p.m. Aug. 31, 2010 "BYU's legacy about thinking only
of themselves continues on. Integrity, committment, nope just money and
recognition. Sad day indeed."The sad day was last week when BYU
threw USU under the bus in the name of "exploring their options" and "doing
what's best for BYU."
I notice the posts from BYU fans getting more and more positive as I read down
the board. Predictions are getting bolder and bolder as more fans join the
fray. This reminds me of listening to BYU fans at church. The
longer the conversation and the more people involved, the predictions become
larger than life. An interesting phenomenon. It will be fun to
watch it play out in the coming years.Enjoy your last year in the
RISE AND SHOUT!!! No longer shackled by the MWC's horrible TV deal!!!
Can I give a shout out to the Ute Posters.Say what you want, but BYU
did something the Utes could never have done.Ever.... Before now or
future.So what if it's a brave step? National TV is a ton better
than regional TV. They have been preparing for it for 3 years, and
their vision does not end today.Utah will dwindle away in the PAC
with every sport but football (who wants to argue that point?)...So
Ute fanzz, go kiss your arrogant butts goodbye, because the day you cut yourself
away from BYU, and the anti-zoob fanbase you foster, you have just become a
non-exisitent athletic program, and bringing in PAC loser teams will not fill
RES, and you will be giving away HC tickets to Jr. Jazz basketball games just to
record the HC half full.Truth, and Justice... Veritas Aequitas...
Truth in what I say, and Justice for two program... BYU, headed to National
Prominance and Utah, to PAC obscurity.So let the anti-zoob hate
flow, because BYU has always been the program in the state, and Utah... has not,
will not, or ever be relevant, in ANY sport... anywhere...
Yewts are bitter that BYU has upstaged them again.The biggest sport
story of the year??? BYU going independent!
Oh the life of a hater! Huh, Dave S. and the rest of you so-called Ute fans?
R.Burgundy | 6:37 p.m. Aug. 31, 2010Good Move!! BYU would still like a
BIG 12 invite (which I think will still happen) and now they can show the Big 12
how much money they can bring to the table.-----------True. Because going 3-2 in Vegas... not so impressive.
Jeff RI am pretty sure College GameDay already went to Provo. Um I
think it was last year when they played TCU.
They will be behind the most powerfull church in the world in football, as far
as the rest goes.. well it is good ok.
The reality of the situation is that BYU will be 10-2 in the very best case
scenario and won't be able to get into a bowl game of any kind. Terrible move in
terms of competition.
Haha, BYU haters showing their true colors again. They care about BYU more than
Utah. Here's a tip: cheer for your own team... don't worry about the other
team. This is where the little brother label comes from. I'm not a fan of it,
but its hard to deny after reading some ute fans comments.
The sports not included (track, swimming) will end up like Ricks/BYU-Idaho's
sports programs - non-existent. They don't bring any money or recognition into
the school anyways. I'm not a BYU fan, but I think it's a great move and will
enjoy being able to watch them on TV. I just hope that BYU TV doesn't up their
contract prices with dish/directv making it more costly for us to have the
BugoffYes, the Utes are in the PAC but few beyond the West Coast
care or watch unless they manage to get into the Rose Bowl. How relevant are the
AZ schools? ----------Let me see PAC-12 or WCC? I guarantee you that if BYU was offered the option they wouldn't take
the "less exposre" in the PAC-12.Arizona schools are probably little
more relevant then the indey schools of Navy and Army as far as winning is
concerned.BTW one way to know is if BYU got the Notre Dame or the
Navy/Army BCS exception. The question is BYU SOS, will "Notre
Dame of the West" have a stronger S0S then Boise playing in the WAC? I think
Notre Dame will play BYU annually in November but the other 6+ cupcakes will be
from conferences like CUSA.
BYU's legacy about thinking only of themselves continues on. Integrity,
committment, nope just money and recognition. Sad day indeed.
This is great news, IMHO.Going independent in football is dynamite,
letting BYU control its scheduling, broadcasting and bowl destiny. We're a
better fit with the WCC in all sports the WCC supports, especially basketball.
I'd much rather see BYU play Gonzoga and Santa Clara et al. for a tournament
berth than Wyoming and Colorado State et al.I'm sure BYU looked at
those sports like track that don't fit in the WCC and has viable options to keep
them thriving.Best of all, this means more exposure for BYU and its
BYU alum here, went to law school at U. San Diego. It is a beautiful campus --
but hard to find a parking spot amongst all the BMWs.The only
basketball game that the student body gets excited about each year is Gonzaga.
You see all the students wearing "Beat Gonzaga" t-shirts. It is a madhouse. I think that will change now... "Beat BYU" will be the new slogan each
I predicted last week and again yesterday, that Hedgie would put his tail
between his legs and go as far away as he could to find a deep enough hole to
crawl into, to eat his humble pie without being seen. Haven't seen him today.
I would be less than honest if I didn't say that I have considerable misgivings
concerning this move, the success of which might not be known for years.
However, from a risk / reward standpoint, I think it is great! It is a gutsy
move but the upside is huge!BYU should be able to continue to
attract top-notched athletes to Provo because of the competition they will play
as well as the TV exposure they will get. With the help of ESPN they should be
able to continue to land games against the top teams in the country. Now all
they have to do is win . . . Both BYU and Utah are headed into
uncharted territories next year. It will be interesting to see how it all
Hey Utes (notice I didn't say "yewts", there's a difference and if you don't
know what it is talk to Max Hall) - Thanks for the kind words of
encouragement about us going independent.Good luck against Pittsburg
Thursday!Till we meet in November...
Ha ha ha ha ha!!! I can't stop laughing about this so called brilliant move.
Hard to believe it took this long to make this move. All I can say is it's
great to be a Ute!! Holmoe should lose his job over this.
Does anyone really care where the Swimming and diving team ends up? College
sports is all about Football and hoops. Indy in Football=more money, better
exposure, opponenets and control.Basketball is in just as good or perhaps
a better conference depending on the year. Good luck Ladies track!
I think the key here is an ESPN deal. If we get one this could be great. If we
don't we will wish this thing never got out. In the end we are just hoping and
praying for a BCS conference invite but without an ESPN deal it could be a
Hear that, Cougars? It's the sound of laughter from SLC and the rest of the
To Bleed Cougar Blue - before you put us in the same sentence as Utah, Boise
State and TCU, we may need to ACTUALLY go to a BCS bowl game. Independance is
great - monetarily. If we upgrade our schedule now that we are independant, we
will be FURTHER from a BCS bowl not closer. We couldn't get there playing a MWC
Good Move!! BYU would still like a BIG 12 invite (which I think will still
happen) and now they can show the Big 12 how much money they can bring to the
table. The WCC is a way better conference in basketball and a ton better in
baseball! I like it!Stay classy!
Gutsy move Cougs. I have confidence in those who made this decision. At BYU, the
sport, whatever it may be, is a way for us to expose people to the Y and the
Church. Our mission is much different than most schools. This move will help BYU
receive much broader exposure across the country...something that couldn't
happen very often being affiliated with the MWC & the Mtn. Congrats to the Big
Dumb move. Enjoy obscurity BYU...
This move really worries me. I fear for the worst and hope for the best. I
don't think it will hurt the other sports much, but for football it is a very
high-risk, high-reward move. It also has the potential to be disastrous. Time
will tell whether or not it was a good decision.
This is the beginning of the end of BYU football.
Thia is just BYU's vote for capitalism over socialism. Let the market decide
what value is in a game or as team. I'm tired of calling all the different
Comcast affiliates and begging them to broadcast the game. It was pretty
obvious that everyone was happy sucking money off the top - except the one on
the top. Good riddance MWC. Now let's win it for the final season!!
Re: "1984 for life | 6:04 p.m. Aug. 31, 2010 Cougs leave Utah State
twisting in the wind."____Hey, '1984 for life', don't
you mean Utah's departure to the PAC(12), Fresno State's and Nevada's departure
to the MWC left Utah State twisting in the wind?How is it, exactly,
that what Utah, Fresno State and Nevada did was PURELY unselfish but BYU going
independent is?Go ahead, I'll check back for your answer....
I am totally in favor of football going independent. The opportunity cost of
staying in the MWC was just too high--especially in view of Utah's move to the
PAC 10. We used to be able to watch every BYU football game on
local TV (and at stake centers on the Church satellite system nationwide) before
we entered the MWC and Craig "Einstein" Thompson negotiated this Mountain
television deal. The Mtn TV channel is so insignificant that most couldn't even
watch all of the few games that were broadcast. And the quality was terrible.
Revenue wise, leaving the MWC is a no brainer. Exposure wise,
there is no comparison. BYU football is going to appear on ESPN multiple times
each year and get exposure nationwide. Same for basketball. It will go to 60
million homes when broadcast on BYUtv--all in hi-def. I am
confident that BYU will find a home for all of its sports, which will also be
broadcast more often than now. The worst possible thing would have
been to say put. Yes, there will be challenges, but the upside is huge. Thanks
to BYU for having the guts to make this move.
It's disappointing. I mean when we were in the WAC we were playing these crappy
teams and we were getting zero respect from the college football world. It's
that situation all over again. On top of that, the church and BYUtv has zero
interest in any sports programming. Can you imagine you have invited ten
friends over, you've got your BYU gear on, you've got your pizza and beverages,
it's kickoff time for BYU - Texas and daaaang!!!!! the football game is
pre-empted by last weeks BYU devotional re-run.
This is a bad move for BYU. The MWC would of still been a solid conference with
out Utah. Plus 60 million do not watch BYU like people think. There channel is
available to 60 million homes which is not the same as having 60 million
Gutsy or risky? Going to the WAC in other sports was a small step down. I think
the WCC is a big step down. Plus, BYU now has to play teams it has NO history
with. At least in the WAC, most of the teams there are teams BYU has played
regularly.How will this affect recruiting in basketball and other
sports? And if those sports go downhill, how could that affect football? And who
will BYU be scheduling in football? I suspect a lot of MWC teams will look the
other way if BYU comes calling now.Lots of questions.
I just love it when Ute fans pretend that BYU's football independence is
inferior to their invitation to the PAC. Sure, Utah will split a much more
generous pot-o-gold, but BYU will not have to split their gold at all. BYU will
be playing the big boys from multiple AQ conferences, not just a bunch of weak
sisters from the PAC-1.I was excited to see Utah escape the MWC and
the MTN. I am excited to see what Utah can do in the PAC. I hope they represent
our state by dominating the PAC in football. It would be swell if Ute fans
could reciprocate by wishing the Cougars well in their departure from the MWC
and the MTN.Go Utes! Go Cougs!
The 2011 schedule will be a fun one to watch. Jake heaps and nelson having a
good year of experiance along with a strong offensive line and experianced
defense will be a good year. This is what needed to happen for BYU. The west
coast conference will be a good conference for basketball. Half the other sports
were in different conferences, so there will be hardly any change there. We will
be able to add those other sports because most of them dont have the traditional
11 conferences. Great move and i cant wait to see them on ESPN again and be rid
of Todd Christianson's horrible commentary. Cant wait to actually see college
game day come to provo and be able to see the game on ESPN! Great job BYU for
doing what is best. Gonzaga is going to get lost in the Marriot Center where it
seats 3 times as much as its enrollment!
Good move for BYU. The WCC is a step up from the MWC academically, and is also
a solid basketball, baseball, soccer, and volleyball conference.
There is no question that BYU will get more money out of this deal, the ability
to televise any games or sports that it wants to, and the exposure it desired.
I hope it works out.
Wow. They finally pulled the trigger. Question is, did they get a bullseye or
shoot themselves in the foot.Only time will tell.Should
be interesting.One thing I think we can say, the move probably seals
the deal with continuing the rivalry games with Utah and USU, at least in
football and basketball.Good luck.
I do think the MWC would have achieved BCS status if Utah and BYU stuck around.
With BYU, Utah, TCU and Boise State it probably would have taken no more than 2
more years at best. That's a tough lineup to ignore for even the BCS snobs.But Utah bailed on the MWC (and yewties likely will ignore their own
selfishness and say BYU is acting like selfish 5th graders) and that put BCS
automatic-qual status for the MWC further away, more than BYU wanted to wait, I
Boise State wanted a bigger pond to swim in. Utah, TCU and BYU dreamed of being
invited to the PAC or Big12. It happened for Utah, and good for them. TCU and
BYU were left sitting in a weak spot, now just TCU. If TCU is invited to the
Big12, they are gone about 10 seconds later.For BYU this makes
sense. The MWC is great in many ways though for the money maker football can do
better for the athletic dept as a whole. BYU will generally win 8-12 games a
year and receive a bowl invite every year, just like Norte Dame. BYU will also
have great regional exposure and should do much better than the cruddy Mntn
cable program.This will be fun to watch!
Good stuff.The days of insensitivity for the no-play on Sunday policy ends
now that the Y joins other faith-based schools who, while they might play on the
Sabbath, will respect LDS standards.To those who consider the WCC less
visable than the WAC, that is only true in the intermountain west. To the rest
of us this is a huge upgrade.The silly Utah fans who can't resist name
calling and putting down all things BYU, outside your narrow world are many,
many true college sports fans who pull for the Utes and the Cougars throughout
the year and then support their respective favorite when the two schools
play.Give it a try. Each schools individual success enhances the standing
of the winner of Utah vs. BYU contests!
The other non premier sports at byu don't have to worry at all. That is a common
situation for teams all over the ncaa. mens volleyball and soccer and rugby
already don't compete in the mwc but all very successful at the highest level.
well not soccer but the other two sure. then you have teams like boise's
wrestling and there are other examples. so don't worry. then as far as the teams
that will compete in the wcc it is a step up in competition for the most part.
BBall does take a slight hit, instead of playing three good in conference teams
you play two, but they can still schedule more non conference now and they can
do that how they want. all in all this is a good decision for all of BYU
@ MapleDonReverse your statements (rhetorical questions) about
nearly everything you just posted...and then you'll understand why BYU went
independent.What a troll!...to take the very reasons BYU is going
independent and consider them as the folly of going independent. Are
you following this story at all?It IS money and exposure.BYU has been held down as the teller in the MWC who brought in the dough to
make the MWC bank profitable and has now decided to become an entrepreneur with
the likelihood of making a fortune. How's that analogy working for
For us in SoCal, YES to being INDY and you'll see us at the "other" sport venues
cheering on the COUGS. We will miss the COX arena for our annual BYU vs SDSU
Basketball game. SDSU has always brought to the court, great teams to play.
Wow. They're taking the leap. I like it. Good luck Cougars. I hope you land
on your feet. Go Utes!!!
Lots of idiotic knee jerk reactions here. Why not wait until the press
conference tomorrow. Bet lots more information comes out then.
May not be the best deal but this is not the end game. BYU will have to work
hard but there are many schools who will want to play BYU for the exposure that
BYU will bring, this will not only be about BYU. Sure, we may drop a bit but in
the end we will be stronger. All other sports will be just fine, I am sure BYU
looked to ensure everyone got a fair shake in this. Sure Utah won getting into
the PAC-10 and an auto bid to BCS but BYU will end up better off exposure wise
which will help BYU recruiting. Some think that BCS status is better than
exposure but ask an athlete which is better when wanting to play in the NFL
where it really matters. Why do you think so many athletes want to play at Notre
Dame. If they can get a coach who can make all that talent work, Notre Dame will
be awesome. Same thing will happen for BYU.
So what's the plan for BYU's track team? That's a fairly strong draw with a
decent amount of national prestiege. Not the cream of the crop, mind you, but
no slouch, either.I hope they don't cancel it.Can they
compete anywhere else?
Great move! Doing a little more digging - all the "non-football" sports are well
taken care of. It's amazing how many already don't actually compete in the MWC -
they are in other leagues.
Hmmm....GLAD to hear we went independent in football!The
WCC for the other sports?Seems to me we're pretty much going to beat
up on the other WCC teams. Not sure if this will give BYU the exposure it
wanted in other sports or not (though w/o a doubt football was the 500 lb
gorilla in it's sports arsenal).The WAC would have been a better
option for the non-football sports but Fresno State and Nevada messed that
up.All I can say is the MWC is the creator of their own demise in
this one.GO COUGARS!
Hey PANAMADESNEWS and HUMM??-I am just wondering, how do you two gentlemen like
your "CROW"????? Do you like it with or without the feathers-with or without the
guts-barbaqued, baked, fried, whatever. Make sure you blog your contact
information and I can put that little black winged varment in a box and get it
right out to the both of you. On last thing, here's a tip of the hat to BYU,
Craig Thompson, FSU and UNR-you guys really did a great job of playing Stan
Albrecht and Scott Barns for what they are-complete idiots. There is little
argument now-Aggie athletics is officially on the slow road to obscurity!!!!!!
This is just a small stepping stone to the bigger picture.
Cougs leave Utah State twisting in the wind.
Dear Rob Sing, Your lack of spelling ability is only insulting to
the U of U English Department.Sincerely,The Cougs
Very interesting to watch this develop. I am happy to be a Utah fan and have a
little less volatility in the future, but as a casual spectator this will
certainly be an interesting experiment. Good luck BYU!I do feel bad
for all the kids in the other sports; true, they are getting a college
edumacation, but I just don't see the WCC as anything to get too excited about.
Perhaps this will pan out as a move to allow the Y to fish for a bigger pond,
ultimately landing all of their sports in a legitimate conference.At
least football season is finally here so we'll have some real stuff to talk
Who's the genius who came up with this idea? Sounds like another BYU coed joke
to me.Isn't this like leaving an investment banking job to become a
teller? Sure, the hours are better, but the pay...If the objective
is to make yourself marketable for more money, you'll network with a more
professional crowd. This is a big step back.Then again, I don't know
if the school had any other choice. After the info about its plans leaked and
Thompson desimated the WAC, the rest of the conference appeared glad to be rid
of the Cougs. It would have been bad blood going forward.Who's the
genius behind this? He's got some explaining to do.
Hope history repeats itself. USU wanted to be in WAC and wasn't allowed until
the U and y left. With the y's departure hope the Aggies land in the MWC.Go Big Blue!!!
I'm not a BYU fan but I would assume that all the teams were considered in this
decision and those in charge know what they are doing. Track does not need
conference affiliation, and although it wasn't mentioned gymnastics already
competes as an independent. As prominent as the softball team is, they won't
have any trouble scheduling games, however I am not sure if there has to be a
conference tie in for post season. Everyone needs to just chill until after the
press conference tomorrow. Those concerns hopefully will be addressed.
As anyone talked to Notre Dame about being their main rival? I hope so.Could we have as a set rivaly each year, as our core games, like the
following. BYU vs. Notre Dame TCU SMU Baylor Utah Army Navy
Air Forceand for the other four games,choose the weakest seller
dwellers of the 6 major BCS Conferences, i.e. Washington State intead of the top
of the non BCS conferences i.e. Boise State.
Instead ignore the reality that the only successful independents: Norte Dame,
Army and Navy are unique and you are not; tell yourself and your minions that
making ESPN your sugar daddy is OK because you have higher values and hopefully
greater exposure on Wednesday and Thursday nights. Go from having 6 WAC patsies
on your schedule every year to now having to fill your dance card with schools
from the two conferences you have just jilted in one way or another! Hope your
promise of a big payday will sooth your other indiscretions and that you can buy
your way to a schedule that still will not qualify you for a BCS bowl - the gold
standard of college football in the 21st century. And Y-ners think this is a
great deal? Unbelievable!
After the embarrassment of the last two weeks, where Ybu was caught with other
girls (the WAC) on their quick dial and having the chutzpah to demand of those
ladies a commitment that they were exempt from...what else could the powers in
Happy Valley do? Go back to their jilted partners in the MWC, embrace
Commissioner Thompson and tell him that promising the two best girls in the WAC
dances a place on his card was OK with you when it spoiled your secret plans and
swallow your pride? Hardly!
Wow...it's true and BYU even gets some competition now in BB...which Utah did
not provide...poor Hedgehog, his prediction did not come true...enjoy being a
bottom dweller in the Pac12...we will think of you from time to time...excuse me
now as BYU begins to soar.
This a very important step forward. Not going with the WAC causes BYU to
schedule more Eastern, Mid Western and Southern teams. It gets them out of the
Intermountain/West Coast rut and gives them the national exposure they need. Chill out on the other sports. Beyond what is offered by the WCC most of
them do not need a conference. The few that do will get a decent home. Being on
international TV to 60 million homes insures they are welcome and have options.
This is a tremendous boost to BYU's recruiting across all sports.
They will have to travel more but that is worth it for the exposure. Yes, the Utes are in the PAC but few beyond the West Coast care or watch
unless they manage to get into the Rose Bowl. How relevant are the AZ schools?
BYU will become relevant across several conferences. They bring
national TV exposure with them. No other school is going to have national
coverage for all of their games except ND. No other school in basketball or
minor sports is going to have national coverage for every game. This
has been a long time coming. Way to go.
BYU on BYUTV is awesome, but other than that I am still a true Ute fan, which
you know what that means. @Sportswriter - WCC is good at other
sports, especially basketball. The details will be interesting.
I don't think that the WCC is that week. There basketball is better than the
WAC. They have decent baseball programs. Much better than the WAC!
oops, since my last comment the DN updated it that they actually had made this
announcement rather than just citing "sources". My bad. And I still think it is
exciting. Good riddance Mtn Channel and Craig Thompson!
Part of me is saying whiskey-tango-foxtrot?! But it does give a landing for the
other sports. I would presume that swimming and diving will join the MPSF (like
Men's Volleyball), where swimming and diving is starting up next year. BYU is
strong in track and softball, so hopefully they will find a place to land.
Without a conference, they will shrivel. WCC has six men's and seven women's
sports, so that is 13 total. Club sports will not be affected. You
are right RobSing. PAC-10 is a way bigger deal, but that bus is not coming to
It is more than just "sources" who say this. There is an official announcement
on the official BYU Athletics website. A press conference will be held tomorrow
at noon. Also, most sports are around the same competitive level in
the WCC as the MWC. Most of the sports that will not have a home in the WCC
either already have another league affiliation (such as Men's Volleyball) or are
easy sports to be independent in (such as track). I think this will actually
end up being better for most sports. Basketball will take a small hit, but not a
huge hit by any means, especially if they can get a good nonconference schedule
each year. They should be able to win the conference many years, and most of the
others get an at large bid. Finnally, to RobSing, BYU has been
planning this or a similar move for years. The only thing the Ute's move to the
PAC 12 did was MAYBE speed it up a little. Overall, this is pretty
exciting for me as a Cougar fan.
Still waiting for the official word. Doesn't seem like a good choice for BYU,
less exposure for their other sports, all for the gridiron glory. Sad.
I'm glad they're going independent. But please tell me that the football teams
at least has an agreement to play Utah State annually. I think both teams would
benefit from an arrangement like that. (1 less team to schedule each year for
BYU and some good competition for Utah State.)Good Luck BYU on your
new endeavor. I'm anxious to hear the rest of the details to come.
First off - Congratulation BYU. I implore everyone to get rid of Comcast
because they are evil. I know for the other sports they are playing
in the WCC, but in Football they will still play 3 or 4 games a year in the WAC.
The money the WAC teams will make playing BYU is still goodWill
Mountain West Teams want to play BYU. BYU had Boise State scheduled for 4 years
- but I think it went away when Boise joined MWCThey will have to
fill out 6 more games. do they go with tough or easy games?Tough
GamesNotra Dame - Independent teamNavy/Army - IndpendenWashington another PAC10 School who played coach played at BYU.Another
Big 12 Team - Because BYU really wants to go the that conference - Oklahoma
StateGood MWC team - Boise State, TCUThis is what I am most
interested in:How will BYU 2011 Schedule play outUtahUtah
State HawaiiSan Jose State Louisiana Tech TexasOregon StateNotra DameOklahoma StateWashingtonNavy Boise StateWeber State
Reading the SL Trib I can't tell if BYU fans are more excited about going to the
WCC or leaving the MWC. Anyway...here's my congratulations. USU paid a heavy price in this scheme but hey, BYU did what was best for
themselves and that's all that matters.
I think this is a very good move for BYU. The WCC is a step up academically,
and is a solid basketball, baseball, soccer, and volleyball conference. The MWC
will never be an AQ conference, and TCU will be the next to leave.
I'm sure the other sports can find a home. Right now men's volleyball isn't
played in the MWC right now.
I understand all track fans will be disapointed. However, we will all get over
it. YES! Great for the Football and Basketball programs. No more VEGAS MWC
In the near future please remember it was not the University of Utah going to
the PAC-10 (12) that is responsible for this. It is the Y's reaction to the
Utes leaving that led to this decision!!!! Good Luck - to all your athletic
The QUEST is Complete!!!!
I heard that the west coast conference got a one and one with the ute conference
next year. Is that correct???!
We will not sacrifice track and softball, plus we still have mens volleyball. I
am sure they will figure somethig out for those sports. Track is too important
for BYU to just abandon
I think this is great, I'm excited to see how this will all pan out. The WCC is
pretty good in basketball and so that should be fun to watch.Like most
reporters are saying, this should be a short term thing.
Asinine!! Going independent in football is one thing, but what's up with
affiliating with a weak, unknown conference that only plays six other sports,
when BYU has 19 superior non-football sports? Someone please explain why this
was the best option. There must be something further about this horrendous
decision/rumor! The MWC was an excellent conference for those other sports,
since the conference in largely in BYU's geographic area and actually sponsors
more than six non-football sports. What the ____?
Couldn't let the "bigger brother" in utah, show them up! unfortunately for the
koogs, Utah going to the Pac 10 is still a WAY BIGGER deal!! nice
try though koogs!
The sooner Todd Christensen and the mtn are not on my TV the better! Now go and
Track is one of BYU's most successful programs -- and a sport in which
conference championships and/or conference affiliation is unnecessary to compete
in NCAA regionals and NCAA Championships. (Unlike the bane of college sports,
I'm fine with BYU football declaring their independence. I like that move. I was
OK with the rest of the sports joining the WAC, but not too excited about the
WCC as a whole. On a personal side, I live in San Diego, so I'll love to still
have the Y come and play University of San Diego, a FAR better sports program
than SDSwho their baseball team is routinely nationally ranked)! Eithe way,
message to Thompson and the MWC: Bye, bye to any chance of becoming an automatic
BCS qualifying conference. BTW-- Thank you SDSU, UNLV, Wyoming, Colrado State
and New Mexico for doing your part to keep the MWC from getting to BCS status!!
I like the WCC - some of the other sports need a home though, especially track!
I still think there are enough quality teams in the WAC, MWC and
C-USA to bolt and form a conference worthy of the AQ - none can do it with the
bottom-feeders in each conference ....mathematically impossible (or at least
improbable). Maybe going independent will buy BYU time and allow them to see how
valuable their "assets" are in terms of revenue generation. That is critical in
any negotiations with other conferences. Right now it is not proven what they
can generate in cash.
More rumors...when BYU announces it...I will believe it...here's hoping it is
true...also, I hope Utah State goes into the MTW.
Well, ready or not...Guess my two year subscription to the mnt was
perhaps not my best investment. Go cougs, light it up!!!
If this is true...congrats to BYU, it won't be easy but in the long run will
work out just fine. I cannot wait to be able to see all Cougar sports up here
in Canada...PS Tom, I'd pay good money for real time access to BYU sports
events!!!! ...and I'm sure I'm not alone.
Gutsy move. I hope they can find a home for the other sports and don't hurt the
basketball program too much. Some of those schools have smaller gyms than the
ones freshman will be coming from. Not that the MWC was much of a recruiting
draw. Get two wins in the tourney this year.At least the football
team will be on channels that people have and want to watch. Not to mention the
money BYU football generates will stay at BYU instead of going to schools that
very few people care about. Sorry Wyoming,UNM, etc, you don't deserve to share
the revenue equally when you bring next to nothing.Now go out and
get more teams like Texas to come to LES!!!
It's already official.
I'm fine with BYU football declaring their independence. I like that move. I
was OK with the rest of the sports joining the WAC, but not too excited about
the WCC as a whole. On a personal side, I live in San Diego, so I'll love to
still have the Y come and play University of San Diego, a FAR better sports
program than SDSwho their baseball team is routinely nationally ranked)! Eithe
way, message to Thompson and the MWC: Bye, bye to any chance of becoming an
automatic BCS qualifying conference. BTW-- Thank you SDSU, UNLV, Wyoming,
Colrado State and New Mexico for doing your part to keep the MWC from getting to
Hold the phone ... Gonzaga and St. Mary's were just invited to join the Mountain
West Conference. I'm sure it's just a coincidence.
Is anyone driving the bus? This is a disaster.
I guess you have to take two steps back to take one step forward? :)
This is too funny to comprehend, the WCC is the answer, really? Good thing BYU
doesn't care at all about the sports that are getting the ax:)Rise
and Shout, we waited all of this time to hear this? WCC? What?
It is like trying to sell your company and finding out that no buyers want you.
Who knew that those people at the mtn. with their cardboard stage could be so
crafty? To be a member of the church and watch the cultural
zoobieness of how this went down was embarrassing. Glad to see it over.
So what is going to happen to swimming/diving, etc...?
I don't like it. The Mountain West would have been a BCS conference. I sure hope
this falls through like the WAC did.
I'm not a BYU fan, but this doesn't make sense. What about track, etc. They
just going to do away with those sports? It would have been better to join the
Wac and work to get other teams involved within at least the 2 years left of the
Much better choice than the WAC. I like it. Gonzaga and BYU in Basketball.
That will be good stuff.
Dear Craig Thompson MWC Commissioner:This move by BYU largely due to
the TV deal you made. I hope the MWC school presidents hold you accountable for
NYS's departure. Enjoy Fresno and Nevada.ps. Nobody is buying your
story about the invitation to Fresno and Nevada having nothing to do with BYU.
It would be great if they actually do this. The football team can definitly
compete independently, and the WCC is a good fit for school and its values.
Can't wait for the official announcement. It will get very interesting to see
what MWC responds with in their counter attack.
Wow. It's exciting, but at what cost? What's going to happen to the sports that
the WCC doesn't sponsor? Exposure is important, but sacrificing some sports for
others is a little bit sketchy.