Utah Utes1 | 9:04 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010"They do? Hmmmmm...Whatever you
say.How about this one...'BYU - Quest for Attention.'"I'd say yes they do...as evidenced by the number of Ute followers (including
yourself) on most of the BYU articles.I know it's hard for some of the
folks on the hill to believe, but despite the success in recent years by the
Utes, BYU still garners more attention. The funny thing is BYU doesn't
necessarily ask for it (or have a "quest" for it as you suggest), but it's
obvious the readers/viewers demand it.
This is a story about the University of Utah basketball hidden in the stories
about BYU going independent.You can't find it under Utah, only BYU.Sorensen, are you afraid to show this to the Utah fans, or is this the
best place you think they have a shot to see it at?
@Max-was-right i.e. "Hate"Thanks for your "mid-major" hate-filled
comments. You're living true to your name.
"After having 12 non-conference games televised over the past two years, Utah
has exactly zero games on the docket this year. Is that retribution for the
Utes' decision to leave the MWC behind and join the Pac-10 next year?"===You ask "why not"? I ask "why" would they...Could
it be that the Utes had a lousy team that got worse with players bolting Boylen?
Not even an NIT, or a CBI invite, and you want that product taking valuable
airtime? Gee, I hope the opportunity to get knocked around by the PAC was worth
it. The U couldn't even take SWBU at home...The Utes are the PAC
best kept secret, with Larry Scott's calling what they have in your crimson
colored glasses "athletic prowness", taking only one MWC title last year,
getting smoked in the Deseret Duel, and you wonder why the disrespect?Man, do you even read the tripe that you write?Now it's because
they are just so good they are going to the PAC that the MWC doesn't want to
give them a game.Look at the quality of product.Get
Tommy Connor and rebuild.Or whine...
PureOpinion | 2:36 p.m. Aug. 30, 2010 Yeah you're right, nobody is talking
about or cares if BYU is going independent or not....Except for ESPN, and
USA Today? right...===And the Sporting News which has them
under NCAAF Trending Topics at only #5...Wait, does that mean it is
the #5 story right now nationally...???????Wow, maybe someone
does care outside of Provo.I don't think even Utah going to the PAC
made it as high as #5...Wow, you BYU haters had me going for a
Come on Sorenson U homer. Utah's season opener is this week and the only thing
you can find to write about is a whiny column about how BYU is drawing all of
the attention away from your Utes? BYU shrugs a shoulder and the
entire MWC shudders. As much as the detractors like to pretend that
BYU is just like any other school in the conference, would the media really be
making this much of a fuss if any other team in the conference was rumored to be
leaving the MWC?---------------------------------btw,
BYU fansBe gentle on hedgehog.Life must be pretty
miserble for him when the only thing he knows how to do is spam BYU articles
with hatred 24/7.
One way or another, many questions will be answered by default on September 1.
Let the dust settle from that quickly and then bring on the games. What an
intriguing season that awaits!I propose we adopt the Bard's words
(that were adapted by Faulkner) to describe posts by hedgehog and his ilk when
commenting about BYU:...A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and
fury, signifying nothing....
@hegehog & UtahUtes1You blast BYU re: their "quest for attention"
and yet you rank #1 & #2 in providing that attention.Go figure.
As far as the Big 12 is concerned, TX has what it wants for right now. More
money and a lot of options. Do not be surprised if TX teams up with USC to form
a new conference out of the best TV parts of the Big12 and PAC. Also
do not be surprised if BYU goes independent but eventually forms a new
conference with help from ESPN. The members will be based on TV potential.
Inclusion will not be regions so much as TV draw.@Dutchman While I
was at Auburn they were on the academic black list. It made no difference what
so ever in football matters and very little in academic ones. Your argument is
specious. Nobody beyond a few unionized professors pay any attention
to the black list. Besides half of the professors who actually belong to the
union only do so for protection from the very Administrators you cite. There may be schools in the Big 12 that may appose BYU joining on cultural
grounds but the black list will be nothing more than convenient cover. Auburn did not get any pressure from the SEC about it and nobody kicked them
I like the comment that a true fan is arrogant because he is passionate about
his team. What is even funnier is how BYU has not made any statements to warrant
this type of attention but it is the writers who get a tidbit of information and
then blow it out of proportion just so they can fuel the fire, no news is
boring. And for those out of state, who cares what you think. This is our State
and our teams so both arrogant Utah and BYU fans are going to hash it out no
matter what happens.....of course until we never play each other except once in
a while then the flavor is taken out of it and it just won't matter anymore. So
come on BYU and Utah fans, keep it up, I love to trash it out, get fanatic and
love your team no matter what....I did notice however that hardly anyone every
comments on articles about Utah...must be that's we don't see hardly any. Oh
Yeah you're right, nobody is talking about or cares if BYU is going independent
or not....Except for ESPN, and USA Today? right...As for
national fan base, BYU far outreaches any school in the west, save USC or UCLA.
No other school in the west could pull a crowd of 20,000+ for a road game in
Texas. Look for the same results at FSU. BYU has a very large and prominent fan
base. Mostly in LDS homes.BYU is a symbol of the LDS church in college
sports. So naturally there is a large fan base there. And that fanbase is only
growing. I do not understand why U fans have to keep coming back to
put down BYU ON BYU articles. You will no longer be affiliated with BYU outside
of the rivalry game. So maybe you should move on already. I'm sure you will do
fine in the pathetically weak PAC. Enjoy
Hey Hedgehog... Did you see the small blog last week about BYU after you were
playing your playstation game, your named after until 2:00 am. Get a Life !!
Hedgy: You still don't get it! All of the hoopla about BYU is juat
that - about BYU, not BY BYU. BYU still has said nothing - nothing. Everyone
else has talked plenty, but said nothing, including you. Why don't we just wait
and see what good things happen. Guaranteed they will be good for BYU, but
guaranteed also, you and your ilk will cast a negative spin on it, no matter
what transpires. Have a good day.
As a Utah native who got a masters degree from a west coast Catholic University
let me say that I would be very surprised if BYU joins the WCC. BYU is fruit
punch and bread while the WCC is wine and cheese. With the exception of
Pepperdine, the WCC colleges and universities are very liberal. They also do not
have any problem scheduling games on Sundays. It appears that BYU and the
Mountain West have come to an impasse. BYUs only 2011 escape is the WAC
conference. The Big 10 or Big 12 may be in BYUs future, but 2011 in these
conferences is locked up for now. I may be wrong about the WCC. However, this
conference was created after USF (San Francisco) got in trouble for NCAA
recruiting violations. The Catholic clergy create the WCC to clean up the
mess big TV money had created for its west coast schools. They wanted a
separate parochial conference. BYU TV deals are a step back to the problem this
WCC conference was set up to avoid in the first place.
The HOH (Haters On the Hill) are in full force again. Kinda touchy that their
home opener is 3 days away and they don't even have any pub yet...all people
want to talk about is BYU and independence ,or BYU against Jake Locker.Ohhh, someone please talk about me....please....!
@ hedgehog. You just don't get it. You must really, really like BYU. You just
can't stay off their articles and can't stop commenting. You are really obsessed
with the BLUE. Max really was right! If you hate something you just stay away
from it as much as is possible. I hate the Ute's and don't even read any article
dealing with them, the same as many others, which is why articles about them
really don't rate.(match comments on Ute articles vs BYU articles). You keep
talking about BYU being in a mid-major and the Utes being in some kind of mega
conference, but keep forgetting that we have beat you 3 of the past 4 times, not
to even mention Bball. Poor Utes, they really think they have hit the big time.
Time will tell and we all look forward to seeing the Utes in the bottom 1/3 of
their conference of champions.
Re: hedgehog, Not only do you need a life, your unabashed bias
usually clouds your perception to the point where nothing you say is remotely
correct.For example, you state there has only been one blurb in the
midwest media about BYU, with nothing else posted. Normally, I just
ignore your comments, not worth the time. However, your comment made me
curious. Just to see how close you were to a factual basis, I googled BYU, and
the University of Utah. I then clicked the News button and sorted for the past
month. The numbers were quite revealing:The University of Utah had
just over 612 news postings. BYU had well over 4000.BTW, these
include postings from places like ESPN, CBSSports, etc., not just the
DesNews.I really don't have a point with all of this, other than I
found these numbers quite interesting when compared to your single blurb
claim.I know all you haters keep hoping that BYU will stop being
relevant, but I don't think it is going to happen.
It seems more like Hedgehog's quest for attention must overshadow all BYU
football comment boards. I still don't understand why anyone would
dedicate so much of his life on a team he deems "mid major." Kinda pathetic.
Blah, blah blah.It’s just al lot of tds “mid
major” posturering for attention — nothing will happen — mark
my words. The tds will be back in there rightful place ……”mid
majors”.But hey, pat yourself on the back. People
like you, they really,really like you ……LOL!
BYU's quest? UH, oh! Quest for Perfection 2? Yeah, it went so well the first
Hedge:None of this (especially my comment) was directed toward you
nor has anything to do with you. I was answering coyote's question. You need to
find a hobby.
hedgehog | 10:16 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010 "Buster,"quest for attention"
seems to ring more true."=== I'm sorry, I was talking about
college sports. Not HedgeHog in the Deseret News comment section.===But, if you are being serious, can you tell me how many
official statements the BYU athletic department has made over the summer.If there seems to be alot of attention coming BYU's direction, it is
because the demand for information is driving the news, not the supply coming
from the BYU athletic department.If you have a gripe about the
attention BYU has been getting, it should be directed at the fans and the
reporters that feel the need to feed that demand.Once again,
Sorensen is a Utah Homer, and wrote this story because his Utah stories are
getting him no attention. Even Sorensen feels the need to crossover and write
about BYU to feed his "quest".It's not BYU's "quest for
attention"... Rather the publics desire for the news.It's pretty
obvious which University has the solid fanbase in this television market,
something Larry Scott needs to be worried about.Just sayin'...
Since the MWC conference will not kick a member out, and BYU has not left, it
seems funny to talk about making them sign a pledge or pay to get back in.They are still in. Nothing has changed.
fresnogirl | 10:21 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010 That's what BYU is saying
about going independent.Whether BYU is successful or not in pulling
off independence over the next couple of days, imagine the discussion announcers
on the Mt will have when they televise BYUs games throughout 2010. Quest accomplished?
To Hedgehog and Wwookie I was in LA and LV all last week and while BYU going
independent did not dominate like here in SLC, it was talked about extensively.
"The Project" has been and is in the national and western sports news, but
mostly not painting the Y in a very favorable light. LV radio ripped on the
arrogance of the Cougars and their fans, even suggested that to stay in the MWC
the Cougars should have to sign a pledge not to leave with $ penalty if they do.
To Hedgehog...there is ONE who cares alot about BYU,who appears to read
everything about BYU and who probably lives outside Utah county and that is
you...you should remember the old saying, "By throwing dirt, all you do is lose
ground" and your in a deep hole.
@coyote120I grew up here in Fresno. I can tell you that Fresno State
longed for years and years to be invited to the WAC. Then they were finally
invited only to be ditched by most of the original members. Ouch! But still
they longed to be invited (now to the MWC). In the WAC last year they went, they
went 8-4 and finished up with a 28-35 loss to Wyoming. But they still say things
like, "now that we are in the MWC, they are sure to get into the BCS... even
without U of U or BYU." And they really believe it. They think this is their
ticket into the BCS.
Buster,"quest for attention" seems to ring more true.
ProudRedUtahAlum | 8:29 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010 "BYU's quest overshadows sports
news""Also, maybe you shouldn't use the word 'quest'. That has not
served BYU well in the past."===Words have meaning...Questverb (used with object) To search or seek for; pursue. Sorensen is a Ute "homer". He uses the word to dig at BYU, and the quest
for perfection.My question:What word would you have
chosen?Any football team should be on a " quest for perfection".Sort of like "In search of Excellence".
Took a quick look at ESPN's home page a couple of days ago. On the college
football site it had a BYU QB thread regarding the "Y's" choice to go with two
QB's, along with other major college headlines. ESPN doesn't put things on the
website that no one reads. This was just regarding a QB decision. I know the
hate group could never acknowledge this, because the hunger pains of hate can
only be satisfied by propogating hate; but for the still openminded swing group
I'd say this is evidence BYU sports does have some national significance and
certainly regional prominence in college football. YOBANFA--the reason you are
always seeing "Y" news is because so many people are reading it. Every one of
your clicks counts too. Suggestion-don't click on "Y" stuff it only propogates
more "Y" news.
CBPapa | 8:34 a.m. Aug. 30, 2010 "BYU may or may not have the
national cache', but they definitely have the state locked up with media
attention."They do? Hmmmmm...Whatever you say. How
about this one...'BYU - Quest for Attention.'
Why did Fresno and Nevada bolt the Project. It seems to me that staying with the
WAC, with BYU as an Independent would be a better deal for them.The
football competition is slightly better, as long as Boise State moves to the MWC
as planned. There doesn't appear to be any more money. The MWC is mired in an
awful TV deal, and will (whether now or later) lose its flagship school in BYU.
ESPN apparently was going to come in strong on the deal to get a Western
presence. It all seemed like a powerful plan for all involved. So why Fresno and
Nevada would jump?
Rise and shout...
Hey YOBANFA: If listening and reading about BYU bothers you so much, why don't
you just quit listening and reading?Face it...BYU may or may not have the
national cache', but they definitely have the state locked up with media
"BYU's quest overshadows sports news"BYU arrogance is alive and
well. They are indeed getting exposure, but is this what they really want?
Let's see, if I am the Big-12, do I want BYU after this fiasco?Also,
maybe you shouldn't use the word 'quest'. That has not served BYU well in the
Mike,If the Big 12 wanted BYU they would do it now, you know, "One
call, that's all". The most academic liberal elite Universities belong to a
club called the Association of American Universities (AAU). It is by invitation
only and there are currently 63 members. Among those members are Stanford, Cal,
Washington, Oregon, etc. The very Universities with presidents that BYU
insiders blame for not inviting BYU to the PAC 10. Well, the Big 12 has their
share of AAU members as well including Missouri, Texas and Texas A&M. Do you
really believe that those presidents will feel any different about BYU as the
PAC 10 presidents did? Also, BYU is one of 45 institutions cited by the
American Association of University Professors (AAUP) for lacking academic
freedom. Playing BYU in football from time to time as Texas and Washington are
doing is one thing but getting the presidents (who make the real decisions) to
admit them as a full conference member is quite another.
BEWwwookie,ESPN,SL tribune, KSL, KUTV, KSTU, CNN, MSNBC, V.S., USA
today, and most of all, The Daily Utah Chronicle.....wwoolie, congrats on becoming the newest BEW, you've worked very hard to earn
Just a shout out from the Midwest Media; A two sentence blurb mentioning BYU
appeared about two weeks ago — that’s it. Not a mere mention since.
Trust me, no one outside of Utah County could care less.All this
tds knee tapping and teeth grinding has gone almost completely unnoticed —
nationally. Ask me about the Texas moves early this summer…..hourly
updates and analysis.
coug_gradI think you hit on something that I have been trying to
convey for a while. When BYU gets out of the MWC it will not be long before they
are invited to another conference or they carve out a new conference from the
non BCS Conferences.Since you already want to take CUSA members, why
not look at taking the cream of the three conferences.Easter
division UAB, Old Miss, Houston, and Memphis TCU, and Air force. Western division Boise st., BYU, SDSU , Fresno st., New Mexico, and UNLVIf you feel the need to add schools look at La Tech and SMU or
Tulane and Tulsa in the east and Hawaii and Nevada in the west. than
would be a great conference.NO UTAH STATE simply doesn't belong.
I am so tired of listening to all BYU radio, and reading all BYU newspaper.
Thank goodness actual games will be played cause the blue fest is burning my
brain.No way BYU can organize it's own new conference. If these last
few weeks have taught us anything it is BYU does not have the national cache'
they thought was there. BYU is a poor excuse for a mid level Texas, "hook em
Cougs"...that does not work?!?
Mike, Please tell me where else, besides the DN, where this story is
overshadowing the other sports news. Ive looked, but I cant find it.Thank
you in advance.
Go back to the MWC? BYU does not eat that much crow unless they get major
concessions to save face! Tribune reports insiders saying that seems highly
unlikely. With the WAC, they still have Nevada and Fresno for at least 2 more
years (maybe more if they don't have the $5 million), and with the pushing of
ESPN I bet they recruit a couple other schools to boost the ranks also! The WCC
is even a better option! Did you forget the 20x greater national TV exposure and
5-10 times greater revenue from independence! What a ridiculous,
short sided article!
Monday morning: Tom needs announce BYU is leaving MWC with no other comment.Then call CT and KB and organize a new conference with two divisions (MWAC)
Mountain West Athletic ConferenceWestern Athletic and Mountain West.Western Athletic-BYU,USU,BSU,FSU,NM,NMSU,SDSU and UTEPMountain
West-Houston,SMU,TCU, CSU, Wyoming,AirForce,UNLV, Nevada