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Brad Rock: Rivals and pals, Kyle Whittingham and Bronco Mendenhall drive through Mountain West Conference one last time together

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  • Pete in Texas
    Aug. 30, 2010 8:34 p.m.

    @ Thlete:

    Do you know did he get a jacket embroidered with the Utes logo on it? I'd love to see something like that.

  • Thlete
    Aug. 30, 2010 6:05 p.m.

    @Pete in Texas, Coach Whit rides a new Harley himself. And he is quite funny in person (just went to a Crimson Club lunch today) while I think Bronco enjoys trying to use big words a little too much.

  • USportsFan
    Aug. 30, 2010 5:45 p.m.

    Hellooo,

    TCU may beat both of them. We'll have to see. But the Utah-BYU game will never be meaningless. There is more to playing football than just a conference championship.

  • USportsFan
    Aug. 30, 2010 5:36 p.m.

    CG,

    A little history lesson in football:
    In 1939, the AP poll was first published.
    1. How many years did it take before Utah finished in the final AP Top 25 for the first time?
    There wasn't a AP Top 25 for a long time after it started. But it was on the AP list 25 years after it started.

    2. How many times had BYU finished in the final AP Top 25 by the time Utah first cracked the final AP poll?
    BYU had 0 top 25 finishes before Utah was ranked. BYU's first ranking was in 1977.

  • Hellooo
    Aug. 30, 2010 5:10 p.m.

    TCU will beat both teams as they make their last drive through the conference making the last game almost meaningless, but to even up the series between W and M.

  • Pete in Texas
    Aug. 30, 2010 5:04 p.m.

    Rivalry and/or BYU and Utah stuff aside, how in the world do I get one of those "Band of Brothers" leather jackets that Bronco has? Those are SWEET!!! BTW... very nice Harley as well.

    If we put football aside and focus on the individual, Bronco rides Harleys, breaks horses, and surfs.... Kyle may be a nice guy and all, but if I could choose to hang out with one of them for a weekend, I'm choosing Bronco. That guy seems like a stud, and he seems pretty humble about everything. Just my $.02...

    Seriously.... anyone know how to get one of those jackets? Please post it on here. I couldn't find one in the Lindon Harley shop the last time I was there. I'd love to be wearing them out here in Texas on my Harley.... very cool.

  • Tarheel Ute
    Aug. 30, 2010 4:36 p.m.

    I was also at the 2004 game- I think we won twice. The cheerleading squads played while they fixed the lights - Utah won, after a Ute provided a pretty wicked hit on one of the Wyoming coeds. Following that, the Utes doubled-down and beat Wyoming football team, pulling away in the second half. I will miss the Wyoming games; not for the weather, but for what were some pretty competitive games. Wyoming may think otherwise after teh more recent 40/50 point beatings in 2007/2008.

    No doubt the dynamics of BYU-Utah in November will change. Over the last 20 years, the games were significant relative to the Holy War and the MWC/WAC championship. Unfortunately, the Holy War will be the focus; and this has been the least likable aspect of the rivalry. If the game becomes the early game of significance of both teams, neither will be able to use it to redeem their season.

    However if Utah does well in the PAC12 and BYU succeeds at going independent, the game may grow in significance, of a different nature - assuming the fans and ADs continue to support the rivalry.

  • Tarheel Ute
    Aug. 30, 2010 4:13 p.m.

    Veritas Aequitas

    BYU was the better team last year.
    BYU was the better team last year.
    BYU was the better team last year.

    There! to go along with your grammer corrections, I have written on the blog (chalk) board three times.

    Anything else?

    Otherwise, we can revisit this at the end of November.

  • CrimsonUte
    Aug. 30, 2010 3:19 p.m.

    I was at that Utah/Wyoming game in 2004, sitting in the freezing cold wind for 99 minutes. Can't say I'm sad Utah won't be making biannual trips there.

    As for USC and UCLA coming here in November, maybe that will help ensure that the games are played on Saturday in the early afternoon.

  • Wiley Old School
    Aug. 30, 2010 10:43 a.m.

    VA: Yes, BYU was better than Utah in both football and basketball last season. Disappointing for me as a Utah fan but not at all hard for me to admit.

    (Though I was proud of my rebuilding Utes to take the highly-favored, home-team, senior-laden, best-BYU-football-team-in-15-years to overtime, unfortunately losing on one well-executed play. But scoreboard to BYU and congrats to them for getting only their second win over a ranked team since the beginning of the Meyer/Wittingham era.)

    Now.... For the record, you are giving Utah football and basketball the "scoreboard for last decade", and credit for being the better team unless the Cougars can prove it wrong?

    Come on, I just want to hear one Cougar fan admit it...

  • Tom in CA
    Aug. 29, 2010 10:30 p.m.

    @Creative 1:

    You just will never get over being beat at the ballot box, will you. Twice, no less.

    Do you always get side tracked like this, or did you just have a temporary loss of thought process.

  • Veritas Aequitas
    Aug. 29, 2010 10:25 p.m.

    Utah Utes1 | 9:10 p.m. Aug. 29, 2010
    The best cure for stupid comments is the start of college football. THEN arguments with relevance today can begin.
    ===
    Sooooo... For the record, you are giving BYU football and basketball the "scoreboard for last year", and credit for being the better team, unless the Utes can prove it wrong?

    Come on, I just want to hear one Ute fan admit it...

  • Buster
    Aug. 29, 2010 9:39 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    BYU has two Outland Trophy winners.

    1989 Mo Elewonibi Outland Trophy
    1986 Jason Buck Outland Trophy

  • Utah Utes1
    Aug. 29, 2010 9:10 p.m.

    The best cure for stupid comments is the start of college football. THEN arguments with relevance today can begin.

  • SportsFan
    Aug. 29, 2010 8:06 p.m.

    Real Football Accomplishments of National Significance

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0 (nil/zip)

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17
    Utah 5

    BSC Appearances
    BYU 0
    Utah 2

    Heisman Trophy
    BYU 1
    Utah 0 (nil/zip)

    Doak Walker Award
    BYU 1
    Utah 0 (nil/zip)

    Davey O'Brien Award
    BYU 4
    Utah 0 (nil/zip)

    Outland Trophy
    BYU 1
    Utah 0 (nil/zip)

    Sammy Baugh Trophy
    BYU 7
    Utah 0 (nil/zip)

    College Football Hall of Fame inductees
    BYU
    Gifford Nielsen (QB), 1994
    Marc Wilson (QB), 1996
    Jim McMahon (QB), 1999
    Steve Young (QB), 2001
    LaVell Edwards (Head Coach), 2004
    Gordon Hudson (Tight End), 2009

    Utah
    Ike Armstrong (Head Coach), 1957

    --------------------------------

    Sorry, how much $$$ you've received from bowls is not a football accomplishment.

    And getting an invite to the PAC had nothing to do with football accomplishments -- see Colorado.

  • moodyblue1977
    Aug. 29, 2010 6:09 p.m.

    The only thing I can't figure in all of this is why a BCS bowl is the measure of anything.

    Everybody in the conference likes a bowl that brings money to the other teams.

    The only thing that matters in football is championships, period. Conference championships and national championships.

    I hope that BYU and Utah can continue to be champions in the future. I think it will be hard for both teams.

    Remember, though, Colorado and Utah were not admitted to the PAC-10 because the members thought the new guys would beat them in football. They thought they could have leverage for more money from Comcast.

  • TrojanMan
    Aug. 29, 2010 6:02 p.m.

    WestCoast1 and SoCalUtahFan, I won't list SC's accomplishments, we know what they are. Can't wait to meet Utah in conference play. We'll see how they stack up against PAC12 team each week. Bring it on!

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 29, 2010 5:52 p.m.

    One of the many reasons why I like Utah in Pac-12:

    1) In southern california, I'll be able to watch Utah Utes football/b-ball games on FSN vs other Pac-12 teams....can't wait for 2011 season to start...hahaha

    2) Perhaps, I will be able to go to a Rose bowl in a near future to watch Utah playing a big 10 team (may be 12-0 Michigan, or 12-0 Ohio State)...for a NC --> that would be totally awesome!!!!

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 29, 2010 5:46 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    Important stats:

    BCS games:
    Kyle 2
    Bronco 0 (nil/zip)

    Power conference invitation:
    Kyle 1
    Bronco 0 (nil/zip)

    Total bowl payout since 1992:
    Utah $39 mil (approx)
    BYU. $10 mil (approx)

  • CG
    Aug. 29, 2010 5:03 p.m.

    WestCoast1

    "They hit a dry spell,..."

    To be more precise, that little dry spell that you so quickly glossed over lasted from 1965 to 1995.

    That's only 10 years longer than the 1922 to 1962 period that Utah dominated the series, and BYU didn't even play football during three of those years, 1942 to 1944.

    Utah solidly claimed the leather helmet era when football was little more than a club sport at BYU.

    --------------------------------------


    A little history lesson for U:

    In 1939, the AP poll was first published.

    1. How many years did it take before Utah finished in the final AP Top 25 for the first time?

    2. How many times had BYU finished in the final AP Top 25 by the time Utah first cracked the final AP poll?

  • anna mac
    Aug. 29, 2010 5:02 p.m.

    I don't think the title of the article reflects the article itself:

    Rivals and pals, Kyle Whittingham and Bronco Mendenhall drive through Mountain West Conference one last time together.

    HUH? This is a poor attempt at grabbing attention for a retread article.

  • SportsFan
    Aug. 29, 2010 4:41 p.m.

    Conference Championships during the Last 50 Years

    BYU - 23
    1965
    1974
    1976
    1977
    1978
    1979
    1980
    1981
    1982
    1983
    1984
    1985
    1989
    1990
    1991
    1992
    1993
    1995
    1999
    2001
    2006
    2007

    Utah - 6
    1964
    1995
    1999
    2003
    2004
    2008

    During the Bronco/Kyle era (2005 through 2009):

    BYU - 2 (2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd); four Top 25 finishes
    Utah - 1 (4th, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 3rd); two Top 25 finishes

    Kyle has lost to every team in the MWC, including being shut out by bottom dweller UNLV 0-27.

    Bronco has never lost to Air Force, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Wyoming.

    Head-to-head
    Bronco - 3
    Kyle - 2

  • badlandscougar
    Aug. 29, 2010 4:18 p.m.

    can you beleive all the comments? go utes and cougs!! best of luck and happy trails to you...it's about money and survival in college football. oh yeah, one thing about creative 1's comment that i have to respond to is that mormons are supposed to do what's right not follow the world current? i was cougar when cougar wasn't cool.

  • custer
    Aug. 29, 2010 3:32 p.m.

    What happened to Arizona State after they went from the WAC to the Pac 10 in 1978? Remember this was an ASU football program that dominated the Wac, winning conference titles 7 of the last 10 years in the Wac. ASU went from a dominating power in the WAC, to a mediocre team in the Pac 10. After 32 years in the Pac 10, ASU has won only 3 conference titles, played in 2 Rose Bowls, and has not played in any BCS bowl games.

    Like ASU discovered, Utah will find out that winning on the road in a major conference like the Pac 10, is very difficult. Since 2000, Utah's road game record versus Pac 10 teams is 1-6. (Not counting neutral site bowl games.) BYU would have the same difficulty.

    Ute fans will not be happy loosing 4-5 games or worse every season, and no BCS bowl games. For solace Utes can always talk about the good old days in the MWC, the two undefeated seasons and the two BCS bowl games.

  • PAC man
    Aug. 29, 2010 3:08 p.m.

    Three reasons why the Utes won't challenge for conference championships in the PAC:

    Kyle has lost twice as many MWC games as Bronco - 12 vs 6.

    Kyle has finished 3rd or worse in the MWC 4 out of 5 years.

    Kyle is 0-3 on the road versus PAC 10 teams.

  • lanius
    Aug. 29, 2010 2:31 p.m.

    Live Hard has gotta be a Boise fan..... full of jealously and bitterness (it's the blue field, nobody likes it, nobody).

    Would it not be funny for BYU to leave the MWC only to have them (MWC)get AQ status or regular invites to BCS Bowls in the future and BYU out in the cold of independence? There is no guarantee that they will be treated well/fairly by the BCS or invited to a BCS conference.

    Aside from the Oklahoma game the Y's record against BCS schools over the last 5 - 10 years is not great. Why would they be given access? A reasonably(?) large national fan base may not be enough!

    It's going to be a fun year......

  • WestCoast1
    Aug. 29, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    Re: Truth Machine

    You're in need of a brief history lesson. For the 1st 50 years that the U of U and BYU competed, the U won 20 conference championships in the various conferences that they were aligned. They hit a dry spell, then have won 4 titles in the last ten years (26 total). BYU, on the other hand, did not win a single conference championship until the latter 50 years (about 20 total). Either way, neither of those accomplishments is very relevant except for what has taken place in the last decade.

    During this time the Utes have won 4 conference titles. They have 2 undefeated, BCS bowl winning- seasons. Along the way they have defeated UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Stanford, USC, and Oregon State all of the PAC 10/12. They also have a 9 game bowl winning streak.

    Tell me again, why you think the Utes won't do well in the PAC 12?


    Re: MacNasty

    You call this "uneducated drivel." Why?

  • BluCoug
    Aug. 29, 2010 2:08 p.m.

    big_ben,

    A little know fact is that the ute suck on the road when it comes to playing pac 10 schools.

  • Blue AZ Cougar
    Aug. 29, 2010 1:55 p.m.

    @ Laser

    Yeah, no kidding -- that BYU jacket is sweet! Bronco looks like Chuck Norris with that thing on. What a stud!!

  • Rock Of The Marne
    Aug. 29, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    Live Hard why the hate? I surmise from a couple of posts you are a WYO fan? BYU and Utah are Rocky Mountain/Intermountain West teams; that won't change with conference afflation. I think the smart Utah and BYU fans will remember where they came from and try not to disrespect the other teams/cities and states that make up the current MWC and the old WAC. I for one will be pulling for the Wyoming’s and CSUs as they are from the same neighborhood (Rocky Mountain West). My advice though would not to hate other teams for doing what your team would do as well (unfortunately in the end it all comes back to money). Best of luck to U of Wyoming in the future; there were some great games.

  • WestCoast1
    Aug. 29, 2010 1:11 p.m.

    @Truth Machine:

    Looking at the entire University of Utah history, they have won 26 football championships (Rocky Mtn. = 10, Big Seven = 5, Skyline 5, WAC 2, MWC = 4) which is more than BYU has won (20?).

    That the U of U won the majority of its football conference championships in the 1st 50 years of its program as opposed to BYU's winning its majority in the last 50 years is irrelevant.

    The University of Utah's 2 undefeated, BCS bowl-winning seasons in the past 6 years speak for themselves. The U has also beaten UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Cal, Oregon State, and USC all in the past decade. They also have won 9 straight bowl games.

    Tell me again, why the U should be so concerned about leaving the MWC and go to the PAC 12?


    @MacNasty:

    "share your uneducated drivel with someone who at least is a fan of BYU."

    I obviously did---you.

  • Laser
    Aug. 29, 2010 12:42 p.m.

    Where can I buy a jacket like that!!! Go Cougars!

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 29, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    @ Truth machine

    I see your logic. When Utah was still a member of the MWC, the pac-10 was overrated, the teams were awful, and gosh darn it, the mountain west was a better conference. Now, Utah goes there and instantly all the programs are awesome and will pound the utes into oblivion. which is it?

  • Henry Drummond
    Aug. 29, 2010 12:04 p.m.

    When the Utes line up to play USC or UCLA on a November day in California, I just don't think they will be remembering wistfully all the good times they had playing football in Wyoming during a snowstorm. Don't misunderstand me. Laramie is not the end of the world...but you can see it from there.

  • bgl
    Aug. 29, 2010 11:00 a.m.

    Truth Machine--2 BCS Championship wins equals invitation to the Conference of Champions.

    I will say no more.
    I NEED say no more.

  • donburi
    Aug. 29, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    @Creative1

    Thanks for your hateful rant. You're not as accurate as you think you are, but I hope that you feel better now.

  • Truth Machine
    Aug. 29, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    WestCoast1

    Fiction: Utah regularly wins conference championships.

    Fact: Utah regularly finishes 3rd or worst in the conference.

    What makes you think the Utes will immediately contend for the PAC 12 championship when the Utes so rarily contended for the WAC/MWC championship -- only 6 titles in the last 50 years?

    Even Kyle has only managed one championship, versus two each for BYU and TCU. Utah's regular 3rd place MWC finish will translate into a regular 6th place finish in the PAC 12.

  • MacNasty
    Aug. 29, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    @WestCoast1

    Got news for you pal. Live Hard is not a BYU fan at all. Read his post again. He is a fan of another MWC team (don't know which). All his previous comments from multiple past articles atest to that fact. So share your uneducated drivel with someone who at least is a fan of BYU.

  • WestCoast1
    Aug. 29, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    Re: Live Hard

    "Utah most likely will fight the WAZZU for basement sloppy seconds for last place..."

    Typical jealous BYU fan. The only thing you have going for you is your hope that Utah will lose in the PAC 12, the very conference you begged and pleaded to get into, but were rejected. Unfortunately for you, the Utes will end up immediately contending for the PAC 12 championship next year, and the years to come.

    How are you going to deal with that then?

  • wayne
    Aug. 29, 2010 8:26 a.m.

    Panamasesnews, first thought about the WAC, BYU and CSUA merging was you have got to be crazy with teams from East Carolina to San Jose St. to Hawaii what a logistical nightmare.

    then I pulled on my BYU classes and it started to make since. BYU is after all out for exposure. well they would have stops in Texas, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Tennessee, Florida, West Virginia, what great exposure.

    but without the BYU Glasses on you realize that they would only be playing Rice, Tulane and university of central Florida. not quite the exposure you had with the BYU glasses on. besides I would hate to have "We are marshal II" filmed at Laval Edwards Stadium.

    I can see a new conference in the making soon after BYU leaves the the mountian west with 6-8 other members to fill the middle of the schedule. and leave 4 or 6 non conference games so BYU could play the big boys.

    a good mix would be to have TCU, Huston, San Diego st., Fresno State, Boise St., Air Force, and possibly Southern Miss, Tulane, Tulsa, Hawaii, New Mexico, UNLV, UAB, and Memphis.

  • nottyou
    Aug. 29, 2010 4:46 a.m.

    You talk about Utah hating to go to Wyoming to play games in the snow and cold...now USC, UCLA, Oregon, etc. will hate coming to SLC in late fall to pay in the cold...

  • gonefishn
    Aug. 29, 2010 3:21 a.m.

    The players and coaches answers are canned, they keep saying "it's just another year" yeah right! Between the U going to the pac, BYU jumping the gun on independence and TCU gearing up for a BCS run, this is one of the most compelling preseasons I can ever remember. All of this is not lost on the players no matter what they say.

  • panamadesnews
    Aug. 29, 2010 1:59 a.m.

    I meant the rest of BYU's sports could become a part of the new conf (if the WAC and CUSA teams can come together to form a new conf) or a revamped WAC conf.

  • panamadesnews
    Aug. 29, 2010 1:57 a.m.

    Interesting if WAC and CUSA teams will come together forming a new conference, or the WAC can entice some of the CUSA teams to the WAC. That way BYU can go indy in FB with the rest of their sports in the CUSA, and USU will still be a part of a viable conference. We'll see what comes about on Mon or Tues. If BYU is going to go indy for 2011, they need to advise the MWC by or before Sept 1, otherwise they will remain part of the MWC until at least after the 2011 season.

  • shirley
    Aug. 29, 2010 1:36 a.m.

    If everything were to be wraped up in a blanket, BYU most certainly should go independent. There is so much hate towards BYU by schools who couldn't do a thing by themselves. Utah and BYU aways field a good program and maybe a different school once in a while but to be in a lagger conference, usually in the top, helps other schools and fill the coffers with money they should keep for themsleves, makes a good reason to move from the MWC. That blue carpet in Boise would be reason enough if nothing else. Go UTAH-BYU.

  • Creative1
    Aug. 29, 2010 1:06 a.m.

    I hope that BYU enjoys being an independent. Now that the school has angered the MWC by its insolence and belief that its is better than the rest of the league it would be very tough to go back.

    As for the Pac-Ten/Tweleve that won't happen for a long time if ever.

    Emotions are pretty raw here in California after the LDS Church involvement in Prop 8. There is no way that any of the four California schools could endorse membership for a Mormon school.

    Students, faculty and alumni would be outraged at an invitation to BYU. Even a huge national TV draw or big bucks from a national TV contract would't be enough to shake off the stigma of the churches involvement. (Thank god BYU has neither)

    The Big XII might be an option once they figure out exactly how to split the loot.

    50% to Texas and 50% to everyone else.

    Great move BYU!