Comments about ‘5,000 rally to "Take Back" Utah's public lands’

They may want to "take back" American land, but they still want to receive handouts from the American government. Ending handouts to these rural counties is the fiscally responsible thing to do in an effort to balance the budget like Bill Clinton did. We can't afford the deficits of the Reagan, Bush and Bush administrations, and ending farming and grazing subsidies in southern Utah would be a good start to balancing the American budget.

It's not illegals who can't understand English. We have 5000 Utahns that don't seem to know what the word public in public lands means. I'm sick of people trying to rip off the American public. This happening in a welfare state where Utahns get $1.23 for each dollar they pay in federal taxes. Thanks for reporting this story about entitlement mentalities.

So, people from Colorado are at the "Take Back Utah" rally - because why? Aren't they some of the ones we are trying to take Utah back from? You know - out of state influence and what not?

Here is another thing - you cannot "take back" something you never had. Federal lands in Utah belong to the Federal Government - they have never belonged to Utah.

I mean, do these people really have such a poor understanding of how things work in the US?

I don't think the aclu would want people taking back land. Someone might say something nice about religion or put up a cross or something (gasp).

Not scared, aren't you normally an anti-Mormon, why the cheery disposition here?

I thought the aclu controlled these lands? They can't give them to the people.

I can remember when Arches was a State Park until someone thought it a good idea to make it a National Park.......does anyone realize how many of our National Parks are under UN control? I think it is about 18...how did this happen and why!
When anyone thinks the Federal Government can manage and do things better....they are those who stand with their hands outstretched for the dole. The mind that thinks we can find our own solutions to financial problems is a healthy mind and one that does not seek help from those who would put is in bondage to them!
We should never let others do for us what we can do for ourselves!!! Government entitlements only enslave the people who depend upon them. Take away the entitlements and let the people do for themselves......that may mean they will have to go to work...even if it means jobs "beneath" their dignity until they can get on their feet!

What does this topic have to do with anyone's view of Mormonism? The story is about land that is the birthright of all Americans. Only in America, can a people own part of our nation's lands.

I belong to the largest family in the LDS Church. My father did art work for the Era. It's simplistic to marginalize me as anti-Mormon. I stay out of most frays regarding LDS theology. It see arguing them as pointless.

I know Mormonism well enough to know most Mormons want to tell you their religious views as they reject any discussions of them.

Many in my family love their church. I never get in the way of their beliefs or feelings.

It's all about what you find joy in.

When I point out that Mitt really hurts the image of Mormons, it what I believe. This belief is based on years of hearing others views of Mormons. You can't change the wind but you can change the trim on your sails.

Honesty isn't the same as hate. Mormons, in my view, really blow it by not taking into regard the feeling of others.

National parks under control of the U.N.?? You know, there are meds that can help folks get a more rational handle on things. As to all those screaming about taking back federal land -- it always was federal land, ever since the Mexican War. And how does permanently damaging the land with ORV ruts help the vast majority of people who really do own the land, as American citizens, and don't want to see it damaged? The land abusers are in full cry, yelling stupidly about "taking back Utah." How sad.

When I came to the rally around 1:00 pm, there weren't more than 300 people there.

I know that, considering where I live, if I had a SUWA sticker on my car that someone might throw eggs at it or key it. And a National Wildlife Federation sticker might be grounds for a bombing, who knows.

I don't understand the FAR LEFT.

The Federal government OWNS or controls MOST of Utah's lands,

and then they say Utahns are terrible and hypocritical if they expect or get anything back for it.

Where is the fairness.



And then we have NOT_SCARED coming here crying that UTahns and particularly mormons are not doing enough "popular" things or wrong things, to get everyone else to love them.

Not sure what that has do with with UTan's wanting more control of THEIR lands.

but the doctine we should jump of a cliff because everyone else is doing it, is NOT a good idea.

I don't trust the local government and self serving local politicians like Mike Noel to do any better managing public land. Too many of the leaders of this rally have too much to gain personally for them to be trusted in any way shape or form on this issue.

I guess they want control of the land so they can destroy it by allowing strip mining, buriel of nuclear waste, and allowing uncontrolled use of ATVs. There are many Utahns who don't appreciate the beauty of their state - they are only interested in making money from the rape of the land and riding their ATVs wherever they want.

Did you notice how Greece is selling islands to pay off its debt? It's going to happen here too. Sometime, during my life, I expect to see the federal govt. sell Zions National Park to private interests. Expect it with other lands as well...

300 doesn't quite sound like "thousands"

Truth - are you just an internet troll or do you actually believe the stuff you spew? Your rants sound like a college kid who thinks heshe has the answers to everything. Buttome line is these lands never were Utahn, And you all keep crying about entitlements, yet you never cry about those that can't make their living using land they don't own.

Now before you go thinking I am some radical tree hugger (actually I do like trees - Utah could use a few more), I love to go off in the back country - even use a quad to go exploring. But there has to be a balance where what we have is available equally to the generations who follow. And I don't have a problem with ranchers using public land for grazing if they use good management practices. But they don't have a right or are entitled to do it. They are using land in the public trust - it isn't theirs, never was, and they can't take it bake because they never had it. These ranchers are not entitled to these public resources,

Not_Scared, my apologies. I don't have all those credentials, just whistling, whittling, watching, and seeing. ; )

@ the truth: Do you even listen to what you say?

"The Federal government OWNS or controls MOST of Utah's lands,

and then they say Utahns are terrible and hypocritical if they expect or get anything back for it."

Yes - the Federal Government owns the federal lands in Utah. Yes - they get to control the lands they own.

How is it not fair for Utah to not get anything for land they don't own?

How much of your house do you let your neighbors have? How much control do renters get over the landlord?

This is not about Utah having control of their lands, this is about Utah wanting control of lands owned by the Federal Government.

@ lookbeyond: The UN has "control" of certain national parks and monuments because Nixon signed a treaty in 1972 saying that since these places have value to the entire world, we would protect and maintain them for the entire world. The UN "control" is limited to making sure we are doing what the treaty says we said we would do. That's it.

As for why the Federal Government has the authority to do that - it is because the Federal Government owns those lands. The land that is within the borders of the State of Utah was given to the United States government as part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. When Utah became a state, the Federal Government gave some of the land in Utah to Utah and kept the rest for itself.