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  • Where's Stockton ???
    Aug. 29, 2010 12:49 p.m.

    Deseret news...You people need to provide a way to allow your writers a way to edit their writings if they should accidentally go over their alloted 200 words. This losing their entire script for going one word over is a bunch of crap. This is the only blog I've ever been on where you are capitaciously penalized for going over the set limits on either characters or words. Either You have no integrity or totally lack imagination if you cannot program the ability to trim below the set limits. Use your minds people...it's not that hard to correct what is an obvious flaw in your system...Make our experience a positive one...instead of taking away our choices...I mean voices. Doesn't that seem vaguely familiar to you??? Isn't there something seemingly Constitutional about this very aspect of writing. Not having speech and words usurped from our grasp. We're big kids now...aren't we. Don't you think that we can recognize that hey maybe we need to shorten our written words in order not to pass the 200 mark. I have 12 left and now 6. How am I doing?

  • Utes4Ever
    Aug. 28, 2010 9:38 p.m.

    worf -

    Have you been paying attention to what I am writing? Who is ganging up on BYU with hate? Relax a little.

  • worf
    Aug. 28, 2010 5:03 p.m.

    Was the MWC ethical with BYU. This is American--to take take chances and better yourself. How long is BYU to be chained the MWC and not take a risk? This may be a bad choice, but so is spending a ton of money going to college. BYU is not Notre Dame. How many conferences has Notre Dame supported? How many Wyomings and Colorado States have they kept afloat? You're right--Notre Dame is no BYU. Should we all gang up and hate BYU?

  • Utes4Ever
    Aug. 28, 2010 4:24 p.m.

    ... by all means, go independent. It won't take long to realize that the grass is not greener on the otherside and that it is extremely difficult to pull off indepedence in this era of college football. This will hurt BYU long term - not help them.

    Notre Dame is finding out how hard it is to maintain indepedence and BYU is NOT Notre Dame.

  • Utes4Ever
    Aug. 28, 2010 4:21 p.m.

    worf -

    BYU has the right to do virtually whatever they want, but they also have an obligation from a fiduciary standpoint to avoid conflicts of interests when looking out for their own best interests. It is simply the ethical thing to do.

  • worf
    Aug. 28, 2010 3:42 p.m.

    Utes4ever:

    MWC has known for years about this. They were just stubborn about tv rights. Nothing dishonest or deceiving about this. MWC are sore because they've depended on BYU to long for its revenue. Its time to pull the plug! BYU has every right to better its self and if you don't like it--move to China.

  • Utes4Ever
    Aug. 28, 2010 3:34 p.m.

    Jacky Blue -

    UtahUte is not being a hypocrite. There are distinctions between Utah's departure to the PAC 10 and BYU's Qwest of Independence that are night and day.

  • worf
    Aug. 28, 2010 12:59 p.m.

    With Utah going to the pac-10, why this ute bitterment for BYU going independent? I don't get it!

    During the 1970's & 80's, BYU beat Utah about 18 of 20 games. In trying to beat BYU, Utah grew stronger in football. They took BYU players for coaches, their passing game, and recruited Hawaiian players. They copied BYU and have done very well the past several years. The utes have been a good apprentice and the cougars have taught them well. Over the past four years, the cougars have had to play alittle harder to keep winning. Now its time for the utes to leave big brother and the Mountain West home and fend for themselves. Maybe big brother cougars will do something similar. Hopefully both teams will represent the state well.

  • Aggie84
    Aug. 28, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    Money is the root of all evil. Yes it takes money to create a great program but how much is enough. USU certainly doesn't have enough but they get the most out of their buck. The Y, well don't they have enough money already. Why do they need more? It's like the NBA players who make millions plus wanting more during negotiating time.
    Let's see who the real true blue is in the state when this is all over?

  • Utes4Ever
    Aug. 28, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    Jacky Blue -

    UtahUte is not being a hypocrite. There are distinctions between Utah's departure to the PAC 10 and BYU's Qwest of Independence that are night and day.

  • sg
    Aug. 28, 2010 2:25 a.m.

    going to the WAC? WHY? It is such a weak conference and what's with USU? They are a sorry and sad college. Why in the world would you want to compete with this "small" college? So you leave the MWC (which I've always felt is run by one of the most incompetent commissioners in college football with the most stupid TV deal every devised and then no longer play a team that has its number...TCU? To heck with the WAC. Stop thinking of playing USU (which isn't a great substitute as an in-state rival). This is a school that has no business ever to play BYU in football. Big deal one sport...basketball....yippee!! A totally disgusted Y fan.

  • Utes4Ever
    Aug. 28, 2010 12:24 a.m.

    Jacky Blue -

    See a couple posts above to answer your question.

  • Jacky Blue
    Aug. 28, 2010 12:20 a.m.

    To UtahUte,

    Using your logic Utah went behind the backs of their MWC partners in negotiating and accepting an offer from the PAC-10-12. Be consistent you hypocrite!

  • Jacky Blue
    Aug. 27, 2010 11:46 p.m.

    The fact that most Ute fans are opposed to BYU going independent means it is a great idea. As far as loyalty and being team players, Ute fans have no right to judge seeing how you are bolting to the PAC-11 to better your situation. BYU is simply trying to better their situation. The TV deal with the Mtn. got changed on the conference when it was sold off to Comcast. Why so judgmental about BYU leaving but ok with Utah leaving? Who does Utah think it is, USC, Oregon? It is a lame argument against BYU going independent and frankly beneath the integrity of a fine school of higher learning like the U.

  • The Deuce
    Aug. 27, 2010 10:58 p.m.

    What is all this talk about the power of the BYU football program? You have the #3 and #6 rated footballs teams (preseason) with Boise State and TCU and no one comments about how BYU has yet to beat these two teams. Until I see this done, BYU looks to be a 3rd place team in the MWC so why all the talk about leaving for greener pastures. They can't win in their own backyard. Throwing all of the other BYU sports programs under the bus makes no sense unless the Cougars are only in it for the money. This whole thing has really backfired on the Y. The Utes are looking smarter by the minute. Utah made a good decision that worked for them. I would not even give Utah State the time of day. Ask what they have done lately.

  • Utes4Ever
    Aug. 27, 2010 10:55 p.m.

    the truth & BleedCougarBlue -

    The difference is that Utah did not collude with their new conference to prevent their current conference with recovering from their departure. Utah's departure from the MWC to the PAC 10 did nothing to the MWC to hinder their ability to find a replacement or at least explore options on how to replace them.

    Nowhere do we have direct evidence that BYU forced the WAC to make their current members opt-in to the $5 million dollar buyout in their proposed contract, thereby partially stonewalling the MWC from recovering BYU's departure, but in this case BYU at the very least failed to yield to their own counsel to "avoid the appearance of evil". There does appear to be a conflict of interest in BYU's behavior. Perhaps this is why BYU has been eerily silent about this situation. The quieter they remain, the easier it is to save face.

    Fresno State is complicit in this and I am not justifying their behavior one bit, but what Fresno State did to the WAC appears no worse than what BYU would have done to the MWC if their agreement had thier agreement with the WAC been finalized.

  • BleedCougarBlue
    Aug. 27, 2010 10:06 p.m.

    OK, yewties, this is for those of you who continually claim that BYU is the bad guy in all this...

    article quote: "BYU's near return to the WAC in all sports but football, where the Cougars would have been an independent, was derailed when one of the co-authors of the plan, Fresno State's Welty, surprisingly abandoned it to jump to the Mountain West with the University of Nevada within a few hours of getting invitations from MWC commissioner Craig Thompson despite having made verbal and, in Fresno State's case, written pledges to stand strong with the WAC or pay a $5 million buyout."

    So what did BYU do wrong here?...

  • the truth
    Aug. 27, 2010 8:22 p.m.

    And Utah did not go behind backs thier current parteners and arrange a deal with the PAC-10?


    It's okay to go behinds backs to join a BCS conference,

    but not to go independent?

    It okay for Utat to look out for it's best interest, but not BYU?


    Is This what passes for thinking at arrogant Utah these days?




  • homers
    Aug. 27, 2010 7:48 p.m.

    I say smaller would be better. BYU, TCU, Boise State, Air Force, Fresno State, Nevada, uNLV, San Diego State. Play the seven conference games and commit to a six year home and home with Navy, and then get the best four other games you can get every year. Like this year - throw in a Washington and a Florida State and you've got a good schedule. Washington, Navy, Florida State, Utah State, TCU, Air Force, Fresno State, Utah, Boise State, Nevada, UNLV, SDSU. That would trade CSU for Navy, trade Fresno State for New Mexico, Nevada for Wyoming, with Boise Stat every year the schedule is definitely upgraded.

  • Utahute72
    Aug. 27, 2010 7:15 p.m.

    I love the BYU fans "We did nothing wrong" stance. They went behind the backs of their current partners, the MWC, and arranged a deal with the WAC, still smarting from BSU leaving. The WAC was eager to get in bed with the Devil to punish BSU, so they engaged with BYU and USU in devising a plan, prejudicial to BYU's current conference. Then when FSU and Nevada use this greed to make a better deal for themselves they are villified.

    Not only that how does Carl Benson not know that one of the Universities involved haven't even agreed to the deal. What a mess, and it certainly casts a poor light on the BYU athletic program, particularly now that they are about to abandon those same players they pledged their lot with, the WAC and USU.

  • mountains101
    Aug. 27, 2010 6:48 p.m.

    TWO, that isn't true.

  • mountains101
    Aug. 27, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    Stay another year, figure out your plans, then go independent in football... but realize you aren't quite the national power you thought you were.. who cares.. it's all about exposure for the church, right? The sports is a bonus. If you're a BYU alum you shouldn't care where the track and field teams play... it's all about the message getting out.

  • mountains101
    Aug. 27, 2010 6:46 p.m.

    Can we stop with the "Mark My Words" nonsense.. I've seen that about a dozen times on this site in the last two days.. who gives a crap what anonymous commenters say in regards to integrity...

    Also, I just checked the Mtn. website... all 30 games are in HD, so can we stop with the "grainy, high school definition" talk? Every game is in HD. I'm sorry you live in a state that doesn't have sports bars with DirecTV... But all my Mtn broadcasts look as good as any on Versus, ESPN, etc.. enough with the Mtn is shooting with Super 8 cameras.. that's just not true.

    I will say that BYU hasn't "left" the conference... so all the national media that keeps saying they are "crawling back" is ridiculous... they haven't left!


  • TWO
    Aug. 27, 2010 5:23 p.m.

    It seems to me that too many of you jumped the Gun. In another report I just read, the tv contract with the mountain hinged on BYU and Utah staying in the conference together. With both leaving supposedly, the mountain will lose its tv coverage.

  • wyoming cougar
    Aug. 27, 2010 5:03 p.m.

    i'm not sure where some of the Y-haters come off saying that BYU needs to go back to the mwc.

    What part of this do you not understand? BYU has never left the mwc- they've never let any of their intentions be known, and haven't made any formal statements relating to any of this big mess.

    BYU is only guilty of looking for an opportunity to better things for the university and its programs, nearly identical to what the u did while members of the mwc in negotiating with the pac-1x.

    I'm interested to see how this all plays out over the next few days- but I for one would be glad to get out of the mwc, no matter where BYU ends up- much like utah did.

    Neither team is guilty of bad ethics, immoral behavior or greed. But there are more than a few u fans on here completely guilty of hypocrisy.

  • Turtle
    Aug. 27, 2010 3:54 p.m.

    CBR, Scarecrow and others.

    You guys are nuts!

  • MiP
    Aug. 27, 2010 3:47 p.m.

    Ok, I like talking about drinking Kool-Aid.

    If Max Hall were here, he would say the folks at Fresno State and Nevada are classless and that they just poured the proverbial Kool-Aid over his family, wife, fans, dog and schoolmates.

    Who wants to drink that up?

    BYU dug THIS pit and they'll have to climb out of it. The good thing is, time will fill that pit back up, we'll forget what happened and we'll all be back to what we enjoy most: the ACTUAL football games...



  • Justmythoughts
    Aug. 27, 2010 3:29 p.m.

    I wish BYU and Utah State would join together and just say to any other schools....if you want a good conference come and join us...and see if any schools would come along. I would love to say "adios" to the Mtn. and Craig Thompson. I can't stand either one.

  • SoCalTrueBlue2
    Aug. 27, 2010 2:20 p.m.

    MWC Commissioner Thompson will forever be loathed by BYU leadership and fans. He will avoid appearing at any BYU event because the fans would boo him off the field. To prevent BYU from leaving, he WEAKENED the MWC by inviting mediocre Nevada (akin to another New Mexico in football) to join along with Fresno St., which at least is decent in football but weak in integrity. A previous article suggested the MWC will help "finance" the $5 million exit fees that these 2 new schools must pay to the WAC. I hope BYU will sue to prevent that from happening. Within 12 months, either BYU will be gone from the MWC or Thompson will be gone as MWC Commissioner. Mark my words.

  • Old Scarecrow
    Aug. 27, 2010 2:04 p.m.

    I'm noticing the BYU fans are getting a little quieter, as there is really nothing new to talk about. Not so the Ute fans and Y haters. No rumor is too obscure, no assumption is too vague to try and turn it against BYU and often the LDS Church. Ignoring that Utah turned its back on 100 years of tradition to run to the PAC for money, the Utes criticize BYU for trying to find its own way to create new revenue. Utes ridicule BYU for trying to leave the MWC, even though they are still celebrating their own escape. No one at BYU has said, "This is how we will win a national championship!" No one at BYU admin expects the MWC to ever get an AQ to the BCS. No one at BYU has said we are on the same level with Texas, or the other top programs mentioned. That's all stuff made up by Ute fans to point fingers at their hated rival. Outside of recruiting, the Y isn't thinking about Utah as much as Ute fans are apparently worried about the Y. See you all in November. Gonna be fun.

  • gbo
    Aug. 27, 2010 1:51 p.m.

    @Live Hard:

    Nothing better to do than to criticize? "Most BYU fans?" Do you know "Most BYU fans?" I've never met you. Don't stereotype. You're no better than the BYU fan who stereotype's all Utah fans as drunken, beer throwing people (which of course they aren't).

    Fact: Craig Thompson made the statement that the Mountain West is a more valuable property with BYU than without the Cougars. It doesn't mean that BYU IS the MWC, but it does mean BYU is very important to the conference.

    Fact: You are not involved in the negotations and just because you read a few emails after the fact does NOT make you an informed expert on what's going on.

    Talk about drinking Kool-Aid.

  • Otis Spurlock
    Aug. 27, 2010 1:33 p.m.

    MWC commissioner Craig Thompson totally outfoxed BYU on this. He totally stopped BYU”s defection and I don’t think Holmoe or Samuelson ever saw it coming. I fully expect BYU to remain in the MWC for all sports, including football, and to have very few, if any, concessions given regarding television revenue, exposure, or broadcast rights. What a complete waste of BYU’s new billion-dollar broadcast house. We’ll get to watch grainy, high-school quality broadcasts of games on the mtn. (assuming you can even get the mtn. — I can’t), rather than HD, ESPN-quality broadcasts via BYU’s own broadcast facilities. This is a total slap in the face to BYU..

  • Jesqny
    Aug. 27, 2010 1:15 p.m.

    Watching the all of the infighting over BYU's floundering football program is more entertaining than watching them actually play football. I'm guessing that there will be plenty more cougar cat fighting over the next couple of years as the program fades into obscurity. Keep it coming!

  • casual observer
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:48 p.m.

    "Ethics" debates are a farce. Those supposed moralists who castigate BYU would criticize the Y for getting out of bed in the morning. Come off the indignation bit, it's getting old.

  • Captain L
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:45 p.m.

    Re CRB: :Your speaking alittle too soon, wait and see what happens before you spout your negativism about BYU and how well they are thought of.

  • RR
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:36 p.m.

    More rumors. How about we get some "for sures" before we rant off another useless article about possibilities. It's getting really old. As always, making a deal with USU is pointless. What USU team has won a championship besides bball in the last 10 years? BYU won about 9 last year alone. I just don't see any logic in joining forces with USU.

  • Degrand
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:32 p.m.

    Where is the email about Utah State getting invited to MWC? Nothing? Really? USU lied about the invite!

  • LAJazzFan
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:31 p.m.

    1) Work out a football deal with the Big East and a Western Division of good football, media and basketball teams (BYU, TCU, AFA, Boise St, Houston, SDSU, UNLV and NM); or
    2) Create a new 8 member football/media BCS AQ conference (BYU, Boise, TCU, AFA, Houston, NV, FSU, Tulsa), realizing that it won't be a strong basketball conference.

    Either approach opens the door to ESPN/major network, and BYUtv.

    Otherwise, BCS dreams in 2013 not going to happen, and exposure and money will be limited.

  • LAJazzFan
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:28 p.m.

    I am a church member, BYU alum, and BYU fan. I am not a troll.

    The quote "I talked to BYU reps several times over the weekend and they are getting close to finalizing the deal with ESPN. ... It appears BYU is prepared to go forward despite not getting the exact number they were hoping for." Speaks volumes to me.

    Although BYU and many of the fans would like to think that they are on par with USC, Ohio St, Texas and Notre Dame, in fact, BYU is probably more on par with Wisconsin, Iowa, Texas Tech and Stanford. Good company, but not enough to support football independence.

    Does BYU deserve to be in a BCS conference given their on-the-field success and tradition? Absolutely. Will they? Not with this approach or several of the members of the MWC dragging them down.

    Assuming a Big 12 invite is not forthcoming, BYU needs to either:

  • Captain L
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:25 p.m.

    Re LiveHard: What is your problem? BYU & Utah State did nothing wrong, again what is your problem? To discuss and plan and try to arrange a better situation is a good thing not a bad thing like you would like to depict. Fresno State was in on it too, they are the ones you should be criticising, they are the ones that were dishonest and reneged on a deal they had agreed upon and signed for. Yet you don't seem to want to find fault or criticise them. What is the deal? You just hate BYU and anything or anyone that supports them. Your sad!!! Not only are you sad but you don't have the character to stand up for what is right or admit when you are wrong. You just want to find fault with BYU even if they haven't done anything wrong. Shame on you for your false accusations.

  • MenaceToSociety
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:17 p.m.

    Utah + Pac 12 = PASS

    BYU + "The Project" = FAIL

  • Mike W
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:14 p.m.

    CBR really wrote the best piece I've seen yet on this situation... clearly BYU isn't the national draw they thought they were.

  • Independent
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:13 p.m.

    "BYU was negotiating with the WAC while they were involved in MWC expansion discussions but when the vote to get Fresno and Nevada came up BYU didn't even show up to the conference call."

    This was not unethical. It would have been unethical if they had voted at all. Obstaining was the ethical thing to do. You contradicted yourself. How could they have been involved in MWC expansion discussions when they didn't show up to the conference call? Fresno and Nevada weren't even invited until rumors leaked that BYU was about to go independent, making any disclosure of BYU's intentions moot. There is nothing unethical about exploring other options before you up and leave the conference, which is all BYU did.

  • KSDBN
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:11 p.m.

    CRB, hilarious! I forwarded this to my 20 bestest friends in the whole wide world and we had a 10 minute laugh-fest. Thank you, my friend, for helping us all kick off the weekend with a real hootinanny of a lunch-time laugh! Regards and best of luck on another 30 years of buying and selling fictional companies! Don't forget to collect 200 bucks as you go past boardwalk and park place!

  • Dr. Vinny Boombahtz
    Aug. 27, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    Okay BYU, let's see what you represent. USU turned down the MWC to stand by the verbal agreements with BYU. Now BYU has the opportunity to go back to the MWC relativley unscathed - save a little egg on their face - and leave USU hanging, or they can stand by USU and demand they come in with them. Finally, they can stand by USU and go to the WAC with some other watered down team.

    Does the LDS Church really believe in standing by their word, or do they look out for only themselves?

  • IdahoCougarFan
    Aug. 27, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    I agree with "Independent" and feel that Fresno State and Nevada are getting off free and clear after making their decisions. How come nobody is talking about ethics with them, at least FSU? BYU has not left the conference and has not broken any legal agreements which were signed. Their intention is the same as all MWC schools, including BSU. If greater coverage was granted all MWC schools will benefit from it. Other MWC schools are being silent and want what BYU is requesting. They are too afraid to make a stand for it and leave BYU to be the lightning rod for all criticisms. If the desire was granted they would be grateful for the Y's push and benefit from it greatly.

  • Elgabacho
    Aug. 27, 2010 11:39 a.m.

    @IBleedCrimson - Agreed. Its not bad thing to admit. This is about Utah. It's not about the now and trying to say who is better or worse off, but it's about the future. 10 years down the road the effects of Utah in the Pac10 and BYU staying the same as they are now will have visible consequences.

    @ouisc - Not sure if you are trolling or if I just don't understand what you are saying but I'll respond.

    "their [BYU] football team deserves to be in a big bowl" - Yes they do if they can show it the field, not by using TV contracts.

  • Uteology
    Aug. 27, 2010 11:37 a.m.

    Independent | 10:22 a.m. Aug. 27, 2010
    I still fail to see how BYU did anything wrong or sneaky here. They are under no obligation to stay in the MWC as long as they give notification by Sept.

    ---------

    BYU was negotiating with the WAC while they were involved in MWC expansion discussions but when the vote to get Fresno and Nevada came up BYU didn't even show up to the conference call.

    That at the very least unethical.

    That "vote" conference call would have been a great time for BYU to confess to the MWC that:

    We cannot vote on Fresno and Nevada because of "conflict of interests" since we have "The Project" still in negations with the WAC.

    BYU also tried to undermine the MWC by requiring a $5 million buyout which made it more difficult, not impossible, for the MWC to raid the WAC.

  • Dave from Taylorsville
    Aug. 27, 2010 11:31 a.m.

    Ladies and gentlemen-

    As we are going through this varied circus of a comment board. . . please disregard such smoke and mirror shenanigans as those from CRB. They plod though these boards from time to time, dressed as the wise old wizard (ala 30 years of selling and buying over 150 companies), but are rotten wolves ready to taint the well water with their puke.

    Cougar fans and Utes, Aggies and whom ever. . . the facts tell things much differently than CRB presents them. BYU is a nationally recognized STRONG football program. Please read recent articles from ESPN, Rivals and Sporting News to see how the national media sees the cougars. Plus, recent home at home schedule additions will also bare this out.

    CRB, who ever you are, go back to the hole you crawled out of.

  • Ibleedcrimson
    Aug. 27, 2010 11:04 a.m.

    In the immortal words of Lloyd:

    "WE'VE LANDED ON THE MOON!"

  • Independent
    Aug. 27, 2010 10:22 a.m.

    I still fail to see how BYU did anything wrong or sneaky here. They are under no obligation to stay in the MWC as long as they give notification by Sept. 1. They have not breached any agreements. They haven't even done anything. What is sneaky is Fresno State's departure from the WAC after they had signed a memorandum of understanding. Nevada didn't sign anything, but given the fact they were part of BYU's negotiations with the WAC and appeared to be on board, they could have discussed the matter with BYU before switching conferences.

  • wayne
    Aug. 27, 2010 10:01 a.m.

    Royal blue that is a pipe dream. and besides why include USU over Fresno St. or Colorado St. that doesn't make since. not including Wyoming is a given in your scenario.

    having a conference that is built around broadcasting BYU only and then turn around and have a seperate deal with the conference will not sale at ESPN. the only why BYU in a conference would get a deal would be a conference deal. otherwise BYU would be better off in the west coast conference and independent in football.

  • Bridges
    Aug. 27, 2010 9:51 a.m.

    We should all just wait to see what happens in the end. That's all that really matters.

  • Ibleedcrimson
    Aug. 27, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    How can you not admit there is an element of keeping up with Utah, it's not an outrageous thing, it doesn't make BYU inferior in any way.

    The Utes going to the PAC10 does create some competitive dissadvantafes for BYU, (revenue, recruting), they would not be a top program if they didn't try to rectify the situation.

    You can argue all you want about their methods and the results but the bottom line is Utah going to the PAC10 was one of the catalysts for this change.

    Quit trying to bring moral equilvalency or one program being inferior/superior into the discussion. It's simply a matter of trying to remain competitive with your rival.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 27, 2010 9:35 a.m.

    CBR,

    You bring up a real good point. If for example, Texas decided to go independent and jump to lesser conference in all other athletics than football, Do you think any of the lesser conference members would have quickly jumped to the BIG12. No. They would have seen the value of being associated with Texas.

    Clearly Fresno and Nevada weighed the “market value” of BYU and the MWC — and chose the MWC (including the 5mm penalty). Very, very telling isn’t it.

  • GaryS
    Aug. 27, 2010 9:18 a.m.

    RE: royalblue

    Interesting idea to create a new conference with more TV freedom, containing only the teams we like and abandoning the conference that is falling apart around us.

    However, didn't we already do that 12 years ago, with almost exactly the same teams?

    How do you think it would turn out differently this time? I'm not criticizing, just asking for your thoughts.

  • Johnny Triumph
    Aug. 27, 2010 9:09 a.m.

    Welty's obviously a serious piece of work, even saddling the debt-ridden State of California with another $5M purchase. All for what?

    So say BYU continues down the WAC road? Fresno and Nevada will have one common year with BYU in the WAC, but then what for BYU? I'd say that either:
    1) BYU forms a new conference with an ESPN/BYU-TV agreement that looks similar to the 1980s WAC (BYU, Hawaii, USU, UNLV, SDSU, AFA, CSU, UTEP) or
    2) BYU bides its time until the Big12 wants another football championship game and invites BYU.

    BYU's silence plays to their advantage. Whatever they decide will be the right choice for the University and the Church.

  • BYU, Now Serving Humble Pie
    Aug. 27, 2010 9:01 a.m.

    I really don't think BYU could have done a more terrible job going about leaving the MWC than it did last week.

  • ouisc
    Aug. 27, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    Seriously, BYU started the WAC with the best of the little people only to be disappointed. BYU started the MWC with the best of the little people only to be disappointed. The Y should just go independent and be done with the little people, already!

  • ouisc
    Aug. 27, 2010 8:47 a.m.

    I just don't understand BYU. Their athletic programs are superior to all others in the west, they generate more money than any other collegiate athletic program in the west, and their football team deserves to be in a big bowl every year. Why would they even want to associate with the little people in the WAC or MWC?

  • CRB
    Aug. 27, 2010 8:42 a.m.

    In 30 years of selling and buying over 150 companies there is one truth that is always the same. No matter what you think your value is and why, the only way to determine your real value is by what someone is willing to pay for you. In BYU's case they discovered this past 3 months and especially this past 2 weeks that their value is much lower than what they thought and only a fraction of what the fans thought. This is especially true of their footbal program which has been on a gradual slide nationally since the early 1990's and during the past 10 years (the BCS Era) they have been in freefall as programs galore have become BCS teams like UCONN, South Florida, Louisville, Cincinnati, Rutgers and now the biggest slap, Utah. This desperate act ignored the fact that other parties always have alternatives and the MWC, as bad as it is and it is a dead man walking, had options that trumped a school with little value nationally to anyone. If BYU was really the big dog they could have like Texas brought others with them. But they stand alone with little worth today.

  • wayne
    Aug. 27, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    live hard.

    isn't it a bit of a long way around to criticize the church? its all talk until the ink in dry. everything else until then is just talk.

    Ill step forward and say that Utah state showed integrity in not joining the MWC to a fault.

    BYU joining the WAC idea was serving USU more than anyone else. They (USU) thought that they had secured the deal that is why they turned down the invitation to join the MWC but USU did not close the deal. having BYU in the same conference is more valuable than leaving for the MWC, a better conference, and have the possibility of BYU leaving.

    all things are well in love, war and negotiations.

  • royalblue
    Aug. 27, 2010 7:52 a.m.

    BYU and Utah State should partner to create a new conference with a deal similar to the WAC model, but with BYU a full-fledged member in all sports.

    BYU
    Utah State
    Boise State
    Air Force
    TCU
    New Mexico
    UNLV
    San Diego State

    A very strong conference in basketball and a conference that would at least have a good chance of becoming an AQ conference in football.

    Give BYU rights and revenue from all BYU home games, OOC games, and bowl games, in exchange for BYU giving up live broadcast rights to all BYU conference away games and bowl games that other conference teams play in.

    BYU would retain the rights to re-broadcast any BYU game and any conference away games that weren't broadcast by the conference's television partner.

    BYU would also agree to broadcast other conference sports on BYU-TV such as baseball, softball, volleyball, and basketball.

    The conference and BYU could have separate contracts with ESPN.

    A win-win situation for all conference members.

  • Pipes
    Aug. 27, 2010 7:51 a.m.

    The one glaring problem with the entire conference boils down to commissioner Craig Thompson. How do we get rid of this guy? He is a total joke!

  • cval
    Aug. 27, 2010 7:33 a.m.

    This is all information that we have known for close to a week.

    Lets wait until we have something new to write about before the next article.

  • tyndale1
    Aug. 27, 2010 7:23 a.m.

    This is a good example of just how difficult change is. No matter how bad the present is, like little crabs. we fight to keep anyone from changing the status quo.

    "Get back down here. We can't rock the boat. It might change the direction of everything."

    But we are going the wrong way. You know that.

    Shut up and sit down and enjoy the ride.

    But we are going the wrong way.

    Maybe so, but enjoy the view.

    Sorry, I need to get off.

    The same type of opposition would have kept the Bible from being translated into English, but someone took the oar and started rowing against the current. Change is difficult, but sometimes it is also necessary.

  • DC
    Aug. 27, 2010 6:28 a.m.

    Xpat - agreed. If this is what was written in an email, let's see it, or at least report it that way. The way Ebor nhas written this article definitely makes you think this was just his opinion. BYU needs no help in keeping up with the Utes visibility.

  • Bugoff
    Aug. 27, 2010 6:19 a.m.

    What makes the most sense right now is to form a new league, made for TV. Or to create a Western Division of the Big East if that can be sold to the Big East.

    Even if there were only a few starting teams in the West Division it could greatly enhance the overall Big East TV revenue and give ESPN the Western foot print it needs AF, TCU and BYU would be very good TV draws for ESPN when playing Big East teams. Home games would fit the later time slot. As long as BYU could broadcast anything ESPN did not it would be a winner for all involved.

  • Veracity
    Aug. 27, 2010 4:41 a.m.

    To Live Hard...nice try...dream on!

  • SportsFan
    Aug. 27, 2010 1:57 a.m.

    There was a time when a man's word was his bond. Unfortunately, Fresno State President John Welty's word was only a good as a junk bond -- worthless.

    As long as the WAC survives, Fresno State won't be able to the MWC before 2013, since they already missed the July 1st deadline to declare their intentions to leave the conference.

    It's likely that BYU, and possibly several other MWC teams could be gone before the Bulldogs ever play a game in the MWC. Wouldn't it be ironic if FSU and NVR arrived in the MWC to find essentially the same conference they left behind in the WAC, only with a different name and with Craig Thompson still as commissioner and the MTN still as their broadcast partner. They all deserve each other.