This same sort of ridiculous moral panic followed the advent of rock music and
comic books.We're never going to learn, are we?
I don't get this... Parents will go into a Video Game Store with there children,
The children cry because they want a rated M game that there friends parents
bought for them, So the kids scream and the parents buy it for them... As an
avid gamer I find it very funny that when I get into a First Person Shooter
online in a War Game that the only people that ever talk are Children... You are suppose to be 18 to buy the game for a reason, Parents disobey
that rating as if it never exists... I say make it tougher for the kids to get
the game!!Companies like Gamestop, Best Buy, and Walmart do not ask
for ID when buying a game... I could send my 3 year old in to get Modern Warfare
2 and they would sell it to them... Doesn't make sense to me at all!!
'The groups, in a news conference at the Capitol, reminded Shurtleff of Utah's
family-friendly atmosphere, and said supporting opposition to the law would
reflect poorly on that image and send the wrong message to country.' -
Article And yet.... ‘Utah No. 1 in
online porn subscriptions, report says’ — By Elaine Jarvik —
03/03/09 — DSNews Line:‘That's the conclusion of a
Harvard economics professor who tracked subscriptions to online porn sites. Utah
ranks No. 1 in subscriptions, according to Benjamin Edelman, who reported his
findings in the article "Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult
Entertainment?," published in the most recent edition of the Journal of Economic
Perspectives.’ We waste our time discussing this
non-issue. It is not the children who ignoring the rules created by their
parents. It is the parents.
@ TAGZZ: You just described why this law is ridiculous and won't do anything to
solve the problem - if kids have the games, it is because the parents are buying
There are two separate; yet, connected issues here. I agree with Pagan on this
one (which is a rare occasion by the way). Regarding the parents,
it's a non-issue. Just like the movie industry, I've seen parents taking small
children into some pretty sleezy movies; and, the rating system can no longer be
relied upon as a measuring stick. What was once rated "R", is now rated
"PG-13". And people (particularly parents) have become so desensitized morally,
that nothing shocks them, and pretty much everything goes. However,
there can be controls in the stores, that prohibit children from making the
purchases themselves. Like TAGZZ says, the way it is presently, I could send
in my 3 year old, who could make the purchase, and never be questioned.
And, just because a good many parents don't step up to the responsibility of
protecting their children, doesn't mean that we should do nothing. Because
there's a lot of good parents out there that are very much on top of things, who
guard their children well.
Shurtleff constantly represents himself to be "Utah's top cop." This implies
that he is against violent crime and sexual offenses. He conduct in this matter
proves otherwise. Study after study confirms that children who play
violent video games are for more likely to engage in criminal behavior when they
get older. In addition, they do worse in school and have problems finding and
keeping employment.In short, Shurtleff's conduct clearly indicates
that he cares more about securing campaign contributions from the entertainment
industry than he does about protect the safety of our community.
Nobody complains about laws ticketing parents for not seat belting kids in cars.
What's the big whoop about protecting children from vendors of filth and from
irresponsible parents to boot. Unless you can show me that violence
and smut make these kids better for watching it, let's just be practical and not
take any chances and make it unavailable. Dumb parents will probably
just buy this trash on Amazon anyway, but at least we try our best to send a
responsible message to our youth. Stand tall Utah.
@ Keith43: You and TAGZZ may be right - maybe you could send your 3-year-old
into the store to buy the game - but you would be sending her (or him) in -
there is an implied parental consent there. Face it - the demographic this law
is meant to "protect" only has access to the games through their parents
anyway.It is a ridiculous law that does nothing except increase the
size of the nanny government.
@ John Charity Spring: "Study after study confirms that children who play
violent video games are for more likely to engage in criminal behavior when they
get older."No actually, they don't.@ Jonathan Eddy: The
law does nothing about the parents buying the games. The law does nothing if
the kid has the game. The law does nothing if an adult friend of the kid is
standing at the counter, takes the money from the kid, buys the game, and then
hands it to the kid before they leave the store. The law simply says that if a
minor wants the game, an adult has to buy it for them. Kids under 16 don't have
jobs and can't drive and need an adult with them (or at least in their vicinity)
to get the game anyway. Kids 16 to 18 are going to know people who can and will
buy them the game. And stores don't have to ask for ID - they just have to say
the kid looked old enough. And, there is no enforcement for the law.It is a big government nanny law that does nothing.
I'm 40 years old, and Target had to scan my Driver's License to sell me Modern
Warfare 2. My anecdote beats your anecdote.
@Kass: We fine vendors for selling booze and cigarettes to minors all the time.
Let's have the courage to do the same with this garbage. A couple of stings will
go a long way to send a message to law breaking store owners.I know,
I know. Kids still find a way to smoke and get drunk, but how can we ever
justify making violence and porn easily accessible just because "they're gonna
do it anyway". Cops have to enforce unenforceable laws. It may be an
inconvenience, but in the name of decency, we have to do the the same.You deny that violence begets violence. My child psychiatrist friend says
otherwise. No offense, but I'll put my trust in his assessment.
For those saying that their children can go into any store and buy any game, I
am not sure what stores you are talking about. I have never been to a gamestop
where I have not been asked for my id. Stores follow the same policy that other
forms of entertainment do: They do not sell these games to minors. People
thinking that by opposing this bill we want the law to be that anybody can buy
any game, which is not the case. We want the agency to be with the adults, and
not the government.
@John Charity SpringPlease cite your references from non-biased sources
and I'm with you all the way. You can't just rattle off random "facts" because
some people are foolish enough to actually believe you.
@ Jonathan Eddy: You can listen to your friend - but all the studies I have
read, while agreeing that there is a correlation, have yet to prove any
causation.Many people who do not play violent video games commit
violent crimes.Many people who play violent video games do not commit
violent crimes.We have very clear, non-contested proof of the harm
drinking and smoking cause. We do not have clear, non-contested
proof that violent video games cause any harm.Before we infringe
upon the rights of parents to make determinations for their children regarding
these games, we need something more than correlation. And no, I
don't play violent video games nor does my child - but I know a great many
wonderful kids who do.
For those of you claiming that are stating you can send a 3 year old into any
Gamestop and buy an M rated game, you are wrong.Just about every
store already has voluntary policies to not sell M rated games to minors, just
as almost all theatres have voluntary policies to not let minors into R rated
movies.In fact, the FTC does regular studies to test the
effectiveness of these voluntary policies and they found that only 20% of minors
were able to buy M rated games. Gamestop did the best by blocking 94% of minors
from buying M rated games.As for all this, Parents have all the
tools they need to keep their kids from playing M rated games if that is their
wish. They can review the ratings of games their kids want and games their kids
bring home. Consoles can block certain ratings from playing on it. Parents can
take the consoles and computers out of kids rooms and put them in the family
rooms. There is no need for this law.
Apparently they are not in favor of the Constitution of the United States of