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Published: Tuesday, Aug. 24 2010 1:43 p.m. MDT

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This same sort of ridiculous moral panic followed the advent of rock music and comic books.

We're never going to learn, are we?

TAGZZ

I don't get this... Parents will go into a Video Game Store with there children, The children cry because they want a rated M game that there friends parents bought for them, So the kids scream and the parents buy it for them... As an avid gamer I find it very funny that when I get into a First Person Shooter online in a War Game that the only people that ever talk are Children...

You are suppose to be 18 to buy the game for a reason, Parents disobey that rating as if it never exists... I say make it tougher for the kids to get the game!!

Companies like Gamestop, Best Buy, and Walmart do not ask for ID when buying a game... I could send my 3 year old in to get Modern Warfare 2 and they would sell it to them... Doesn't make sense to me at all!!

Pagan

'The groups, in a news conference at the Capitol, reminded Shurtleff of Utah's family-friendly atmosphere, and said supporting opposition to the law would reflect poorly on that image and send the wrong message to country.' - Article


And yet....


‘Utah No. 1 in online porn subscriptions, report says’ — By Elaine Jarvik — 03/03/09 — DSNews

Line:
‘That's the conclusion of a Harvard economics professor who tracked subscriptions to online porn sites. Utah ranks No. 1 in subscriptions, according to Benjamin Edelman, who reported his findings in the article "Red Light States: Who Buys Online Adult Entertainment?," published in the most recent edition of the Journal of Economic Perspectives.’


We waste our time discussing this non-issue. It is not the children who ignoring the rules created by their parents.

It is the parents.

Sorry Charlie!

@ TAGZZ: You just described why this law is ridiculous and won't do anything to solve the problem - if kids have the games, it is because the parents are buying them.

Keith43

There are two separate; yet, connected issues here. I agree with Pagan on this one (which is a rare occasion by the way).

Regarding the parents, it's a non-issue. Just like the movie industry, I've seen parents taking small children into some pretty sleezy movies; and, the rating system can no longer be relied upon as a measuring stick. What was once rated "R", is now rated "PG-13". And people (particularly parents) have become so desensitized morally, that nothing shocks them, and pretty much everything goes.

However, there can be controls in the stores, that prohibit children from making the purchases themselves. Like TAGZZ says, the way it is presently, I could send in my 3 year old, who could make the purchase, and never be questioned.

Keith43

And, just because a good many parents don't step up to the responsibility of protecting their children, doesn't mean that we should do nothing. Because there's a lot of good parents out there that are very much on top of things, who guard their children well.

John Charity Spring

Shurtleff constantly represents himself to be "Utah's top cop." This implies that he is against violent crime and sexual offenses. He conduct in this matter proves otherwise.

Study after study confirms that children who play violent video games are for more likely to engage in criminal behavior when they get older. In addition, they do worse in school and have problems finding and keeping employment.

In short, Shurtleff's conduct clearly indicates that he cares more about securing campaign contributions from the entertainment industry than he does about protect the safety of our community.

Jonathan Eddy

Nobody complains about laws ticketing parents for not seat belting kids in cars. What's the big whoop about protecting children from vendors of filth and from irresponsible parents to boot.

Unless you can show me that violence and smut make these kids better for watching it, let's just be practical and not take any chances and make it unavailable.

Dumb parents will probably just buy this trash on Amazon anyway, but at least we try our best to send a responsible message to our youth.

Stand tall Utah.

Sorry Charlie!

@ Keith43: You and TAGZZ may be right - maybe you could send your 3-year-old into the store to buy the game - but you would be sending her (or him) in - there is an implied parental consent there. Face it - the demographic this law is meant to "protect" only has access to the games through their parents anyway.

It is a ridiculous law that does nothing except increase the size of the nanny government.

Kass

@ John Charity Spring: "Study after study confirms that children who play violent video games are for more likely to engage in criminal behavior when they get older."

No actually, they don't.

@ Jonathan Eddy: The law does nothing about the parents buying the games. The law does nothing if the kid has the game. The law does nothing if an adult friend of the kid is standing at the counter, takes the money from the kid, buys the game, and then hands it to the kid before they leave the store. The law simply says that if a minor wants the game, an adult has to buy it for them. Kids under 16 don't have jobs and can't drive and need an adult with them (or at least in their vicinity) to get the game anyway. Kids 16 to 18 are going to know people who can and will buy them the game. And stores don't have to ask for ID - they just have to say the kid looked old enough. And, there is no enforcement for the law.

It is a big government nanny law that does nothing.

murraydad

I'm 40 years old, and Target had to scan my Driver's License to sell me Modern Warfare 2. My anecdote beats your anecdote.

Jonathan Eddy

@Kass: We fine vendors for selling booze and cigarettes to minors all the time. Let's have the courage to do the same with this garbage. A couple of stings will go a long way to send a message to law breaking store owners.

I know, I know. Kids still find a way to smoke and get drunk, but how can we ever justify making violence and porn easily accessible just because "they're gonna do it anyway". Cops have to enforce unenforceable laws. It may be an inconvenience, but in the name of decency, we have to do the the same.

You deny that violence begets violence. My child psychiatrist friend says otherwise. No offense, but I'll put my trust in his assessment.

three11stu

For those saying that their children can go into any store and buy any game, I am not sure what stores you are talking about. I have never been to a gamestop where I have not been asked for my id. Stores follow the same policy that other forms of entertainment do: They do not sell these games to minors. People thinking that by opposing this bill we want the law to be that anybody can buy any game, which is not the case. We want the agency to be with the adults, and not the government.

Hossman

@John Charity Spring
Please cite your references from non-biased sources and I'm with you all the way. You can't just rattle off random "facts" because some people are foolish enough to actually believe you.

Kass

@ Jonathan Eddy: You can listen to your friend - but all the studies I have read, while agreeing that there is a correlation, have yet to prove any causation.

Many people who do not play violent video games commit violent crimes.
Many people who play violent video games do not commit violent crimes.

We have very clear, non-contested proof of the harm drinking and smoking cause.

We do not have clear, non-contested proof that violent video games cause any harm.

Before we infringe upon the rights of parents to make determinations for their children regarding these games, we need something more than correlation.

And no, I don't play violent video games nor does my child - but I know a great many wonderful kids who do.

Zachary

For those of you claiming that are stating you can send a 3 year old into any Gamestop and buy an M rated game, you are wrong.

Just about every store already has voluntary policies to not sell M rated games to minors, just as almost all theatres have voluntary policies to not let minors into R rated movies.

In fact, the FTC does regular studies to test the effectiveness of these voluntary policies and they found that only 20% of minors were able to buy M rated games. Gamestop did the best by blocking 94% of minors from buying M rated games.

As for all this, Parents have all the tools they need to keep their kids from playing M rated games if that is their wish. They can review the ratings of games their kids want and games their kids bring home. Consoles can block certain ratings from playing on it. Parents can take the consoles and computers out of kids rooms and put them in the family rooms.

There is no need for this law.

Schwa
South Jordan, UT

Apparently they are not in favor of the Constitution of the United States of America.

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