Yeah, could you imagine, SMU, TCU, BYU, Houston? BSU, CSU, join the WAC. Now
that would be one heck of a conference. Maybe try to bring Oklahoma State!
If I was BYU I wouldn't even give it a second thought-------------go for it. We
love you Cougs.
earlier I meant to type:upon further thought - the general idea of
Pierce's article is correct but the title or headline of Pierce's article is
probably NOT because I think TV profile doesn't mean money earned per school.
SportzFan,After reading several posts on here, I'd have to disagree
with you... to a point. I don't think that they should go to the WAC. I think
that they should band together in a new conference that has the elite from the
MWC and a couple others. BYU, TCU, BSU, Air Force, Hawaii, Houston,
UNLV...First if you have them join the WAC, they'd have the bottom
dwellers that nobody wanted to have that have been left there. So, I think that
a fresh new conference would be a better choice. I think that
Thompson is a horrible commissioner and should be fired. It was a smart move to
destroy the WAC to keep BYU from leaving. But then he lied about it.Get a brand new conference and you don't have the crappy commissioner, no bad
TV contract, no bottom dwelling teams... and you could possibly quickly get an
AQ status if you have high enough quality.However, I don't think
that there is enough time this year to get a new conference this year. Possibly
next? If only Utah wouldn't have left...
This is a great article. AS a true Ute fan I applaud BYU for looking to go
independant. They have their own network that I believe is HD and could
broadcast to their fans nationwide. An ESPN contract would be a great option as
well. I don't see an upside when it comes to TV revenues, recruiting
talent across the country by staying with the MWC.Sooner than later the
MWC needs to address the big elephant in the room. Their TV contract is counter
productive to the progressive sports programs these schools have. Looking
forward to seeing what happens next.Until then, I'm counting the days for
college football to begin. Bring it!!
BYU, TCU, Boise State need to band together go to the Conference that already
HAS an ESPN contract -- the WAC -- and renegotiate that contract. ESPN won't
want the WAC to fail, so they should be happy to do that -- especially if they
gain TCU and BYU in the process and get Boise back (small market, but exciting
football that people across the nation want to watch).
@mountains 101 - BYU started this long before "months ago" and has made no
secret about it. They have wanted changes and improvements to the TV deal for a
long time both for them and the rest of the MWC. How long were they supposed to
keep waiting in a conference whose response to their concerns has always been
that they won't make concessions for anyone?The revenue being
generated by the mtn deal is mostly because of BYU and they share the proceeds
with everyone else. In my view the Y has been very patient for years trying to
make a bad situation better and has finally given up. Name another
team in the MWC that could go independent and get ESPN to consider offering them
the kind of money they are offering BYU. If Scott is right then BYU
gave up 10 million dollars last year in order to be a team player in the MWC and
try once more to make the mtn work.You can only do that for so long.
Great article. The best I've seen and it's very interesting it comes from a TV
guy. Shows you how much college football is influenced by TV, which in turn
shows you why BYU is trying so hard to make something happen. The MTN is really
hurting BYU.I don't know how you got the 2 million figure but if
that's true it shows you exactly how much staying in the MWC costs.The only reason they aren't gone already is because they are trying their
hardest to found a good landing spot for all the other student athletes.I hope they can do it and I hope the # of games I have to watch on the
MTN will be numbered! Watching BYU on the MTN is no better than watching
Timpview on Iprovo.
The comments from Thompson are true if you accept the fact that BYU has not left
the conference yet. Of course if they leave they are worse off, but FOR NOW BYU
is still in the MWC. Wait until it's all done before closing the door on all
this. And for the record, BYU started all this months ago...
Let's look at this a little differently.BYU and the rest left the
WAC in 1999 for the promise of greater exposure and revenue by running their own
conference TV network. That promise obviously didn't pan out and so BYU is
investigating better options, seeing that ESPN and others would be interested in
paying BYU for games, and paying well.I agree that a network like
ESPN would be interested in airing games on the west coast, but I'm sure they
don't want a sub-par product either. A new conference of mostly original WAC
teams would make sense, and I think the MWC has no payment required to exit the
conference. But I'd think that it would have to pay off big for BYU to play
into that scenario...especially if their own efforts can pay them a bunch more.
BYU's concern right now is all non-football sports. If it were only
up to football then there's no way this would still be discussed.
This projected move is about MONEY and EXPOSURE! What the Mountain West was/is
offering is ludicrous.If BYU can make more in one ESPN game and not
split it, then this move is a no-brainer! BYU could get up to the $10 million
range and control their own destiny!Can they get good games?Even if they only got 4-6 games out of the WAC, take a look at the
following possibilities?Utah...InBoise State...InSeveral more from the Mountain...like NM, SDSU, UNLV.Now,
we're up to 8-10 games...without a sweat.Add in Texas, Oklahoma,
etc9-11A few from PAC 1-11-13We're not counting the Florida States, and so on from SECWhat
about with Army, Notre Dame, Navy?What about any of the rest of the
big boys?How about a few marshmellow teams to schedule.ESPN and the LDS Church wouldn't take this move on unless it made sense.
Hello?With their HD studio, etc, the Y might be turning good teams
away. ESPN covets their HD truck.With ESPN scheduling teams will
want to come to Provo..in all sports!
upon further thought - the general idea of Pierce's article is correct but the
title or headline of Pierce's article is probably because I think TV profile
doesn't mean money earned per school.
Thanks for calling Thomson out on his unabashed and selfserving disdain for the
truth. He gives the impression that President Samuelson (BYU) was on the phone
conference with the other MWC Presidents when they approved the move to invite
Nevada and Fresno.Craig, tap your ruby slippers and keep repeating -
"there's no place like home ... there's no place like home"
Pierce's main conclusion is absolutely wrong.The MWC might not have
improved its position of money earned from the TV deal per school in the
conference.However, the MWC definitely improved its overall TV
profile. Adding the Reno and Fresno markets definitely improves the overall TV
profile, even if its only by a little portion, even if the money earned per
school from the TV deal does not increase. Adding the North Dakota market would
improve the the overall TV profile, even though it would only marginally improve
Great article and right on the money. Thompson is and has always been
disingenuous at best...Also great to see some insightful and
intelligent posts after all the hyperbole and mudslinging that's been going on
for the last couple of days.
Hedgehog you are the only one I see with insufferable arrogance. Go back to the
u article, if there is one.
Fresno st is comparable to San Diego St. and Nevada is comparable to Wyoming in
attendance. Nice move Thompson. NOT!!! Pathetic!!! This does nothing for tv
revenue. If the reports are true that BYU can make 1.5-2.5 million dollars a
home game, then Why are they waiting? My guess is BYU is worried about the
As much as I love poking fun at Cougars it is true that ESPN very well may build
a new conference around a team like the Y. BYU stepped out and made the move to
free itself of the MWC, DON'T BE STUPID ENOUGH TO GO BACK. Go back to the MTN
WEST? Really? Even if you are only back in the MTN West in "other" sports it
would be completely lame. Andy Katz and others from ESPN have said some
interesting things the past week. They've alluded to a new conference. I would
definitely wait and see before saying anything, which to date is exactly what
they've done, so good move BYU. If you tuck the tail and head back to the MWC
you will become about as smart as Fresno and Nevada who basically went from a TV
deal to no TV deal (in low definition). Craig Thompson despite throwing a nice
counter is still no smarty pants, I mean even if he killed the WAC he is still
not in the BCS and he STILL has the lamest network in college sports. Versus is
better than the freaking MTN channel in low def.
Is CT a lawyer?...if not, he should be...what a bag!
This is the most intelligent article I've seen on the Mountain West conference
rumors. I guess all the sportswriters and internet bloggers just don't
understand the business of college sports.
All great comments. The one about ESPN being behind the creation of another
conference makes a whole world of sense, because they are losing all their
contracts. What is left of the WAC is now a complete joke, and with the PAC-10
signing their new deal supposedly w/ FOX, ESPN is in a quandry. They have always
had a love for what BYU has brought to the table, and was their darling back in
the late 80's and 90's when they consistently aired BYU games on Thursday and
Friday nights. Now that their more recent darling (Boise State) has joined the
MWC, and now under that lousy MTN TV package, they have no presence in the
western US. You can bet the farm that they were behind BYU's attempt to go
independant, and certainly may be conjuring up a plan to start a new conference
that would consist of AFA, BSU, BYU, CSU, TCU, Houston, UNLV, SDSU as a way to
maximize the best bang for their bucks, and with BYU's TV station could make
some serious dough (relatively speaking). I'm sure this won't happen overnight,
but just watch and see...
"ESPN is going to build a new conference with BYU."Joe
Schmoe,Your insufferable arrogance is Y the Y is so hated. The sad
delusional thinking that ESPN thinks BYU is worthy of its own conference is flat
out ridiculous. Mormons will watch BYU athletics, I get it — but your
time tested insecurities are showing when you think ESPN thinks BYU is worthy of
its own conference.Holmoe is being proactive it what everyone
outside the bubble already knows, The BCS conferences have no interest in BYU.
BYU will need to create its own happiness, but as history has proven, Kewgs
desperately seek the approval of the outside world.
Re SportsFan,I agree with you but I'd take it a step further. Why not get
the other big teams from the MWC to come over to the WAC as well. The MWC TV
contract is a killer and the WAC has ESPN tie-ins already. Neither conference
is good now, so I would pitich a new WAC to be a BCS conference...BYUUtah StateHawaiiSDSUFresno StateUNLVNevadaAir ForceTCUNMBoise StateHouston or
UTEPThis is 12 teams and elimiates any talk of other teams being
good enough to get a BCS bid.
Thompson sealed his own fate this last week.ESPN is going to build a
new conference with BYU.Wait and see.
Nevada and Fresno State would be much better off convincing UNLV and SDSU to
join them in the WAC, exchange UTEP for La. Tech and then renegotiate the WAC
ESPN contract.New WAC FootballUtah StateHawaiiSDSUFresno StateUNLVNevadaSan Jose StateUTEPNew Mexico StateFor all other sportsBYUUtah StateHawaiiSDSUFresno StateUNLVNevadaSan Jose
StateUTEPNew Mexico State
The MWC has been a joke since it began. It was a true blessing that Utah was
invited to leave and we can only hope and pray that BYU finds a way out too.
Thompson is following the same logic as the old 16-team super conference WAC.
Lots of teams in good places, but teams that played second fiddle to BCS or more
popular teams in the area. I would have found Thompson more believable about
the expansion decision as not a response to BYU's decision if they would have
added Houston, UTEP and or Tulsa. However, his target was only WAC teams. Most
analyses of expansion that I have read on the MWC included Fresno State, Houston
and possibly Tulsa and/or UTEP. Nevada was way down the list because they bring
nothing to the table in TV ratings.
Sadly CT only diluted the very small TV money by adding the two teams, and I
haven't a clue what inviting USU was supposed to do other than head off BYU. He
lied about BYU being involved in the voting to invite the three schools and he
lied about "being pushed" by Comcast and CBS to add new markets. BYU has owed
the SLC market forever, Utah along with USU are pathetically behind. Looking at
the news stories shows how much more attention BYU gets BECAUSE readers demand
it. After distilling the actions of the past two days, I don't know who did
worse the WAC or MWC. Nevada and Fresno haven't been winners outside their own
league, Fresno has poor B-ball and F-ball attendance but larger facilities,
Nevada has the NCAA mandated 30,000 seat stadium, but 20,000 a game draws.
Starting with USU the attendance has been behind the "must" 15,000 min for at
least 10 years, as has Idaho, NMS, with SJS being just over. I appreciate USU
standing behind their promises, but a more self-serving press release I've never
Pierce is right on the money, as always, when it comes to college football on
TV.Boise is a poor man's Utah and Nevada/Fresno are even poorer
substitutes for BYU. The MWC is finally paying the piper for it's horrible TV
and bowl deals.The moral of the story: Never, under any
circumstances, hire Bill Dole or any of those arrogant clowns on the Mtn.