From a BYU fan to Tom Holmoe, stay in the MWC. You're not going to get national
exposure playing WAC teams.
BYU is a powerful school. Like they're reporting in Fort Worth, BYU didn't like
the WAC, so they formed a new conference. Now they don't like their conference
anymore, they're trying to get out of that. Not many schools can influence
entire conferences like that.BYU has to have a couple of
countermoves planned outside of our perview. Surely they knew the MWC would
counter the BYU plan for football independence--heck, they were behind bringing
Boise State in knowing the Utes were high on the PAC-10 list. They know the
strategy.BYU is ominously quiet right now. The next move is going
to be big...
Ernest, SoCalAggie,USU was seeking their own self-interest as has
EVERY school in this soap opera. If BYU did go indie and align with the WAC on
non-football sports, USU had a strong interest in staying put. They acted on
THEIR self-interest to be aligned with a relatively powerful entity. They have
long been trying to be in the same conference as BYU and their decision to
reject the MWC offer was to help themselves and not 'show honor or integrity.'
I've not seen SoCalAggie on these boards much but I've seen "good
ole anything but Ernest" on these boards and he isn't naive enough to think that
USU acted out of honor. He only has it out for BYU.BYU has to do
what is in their best interest as did Utah, BSU, FSU and Nevada and as USU has
done as well. BYU will do well as an indie and will have no trouble finding
others to play that will rival their previous 10-15 years' schedules in terms of
strength. It is all about money folks. Please don't be naive or pretend to be
naive like Ernie is.
"sls | 8:06 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010USU could return to the Big Sky. It
would serve them right for leaking information to kill the deal with BYU before
it was sealed."Ummm. Wouldn't USU have to have once been in the Big
Sky in order to return to it?
BYU owes us and they better not forget it! Any move they make had better
include USU somehow. USU could have screwed over BYU in one-fell-swoop on
Wednesday, and the whole Nevada/Fresno thing would have been moot. BUT USU had
integrity, now BYU needs to return the favor and act in kind. We all realize
BYU got the short end of the stick and things didn't turn out, but leaving USU
out to dry for it's loyalty to the plan put in place will be a huge mistake.
There is no winners in all of this... but a bad situation could have some silver
linings for all involved if done right. Do the right thing BYU!
@utahcountyute - it's looking more and more like the Utes knew what they were
doing in bolting before this mess started. BYU and Utah were not content with
the old WAC and pushed to start the MWC. After the MWC didn't pan out they
investigated other options. The U got lucky in their invite (even though I feel
badly for them that they're now doomed to mediocrity, but that's another story)
and BYU was left out. There are some other good points here, though.1) ESPN needs western US coverage and BYU is a good starting point for
that.2) The Big12 will want another confernce championship game, and BYU
would be a great expansion candidate. Texas coming to Provo in a few years is
good validation that they feel BYU is a viable opponent.3) BYU-TV will be
an important piece of whatever happens. I'm Texas would love to get a good look
at how they've built it and arranged the distribution to 50M-60M+ homes.4)
BYU will make the right decision. Right for all sports, not just football.
Right for visibility for the Church. This is not just about football.
I really really hope that Coach Patterson knows something good.After
finding out that Utah State turned down a MWC invitation because they believed
everyone else would stay true to their word (ie Fresno, Nevada, AND BYU), I
would be pretty bummed to see the WAC disappear into oblivion taking Utah State
down with it.While previously I had hoped for BYU to stay and Utah
State to come to the MWC (which would be a pretty awesome conference), now, the
best I'm hoping for is for BYU to go independent and to honor it's rumored
commitment to the WAC. Hopefully, BYU will announce this decision soon too,
because that could really help bolster the WAC in finding two more teams to
add...Once again, Patterson, I really hope you know something good
that will change the landscape for everyone for the better.
Stanfunky asks the question: Why would they bother with MWC and WAC schools
that bring them little to no revenue?I don't know; the PAC 10/12
just did with their 2 new schools.
Smarmy comments by ute fans, what would we do without them?
"You just said that Air Force merits what? You're funny." - NehuYou
don't watch much football do you? Air Force always plays other teams tough. Over
the past few years they may not have the best of records but few teams consider
them a pushover. Only an uninformed fan would make such a comment.Our military academies always merit our attention and respect. From your snide
remark, you evidently don't believe this. That's unfortunate because they are
the men who defend this country and your freedom.
Scott: Typical BYU fan obsessed with hating Utah football. Seek anger
management classes my man.
Cougars -- BBB; SoCalUtahFanTypical comments from our BYU-obsessed
little brothers; keep eating your spinach and maybe someday you'll grow up.---------------------------BYU never left the MWC, so
there's no need to have to "crawl back" and the Big 12 could invite BYU
tomorrow, so your "Big 12 doesn't want BYU" statement is meaningless. The PAC 10
didn't want Utah until Texas officially turned down the PAC 10's invitation and
Utah was officially invited.Why are Utah fans still so obsessed with
BYU? They like to pretend that they've moved on, put BYU and the MWC behind
them, but the reality is, they're so obsessed with BYU that they hardly pay any
attention to their own team.Craig Thompson may have saved the MWC by
inviting Fresno State and Nevada, but what he really needs to do is save the MWC
from his miserable failure of a television deal.
This is coming to be a daily soap like on tv let's get back to college football
and season of 2010.For BYU to give the U of U rightful send off to PAC12 with
nice loss. Go Cougars.
byu was going to hamstring the MWC by bringing SDSU and UNLV along with them to
the WAC.The MWC then pre-empted their move by adding UNR & Fresno.byu lost that chess match.USU is the real loser in this. If there is
integrity in Provo, they will demand the MWC brings in USU right now.
Best comment in the entire article..."Or China may just write
off the U.S. debt."Made me laugh!!
The Big12 is trying to work out a new TV deal? ESPN could help put together a
super conference with the help of the Big12 and at the same time create a super
TV deal. They just need to get BYU, TCU, BSU and Airforce to jump ship to the
the Big12 and that would settle things for good.
This will all play out on Sept 1st.I know that everyone at BYU is
mum. I have friends in compliance there and they are strictly "no comment".As a Ute fan and member of the church, I am definitely interested in how
this plays out for byu.I'm sooooo glad the Utes were able to get out
when they had the chance!
Re: Rock Onnow that is a good piece of writing, finally something on
here that makes sense.Re: RValensYou just said that Air
Force merits what? You're funny.Re: SLSWho leaked
information from USU? Albrecht, Barnes? Unless you listened to Big Blue (the
bull) because you are into mascots and fictional characters I think you missed
on your assumption.
There is NO ESPN super-conference. This is a rumor with no factual basis. 1- The MTN contract would have to be bought out by ESPN for the MWC
schools to enter another agreement.2-Exit fees for WAC teams would
have to be paid, since Benson's likely to want his cut.3-ESPN isn't
powerful enough to force a super-conference or they would have done it ALREADY
with the best of the SEC & ACC, Big East and Big 10, or some other combination.
Why would they bother with MWC and WAC schools that bring them little to no
revenue?Let's see what happens by next week at this time, then we
can post to our heart's delight about it. For now, it's just commenting on
My what emotions and wild speculation from a rumor. To cast any judgment on BYU
when there is no evidence BYU has done anything... is foolish. Dick is right...
it's all "maybe, could be, might be and who the heck knows."So far
the only villains are Fresno State and Nevada. What clods to make a commitment
on Friday and less than a week later do a 180 (or a Malone 360). What a bonehead
$10 million error and Nevada Pres. Glick thinks the WAC will go easy on them.The only heroes so far... Utah State! They kept their promise in light
of an offer they really wanted and could rationalize easily. Love the Aggies
integrity.It was fun speculating the first day, but, now it is
boring. We're getting recycled opinion in the fish wrapping of speculative news.
The team who lost in this mess...is Utah States.USU, thinking BYU
will join WAC, turned down MWC.If BYU crawled back to
MWC...hmmmmm...nice going Holmoe!
USU could return to the Big Sky. It would serve them right for leaking
information to kill the deal with BYU before it was sealed.
None of this is based on fact. Everyone's guessing. BYU haters,
sorry to dissapoint you, but BYU has said nothing yet. Nothing. Everyone is
guessing that BYU's plans were foiled. Who said that's their plan? The one fact that has been established, is BYU and ESPN has an agreement in
the works. ESPN is a powerful buddy. Like it or not, the worldwide
leader in sports wants BYU football, and will work to get it.That is
essentially the only confirmed fact.
"The Big 12 could expand. The Pac-12 could expand some more."The
above scenarios are the likeliest to happen.Remove BYU and TCU from
the Mountain West and all you have left are BSU and Air Force; everyone else
merits very little attention.SDSUUNLVNevadaWyomingNew MexicoFresno StateColorado StateReal
exciting teams there ... eh!I can see the PAC-12 licking it chops to
pick up TCU and Texas Tech.
Perhaps, BYU will join Big-12 --Holmoe and Bronco would like that.
However, Big-12 does not want BYUMay be a better option for BYU is
independent and WAC. Seems logical to Kewgs. But, no, who will BYU play every
year now? Idaho/LA Tech/Hawaii/NMSU? No sure thing that ND will play with
BYU.What to do?What to do, Holmoe?What to do, Bronco?How about try to get into BCS the good ol' way? Like the
mighty/major Utes? Or like BSU, TCU? Win 12 games!!!
Thank you again UTAH STATE for standing up and shedding light on the scenario.
Seems like there were some foxes in the hen house.Utah fans put your
money where you mouth is, back out of the PAC whatever and stay in the MWC...if
not you have no room to talk.
Coach Patterson's comment that maybe we don't know what he knows is perhaps the
most intriguing comment of the day.
BYU, along with the WAC, got blind sided.The truth is that, out of
all these conjectures, the most likely scenario is that the BCS schools will
form their own league and render the NCAA meaningless.