Utah State declined offer to join MWC
Observation-ist:In answer to your question... BYU's first preference was
to stay in the MWC, but with additional football broadcasting rights. Football
is their (and most big schools') cash-cow, which subsidizes other sports. As the
biggest fan draw (and revenue producer) in the conference, BYU asked for some
latitude with football broadcasting rights with the MWC, since they already
owned 2 university TV stations and also have an affilitation with KSL TV.
However, most of the other MWC schools voted no, since they would probably lose
some of their revenue in changing the existing distribution structure. They were
being subsidized and knew it. They also voted down BYU's next choice...
allowing them to stay in the MWC except as an indepedent in football (similar to
their now tentative agreement with the WAC)... believing BYU didn't have any
other viable options. The WAC was thrilled to get them. Because of Boise
State's recent departure, BYU's only condition to joining was that the (then
current) WAC schools remain in the conference for at least the next several
years to solidify the conference's national standing. You and most others know
the rest of the story.
Bashing the integrity of USU and BYU doesn't make any sense in this case as far
as I can see. BYU was looking to improve its circumstances, so it explored an
entrance into the WAC for non-football sports. (Unless someone can tell me of
an instance where BYU made a promise not to leave the MWC, this does not harm
their integrity in any way) USU, when approached with the idea of BYU coming to
the WAC, welcomed it and tried to help facilitate it. (Unless someone can tell
me of an instance where USU promised not to have anything to do with non-WAC
teams' interest in the WAC, their integrity is not harmed in doing this) But
then we have Nevada and Fresno State - both agreed, with the rest of the WAC, to
stay together for the next 5 years. Immediately, both schools turned around and
stabbed the WAC, all of the WAC schools, and BYU in their collective backs. (No
integrity) And stop with the "USU sources leaked information which
led to this debacle" nonsense. Does anyone really believe the MWC didn't know
what was going on until the DN reported it? Really!?
USU continues to be the Rodney Dangerfield of college football. We always seem
to be a couple of steps behind which has led to having to jump off of one
crumbling conference after another.I believe in the current
rebuilding taking place on the Aggie field, just hope USU is in a viable
conference after all of the dust settles.
Scott Barnes of USU says the door is still open to move to the MWC. Why not
start making prepartions to go through that door? It wont happen but
perhaps the WAC could should disolve. LaTech would join the C-USA and everybody
else would merge into the MWC. TCU, BYU, and Utah will all have left the
conference in a few years anyway to chase after the BCS. When that happens Craig
Thompson will be fired and the MWC will hire Karl Benson as the new MWC
commisioner and will pretty much have the old WAC again!
I hope Nevada and Fresno enjoy having their games on the Mountain where they
likely will not be able to watch them like the rest of the Nation! Did they not
wonder why Utah and BYU were so set on bolting the first chance they got.
Finaly, do they think TCU is going to stick around with Utah and BYU gone.
Boise State could be the real loser in all of this!
Love that USU's program is so much worse off right now. Thanks for the boost
"Utahutes1" - I would expect that in your mind "Utah" has carried the mantel for
the WAC/MWC for all these years and they finally got tired of carrying it.Its interesting how we get so caught up in loving one team over the
other, that we can't even accept what the truth is. BYU has been very loyal to
Utah. Utah has shown the same loyalty, nobody every said was a wide sided deal.
It has been the MWC and the MTN that have kicked both BYU and Utah in the teeth
and shown no loyalty to them. This idea that BYU because they want to go
independent, makes them a bad guy is immature and wrong, and neither BYU or Utah
has done anything wrong in finally "getting there's".But this idea
that BYU has used and abussed the WAC/MWC during the 70/80/90s etc to make
themselves stronger, also shows your immaturity. BYU has been the backbone for
these two conferences. Take of your "junior high age blogger" glasses and be
willing to recognize what they have done for every team in this conference, and
recognize they deserve to move on also.
WOW! Utah State was THIS CLOSE to drastically improving their conference
affiliation. Now they find themselves in an extremely similar situation as they
were right before the Big West dropped football. I feel for them.And BYU screws over Utah State's conference affiliation AGAIN! Left them
behind when the WAC conference was formed. Did not include them when the MWC
was formed. And now they have destroyed the WAC conference. Good job, Provo
State. You'd think stealing Logan State's colors was bad enough.
Since Fresno and Nevada stabbed the WAC in the back and went against their word
and contract, perhaps USU can still come back to the MWC and accept that offer?
Benson said he would no longer enforce that $5MM exit clause against the other
It is rare today that individuals and organizations conduct themselves with
complete integrity as USU Athletic Department has done. Many profess their
integrity in spoken and written word but today, you have demonstrated it by your
junkie | 11:32 p.m. Aug. 19, 2010 "BYU has been extremely loyal to
Utah and the MWC/WAC since they joined the WAC. For a long time, BYU carried the
load and shared the wealth with the WAC/MWC."Exactly what loyalty
are you referring to? BYU carried the load and shared the wealth?? All BYU did
during the 70s and 80s was become stronger at the expense of the other programs.
BYU did not share one dime of its wealth with the conference.You
are correct, Utah is moving on and BYU deserves the right to do the same. But
good grief, BYU should do so without destroying an entire conference and
especially the program trying to help them succeed. BYU remained
loyal to NO ONE and has demonstrated that integrity is meaningless.
Dr. Vinny Boombahtz | 7:19 p.m. Aug. 19, 2010 Your words say it all.
Thank you Dr. Boombahtz.
I move into my dorm at Utah State next Thursday. Many have blamed BYU, Thompson,
and FSU/Nev for their actions; but i can only seem to place blame on the Big 10
for this. 1. Big Ten, unprovoked by anything but greed, takes
Nebraska from Big 12. 2. Pac-10 responds by taking Utah/Colorado from
respective conferences.3. MWC responds by taking Boise State from WAC. 4. BYU makes a move to become relevant when compared to Utah. 5. MWC
makes a move to remain relevant in BCS Automatic Berth Sweepstakes. 6.
Nevada/FSU try to remain relevant by joining MWC with Boise, TCU.and
finallly...7. Utah State, completely playing its hand honestly and
loyally, could potentially suffer greatly from this chain reaction. Every move
other than #1 was a direct result of a move right before it. The Big 10 was not
suffering, it was simply trying to create more revenue that it didn't really
Additionally, I don't expect many of you younger Utah/Utah St. fans to
understand. Utah was irrelevent for many years in football, and it was with the
help of BYU's success and notoriaty that Utah was able to pull themselves back
up and have major success in recent years. But don't forget what BYU has done
for you and the rest of the WAC/MWC when they were not successful. It is sad how this being played out. Its easy in hines-sight to say it should
have been handled better. Maybe it could have been, but divorces are never
easy, especially when it involves Marquee teams. Its okay to
continue to hate in fun, but remember, just because BYU is seeking its best
interest for once, doesn't make them immoral and dishonest. BYU has carried the
MWC, and it wouldn't be bad for them to show some gratitude in helping BYU do
what is good for them and the rest of the MWC.
This is truely sad what has happened to Utah St. but there is still some hope
for them. If BYU decides to stay in the MWC, that leaves one spot open for
another team, and I'm sure BYU will only pressure the MWC to reinvite Utah St.
to join.That said, all of you BYU haters have it wrong. BYU has
been extremely loyal to Utah and the MWC/WAC since they joined the WAC. For a
long time, BYU carried the load and shared the wealth with the WAC/MWC. They
easily could have been selfish and did what was best for them many years ago.
They remained loyal to Utah and the rest of the league. BYU owes nothing to the
MTN or the rest of the MWC. The MTN has already broken most promises they
couldn't deliver on when they signed the original contract. And the rest of the
league has kicked BYU and Utah in the teeth time and again in changes that would
only have benefited the hole. Now with Utah moving on, BYU deserves rightfully
to move on and act on the plans of going independent as they have always wanted.
Dr. Vinny Boombahtz Was Utah State part of a television agreement
when the Aggies left the Sun Belt conference to join the WAC? Did the Aggies
stay until the end of that contract before leaving?Just wondering.
Both Utah State and BYU have acted with integrity throughout this process.
Anyone who says anything to the contrary is ignorant, uninformed, or biased
beyond rectification. To the best of my knowledge, neither have broken
promises, mislead anyone, or violated any confidences.The same can
be said for Utah, BSU, and most of the other schools.The same cannot
be said, however, for either Nevada and Fresno State. Yes, they are acting in
their own best interests by joining the WAC - but you would expect EVERYONE to
act in their own best interests. Their double-dealings stand in stark contrast
with the honorable, ethical position taken by Utah State.Those who
think that this world honors the honorable is naiive and deluded. Honor is never
There's nothing honorable about USU staying in the WAC. They're saying that to
save face now so they don't appear to be so dumb. Think about it. The reason the
WAC members agreed to a $5 million exit fee was for that reason....if you leave,
you have to pay to do that. The ONLY thing they agreed to, along w/ Nevada and
Fresno, was to pay $5 million IF they left. USU simply doesn't have the money in
its athletic budget to pay so they have nothing to do but pretend to take the
high road so they're fans can't be so upset.The only argument I see
that can be argued to be honorable or dishonorable is if Nevada pays the $5
million they verbally agreed to pay. They should pay that but if they and Fresno
pay then they should not be give a hard time for leaving.USU missed
this one big time.
Hedgehog and Otis ... you're idiocy and hipocracy astound me. BYU was as
'loyal' to the MWC as the Utes were. If you don't think the U had discussions
with the PAC10 while acting in full faith with the MWC, you're more naive that I
thought (and that's a feat).I feel for Utah State. I would actually
prefer a rivalry with them over the U.Can someone explain why BYU
couldn't go independent in football and remain in the MWC for the other sports.
I don't want opinions. I'd like some facts.
I enjoyed your comments, 1984 for life.
hedgehog, what was BYU's commitment? Did they commit to joining a depleted WAC?
I doubt it... Based on Scott Barnes' open letter, it sounds as if BYU committed
to joining the WAC on the condition that the WAC stayed intact. Seems like a
reasonable requirement.On the other hand, UNR and FSU "agreed to
remain together as a conference for at least five years" and "signed a letter of
commitment". And then they reneged.You need to redirect your
frustration toward Nevada and Fresno State.
Hedgehog should do some homework before pontificating his judgements. The bottom
line is every single school is doing what they feel is best for them. And why
wouldn't they?Why would BYU want to come to lesser-ranked conference
without there being some sort of assurance of stability... especially after
Boise State recently left? It would be stupid for them to leave as a major part
of a solid conference to one that might fall apart without some sort of
commitment.Also, if hedgehog knew anything about USU's athletic budget, he
would understand that USU didn't have a choice in the matter after agreeing with
the rest of the conference teams to solidify the conference with the penalty
agreement. If none of the existing teams had left (as agreed upon last week),
then adding a school of BYU's size and status would've put the WAC in the best
condition it had ever been in. As it now is, USU could in no way come up with an
extra $5,000,000 within 60 days. It has nothing to do with loyalty to anyone or
anything at this point. Let's now hope for the best.
Utah State should do what's best for Utah State, not what's best for BYU or the
WAC. This decision will haunt them for a decade at least.Everyone
else is playing hard ball while Utah state is playing kickball and now they are
paying the price.
I respect USU much more now. They stand with honor by keeping their
chuckie wrote:"The sad part is the tears from Utah fans... "Tears from laughing so hard it hurts!! :)
Looks like Fresno and Nevada have got some dirt on their hands. Shameful.
Aggies aren't stupid and neither is BYU. BYU to old WAC was plan A. USU and BYU
are in this together and plan B will be new WAC. With help from ESPN (who has a
contract with the WAC) BYU convinces SDSU, UNLV, BSU, TCU, Hawaii, Air Force and
one other to go to the new WAC. With USU, new WAC now has 8 football schools and
BYU as an independant in football and a WAC member for everything else. The
"new" WAC's tv revenue with ESPN would increase with the addition of a So. Cal
market, the Vegas market and a Texas market and the WAC will easily be able to
pay these teams more $ than the MWC does ($1.2M each). BYU operates as a
football independant and keeps its ESPN and BYUTV revenue and schedules 4-6 WAC
teams every year including USU, BSU, TCU, UNLV or SDSU. and Hawaii (to pick up
the extra cash for a 13th game). Everyone is happy because every one of these
schools gets more $ and Thompson and the MWC lose.
I am very pleased to see the high integrity of USU. I truly hope karma is good
to them. BYU is not acting without integrity. They agreed to come
into the WAC as it is constituted with all members in place for five years.
Before they could it disintegrated. Don't blame BYU. Blame FSU and Nevada. It
would be a terrible, even suicidal move on BYU's part to go into that conference
now. I hope that both schools receive their just rewards and
prosper.A Utah man sir! A Utah man am I!!!
Otis Spurlock... "realize what BYU did to a school that stuck by being honest,
truthful and upfront."Au contraire, BYU has played this with total
integrity. It is not they who ran to the press, spread rumors, etc. They've only
commented on facts, not unconsummated scenarios or negotiations.There is no agreement with USU or the WAC for BYU to break. In fact, the
anticipated involvement of BYU in the WAC gave USU the best chance at remaining
in an in tact conference when Benson and the Presidents came up with the $5
million exit fee. Nevada and Fresno broke that agreement.While I
respect USU, their decision to reject the MWC offer had its roots in their own
self-interest, as it should. Why go to the MWC if BYU might be going to the WAC
in non-football? Staying in the WAC with the potential of BYU membership in
basketball, etc, was very attractive to the folks in Logan as well as Provo, and
would have been good for the state of Utah.
The Aggie mistake was trusting in Nevada and Fresno State. Both schools are
worse than selfish. Many have forgotten that Nevada backed out of a deal to come
to BYU after signing a contract. When they haven't yet signed anything, they are
much less to be trusted.I hope BYU joins the WCC. Playing Gonzaga,
St. Mary's, San Francisco, and Pepperdine is much more attractive than playing
New Mexico State, Louisiana Tech, San Jose State and Idaho. USU's leak of the
story on BYU resulted in just what they deserved, a betrayal by their own
Dr. Vinny Boombahtz: "I am really disapointed in BYU... They should stay a
member of the MWC until the agreement runs out, and then look to do something
else."Do you feel the same about Utah? They did not fulfill the
length of term of their agreement with the MWC either when they left for the
Did BYU advice MWC their plans? No. So they deserve to get punked.As far as USU goes they helped in raiding the MWC in back door talks, which
would have been the end of the MWC. So let's ask TCU fans how "honerable" they
think USU is. BYU and USU tried to destroy the MWC just like PAC-10
tried with the Big 12 but unlike PAC-10 they didn't have a plan B so everything
blew up in thier face.USU and BYU must blame themselfs.Thompson is the man! First replace Utah with Boise then pre-empt BYUs
if the MWC gets AQ status soon, then it would definitely constitute a mistake
for Utah St. not to have accepted the invitation to join the MWC. but if the
MWC doesn't get AQ status soon, then financially the MWC is not that much better
for them then the WAC is, assuming th WAC stays alive
Thlete | 6:08 p.m. Aug. 19, 2010Poor USU turned down the MWC a
little too soon. I guess that's what you get when you do secret deals with BYU -
left out in the cold.-----------What on earth do you call
negotiations between the U and the Pac-whatever OR ANY OTHER SCHOOL and other
conferences when decisions are made to switch?! They all have "secret"
negotiations. Every school is trying to position themselves in the best
possible situation. Good for them all. Let the administrators and
ADs work it out. Unless we were all personally present at the meetings or
viewed the secret tapes made at these secret meetings and we know FOR SURE what
was said and all the timetables involved, then we ought to just shut up!
livestrong | 7:21 p.m. Aug. 19, 2010 BYU owes them one. ===USU was stupid to break a story on BYU checking options...USU hurt
any chance of BYU "owing" them anything...I'm sure AD Holmoe is a
big fan of USU right now...
Otis Spurlock | 7:20 p.m. Aug. 19, 2010 Sad story and even more sad to
realize what BYU did to a school that stuck by being honest, truthful and
upfront.====It truly is a sad day to be a BYU fan. Can a school make a decision without approval from the board of trustees?Dry the crocadile tears naval, I'm tired of drinking them...Instead, let's see what happens between now and Sept 1st, the deadline for
DECISIONS!!!!====The sad part is the tears from Utah
silentobserver | 6:26 p.m. Aug. 19, 2010 It's called integrity!!! There
was a plan to help both BYU and the WAC. If only BYU would show such loyalty to
Albeicht and USU in staying firm for them. ===BYU cannot make
commitments without approval from the Board of trustees that are made up by the
First Presidency, certain members of the twelve, seventies, the Relief Society
Presidency, etc...BYU was seeing their options...Hate mormons all you want, but deal with reality...(I feel like
I'm taliking to Utes here)
So BYU wanted to do what it wanted to do, which included making so other schools
couldn't do (without penalty) what was in their best interest (ala Nevada and
Fresno joining the MWC- which they want to do). Seems a bit shady,
self-serving, and down right inconsiderate to the other teams involved. What a
fine mess this has turned into. You should read some of the stories in the Ft
Worth area papers; they are ticked royally at BYU. Maybe they should have
thought this one through a bit more and not tried to tie the hands of other
teams in terms of making the best move for them. What a mess this has turned
Utah St., I'm just sooooo proud of you. Hope that helps as your athletic
department crumbles and dies. Way to take one for the team... BYU's team that
is. Everyone in this entire process has acted in their own best interest except
the Aggies. To me that show poor judgement, not integrity.
"I think hedgehog has it wrong."Nothing new there; but at least he
has company in Thlete.I'll still be looking forward to BYU beating
the Aggies at Romney Stadium and in the Marriott Center this year, but Utah
State has always had high integrity and just moved that up a notch in my
view.Some of Utah State's fans get a little out of control with
their profanity-laced chants, but for the most part, the folks in Logan are just
good, enthusiastic fans.I admire the few who have remained loyal
supporters of the Aggies through several decades of mediocre football.Good luck to the Aggies. I hope you land in a good situation for your football
BYU owes them one.
Sad story and even more sad to realize what BYU did to a school that stuck by
being honest, truthful and upfront.It truly is a sad day to be a BYU
I am so proud of USU, and equally as disapointed in BYU. In today's society all
anybody worries about is whether they will be legally liable, rather than to
fulfill what they had agreed to. I have been party to many business deals, that
someone uses lawyers to get of legal liablity, but doesn't worry about
fulfilling their agreement.I am really disapointed in BYU. BYU is
currently in an agreement with the MWC which pays little money, and has no
exposure. It is horrible. However, nobody put a gun to their head to sign it.
The MTN, other businesses, and many schools made moves on the knowledge that BYU
was committed to be a part of the MWC. It is not right to not honor this
commitment. They should stay a member of the MWC until the agreement runs out,
and then look to do something else.I don't believe leaving is
honest, and I hope BYU reconsiders. Please don't let honesty be something you
throw away for money.Having an honor code for the students is
meaningless, unless the administration can be honest in dealing with their
fellow man.Stay. Please stay.
AggieIceCream,Will Byu honor their "committment" to the WAC? after
all it was the Kewgs who drew up all this deception.You know, force
all the WAC teams to sign a penalty clause to insure they can't leave. Nice
hedgehog totally has it wrong. BYU had nothing to do with the back-stabbing
that occurred here. Read the details very carefully. Because of this
treacherous situation, I hope the best for USU and BYU. This really all started
with Larry Scott of the PAC10 trying to create a super conference and failing.
This absolutely breaks my heart, but I couldn't be prouder to be an Aggie. Thanks Albrecht and Barnes for not selling us out. As much as it looks
like it right now, I don't believe that the good guy always finishes last at the
end of the race. I think we'll figure it out and be ok.
USU may have taken the "high road" with its WAC partners -- but it let its fans
and student athletes down in a big way.
@MESOUTE That is a disgusting thing to say about doing the right thing and
honoring your word. Integrity in this world is too rare to be mocked like that.
That being said...Karl Benson said in his teleconference that the $5
million buyout does not apply to the remaining six members. Hawaii is talking
about going independent and La Tech really wants a closer conference. Because
Utah State was the first one offered and because an 12 team conference would
give the MWC a championship game and a better shot at the AQ they want, I really
think Utah State could end up in MWC without having to pay the $5 million.
Integrity could payoff in the end. I trust Stan Albreicht. Anyone that can raise
$300 million in four years can talk their way back into a MWC invitation. We can
I was really looking forward to watching the Aggie Y game this year. Who cares
now. Go UTES
Hedgehog you are priceless. Are you a 10 year old kid? You think it was BYU
who abused their trust? Go ask your mom and dad to explain it to you.
This is certainly a day I am proud to be an Aggie. Kudos and respect to Pres
Albrecht and Scott Barnes for honoring commitments of this nature. Yes, we're
flying into a stiff headwind and the future is uncertain. And people will
criticize. So be it. In a day when everyone says that no one has integrity, and
then someone steps up and proves otherwise, it's more than just a little
refreshing. Good one for the farm boys!I believe we'll land on our
feet somewhere, somehow, and likely be better off for it. There's no need to
panic for a solution at this point. It's gut wrenching, but the conference will
remain intact this year and there's likely still a lot of shuffling left to be
done. For the time being keep your eye on the ball, WIN on the field, earn
respect, and work towards a profitable conference alignment in a vigorous but
honorable way. I have confidence we'll survive and prosper if things are done
right. And if not, is it really worth having?Thanks to Pres Albrecht
et al. Go Aggies!
Don't blame BYU. This is not about "integrity" on the part of BYU. The deal was
that BYU would join a cohesive WAC that had 8 members, with all members
committed for at least 5 years. Fresno and Nevada kicked the other WAC members
in the teeth and killed the deal. You can't expect BYU to keep its end of the
deal when the WAC didn't keep theirs.
I think hedgehog has it wrong. More like never trust Nevada or Fresno State.It's so strange... Why did they agree to the plan in the first place?
Clearly they had no intention on keeping their word. I hope UNR and FSU rot at
the bottom of the MWC for years.It's nice to know that USU
leadership has some integrity. They didn't deserve this outcome.
I feel terrible for USU. I'm sure it's little solace to say that it's
refreshing to see someone stick to their word, but it is. Best of luck to the
Whoa, that sucks.
I just became a huge utah state fan.
Man, Utah St. has earned my respect for staying committed. Fresno St and Nevada
made some ugly moves.Moral of the story: Never trust Craig Thompson
It's called integrity!!! There was a plan to help both BYU and the WAC. If only
BYU would show such loyalty to Albeicht and USU in staying firm for them.
Fresno State and Nevada have really demostrated their true colors in stabbing
Utah State and the WAC in the back.It's too bad that Utah State's
integrity in living up to their commitment may cost them dearly.I
can't see BYU ever wanting to be associated Craig Thompson again after this.
Moral of the story; Never trust BYU
It is nice to see Utah state has integrity in spades. Go Aggies
Translation:We would love to have gone but we could not afford the buyout
clause. Great Job by the part of Logan State.
Poor USU turned down the MWC a little too soon. I guess that's what you get
when you do secret deals with BYU - left out in the cold.