I hope this isn't true.
Dang, USU might have just sacrificed themselves for the Cougs unless the WAC can
recover from this recent death blow. BYU really owes them one.
"One thing holding USU back, aside from the $5 million buyout, was the role the
Aggies were playing as a friend to BYU in its potential move to the WAC in
non-football sports."Once again, BYU leaves USU high and dry. Be
careful, USU, who you call a "friend." BYU is looking out only for themselves,
you should do the same. How many times has BYU done this to USU now? This is
not the first.
Seriously doubt it.
USU, what are you doing? Forget BYU, BYU is going to do whatever they want.
You should have joined the MWC. Call up the MWC and accept the invite
Glad to see some integrity going on in the college sports management field.
Amidst the saga of the conference wars, I for one am proud of my Cache Valley
upbringing and my affiliation with USU. Count on the little university up north
to stand true and loyal.
Seriously? USU? Unbelievable. I don't see BYU hooking up with the WAC now.I'm dying to hear something out of BYU. I bet they're still working
feverishly to figure out what to do next. I wonder if we could see a new
conference - the best of the MWC, WAC, and CUSA could be pretty interesting.
Aggie fans will have more reason to dislike the Coogs than Ute fans if BYU
doesn't show the same integrity the Aggies have shown.Integrity =
BYU to the WAC in all but football.Who else is betting on BYU
showing no integrity in what will be a classless move where they end up staying
in the new MWC minus USU or Independent in football while
joining the WCC for all other sports?
BYU has sunk to a new low getting athletic advice from Utah State.Just fire Holmoe now.
It's official now. USU's AD has posted an open letter on the USU website. So
much for integrity. USU stuck to the agreement that they made with other teams
in the WAC as they all promised they would and Nevada and Fresno stabbed them in
the back. Try to do what's right and end up getting screwed over.
I'm pretty sure Utah State doesn't love BYU enough to sacrifice its future so
that BYU can get the deal it wants. Besides, Utah State will be playing BYU
annually in football and basketball anyway.The more likely scenario
is that $5M was too much for Utah State to pay out, especially considering their
athletic program was already in financial trouble (mostly due to football).
I'd like to see BYU pony up the $5M to get USU out of the WAC. It's the least
they could do. Well, BYU wanted exposure and they got it. They
have exposed what they are really all about to millions of football fans around
the country. How embarrassing.
@RealityCheckAs bad as USU is financially, Nevada and Fresno are in much
worse positions and they found the money. They made a deal with 8 other schools
and didn't want to be the one to stab everyone in the back. Fresno and Nevada
had no problem doing that though. I know that integrity and ethics are a rare
thing today and it's good to see someone still has them even if they don't get
Integrity = BYU to the WAC (Football Independent)Who else is betting
against integrity? Over the years USU fans have more reason to dislike the Coogs
than U fans have.We'll see which University is classless real soon when
BYU opts to either stay with the MWC or move to the WCC for all but football.
Archie, Did you read Scott Barnes' statement? I dislike BYU as much as anyone
but it was Fresno and Nevada who left USU high and dry. BYU was headed to the
WAC, except for football but the defections of FSU and UNR halted that.
USU showed integrity and it is nice to see. The deal was all but done according
to Carl Benson and Fresno and Nevada ruined it. I feel really bad for USU
because they are likley to get screwed in all of this. Same for Hawaii.Sadly they probably did not have 5 mill to spare up in Logan.
If this is true, I will never give another cent to USU. The people who made
this decision are idiots.For how many years has USU pleaded and
tried to get an invite to a better conference, and they turn it
down...unbelieveable. Just can't believe it.Welcome to 1-AA
football - here's your schedule:Idaho StateWeber StateMontanaMontana StateSac StPortland StDirectional WAMakes me sick, absolutely sick.
There is way too little integrity nowadays - not only in sports but in all
aspects of life. I for one respect USU for upholding their end of the agreement
entered into by all members of the WAC. It is a shame that the administrations
at Reno-Nevada and Fresno State have no integrity. It would have been fun to
have BYU and USU in the same conference. Good luck to USU. I'm
hoping that things fall out their way.
Get a life Archie. USU and the rest of the WAC members were excited to have BYU
join. BYU did nothing to USU. Fresno and Nevada let down all the schools in
the Mountain West - including USU. Get over your bias and place blame where it
belong, with the two defecting schools.
USU's decision to stick with the WAC was based on their agreement with the rest
of the conference - which was based on BYU joining. It's Fresno and Nevada that
deceived everyone.The truth is that either USU was sucker-punched by
Fresno and Nevada, or they are just too poor to pay the $5 million.
Aggies aren't stupid and neither is BYU. BYU to old WAC was plan A. USU and BYU
are in this together and plan B will be new WAC. With help from ESPN (who has a
contract with the WAC) BYU convinces SDSU, UNLV, BSU, TCU, Hawaii, Air Force and
one other to go to the new WAC. With USU, new WAC now has 8 football schools and
BYU as an independant in football and a WAC member for everything else. The
"new" WAC's tv revenue with ESPN would increase with the addition of a So. Cal
market, the Vegas market and a Texas market and the WAC will easily be able to
pay these teams more $ than the MWC does ($1.2M each). BYU operates as a
football independant and keeps its ESPN and BYUTV revenue and schedules 4-6 WAC
teams every year including USU, BSU, TCU, UNLV or SDSU. and Hawaii (to pick up
the extra cash for a 13th game). Everyone is happy because every one of these
schools gets more $ and Thompson and the MWC lose.
Utah State...the missing link to keep BYU in the MWC for a 12-team league. Go
Love the comments. It disappoints me to see Utah State jabs at BYU. Although
none of us really know the truth about how things unfolded, it appears to me
that BYU was trying to help Utah State by joining the WAC. I can't for the life
of me figure out how that would have helped BYU. With the deal not done, Fresno
State and Nevada backed out and showed their lack of integrity, if the
conversations being reported are true. Now...once that happened, how in the
world would BYU want to remain a player in the WAC. Would have loved to see a
home/away BBall Series with Utah State but sorry...the WAC doesn't seem to be a
great carrot for BYU to bite on. Kudos to Utah State for giving their word to
the WAC and staying by it. I cannot see how anyone can be critical towards BYU
in any way, shape or form. It's obviously not over yet. Stay tuned.
My fellow Aggies need to chill on the BYU hate thing. I don't see where BYU is
to blame here. Redirect your anger to Nevada and Fresno State!!!
I can't believe that $5 million or some loyalty agreement kept the Aggies from
joining the MWC. What's going to be the impact on USU's reputation and standing
with other Division I institutions within the extended Intermountain West
Region-not to mention potential student enrollment, athletic recruits, community
and fan support, school tradition, etc. and whatever!! My guess is that the
negative impact of the "alleged" decision to decline membership in the MWC is
going to cost USU a lot more than $5 million!! If the "alleged" decision is
accurate, USU will be the laughing stock of every school in both the WAC and MWC
with BYU laughing the hardest. The Aggies have been trying to get into a
respected athletic conference for 40 years and now they decline an offer because
of some idiotic allegence to BYU or "soon to be defunct" WAC!!! INCREDIBLE!!!!
The bottom line is that the USU "brainless" trust kicked Aggie Fans to the curb
to stroke BYU and stay aboard a sinking ship. This Aggie fan of 40 something
years is an "EX-AGGIE FAN" Anybody want to buy some season football tickets
Simply stated. BYU has grabbed USU by the rear and kicked them one more time.
When will the Aggies ever learn. If you don't learn from your prior mistakes you
will be sure to fall into the pit again. When could the Aggies ever trust BYU? I
lived through the first fiasco when the Aggies tried to get into the WAC and was
blackballed by the Y and U. I guess the Aggies will never learn. I guess all the
Y comments about Aggies being losers were and are correct. I hope the Aggies
loose every football and basketball game this year.
Fellow Aggies c'mon, it's not BYU's fault. And if you think you could really
make better decisions than USU's leaders, then you're delusional armchair ADs.
It was a brilliant idea, but they were stabbed in the back by FSU
and Nevada. Kudos to them for sticking to their commitments.
byu had better make this up to them in some capacity.Of course it's Utah's
fault for being so attractive which started the dominos a-tumbling.
AggieFan74, Don't be a sellout. This was not about allegiance to BYU. It's
clear our administration thought Nevada and Fresno would honor thier commitment.
As a football program USU could and would compete for a conference
championships every year and with the addition of BYU in basketball it would
significantly upgrade the leagues perception and put us back to a two or three
bid league. Again, the decisions of UNR and FSU is the catalyst for the
collapse of the WAC.
LOL...you guys are delusional.Yeah, let's hate BYU for Nevada and
Fresno leaving the WAC. I'm sure that was their plan.Ute fans just
trying to find another reason to hate BYU. Oh, did I say Ute fans? Sorry. I
meant rivalry obsessed BYU haters. Not the same thing.
it seems odd to me if it was based on "honor" that Utah St. turned down the MWC
invitation to join. if that is a basis for honor then what is it called when
USU just a little while earlier was fine with brokering a deal to hurt another
conference (taking BYU to bring to the WAC)
USU isn't loyal. They will go where the best deal is.
IA Cougar are you kidding me. It wasn't Fresno or UNR that wanted to tie the
hands of other teams in terms of making the best move for their own teams; BYU
wanted to make sure the WAC fit what it wanted but showed no regard for the
other teams by demanding the other teams be tied to the conference for five
years via the 5 million dollar penalty. Fresno and UNR had ever right to leave
if a better opportunity came along or do you thing that right only belongs to
BYU? I went to USU and applaud their loyalty but at what cost as BYU is now
likely going to abandon them; showing some real class their cougars.
Aggie84You need to take a logic class, because your arguments make
no sense at all.It wasn't BYU that ruined the BYU/WAC deal, it was
Nevada and Fresno State who stabbed the Aggies and the WAC in the back and
walked out on the deal.BYU's deal, as reported by Utah State, was to
join an intact 8-team conference in all sports except football.Even
the WAC commissioner castigated Fresno State and Nevada for reneging on the
deal.So once again, please explain how BYU has any fault whatsoever
in breaking the deal.Your school showed incredible integrity in
sticking to their word. You should be proud of the Aggies instead of "kicking
them to the curb".Some fan.
Utah didn't start anything ETBass. The Utes just happened to be in the right
place at the right time.The Utes were simply lucky that some big
money movers and shakers in the Big 12 were able to convince Texas not to bolt
to the PAC 10 otherwise the Utes would be in the exact same situation as BYU - a
BCS worthy athletic program, stuck in a non-BCS conference.
How has Nevada and Fresno betrayed anybody? The deal was pay to leave, so if
they pay, they've honored their agreement. (And in the case of Nevada, there
may not have been an agreement.)
From the article..."One thing holding USU back, aside from the $5
million buyout, was the role the Aggies were playing as a friend to BYU in its
potential move to the WAC in non-football sports."The Aggies'
president, Stan Albrecht, had been a prime intermediary in talks between the WAC
and Brigham Young, the Star-Advertiser has been told."If BYU had an
ounce of integrity, they would join the WAC as agreed with USU. The WAC would
have a much easier task of filling the void with BYU in place. But no, BYU
steps out of the agreement with USU and lets them go down with the sinking
ship.Explain to me how BYU is NOT at least partially responsible for
USU's predicament. The BYU faithful have become experts at
deflecting blame and accountability.Yes, Nevada and Fresno left the
conference when they agreed they wouldn't. By the same token, BYU backed out
even though USU had their back as a "friend."Summary:Nevada -
0 integrityFresno - 0 integrityBYU - 0 IntegrityDoes
that clear it up for you jazzbball?
this is actually a good thing utah state doesn't have as big schools to play now
thay might be able to get to a bowl game and foght BYU for the basketball
IF BYU holds to their word and joins the WAC then I will have a little more
respect for them. If not, then I will have one more reason to dislike them. I
am absolutely disgusted with UNR and FSU though. Totally sold out on their
agreement. I applaud USU for sticking to their word, even though a move to the
MWC wouldn't have been a bad thing.
Plan B: Can you say 1998 again! BYU and some of the other MWC, WAC and Conf USA
Schools will be forming a new conference, probably will keep the WAC name
because of the ESPN TV contract. ESPN will be behind the curtain with their pile
of CASH! BYU gets to do their TV deal and everyone is happy. The Y will have
Utah State be a part of the new Conference, wait and see!New WAC:BYUUtah StBoise StTCUHouston UTEPUNLVSan Diego St.Air ForceCSUNew MexicoTulsa.Looks like a great Conference to Me! and everyone is happy,except
Fresno,Nevada and Craig Thompson
Archie, Archie, Archie!!! It's the WAC who can't make good on their end. When
Fresno St. and Nevada sold out to a bad Mtn TV deal, BYU plans were hung out to
dry along with any WAC remains. It's ridiculous that BYU gets blamed for
undercutting other universities whenever it tries to work with them. It was the WAC who came crawling to BYU through USU and BYU actually liked the
idea of playing USU along with 7 other WAC quality opponents in basketball, but
USU apparently doesn't speak for all the teams in the WAC after all, so at least
we at BYU are big enough not to blame UNR/FSU's lack of integrity on USU. Shame
on anyone who thinks that it is a lack of integrity for BYU not to sacrifice
itself now to a broken deal, which it never agreed to. It broke down on the
USU/WAC end, not on the BYU end.
If BYU stands by USU and joins the WAC I think an ESPN deal and a share of the
WAC's extra 10Mil they will get from Nevada and Fresno should be enough to
entice Boise, TCU and New Mexico to the WAC...and a WAC with BYU, TCU, and Boise
for football and USU, BYU and New Mexico for basketball should bring in plenty
of cash with ESPN...
Just Truth | 12:11 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010 Here..."What
reward does Utah State deserve for being a stand-up school with the WAC and
covering BYU's back as it explored options as a non-football league member the
past month?"Take it up with Dick Harmon.
Re:Just Truth and Mr Logic,Blah blah blah, while this is all
interesting conjecture the facts remain that BYU, USU, Idaho, Fresno, Nevada,
UNLV, New Mexico State, Wyoming and on and on and on ARE NOT BCS schools. So
WHAT are we all playing for? A good bowl game, right? Right? Look even if you
get a BCS game you are certainly NOT playing for a championship, you are playing
for a good BOWL Game, just look at the Utes, crushed, absolutely crushed
Alabama, undefeated season and what were they that year? Need a reminder? YES,
Bowl winners! Wow good job.My point being that all this WAC vs MWC is
stupid as neither conference really matters. All the in your face USU you don't
belong comments are so ironic but guess what NEITHER DO YOU.All the
underhanded and unfriendly comments from Brigham Young fans while expected and
very entertaining are quite lame because guess what BYU you are just as much of
an outsider as we are. Sure you have more money and more righteousness but in
the end it's all about the Vegas Bowl, isn't it, I mean really, come on guys.
Here is what went down, according to an insider with knowledge. Late
Tuesday the deal was done: BYU to WAC in all other sports except football. Craig
Thompson, the weasel fires a preemptive strike against it early Wednesday
morning with offers to UTAH STATE, Fresno State and Nevada. Utah State
declined because of their agreement, and the 5 mil buyout and Thompson moves on.
If this ESPN built WAC conference in the works fails, and Utah State is
left out as a WAC left over, I think Albrecht should be fired. Nothing is
over, I hope really hope being honest with their commitment doesn't cost them
their whole athletic program. I've put a lot of my own money in to Utah
State, and they had better get this figured out fast!And Craig Thompson
had better not be the new commissioner. Via text Thursday afternoon, "hold tight
this is far from over, and we will rise above all of this." AD - Scott Barnes.
We had better and I mean better not be left out in the cold, ... if we are
this is disastrous!
I completely agree with klasanasa12. If the fallout of all this is that BYU,
Fresno and UNR are in the new and improved MWC with the Aggies left to try and
survive somehow in a "soon to be defunct" WAC then Albrecht should be fired
without hesitation. You can talk about honor and commitment all you want but at
the end of the day the honor and commitment turns into stupidity and naivete.
Where is the honor and commitment to Aggie fans who have been praying for an
opportunity for the Aggies to join a conference with respected regional and
mid-major institutions like Wyoming, Colorado State, USAF, etc. In five years
when Romney stadium draws 1,500 fans to watch the Aggies play Cal Poly or Sac
State, or UC Davis, or whoever, nobody is going to care about honor or
commitment to BYU or the WAC. All that's going to be left is a the stench of a
short cited and enormously irresponsible decision made by Stan Albrecht and
Scott Barns-both of which will most likely be long gone from USU. Where's the
honor and commitment in that!!!!!!!!!!!!
USU turning down an invite to the MWC was a bad decision.Can you
imagine how USU feels? They do the right thing by trying to hold the league
together and their brethren (Fresno and Nevada) jump at the first chance to
leave the league.I guess they no longer have to wonder how it feels
to have a knife impaled in your back.I hope USU fans enjoy the Big
Sky conference; because unless something changes that's were they are going to
In the long run the MWC will be the looser. Their killer will be the TV contract
that they cannot escape or improve. The only reason that Boise joined them was
the chance that they might have gotten AQ status. With both BYU and Utah
departed that just wont happen. Watch for BSU to stay with the WAC which will
pick up the schools they need to stay alive and BYU will probably end up being
independent with their TV net and unable to schedule more than 2 or 3 games a
year that anyone outside of Utah county is interested in watching. Utah is
really lucky to have escaped this can of worms MWC debacle.
I applaud USU for keeping their word. Class institution and program.USU fans, there's no conference for BYU to still affiliate with. The plan
has completely changed, beyond USU and BYU's control (if that was the plan). To
say "BYU needs to show integrity and stick to their word" blah blah blah is
naive at best. BYU didn't change the plan, USU didn't change the plan, UNR and
Fresno did, no?re: NehuYou're missing the point by a
archie, archie, archie, from the article:"As part of the WAC's
conversations with BYU, the current eight conference members agreed to remain
together as a conference for at least five years. This stability was important
to BYU, to other current members, and would have been critical as other
expansion options were explored."I admire Utah State for having the
integrity to stick to the deal they agreed to, but the Aggies and the WAC
weren't simply being altruistic in making the deal. As with any business deal
(and college football is a business), there was something in it for all
parties.BYU would have fulfilled their part of the deal if the WAC
had kept their end of the bargain. Unfortunately, Fresno State and Nevada
reneged on their agreement and the deal fell apart.It wasn't Utah
State's fault, but it also wasn't BYU's fault that the deal fell apart. Anybody
who is intellectually honest can clearly see that the blame for the deal falling
apart rests squarely on Fresno State and Nevada.8 WAC schools for 5
years in all sports, except football, is what BYU agreed to join.
Barring a miracle merger between the MWC and the WAC, Barnes and Albrecht should
If USU was so honorable, why did the press leak about the move come from them?
Next time BYU needs to put all of it's discussion partners under a
non-disclosure agreement with big penalties for leaks. Between USU and the WAC
bringing in ESPN, this whole deal has become a nightmare that could have been
It's a sad day in Aggie land!
When USU refused the deal to join the MWC things we're looking pretty good. BYU
was going independent and would join the WAC in all other sports. They had a
deal with USU that they would play their annual conference weekend football game
which would have meant an annual money game a permanant fixture on USUs
schedule. The $5 million dollar buy out to join the MWC at the time made no
sense. I'm sure that when the invitation was extended that in the eyes of USU
they had more to gain financially by staying in the WAC. Had the chips fallen a
different direction, USU would be in a very good position. USU has
to be the worst example of being a vitctim of circumstance I have ever seen.
Now would be a very good time for the WAC to strick back and create a true power
conference by looting the best of the Mtn. West and others.. Use the ESPN tv
deal with inhancements with BYU broadcasting capabilities to get BSU back and
snag TCU and Airforce. This would be a nice counter strike on the Mtn.Conference
and would solve the problem of the miserable TV contracts these teams have at
the same time.
This conference allignment thing is driving me crazy. ESPN could clear this
whole thing up by announcing that they won't pay a dime to these conferences
until they align the schools into conferences that make geographic sense, like 4
conferences that esentially cut the nation into quarters. Those schools
then play out their schedule and the best teams go into a playoff. Every
conference gets the same ammount of regional television and time slot
preference. The same ammount of money is payed out to each conference, that
contract is negotiable nationally, but every conference gets payed the same.Television needs to quit being biased toward a handfull of schools and making
everyone else a wanna be... whoa, I just woke up, was I dreaming about
Face it; this is the most exciting chess game you and I have ever watched.
Anonymous sources and conference commissioners are making moves that surprise
and frustrate each other and entertain the rest of us.I find it
interesting that Utah tipped the first domino, but BYU, which is still studying
the game board, is blamed for massive disruption. This seems to validate Utah's
irrelevance and BYU's immense significance.
Re: CobaltI don't think it's up to ESPN to fix it. In fact ESPN
should stay the heck out. My question is where is the NCAA to step in and say
enough is enough and lay down some laws.I'm not BYU fan, not by a
long shot. But I'm having a hard time seeing how it's their fault. If BYU were
to have any control in the situation then BYU would be independent in football
and an affiliate in all other sports and there wouldn't be such a big fuss about
realignment and we'd have a very happy USU team.
Would you people please get off your ignorant high horses.USU didn't
bolt. . . not because of "integrity", but because THEY DON'T HAVE THE 5 MILLION
DOLLAR BAIL OUT NEEDED TO LEAVE THE W.A.C.Secondly- It's USU that
owes BYU over MANY years. Playing them each year COSTS B.Y.U. USU is among
the BOTTOM tear of the Div. 1 schools, and I mean "scrapping" the bottom. They
don't even have any business in the MWC. Thirdly- The way things
stand NOW. . . USU will be one of the "better" football teams in the WAC.
I can't believe that most people don't see who the true villain is. The MWC.
They got word of BYU talking to USU. So who do they contact first to mess over
BYUs plans? USU. In USUs eyes, the future of the WAC only gets better (with
the addition of BYU, and Fresno and Nevada staying). Understandably, they
decline the offer of the MWC. The MWC thinks of the next worst thing to mess
over BYUs and the WACs plans and they contact Fresno and Nevada. Unfortunately,
those idiots join. The MWC was on its way out and they knew it. TCU was surely
going to leave if BYU was gone. They desperately tried to stay alive by
blatantly messing over the WAC. Its rotten by all accounts.
Re: - LinusI agree with you on the part about this being an exciting
chess game.Though ... the attraction is more like seeing an accident
coming and then watching it happen in slow motion.Who winds up
deceased and who survives is yet to be determined? But somehow we just can't
take our eyes off the action.
I feel bad for Boise St. and TCU. They are quality programs that deserve
quality conferences. I suppose the same can be said for BYU (that was hard to
type, but truth is truth), however, this mess is at least partly of their own
making.Hindsight being 20/20, BYU would have been wise to have just
stood pat this year, cut some deals in the interim, and made their move next
summer. Maybe the thought of all that sweet, sweet ESPN money sparked them to
premature action. As much as I love watching them lose on the football field,
though, I hope that they land on their feet. Nobody wins if the Mountain
West--region, not conference--turns into winless sports wasteland. One
perpetually 1-12 program is quite enough for this state. No offense, USU folks.
Would love to see you turn it around.
"can't believe that most people don't see who the true villain is. The MWC."Aggie Bob, The true villain, as usual is tds.1)Was it not the tds who in the dark of the night forced the WAC to have all
their members sign a 5MM buyout prior to stabbing the MWC in the back? 2)Is is not the tds who put all the MWC programs — including the two of
the three teams that actually brought BCS Bowl national notoriety — into
jeopardy?3)Was it not the tds who forced the MWC to do what it had to do
to keep the conference viable and in essence destroy WAC? All because BYU
can’t handle Utah grabbing the spotlight.The honorable
thing for BYU to do is just leave and go Independent in all sports.
Ease up on Utah State for this decision. USU football is turning a corner, and
will even appear on ESPN this season. They will earn more money from these ESPN
games than they would for an entire year on the Mountain. The MWC is a step
backwards, and since USU is looking long-term, I'm sure they know that Boise
State and TCU will not be in the MWC much longer. It's the MWC that is
embarassing everyone with their stupid Mountain network.I'm glad to
see Fresno State in the MWC. Nobody has ever accused FSU of any kind of
intelligence, and they just bought their ticket into the land of football
obscurity. Sad to see Nevada shoot themselves in the foot, but what else can
This seems to validate Utah's irrelevance and BYU's immense significance-----This jst a guess but I think BYU wold trade one
PAC-12 invite over being significant and playing as a mid-major. BYU got caught doing back door deals and now has to mend fences or join the
irrelevant WAC or WCC.
Linus,Does everything have to turn into a bash fest? (I'm talking to
both sides). Obviously if Utah had stayed, BYU would still be in the MWC along
with TCU and BSU and we'd all be happy waiting to fight for AQ status. The Y is
a major player here, but it wasn't all based on them coming or going. If the Y
had left for greener pastures and the MWC remained with Utah, TCU, and BSU, I
don't think the sky would be falling like it is now.The MWC losing 2
big dogs in 1 summer is a huge blow. I can't say the remains are nearly as good
as what it was. TCU and BSU will be fighting most years for the championship,
with AF trying to play spoiler if it can. The other teams (including the two new
guys) are irrelevant at this point. I feel awful for the athletes in
the other sports; football will be okay but the other sports are going to be big
losers potentially. Poor kids, they don't have any say in any of this either!
Aggie fans have some sort of psychological need to blame others for their
failures. They've been blaming Utah and BYU for years for not getting into the
WAC/MWC. Now, they have the opportunity to get into the MWC and turn it down.
Incredible. Of course, they'll now blame Nevada, Fresno State, and BYU for their
situation. It must make them feel better somehow to always be the loser and
Uteology | 11:52 a.m. Aug. 20, 2010BYU got caught doing back door
deals and now has to mend fences or join the irrelevant WAC or WCC.Not sure why you refer to private negotiations as "back door deals." Would
you suggest that all negotiations be conducted publicly in the press?There is nothing wrong with negotiating in private and not announcing things
until the details are worked out. In fact, that is the best.
It is sad how USU was so in love with the mid-major down south than their own
If the contract has been broken, I think USU should be invited to the MWC. Its
major sports (basketball and football) are on the rise. Its a geographially good
fit, and the league may as well have 12 teams if its going to have 11.This is one BYU fan that would welcome USU with open arms.
Much of this banter is uneducated non-sense. BYU will not leave USU high and
dry in this one...they need each other at this point. If BYU stays in the MWC,
it will be with the stipulation that USU come on board as the 12th team. If BYU
stays independent, which is the most likely case, the WAC will become a stronger
conference than it was previously because of BYU's television capabilities.
Ultimately, I see a shift coming that will cause the WAC to become the MWC, and
the current MWC becoming the new WAC. In either scenario USU comes out better
than they started. We will have to wait and see, but at this time, the biggest
losers from all of this may be the MWC, as well as FSU and UNR. The Aggies will
be rewarded for their integrity, so you those of you so-called Aggies who are
hating right now should get get out some salt and pepper because you will soon
be eating some crow...we don't need your money, and I know many people who would
be glad to take your season tickets off your hands.
I love how Zoobies say it is Utahs fault for all of this happening... Get real
Yners, Everybody knew for quite awhile that Utah would eventually be going to
the Pac, yBU has been talking about joining another conference for quite a while
as well... You guys did it to yourselves, Leave Utah out of the discussion, It
is not there problem and never will be!!
DocSarvis,Why the sucker-punch generalization of all USU fans? Why
don't you state something useful in your post rather than attacking an entire
fan-base? Are there Aggie fans who blame BYU? I'm sure there are; that doesn't
make your generalization true. There are SOME fans of every school - USU, BYU,
Utah - who would fit into almost any negative classification you could muster.
That's a far cry from proving any sweeping generalization of those fan bases to
be true. There are also at least some (probably most) fans of every school in
Utah who are very good people. So do us all a favor and spare us your
evaluation of "psychological needs."
We have seen only Act 1 so far. There are many more Acts to go before this is
over.Money/Exposure is the key, and in this case Money/Exposure =
TV. That's something the MWC does not have. Inviting more teams reduces the
money even more. I read that the mtn. refuses to renegotiate the contract until
2016 no matter what changes are made to MWC membership. Such a small contract,
combined with the huge contracts BCS conferences are getting, is a death knell
for the MWC.I agree with topjimmy's comment that a rising WAC and a
falling MWC are now possible due to TV which could result in some MWC teams
jumping ship, and maybe BSU canceling its invitation. Or the idea that a new
best of the MWC/WAC/CUSA conference could emerge, which should deserve BCS AQ
from the start.
Do they not have any rules in the NCAA for teams or players who break the rules.
Seems to me that the NCAA should do some sanctions on teams who bolt from signed
agreements. Look at what kind of mess it is going to be to clean all this up. No
university should be allowed to leave a conference for 5 years in order to have
time to make the necessary arrangements. Once those arrangements have been made
the NCAA should govern them and take sanctions on institutions which break their
contracts with their individual conferences.
Stan Albrecht also stated in his letter that the WAC could survive with the
minimum 6 teams mandated by NCAA. This is incorrect, as the NCAA Bylaws state
that EIGHT teams are required. He needs to read up on the bylaws and then
re-think his position on the MWC.
As a USU alum, let me go ahead at this point, and puke in my mouth. We said no
Utah leaves the MWC and there's hardly a ripple. The MWC simply
follows through on plans that had been discussed for a couple of years and
invites Boise State, another solid football program, to replace Utah.BYU threatens to leave the MWC and there's a major earthquake.The
MWC goes into full panic mode and invites two teams that weren't even on the
radar. Just two more mouths to feed from a very meager pie.BYU is
planning to do what Utah in their wildest dreams could never do, go independent
with ESPN as their partner.Right after Utah's greatest season ever.
After busting the BCS for the 2nd time and beating Alabama in the Sugar Bowl,
who did ESPN turn to to create a made for television college football game for
the grand opening of Jimmy Jones Stadium.Not Utah.It was
Here's the key..."As part of the WAC's conversations with BYU, the
current eight conference members (excluding departing Boise State) agreed to
remain together as a conference for at least five years. This stability was
important to BYU, to other current members, and would have been critical as
other expansion options were explored."The question is did the WAC
teams make this agreement in good faith with the intention of making BYU
comfortable joining the WAC, OR did BYU require the agreement and dictate the
terms before they joined. As reported earlier, BYU used Utah State to help
bring them into the conference. If the latter, then yes...BYU
shares an ethical culpability in this mess. To simply dismiss BYU walking away
from the WAC because UNR and FSU reneged on their agreement is an over
simplification of the issue, I believe. We will never have enough
detail to determine culpability but BYU's role in this should not be casually
dismissed particularly in light of the damage that has been done.My
guess is that the WCC is right now drawing up a similar agreement requiring the
member schools stay with the conference.
royalblue | 8:33 p.m. Aug. 20, 2010 Utah's departure from the MWC
was above board without special agreements negotiated and signed behind closed
doors. BYU's departure was intentionally designed to hurt the MWC and involved
building alliances and cutting deals with the WAC that would serve BYU
interests. That conference is now destroyed because BYU walked away when they
determined their interests would not be served. BYU is starving for attention
and will do anything necessary to grab the spot light. It was all about BYU.Selfishness destroys relationships. That's the difference between
Utah's departure and BYU's departure so don't spend so much effort trying to