The best, most relevant comment on here was made by SilverGeo9 (10:17 p.m. Aug.
19, 2010). Sports is exciting -- witness all the comments here -- but this has
re: BYUBlue65 | 3:03 p.m. Aug. 19, 2010 "With our football talent,
and some experience, let's say we get a great schedule - run the table - and
Utah fans get to watch the TDS play for the national championship."Even prior to the war kittyz road trips to Tallahassee & Ft Worth, your ideal
scenario was eloquently summed by Steven Tyler years ago, "Dream on."
Loved what Holmoe said about respecting your rival ... it is self evident that
both Utah and BYU have risen from competing hard with one another. I hope that
even the 'off their rockers haters' on both sides of the argument deep down
recognize that they respect their opponent - otherwise 'the big game' would be
just another game against Colorado State.
I can't believe all the myopic comments from BYU fans. You should be
embarrassed and appalled at what Holmoe tried to do. It's fine that BYU wants
out of the MTN West, but to be collusive and underhanded is not the picture BYU
should be painting to the rest of the world. Don't compromise yourself just
because you are a big BYU fan.
As a Cougar fan it certainly is nice to sit back and watch BYUs possibilities
after having beaten the team up north so often. The tun will be a perpetual
middle of the pack team in the PAC-10, just as they had a 3rd place finish last
season in the MWC.
One final consideration (as a BYU fan and member of the LDS church with egg on
his face), the remaining 9 teams (LaTech would replace Houston in C-USA) could
join either the WAC or MWC (whichever made the most financial sense) and their
football programs and athletic depts would not irreversibly suffer or die. They
would be on par with C-USA for football, and a 1 team NCAAB bid conference.
One last consideration, less than two months ago, the Big East was facing the
same potential problem that the WAC is now- being raided and becoming
irrelevant/annihialated. This Superconference would bring stability for all of
the reasons indicated in my prior post.
To elaborate on the Big East Superconference idea (not mine alone):Why
Would Big East be Interested?1) Respect: the Big East is viewed as
inferior by the other BCS conferences, altough their BCS record indicates
otherwise. Adding a Western Division of teams including BSU, TCU and BYU
bolster that image.2) Reveunue: each Big East team gets about $3.5M per
year in tv money. Other BCS teams get $10-$20M per year. The expanded
conference would be worth a huge tv contract. Schedule?: The
Eastern Division and Western Divisions play each of their 7 teams. There is a
two game cross play between divisions and a championship game. That leaves 3
out of conference games. Why Western Teams Would do It?- Obvious.
New TV contract with ESPN/ABC, and/or other networks. BYU TV could
create the equivalent of the Big Ten network for the new conference (major cha
ching) and still broadcast its non-ESPN/national network games. BYU gets the
money and the exposure (across the nation) that it seeks.
Uh what is he suppose to say? Well we didn’t anticipate the MWC raiding
and putting the WAC on life support so now we need to have a contingency plan. I
will say this even if they come back to the MWC the conference will be improved
from where they were Monday. But don’t act like this was the master plan.
I see two best possibilities:1) form a new football conference with
the best 8 teams and media markets (BYU, BSU, AFA, TCU, Houston, UNLV, New
Mexico, SDSU) and join the Big East for football only. Then keep the 8 team
conference for all other sports. This brings stability and a hugely lucrative
contract to the Big East, brings all of the BCS non-AQ teams into the BCS, and
makes a great basketball conference too.2) Stay with an expanded MWC
having Houston and demand that at the end of the BCS cycle (2012) that if there
are 2-3 teams that drag the MWC below the AQ threshold, that they get kicked out
of the conference (they can help the WAC survive). If you remove the bottom 2-3
teams the math works for AQ inclusion which has recently been made public and
the BCS will have to abide by it. The $18M per year BCS money will tide you
over until a new TV arrangement can be had. If BYU can leverage getting some TV
concessions now to stay in, even better, although much of their leverage
evaporated when NV and FSU accepted the invites.
How about a whole new conference. The best of Mtn West the best of the Wac and
the best of Conf USA. New name and new tv contract. This would have to be bcs
Any school with integrity would be looking at any option to get out of the
Mountain West as soon as possible.
#1 ESPN can broker high quality BCS teams for BYU to play on national TV, so
that is not a problem. Texas, Notre Dame, Navy, Oregon State on the schedule
just to name a few. ESPN also owns several bowls so they can finally get
something better than the crappy Vegas Bowl!!! Stay tuned cougar
fans, BYU might get their revenge on Hair Thompson after all. ESPN is brokering
a mega conference with the best of the MWC, WAC and Houston and UTEP that will
be good enough for AQ status (get rid of the bottom feeders) AND will have a
great TV DEAL! Then for all the naysayers and to that lame excuse for a
conference commish Thompson, I can just say HA HA HA! :)
This of this for the New Conference of Independants:1. Notre Dame
A. Army2. BYU B. Navy3 TCU C.
Air force4. Baylor D. Boise State5. SMU
E. HoustonBYU would start the non conference season vs. Pac
12Utah and end the season with new rival Notre Dame.Let the two
remaining non conference games be vs. BCS Washington State type teams.
My suggestion for a schedule if we go independent with our Football. See a 12
game schedule below:1.
If we go Independent, we would rather be treated like Notre Dame with the BCS
tie in, than to be treated like Army and Navy without that prestigious tie in to
the BCS. We want the respect that Notre Dame gets by playing it's
core games against the BCS Big 10, plus Army and Navy that are the other
independents and the other games, like their annual visit to USC and either
UCLA, Stanford, or other Pac 10 BCS teams.Do we realy expect the
same respect if our 6 core games come from the WAC, a conference below the
MWC?Is this logical thinking???We broke out of the WAC 10+
years ago to form a more powerful MWC taking only the best of the WAC. Do
we really want to use them for our core 6 games each year??? I think not!!!If we want the respect that Notre Dame has, we must play the quality
teams that they play.My next post below, will give you my
suggestion.Please look for the next optimist post. Thank you.
There is a rumor that byu has scheduled a one and one next fall with the kearns
mighty-might "B" team to compliment their WAC schedule. Is this true?!!!
they will come - Field of Dreams II. ESPN home and away games. That is stupid
when MWC won't allow to show games on campus - so stupid!
Boomer- Let us know when the Lobos start playing football. It will be New
Mexico, Wyoming, and CSU that keep the MWC out of the BCS. That one win a year
that the Lobos contribute to the conference's won loss record is REALLY helpful.
One game a year against New Mexico State in the WAC is looking better and
redandwhite has a good idea i agree with that statement.its not gonna
happen but it would be cool.byu is not going to leave until someone
invites them, if that ever happens.
"So, Utah moves to a new conference but manages to leave a strong foundation in
place for the MWC. BYU attempts the same thing they leave a path of destruction
behind them? Why is that??"Because BYU is the flagship program of
the conference.Why did so few other conference members create a fuss
about Utah leaving?Because, despite Utah's recent BCS success,
nobody really cared that much about playing and beating the Utes.Why
did Thompson go nuclear to try to stop BYU from leaving the MWC?Because BYU is everybody's biggest rival, because BYU is the winningest
program across the board in nearly every MWC sport.In the two
biggest sports, football and men's basketball, there isn't a single team in the
MWC, including the Utes, that even comes close to matching what BYU has done in
football and basketball combined during the last five years.
The truth is this:AD Holmoe cleared up all questions when he said
"Our goal is exposure". Exposure of what? The LDS church. Football is a tool
to bring positive exposure to BYU and the LDS Church.BYU is and
always will be a Mormon-church sponsored school. The Church would shut down all
sports programs in a heart beat if they were viewed as negatively impacting
their missionary message. Getting more TV exposure in a deal with ESPN is about
getting more missionary value out of the sports programs. The 'mtn' network
deal stymied that desire. BYU sports are viewed around the world on
the church's network. They are used as a tool to recruit young men and women
into the church, have them come to BYU for religious and vocational training,
and then return to their native countries to become local religious leaders.
Being unable to re-broadcast their own games severely handicaps that very
valuable missionary tool. This is not about football and not about
money. It is about spreading the message of BYU and the LDS church. That is how
the decision will play out.
Ok how about this. Take the best teams from the WAC,the MWC and Conferance USA
and make a whole new league new name and all. Start from scratch on TV deals and
everything. How could this not be an AQ conf. If everyone just left the MTN
network, no more crappy TV deal right? SO
BYU,TCU,BSU,AF,HOUSTON,FRESNO,NEVADA,UTEP,SDSU and SMU plus two more.
So, Utah moves to a new conference but manages to leave a strong foundation in
place for the MWC. BYU attempts the same thing they leave a path of destruction
behind them? Why is that?? Anyone?
I also agree with earlier posts and would pay a monthly access fee if needed to
get all BYU sports. Even with a small $5-10 per month, with 50,000 people to
sign up would generate another $250-$500,000 monthly, or $3-6 million more in
programming fees, not including broadcast rights and deals with ESPN.The best choice of conference affiliation would be with the WCC because of
their traditions, nobody is bolting for other conferences, and they have a
proven history of success in numerous different sports, both men and women. BYU
would also be able to fill their football slate with enough teams across the
nation wanting to get on national TV broadcasts, either through ESPN or BYU TV.
1984 for Life--How right you are, considering it wasn't BYU's BCS
appearances that were keeping the Lobos fed. BTW, didn't realize my simple
outline for a 12 team league would somehow solicit a slight from you. Why so
uptight '84? Relax' BYU will have two more chances to beat the Lobos in hoops
this year. Say hello to Molly Ringwold.
Wasatch Reb, You can't be serious...Basketball? UNLV hasn't been revelant in
any sport in years. College football fuels the Money Train for college sports.
Basketball is a distant second, and UNLV basketball is way back in that
department.BYU football is nationally reconized and the Mountain
West should do everything they can do to hold on to them. The Mountain network
is nothing without the Cougars and the Utes. If the Cougars leave now the
payouts in the next few years will drop like a rock and Comcast will shut down
go independent, keep the other sports in the mwc, not moving them to the WAC
What People are forgeting about is BYU's abilities with their TV Network. Not
just in the showing of thier own games but in their ability to Partner with some
large network (ESPN) to broadcast state of the art digital signals all around
the world. Don't be suprised if a partnership deal isn't worked out that will
fill the coffers in Cougartown for years to come. I've heard rumors of up to 30
Million per year. Now thats what I call CHA CHING!Don't be suprised if a
bidding war doesn't arise between ESPN and Fox for the services of the BYU TV
network. Of course that's only for programing Mnoday thru Saturday.
Otis Spurlock: "We are always having to fix little brother's problems."And yet, here you are, commenting at least 3 times on an article exclusively
about BYU.Little brother indeed.
@biddaddyHolmoe did run off like a "chicken with his head cut off."
Remember, he was fielding questions, got a phone call, and just walked away. I
was thinking the whole time reading this that BYU sounds really unstable right
now. Not to say they won't figure it out. I'm sure in a day or two this will
be resolved and BYU will be either going independent or stayint put. Who
knows.Regardless of what BYU does, I'm just glad my Utes are done
with this stuff. I'm glad our coach and boys can just focus on the game and not
be in this turmoil that the Y is in right now. I'm sure the coaches and the
players are trying not to think about this. But a reaction formation is
inevitable. Guaranteed it's on their minds, and that affects how well they
prepare for the season. Glad the Utes can stay focused.In my
opinion, this isn't a bad move for BYU, but Holmoe and his crew should have done
this a month ago after the Utes' move to the PAC-10, and not waited until camp
@bigdaddy...Holmoe is the one who is calm cool and collected ...Chris Hill
could learn a valuable lesson from him on not running your mouth all over the
place months in advance of a deal...Huh?Hill delivered Pac-12
to Utes (and fans). Hill improved Utes from mid-major to major.Holmoe
still has not done anything yet. Even with independent status and WCC/WAC, it's
still nothing.Kewger fans, be honest. Would you rather:1) BYU
in Pac-12 or Big-12 OR2) BYU is independent and WCC/WACChris
Hill is laughing out so loud in the hill now.
Hey Boomer- Sorry, but as a New Mexico fan just keep sitting there with your
hand out for that good BCS money. Now with Utah gone and BYU going, you better
hope that BSU and TCU can keep you fed.
Wishful thinking Otis. Utah took the security of making lots of
money for being a perennial middle of the PAC team in football and a perennial
bottom dweller in every other sports besides women's gymnastics. Utah's
"nationally recognized" ski team MIGHT get a 10 second mention on ESPN once a
year IF they happen to win the championship, which only happens once in a
while.BYU is going independent to serve a national and international
BYU fan base and give national exposure to every BYU sports team.Chris Hill wouldn't have a clue how to pull that off.
@Otis Spurlock yet Holmoe is the one who is calm cool and collected
and not running all over the place like a chicken with his head cut off. Chris
Hill could learn a valuable lesson from him on not running your mouth all over
the place months in advance of a deal.BYU is just sitting tight,
holding their silence until the right deal comes along.
Holmoe should be applying at BYU Idaho. This is no way to run a program. The
whole BYU contingency is on the edge of their seats waiting for the big
announcement. Independence is not a great option. WAC is not an option. WCC is
not an option. Does this help the church get attention. Stay put and be patient.
Lobo fan here. I hope that BYU stays put, as I'm sure a lot of BYU's fans of
non-football sports also hope. Time to move to a 12 team league with a football
championship:NorthBYUBoise St.Colorado St.Wyoming Air ForceNevadaSouthNew MexicoTCUUTEP or HoustonUNLVSan Diego StateFresno St.Unfortunately, Craig Thompson was quoted yesterday as saying "We haven't
even discussed a 12 team league". Huh?!?! Not even DISCUSSED it?!?! What kind
of strategy planning are you undertaking? Did you happen to spin a wheel on
Wednesdyay and it just happened to land on the awkward number of 11 teams??
From the comments like that to the TV contract, the MWC is sorely lacking
leadership among its commissioner, its presidents, and its ADs.
I'm sure Holmoe has been on the phone non-stop with Chris Hill asking how to get
out of this mess.We are always having to clean up after and fix
little brother's problems.
Holmoe has bungled this from the beginning. There was never a plan - he was
just reacting to Utah moving to the Pac 10. Now BYU is stuck in a conference
where they gain little to nothing. BYU got played and there is nothing Holmoe
can do about it because he is out matched and obviously out gunned. That's what
happens when BYU gambles - they're not used to it, so they get caught and lose
big. The next step to save face - BYU, TCU and Boise State break away
from the MWC and start their own conference - Rocky Mountain Conference and
invite Fresno State, Nevada, Air Force, and a few more teams. Get rid of the
runts in the MWC.
Aggies aren't stupid and neither is BYU. BYU to old WAC was plan A. USU and BYU
are in this together and plan B will be new WAC. With help from ESPN (who has a
contract with the WAC) BYU convinces SDSU, UNLV, BSU, TCU, Hawaii, Air Force and
one other to go to the new WAC. With USU, new WAC now has 8 football schools and
BYU as an independant in football and a WAC member for everything else. The
"new" WAC's tv revenue with ESPN would increase with the addition of a So. Cal
market, the Vegas market and a Texas market and the WAC will easily be able to
pay these teams more $ than the MWC does ($1.2M each). BYU operates as a
football independant and keeps its ESPN and BYUTV revenue and schedules 4-6 WAC
teams every year including USU, BSU, TCU, UNLV or SDSU. and Hawaii (to pick up
the extra cash for a 13th game). Everyone is happy because every one of these
schools gets more $ and Thompson and the MWC lose.
Hera again most are missing the picture. Show me that BYU can beat TCU and Boise
State and I will believe. Last two games I saw of BYU vs Boise State it did not
look to me like BYU was ready to go independent. Don't throw the other sports
team under the bus without due consideration of what the impact will be. BYU has
nationally ranked programs in other sports. Where do these teams go as an
indepedent? If you think this "independent" thing is a missionary effort try
again. This will do nothing for this.
I have to admit, as a University of Utah alum and fan, it sure is a lot of fun
to sit back and watch the tds scramble. . .There's no question that
Utah's departure from the "mid-majors" has left the MWC a "house of cards."
Since this is on the main DN page, I figured I would comment. If BYU demands
respect, do it on the field first not with its 1980s championship. It should
tell you how many college football fans actually remember that or even care,
only BYU fans.Instead of creating all this unnecessary talk about
its football program and getting the respect they feel they deserve. They must
do three things first before they get any respect (and not just ride of the
coattail of your name)? Go UNDEFEATED, get a BCS berth, WIN a BCS game, then
they will the respect they deserve.Why do you think Utah and Boise
St are respected (and they don't have a lot of Mormon fans to help their
national following)??? Because they've both been to the BCS and won twice.
That is the difference.
I'm amazed that so many who post here do not realize that if football goes
independent, that automatically rules out minor sports for the team who
left---it's in MWC rules. So stuff that quandry. Secondly, the Mtn. TV
contract does not expire until either 2014 or 2016. So, waiting that out will
be tough. My little brain says stay in the MWC and help make it better, but
Holmoe and others have far more info that I do. Good luck.
The MTN TV contract has little or no value. That is a prime reason the MTN will
never qualify as BCS.If it could be dropped and replaced with an
ESPN contract BYU, BSU, TCU and AF would carry the conference. However, how much
is that worth? Would BYU's share be more than BYU would get as an independent?
The real issue is not the money. It is being able to play all over
the country and get every game televised.
Jimmything"This is very obviously a jealous knee-jerk reaction to do
something, anything, to try and one up Utah."Comments like your just
prove how clueless most Utah fans who blog here really are. BYU has
been studying the possibility of going independent for years. They're on the
verge of completing a state-of-the-art HD broadcast facility that can broadcast
BYU sporting events via BYU-TV into 50 million homes. BYU has a $25 million HD
broadcast truck that is the envy of even the "leader in sports television".BYU's partnership with Utah in helping to create the WAC 50 years ago
and the MWC over 10 years may have kept BYU from pursuing plans for
independence.Utah leaving for the PAC 10 may have provided the
impetus for BYU finally making the move the independence, but it's hardly a
knee-jerk reaction. Going independent has been in the planning stages for
I think the MWC and BYU will be just fine. If the MWC can get either Tulsa or
Houston (less so SMU, though they are on a rebound), then you'd have 12 teams in
a conference like this:WEST:SDSUFresnoUNLVNevadaBYU Boise StateEAST: TCUHouston (or
Tulsa)New MexicoAir ForceCSUWyomingNo, it
wouldn't be the old 16-team WAC (minus SMU, Rice, Hawaii and UTEP)---but that
idea wasn't bad anyway. It was simply ahead of its time.With 12
teams you could also have a championship game. It's very concievable
that the MWC gets an AQ bid when the BCS renews in a few years. BYU's chances of
winning the conference and going to a BCS would be pretty darn good with the
talent they are bringing in.Going independent, IMHO, would lead the
Y to a death bed for sports.By-the-way, I enjoyed his comments
regarding the rivalry with Utah.
Austin has announced 3 BYU games with Texas over future years. BYU
is going to have trouble scheduling BCS opponents? It does not sound like it.
After years of talk of independence (this was going on in the 90's when I was at
school there) will it finally happen? I certainly hope so.If BYU
does go independent they could net one or two more home games a year. They will
be on TV more. They can CHOOSE who they schedule with much more freely getting
games all over the US while increasing church exposure. This sure beats getting
stuck in a conference.
I can't believe the comments from cougar fans saying Holmoe and BYU are doing
such a great job. This is very obviously a jealous knee-jerk reaction to do
something, anything, to try and one up Utah. So far it has backfired. If going
independant was such a good idea, why wait until now to do it? BYU is a far,
far, far cry from Notre Dame and even they struggle to be an independant.
Truthfully, I'm getting sick and tired of this conference run around and am so
happy that the Utes are set forever in the Pac-12.
I think that it would be a bad move for BYU to get out of the MWC. I think that
the conference needs to get together and dump the mountain contract as soon as
they can. Then they need to get an agreement for broadcast rights that every
team is in agreement with. I don't think that any team in the conference is
happy with the mountain. When does the tv contract expire? In a year or two? If
so, I don't think that it will be hard to wait it out. Otherwise
Holmoe would be telling every other sports team that they aren't as important as
If you read my earlier post. Please join in and comment, we need support for
our own TV- to all BYU fans through-out the nation and abroad also. Let's all
get in on this and give lots of support.
I think that it is pretty insightful to note that Holmoe pointed out that a
barrier to getting other programs to play in Provo is that they will be
broadcast on the mtn.With an ESPN deal in place, I'd think that
there are a fare number of middle of the road BCS teams (like Utah?) that might
jump at the chance to play in Provo on a nationally televised game on the
"recognized leader in sports broadcasting." Especially in exchange for a return
trip that would generate an increase in home attendance?
@Tom in CA"The BYU Cougars have been lining up their ducks and
exploring their options long before the events of this summer."Correct! This has been planned for months, now. Independence is their
"fall-back" option once the tds' plans to get invited to the PAC 10 failed, and
their pleading with the BIG XII to "please let them in" wasn't heard.Independence has been the plan all along.
The WAC is losing teams left and right and is going to be a third rate
conference soon if it exists at all. The MWC has lost Utah and now the Y wants
out. Without Utah or BYU the MWC will be the old WAC. BYU is in a tough sport
for sure. Perhaps the only option would be to go independent in football and
then stay in the MWC for all other sports but I doubt the MWC wants a part time
member. So what does BYU do? If they just stay in the MWC my guess is the
football program will die on the vine within 5 years so just staying put isn't
an option but... it may be the only option the Y has for now. Perhaps BYU's days
in the NCAA are coming to an end? I think that is the most likely option
I have been a BYU for 65 years plus,,,,,,I have stayed up all nite if necessary
to catch BYU Sports, I think that going independent would be the best thing in
the world. I would pay $50.00 plus monthly to have BYU sports in my home on TV,
EVery one of them, football, basketball, baseball, volleyball, soccer,
swimming, woman gym and every women's sports. Hey It would be the columination
of a dream come true. I use to listen to KSL radio, when we could get games,
back in the 40les and 50ies, I say again I would pay even 100.00 Month to get
all BYU sports, so would every BYUfan, there are thousands of us in Idaho. Go
for it BYU----sign up your own TV broadcast. We are all behind you. Lots of the
Ute fans would sign up also to see local teams play, Utah, Utah State, Southern
Utah, Dixie, SL community college. etc.
BYU's new motto:Will Work for Food
Sounds like BYU is slowly getting out of athletics all together. This is just
the first step.
Tom in CA:Uhhh... it looks like Fresno St & Nevada have made BYU
change their plans. This sounds like BYU is not entirely in charge of their
own destiny.But maybe Jesus himself is guiding all these events and
it is merely a test for those who have less faith than you.
BYU, the Mormon school, playing against Gonzaga and St. Mary's in the WCC? And
we thought the Utah rivalry got nasty. Those rivalries definitely could become
religious-based wars. But it certainly could be fun.The key here is
money. BYU wants to keep more of its revenue. The departure of Nevada and
Fresno St. from the WAC has made it, at the moment, a conference with not enough
teams, even if BYU re-joins. So does BYU stay in the MWC? Two more schools
means more people taking from the pie; and, in the short run, less money for
each school. In the long run it may mean more money for all. But the key word
there is "may." Will Nevada bring in above average money? Will Fresno St.?Going independent in football will mean BYU gets to keep all of its
football revenue at least. But as an independent BYU will not be guaranteed a
spot in any bowl games; at least not at first. Later on, they may be able to
contract with a bowl.So many questions. It's not something that can
be jumped into lightly.
By things are playing out, does he mean his destruction of BYU's athletic team
by dropping them to the WAC conference or the WCC conference? Yeah, great move.
If I were a Cougar fan, I'd be furious.Thankfully, I'll be enjoying
Pac 12 football a year from now.
Let's face it - BYU has zero viable options. Both the WAC and MWC are tier 2 or
3 conferences and are at the cellar of competitive sports. The Y needs better
athletic leadership at every level to make things happen!
CT98 Perhaps the reason BYU doesn't keep their other sports in the MWC is the TV
issue. BYU wants to televise other sports besides football.
The WCC is MUCH stronger than the MWC or the WAC in a number of the small
sports. The WCC is FAR better than the MWC in Baseball, Women's Soccer, Men's
and Women's Golf and Men's and Women's Tennis.BYU is the MWC's
strongest Women's soccer team, having won 6 conference titles in the 10 years of
the MWC. The WCC has 3 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS in that span, with Santa Clara winning
it all in 2001, and Portland winning 2 titles in 2002 and 2005.Pepperdine has recently won national titles in Baseball (1992), Men's Golf
(1997), Men's Water Polo (1997), Men's Volleyball (1992 and 2005), and Men's
Tennis (2006).The fact is, the WCC is overall stronger academically
AND athletically than the MWC. It's just that most MWC fans aren't familiar with
it because they don't play football. The WCC is the Atlatnic 10 of the West:
it's a group of religiously affilated, VERY expensive academic universities that
excel at basketball and the small sports. Almost all of these schools have Law
So how will BYU save face? Fiddler? Calling on you. How will your Cougars
If you want the best laugh of the day, read this according to 1100 ESPN in
Las Vegas, BYU turned down an invitations to the PAC 10 and BIG 12 earlier when
they were approached, because BYU wanted to go independent. As well
as how BYU was demanding the MWC tourney to be held in Provo. Then
they said that the MWC was going to form into get this a 20-22 team conference.
Its a good thing that Utah has 1280 the zone
"Why didn't BYU decide to stay in the MWC and have their Football team go
independent? Why switch to the lowly WAC?"Because the MWC is too
jealous of BYU going independent in football to allow that to happen. Plus, that
still wouldn't free up the other BYU sports to be broadcast on BYU-TV.Maybe cooler heads will prevail and the MWC will realize what they're losing
in all of the other sports.BYU may end up having to spread their
minor sports among several leagues.Men's volleyball, rugby, soccer,
and ice hockey are all more or less independent already. Women's gymnastics
isn't in a conference.There's already a precendent for BYU's minor
sports teams to play in different conferences or as independents.But
the one unifying factor is that ALL of their competitions could be shown on
In other words...Everything is going exactly as planned.Stay tuned folks. The end result is going to be good.
In addition to being a strong basketball conference (stronger than the WAC and
on par with the MWC with a BYU-less MWC and a WCC WITH BYU), the WCC is great in
other sports.They are better overall in baseball, and you have
Pepperdine which was #1 in the Director Cup standings for schools without
football. But let's be real here. BYU OWNS the MWC in the small
sports, winning more titles than the other 8 schools combined. Even if the WCC
were weak (and it's not) it wouldn't matter. We excel in Cross Country despite
the fact that the rest of the MWC stinks.If any of you are doubting
that the WCC is better in basketball, consider this: since the MWC was created
in 1999, the WCC is 20-16 in the NCAA tournament, with 4 of their 8 teams
winning at least 1 NCAA game. The MWC has just 9 wins out of their 9 member
institutions. yes, Gonzaga accounts for most of those, but St. Mary's,
Pepperdine, and San Diego have all won games as well. The MWC doesn't have ANY
team that currently has the cachet of Gonzaga.
Just stay in your place and try to beat BSU and TCU if you can.
BYU does not measure success in all the ways that other Universities do.
Exposure is the way that a university helps its athletes succeed. It is also
the way that its program (recruiting) improves. I will not mention other
measurements of success at the core of the BYU agenda (it would only bring a
load of mockers who don't understand that there are things more important than
So, here's a scenario:* BYU remains in the MWC for a couple more years,
* BYU continues with Utah as our last game in 2011,* TCU beats BYU
that year to win the MWC, with BYU placing second,* TCU's invitation to a
BCS bowl sends BYU to the Las Vegas Bowl...* ...to play the PAC's 8-5 Utah
in back-to-back meetings -- the first time in this venerable rivalry that these
teams have played each other twice in the same season.
Don't give in to fear, BYU. Go independent. Don't fool yourselves into thinking
the MWC is worth staying in. Take the leap of faith.
Holmoe is handling this perfectly: asking lots of questions to other schools,
other conferences, other (non-BYU) television networks, not saying "this is the
way it is" when he knows it could change nor getting into merely speculating.Is independence in BYU's best interests?Don't know.But I do know the AD is playing his cards pretty danged smart.I
think the biggest negative holding us back so far is that Fresno State and
Nevada both left the WAC. Those were pretty decent teams and finding comparable
teams to play in their place year after year just made scheduling that much
It's like this game of Super Chess with one side being BYU and the other side
being an amalgamation of interests from shools and conferences to TV networks.
It's not unfair nor is it conspriatorial, its just business. Going to be an
interesting ride over the next few days I expect. Just as what Utah did was
best for them, BYU will do what is in their best interests. As a BYU faithful
this whole process has, in an interesting sort of way, given me a lot of respect
for U of U as an institution and what they have recently accomplished! Congrats
UofU and go BYU!!
BTW....I'm really curious WWJD if he were running BYU's department. Would he
really be that selfish and greedy. Would he really appreciate the athletic
department that is run by his school doing this? This is something BYU really
needs to remember when they make these kind of decisions. This isn't just a
"business" decision Holmoe.....you represent the church of "Jesus Christ" and I
feel its appropriate to ask the question. This is not what our church should be
doing.......and no, you can't separate the athletics of the school from church.
You should all know this. Coveting what Utah has is ludicrous as
well...be happy for them. Regardless of what they could make a year in the PAC
10, they won't be BYU and BYU should just be happy for them and move on. In the
end, if a deal like that comes along for BYU (Big 12?) that would be a whole
other story....however, being greedy and selfish, and going independent is both
those things, should be somethin you try and avoid, and that should be obvious.
Its mindboggling that it's not.
BYU needs a reality check. Do they really think they are relevant enough to
fill a full home schedule of quality BCS teams year after year as an independent
when they won't do a 2 for 1. And good luck getting quality BCS
opponents in late October and November to travel to Prove for a non-conference
game. Late fall is a time of year when most team are jockeying to get in to a
BCS bowl game and would not risk that on an exhibition game in Provo.
I still think BYU has a solid offer to be somewhere in 2012 and they are trying
to do something with 2011 other than suffer through another year in the MWC -
especially without Utah.There is no advantage with low exposure and
TV revenue. This will give them 2011 to use their media equipment to it's
fullest, expand it's relationship with ESPN and other non MWC "friends."That's why this is not as much of a gamble as people think. It really
is only for one year or maybe two and we can stumble through those years and
still probably be better off than if we stay in the MWC.The BCS is
not going to give us AQ status even if we meet their requirements. hopefully
the good news for 2012 is the Big 12 or some other option like that.
I know how you feel, Fiddler. When the Utes got the PAC-12 invite, I was so
happy to be done with mtn channel and Hair Thompson - who has done so little
with so much.
Q: Why do you think BYU should go to either WCC or WAC(ky) conf?A:
Well, I think that is the level that we should play ball at.Q: Do
you realize that "Does what Fresno State does affect us" does not sound like
proper English?A: huh?
Take BYU to the WCC! Its about as close to a perfect fit for the non-football
sports as you will find for BYU. That league has a great basketball tradition,
an existing TV deal on ESPN, and Gonzaga is a nationally recognized program that
would make a great rival for BYU. Yes, they are small schools, and play in small
arenas, but BYU can still bring big names to the Marriott, and having a path to
the NCAA tourney is the most important thing. The WCC placed two teams in the
tourney last year (Gonzaga and St. Marys). Is the WCC perfect? No. But it is a
lot more attractive and stable than the WAC, and BYU doesn't even have to
withhold their football from them because they don't play that sport. Plus they
are all private, religious institutions like BYU, and in this fan's mind, those
are the kinds of institutions that BYU should be seeking to affiliate itself
with in the future.
The one thing that really iritates me when I read these articles about BYU's
leaving because of a lack of exposure and their current tv deal, is that BYU WAS
RESPONSIBLE for this current deal. Just like BYU is doing RIGHT NOW, they lead
an unorganized, emotional-filled coup to begin a start-up TV network that
benefited BYU (directly and indirectly). The former Cougarblue
Network/Sportswest merged into the MTN and provided/provides continued services
for the channel. Dave Checketts came in and pushed the network to the market,
left us in the hands of CSTV and later Comcast and even later CBS.Now, we have a horrible TV deal with little exposure....but not only that, my
alma mater (UNLV) HAD A LUCRATIVE deal with ESPN for the sport we care about,
basketball, and we had to get rid of it because of, well...largely, BYU's doing.
My school has lost millions because of this, but its a sacrifice you make to be
in a conference....so we did it. Now, BYU wants to just take their ball and go
home? Not gonna share with your neighbors anymore? Karl Benson called Nevada and
And "without saying anything," Tom Holmoe told us that the benefit of
independence is indeed to be able to play teams from a lot of different places.
A greater "reach." Makes sense.Thank you, Education Week.
The BYU Cougars have been lining up their ducks and exploring their options long
before the events of this summer. Their decision making is not a knee-jerk
reaction to the choices made by any other school. BYU will control their own
destiny and come out smelling like a rose.
Just looking at the photo, you can almost smell the desperation oozing from
Sounds like Holmoe is getting wobbly....Seriously, is BYU going to
let podunk Nevada, or Fresno dictate their future?This is exactly
why BYU is stuck where they are, they don't have the guts to venture and pull
the trigger.Can you imagine BYU going back to the abusive MWC? ESPN drives all of this.Get ESPN involved to up the dollars
to UNLV, San Diego St. and New Mexico, in order for them to join the WAC then
hold Nevada and Fresno to the 5 million dollar penalty they agreed to.And you have a great basketball league, and a league where San Diego and UNLV
can finally grow in football.Benson needs to be aggressive.No more soicalistic revenue sharing with the bottomfeeders.
Wow. I can't imagine the desperation BYU must have felt to embark on this
knee-jerk reaction to Utah's Pac 12 move. The problem is, decisions made in
haste, with greed as the motivation, usually turn out bad. Good luck BYU-
you'll definitely need it.
I really hope things work out for BYU, otherwise they come out of this looking
like they are selling themselves. Isn't that what all the BYU fans thought Utah
did? I know all fans will justify this in some way, but it is what it is.
Why didn't BYU decide to stay in the MWC and have their Football team go
independent? Why switch to the lowly WAC?It is amazing to consider
the dominoe effect that was set off by one man, Larry Scott deciding to expand
the Pac 10. Texas refused his offer so Utah was taken which led to Boise
joining the MWC which led to BYU leaving, which led to Fresno and Nevada jumping
ship.....and I'm sure we haven't seen the end of it. Larry Scott single
handedly changed the face of college football in the West.
I don't envy Tom. He has to be working frantically to figure everything out.
Best of Luck Tom. Go Cougs!To any haters who will inevitably chime
in here ... If you're so (arrogantly) wise as to criticize Tom and his staff, do
the rest of us the courtesy of sharing your wisdom on what should be done ...
don't just stand on the sidelines and spew negative comments. Your
weened-on-a-pickle attitude really stinks up the place.BTW, I feel
for Coach Rose. He must be in a tizzy.As for me, I prefer Football
independence and the WCC for Basketball. Doesn't Notre Dame split it's other
sports between more than one conference? Perhaps that's an option. Good Luck
Tom. You know more about the situation than any blogger here, including myself.
If Holmoe is stating it correctly and it is all about exposure and TV rights,
then the only answer is to let the football team go independent, and have the of
BYU sports join the best conference that will accept them.
Nevada and Fresno killed the WAC and didn't leave that as a viable option for
BYU.WCC isn't as good of option for BYU because that means the
schedule for football is that much harder to create. Still possible but the deal
with the WAC would have made the schedule much easier. How good are the other
sports beside besides basketball? I don't like the idea of shafting every
student athlete that doesn't play football just so football can be
independent.Staying in the MWC isn't great because we are still
stuck with the MTN and now we have two more teams who don't bring much. I really
don't see how Nevada and Fresno help us get an automatic bid and even if we get
one something has to be done about the TV deal.If we have to stay
with the MWC I hope they at least add Houston and make it a 12 team conference.
11 doesn't make much sense to me.The MTN more than anything hurts
BYU. If somehow the conference would give BYU back their TV rights I'd feel good
Law of unintended consequences?
Everything is going to work out fine for BYU.BYU fans just need to
What do we look at as a standard and say that "exposure" is down. Since the MWC
bailed from ESPN, we've gotten lost some exposure, but made up for it in
respect. When in the history of the old WAC or MWC have we had 3 teams finish
the season ranked. This year we start with one in the top 10 and another in the
top 25? If the WAC allegedly has better exposure than us because of
ESPN, and they have one team in the top 10 and no one else even sniffing the Top
25. Utah just put 6 players in the NFL. TCU is preseason Top 10.
Didn't we just get four teams into the NCAA tournament last year? Exposure may
be down, but is that really the metric for success?BYU needs to
rethink this whole thing.
As we've seen, BYU is smart to do their business behind closed doors until the
deal is signed, sealed and delivered. As Holmoe said, anything BYU
might say today could change tomorrow.BYU appears to have had a firm
deal worked out to partner with the WAC in football and become a member of the
WAC in all of the other sports.A couple of players changed their
minds and now it's back to the drawing board to work out a new plan.This is just like the Big 12 reshuffling we saw a couple of months ago. No deal is a done deal until it's actually signed, and even then,
players sometimes change their minds.Stay tuned.BYU will
eventually get the kinks worked out and will go independent in football. It may
just take a little while longer because of a couple of players who got cold feet
in the home stretch.
Holmoe is so great. The last thing I want to do is be associated with a weak
WAC, but I trust these guys doing all of this. What an exciting time to be a
We'll still go independent. We're in to deep and I am glad. Glad we're done with
Thompson and the MWC.
It will be great to watch the Utes go 8-5 next year in the PAC 10 and get to go
to Vegas, for a change. With our football talent, and some experience, let's
say we get a great schedule - run the table - and Utah fans get to watch the TDS
play for the national championship.A stranger thing could happen.
I'll be there in my Utah letter jacket with three stripes, cheering for my
cougars (I repented after 1965).Write this down and refer to it in
the coming two years.