I think some of the Utah State fans are getting way too carried away. There are
powers that be that oversee BYU that have insisted Utah State be covered well
before they'll allow BYU to go to a BCS league (like the Big-12). If anything
the powers that be at BYU (think above Pres. Samuelson and AD Holmoe) probably
calculate that if Thompson made a move to invite more WAC members to the MWC
(which he has talked about, albeit not this quickly), Utah state would be one of
re: AggieFan74 | 7:04 a.m. Aug. 19, 2010 Cheer up man- life's too
short to hold such bitterness and hatred. USU shot themselves in the foot by
having integrity in this situation. Unfortunately- once again a team displays
honor and integrity by turning down an offer to the MWC because they had just
worked out a deal with their own conference, while 2 other schools go back on
their word and bolt.This leaves USU in a tough place, due to the
lack of integrity of 2 other wac schools.As for BYU, they have said
all along that they were exploring all options for their program, but have never
made any announcements about those plans. To blame BYU once again, just show
that you're worse than the other little brother that BYU has, you're more like
the little step-brother.Congratulations USU for having the integrity
to honor your word- hopefully something will work out for you for the best in
the long run.
Wo everyone, getting a little jumpy in here. As an Aggie I have read the many
condescending posts of Cougars and even a few Utes, listen the facts are
football controls this whole thing, another fact is that whether USU ends up in
the MWC, WAC or some other conference really doesn't matter. All that matters is
that they end up in a conference. Is the MWC or the WAC a BCS conference, NO?
Then really who cares what conference they are. Good for Nevada and Fresno, it
really doesn't matter, Nevada, Fresno, USU, BYU, Idaho, La Tech, etc; etc; etc,;
are not going to win a national championship or be in a BCS league, so really
who cares? We're all essentially playing for a bowl game, other than that this
really doesn't matter. NONE of these teams in either of these conferences are
National Champions, so again why do we all care so much? As for BYU
they made a bold move, good for them. BYU has always been about the money and
exposure so they can spread the word, great, who cares?This is all a
bit humorous really:)
It's not over until the O-Line sings. USU has something going down. And it's
NOT their athletic programs. to Mr. Caveman... did you ever think that maybe
USU is trying to help save ybu's back side??
Good power-play by Craig Thompson to save his conference - but it didn't really
improve the quality by adding UNR and Fresno State. It probably prevented BSU
from going back to the WAC. I do feel badly about USU, though. It could have
been a win-win situation for the Cougars and the Aggies.Is it possible for
USU to join the Big Sky? Geographically, it's a good fit. And athletically, it
good be a very positive thing for the Aggies, too. I think they could be
competitive at that level.
Re: StrikerFirst of all the Aggies win plenty of championships in
other sports just not the one that counts, Football. Football is king, and
everything is of lesser value. So your statement is very inaccurate. But your
part right, becasue Football is so poor no one will give the Ags the chance even
though their other programs are quite exceptional. A couple facts
reamin. USU isn't dropping football. They've dumped a lot of money into the
stadium just last year or two. No they will drop a divsion no doubt about it.
Mark my words in two years time, maybe next year USU will no longer be playing
division I football. It's a shame too because I think Andersen would have had
them competing in the WAC.
According to a story on the Honolulu Advertiser web site, USU WAS invited to
join the MWC yesterday, but declined the offer.
Aggiefan, you do need therapy. How about you follow a school that doesn't sit
around and wait for things to happen to them, but goes out and does something.
There are plenty of happy BYU and Utah fans, and Boise fans for that matter.
Time for you to switch allegiance because your team has been failing you all
I totally agree. Aggie fans have no reason to cry about all this. They need to
face reality that they are not a top tier school for education nor athletics.
They can only win championships in one sport and they have a very high
acceptance rate, which means they let in most anyone who applies. Sorry, but
USU needs to up their game if anyone is going to take them seriously.
Cheer up AggieFan74, you can always create a new conference with USU, Logan
High, Sky View and Mt. Crest. That would make four equal teams and then you can
go from there. Maybe add in Weber State but then they would dominate your
conference.Prove yourself year in and year out for at least 5 years
and you may be able to join a real conference.
I need drugs and therapy!! I am a USU alum and have been an Aggie fan for most
of my 50 plus years on the planet. Yesterday and today may be the worst couple
of days in the history of Aggie athletics!! I hope whomever is sculpting the
Merlin Olsen statue is now inclined to put a very big "tear" running down the
big fella's cheek!!! Without somekind of "unlikely" miricle, I just can't see
Aggie football ever again reaching any level of Division I prominence or even
respect within the extended Intermountain Region. That was an extremely painful
acknowledgment but I am afraid it's the fact of the matter. LA Tech will
probably go to the Sunbelt Conference leaving the WAC in dire need of recruiting
four new Division I institutions to the conference which is not going to
happen!! The only real option for the Aggies is to join the Big Sky or dump
football and join the WCC for basketball. I guess all good things come to an
end. What a shame-collegiate football used to be about sport and rivalry now
it's about money and greed!!!
@ Bob - High School football in Texas has more fans than the schools you cited
(Portland is renovating pge park to hold 22,000 fans for there new mls team, and
montana sells out its 25,000 seat stadium regularly. sac state can currently
hold 21,195). If you can get 55,000 or better every Saturday you aren't bringing
anything to the table. Comparing BYU with USU is not realistic. One has a
religious shortfall (BYU - no Sunday play)) that major conferences will not
swallow while the other is geographically isolated (USU). BYU going independent
is not a good idea at this time because of the moves Craig Thompson made
however, it may work out in the future without destroying other sports programs.
This actually brings down the average quality of both the MWC and WAC. The only
thing it does to improve the MWC is probably keep BYU from leaving...so in all,
not a bad idea from Thompson. About the only smart thing he's done so far.
I like the idea of all other sports joining the WCC since they have no football.
The WAC is history. USU will get an invite somewhere. MWC will need another team
if BYU goes independent. Funny how USU fans say BYU has screwed them over. In
the end, it may be the best thing for them too. All of this of course is only
rumor and speculation. BYU has not said a single word. Of course, not saying
anything has a way of being right. The only thing certain right now is that
Fresno State and Nevada are new members for the MWC which was a good move for
Dear Gary Anderson,We will welcome you with open arms back to Utah
and the Pac 10!!!!!
Surely the wac can use the five million dollars from both unr and fresno to get
montana,sac state or portland state to join, Portland is renovating pge park to
hold 22,000 fans for there new mls team, and montana sells out its 25,000 seat
stadium regularly. sac state can currently hold 21,195, sacramento is the 20th
largest tv market, portland is 22nd and montana already has a huge fan base.
Three potential great markets for college football. lets be optimistic.
There are planets and then there are dwarf planets. I'm afraid WAC leftovers are
now officially downgraded to dwarf planets. These programs should consider
either closing football or joining the Big Sky. I suppose the Sun Belt
conference can either be raided or joined.
This would be cool:BYU, BSU, TCU, Houston, UTEP, AFA, UNLV, & New
Mexico. BYU, BSU, and TCU drive the boat.
Regardless if BYU stays or not, Craig Thompson and the MWC hasn't made the
conference any better by adding Fresno and Nevada. It's still the same type of
conference. Two good teams and 8 bottom feeders.The WAC is the
loser here. Is is not fair to BYU's other sports to put them in a bad WAC
conference. Is is too bad BYU's football team can't be independent
and the rest of the sports compete in the PAC 12 or BIG 12. That is where they
deserve to be playing.The WCC would be a far better conference than
the WAC. Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Pepperdine, Portland, etc.. are much better
athletically and get better exposure to a larger audience than the WAC.
The WAC can and will expand, if needed. It won't die off. And what's not to
say that some MWC schools will leave for the WAC? I'm sure that UNLV would love
greater basketball visibility than it currently gets on the mtn. This isn't
done, and the MWC just got a lot more watered down by adding Fresno and
Nevada...guess they wanted CSU and Wyo to have more comparable competition.
I think the best move for BYU might be to join the West Coast Conference in
their other sports. Because the WCC doesn't even have football, it will be even
easier to be independent.BYU would be a good cultural fit with
Pepperdine, Gonzaga, and Saint Mary's already in the conference, and think of
the basketball! The tournament could be quite exciting, and the league would get
more respect than any out west (including the PAC). BYU might lose out on some
easy WAC scheduling, but that could be managed.It's really too bad
about USU and the WAC, but perpetual irrelevance is really annoying for programs
like Fresno, UNR, and even Hawaii. Maybe USU should just shutter the football
team in Merlin Olsen's memory, and join the WCC as well.
RE: Nate J. EXCUSS ME!!! Just exactly "who" started, or triggered, this whole
fiasco and "who" is bouncing all over the college football map with absolutely
no regard for other collegiate programs and conferences that are going to be
trashed by their actions-DAAAAAAAAAA!!!! It's about money, the need for prestige
at all costs, jealousy that Utah is now a member of a "big-time BSC" conference,
fear that BYU will be a perennial "also ran" in the MWC because of more
competitive football progarms at BSU and TCU, and lastly-the reality that there
are absolutely no major conferences made up of liberal institutions that will
welcome a religious-based ultra conservative university into the fold. The
Kittens are desperate and making stupid and ill concieved decisions out of pure
desperation and envey to "matter" in the big stage of college football. I have
to give MWC Commissioner Thompson a "big" tip of the hat for putting BYU in a
very awkward and imbarrasing postion. This guy smarter than BYU's entire brain
trust. HA! HA! HA! Bad news for the Aggies but it's going to be very interesting
to see how this all ends!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: belgie BYU has done its level best to destroy USU ever since the late
1890s, read the two school's official histories sometime, it is there (not all
of it by a long shot) in black and white.RE: Rocky Mtn Oyster That
would be logical and best for all involved but it will never happen
unfortunately. (I wish it would! It would be the best possible outcome.)RE: Balto USU had nothing to do with this, it was designed and executed
ed by BYU.
USU's "sources" should have kept their mouths shut yesterday and they might be
in better shape today. It's their own fault for leaking BYU's plans before they
were ready to make the move.
With Utah gone and BYU becoming an independent a combined MWC/WAC would have 16
teams. Create two divisions and have a championship game every year.North: Fresno, Boise, USU, Idaho, CSU, Wyoming, AFA,SJUSouth: UNLV,
Reno, TCU, NM, NMS, SDSU, UH, LaTechSet up an agreement to play 4-6
games each year with BYU.
CK S007. I think you bring up a good point. BYU will have to get someone to come
to the WAC with them. Maybe they could change BSU's mind and have them stay. I
am a little surprised it is looking like it will go down this way. I think if
BYU leaves, TCU will be gone soon, and you have the WAC from the 90's plus BSU.
USU is once again hung out to dry. BYU may end up staying as Dutchman
pointed out and possibly go to bat for USU. But I think we are witnessing a dark
time for USU athletics. I'm not convinced BYU will come out of this great
either. Utah is sitting up on the hill and thinking to themselves that they
could be the only D1 school in a few years.
AggieFan74 - BYU is not out to ruin USU. If anything, it's USU that wants
something that it hasn't earned, and BYU is fighting to get other programs off
of its coat-tails.Realistically, BYU belongs in a major conference.
They've had both the football and and basketball success, and they've got the
fan base. I know they're no Texas, but they're certainly at least on par with
the average BCS program. Geography and religious affiliation have been BYU's
AggieFan74-I agree, it is to bad about Utah St, I was excited to see
what Coach Anderson could do with that football program.Here are a
few reasons the MWC did/does not want Utah St:1. No need for the
market in Logan. They already have the Salt Lake Market with byu.2.
No revelance in football. Sorry, basketball financially doesnt matter. It doesnt
turn to ratings. Football is all that matters.3. Sorry to say but
Logan is not a recruiting hot ground, unlike bringing in schools from Texas. It
would be much better to have either Houston, UTEP, SMU, even Rice, etc than Utah
St.4. It is hard to get to. Kids like to be able to get home easy
and be near an airport to fly home.Hopefully that answers some
questions about why Utah St is not a desireable school.
Well here we are again on the outside looking in. It is blatantly obvious that
no one is going to do us any favors. We are just going to have to go out and
earn some respect through the only avenue left for us, on the field. Go Aggies.
It's my understanding that the MWC had a weak TV contract to begin with. Now,
with the addition of two more schools (especially UN, a low-population
market--it's like the 108th TV market in the US) this is supposed to be an
improvement for the MWC? Sounds like more animals drinking from the same
trough. It might have been a defensive move to preserve their conference (eat
rather than be eaten) precipitated by the rumored and anticipated BYU move. Carl Benson has scheduled a news conf at 11 today. That, as well as the
Y's impending decision(s), will certainly be of interest to all USU athletic
fans. USU is the most cost-efficient athletic program in the
country--getting the best return on investment in D1. It would be a shame to
see the quality (and momentum) of our athletic efforts de-railed by the
conference-alignment actions of others. There's still some
wrangling left; not sure what's possible, but this Ag fan remains hopeful USU
can find its way and remain viable.
Re: AggieFan74 This is BYUs fault? Yesterday BYU was the hero and
going to join the WAC (along with USU) for all other sports. Thompson made the
move to weaken the WAC and force BYUs hand. BYU won't go to a 6 team WAC! Who
would? But this does spell disaster for the WAC and USU. I agree with you on one
point and that is the WAC as a division I conference is at it's end.
So if BYU was still interested in Independence/WAC options, would they convince
SDSU and UNLV to jump with them to the WAC?
MWC and WAC are self destructing. The MWC will definitely not getting an
automatic bid now even if BYU stays and the WAC is hurting big time with only 6
schools left that play football.I hope BYU finds a way to go
independent in football without totally ruining the other sports.
If BYU bolts the MWC, Utah State will be next in. But where will BYU put all of
its non football sports without a WAC? My guess is BYU stays in the MWC with
egg on their face as the MWC will not allow BYU to be a part time member. Maybe
BYU needs to step up for Utah State and get them in as a 12th member if BYU
stays. Stay tuned.
So now it appears the WAC has 6 football schools for 2011 with the loss of
Nevada, Fresno, and Boise State. Too bad that 8 are needed to keep a conference
eligible to play football, per NCAA rules. Guess the WAC will have to pick off
Sun Belt teams, since C-USA and MAC likely won't step back, they are looking
forward to better invites.
This is the beginning of the end for the WAC. I can't believe I'm saying this
because I have never been in favor of USU in the Big Sky but that is looking
like what is going to happen and USU will have little choice in the matter. The
WAC as we know it will cease to exist after this season.
Once again BYU factors into the complete ruination of USU athletics!! It
happened in the 90's when USU was not invited into the expanded WAC and here it
is again!! BYU's need to be the supreme force in West Coast college football at
the expense of all other lesser programs and athletic conferences is truly
astonishing. BYU's jealousy at Utah joing the PAC-10/12 is driving this whole
unfortunate set of circumstances. The defections of UN Reno and Fresno State
from the WAC to the MWC conference is going to be devastating to the WAC-no
doubt about it. That said, you can't find fault with either UN Reno of Fresno
State for the move. However, I don't understand why USU was not invited to join
the MWC as well. The Aggies are on the rise in football and have a much better
basketball program than most, if not all, of the schools in either the WAC or
MWC. This hurts USU big time and may put the Aggies in too big a hole to dig out
of. The WAC now has very little viability as a Division I conference.
Isn't it interesting what the media has accomplished over the last two days and
BYU hasn't even opened their mouths. They haven't even said one word, not one
word about their intent. Enjoy!
What a bunch of crock from these two presidents. How will the moving to a mtn tv
conference be better than staying in an espn backed wac league? MWC completely
hipocritical. One day: "we are not expanding" the next day, "welcome two new
defectors from the wac." what a load of garbage.
USU will remain a top-notch school, if its focus continues to be less upon its
atheletics program and more upon the College of Engineering.
I hear a lot of criticism of Craig Thompson, but this was a brilliant and
decisive move on his part. It badly tarnishes BYU's bold move for independence
while ensuring the viability of the MWC. It's a shame USU couldn't have been