Alta High has a basketball and track program. Maybe the Cougs could get a home
and home with them.
So It is 5:00 pm and no announcement from the Church Office building........could this be another unconfirmed "Scoop" Story?
Again, hatred? Where have I said I hated the Y or their football team? Do I like
to see them do well? Yes. Do I want them to get worked over when they play the
U? Absolutely! I haven't done anything to turn routing for the U into hatred for
the Y.Religion != football; I don't have to cheer for the Y to be a
member of the church. There are much more important things in life and at stake
than personal pride over sports teams.I don't know all of the
history but you have obviously been personally offended one way or the other. I
apologize for that; but sill I do not see how reflecting the hatred you've been
shown will do anything but aggravate an already ridiculous situation.Again, I can list dozens of prominent church members (past and present) who
are huge fans and even boosters of the U. To say that being a U fan is against
the church is ridiculous. Come on, you're not really that stubborn are you?
Isn't there anyway for moderate fans to get along? Is there no olive branch
Dig Dug “I doubt I'll need to garb a Y sweatshirt to make it
through the pearly gates.”Agreed … but how will you
account for why you are standing at the pearly gates with a flaming Y sweatshirt
on a stick?
@ Buzzsince you are on a "LDS doctrine" tripits the
whole "cleanse the inner vessel first" thing. Yeah, why dont you go look that
one up. Thats why I brought up Max Hall's comments. He who is
without sin can cast the first stone. Until you are perfect, condemning others
makes you look more than ridiculous.
@BuzzIf you chance to meet a frowndo not let it stayquickly turn it upside down and smile that frown awayno one
like a frowny facechange it for a smilemake the world a better
placeby smiling all the while
BigBen-I do not condone what Max did. Never said that.Why do Ute fans insist on putting words in my mouth?
Who says I am in favor a self righteous attitude? It is bad but Ute fans are
very sensitive and take every sentence from a BYU player or fan out of context
and they do it often. Prime example- Bronco's Quest for Perfection theme is
constantly mocked by Ute fans due to the Y's unsuccessful undefeated season and
the U's accomplishment that year.I can go on and on.Ute
fans like to bring up the non-importance of sports so that they can justify
their hatred for Y football.Let's put the fact that we are talking
about a sports team when we discuss the Utes fans hatred for Y football. Now, how can they justify hating ANYTHING that comes from the church?I will never understand that and it is the cause of my comments.
The BCS Mafiosos are probably shaking their collective heads wishing they had
co-opted a MWC team much sooner. With Utah's defection, the 2nd, and 3rd order
effects are that BYU will become an independent, the MWC football has lost two
of four football powers and is diminished, and the WAC for the most part has no
football status.BSU and TCU will now dominate the MWC, but top to
bottom the MWC will not have the depth and strength of conference required to
attain BCS status.By accepting one team Utah, the BCS may very well
have eliminated two big headaches; the MWC and WAC.I suspect Utah
and then BYU saw the writing on the wall, and took the best alternative to
staying with the MWC as perennial by-standers to BCS and national status. Utah
and BYU may have more financially sound programs, but I do not think that
translates to consistently sound and winning programs. The jury is out in this
regard.The BCS mafia are the big winners. The MWC path to the BCS is
longer, and so will be the argument for a College Football Tournament.
Every day, I get to work and pass the time at lunch by perusing college football
news and columns throughout the country.I've done this for the past seven
years. For what its worth, this article/column was the all-round best I've yet
to read. Thank you.
"And I don't care if there are self-righteous Y fans out there. It does not give
an LDS person any excuse to hate the Y."No, not to hate, but
certainly a point on which could be improved. I don't want a self-righteous
image of the church being out there, how does that help anyone? Again, lets all
work on lessening the hate and personal attacks, it is counter productive and
doesn't help either side.The sort of language, finger pointing,
hate, and down right ugly comments that all boil down to football (it's only a
game) are unbecoming to us all. Let's keep football in perspective and not make
it a matter of salvation. I doubt I'll need to garb a Y sweatshirt to make it
through the pearly gates.
This will kill recruiting. Players play for conference championships and bowl
games. The national championship is the ultimate goal but you are deceiving
yourself if you think BYU has a chance for that. Going independent will kill
BYU football. No player is going to come to BYU when they cannot promise him a
chance for a conference championship and an automatic bowl bid.Those
who tout this as being a good idea are not thinking it through. So they play a
12 game schedule and at the end of the season--then what. Nothing. Yippee.
Once in a blue moon they qualify for a BCS bowl--maybe.
@ BuzzSo its ok for the quarterback of BYU to publicly hate his
opponent, and yet, its not ok for anyone to hate BYU if they are LDS?
Do it BYU. Take the plunge. You may struggle at first, but it will work out in
the long run.
Don't put words in my mouth Mesquite. I never said you have to become a Y fan. I
am talking about hating the Y.How can any LDS person hate a church
entity? Explain that to me?And I don't care if there are
self-righteous Y fans out there. It does not give an LDS person any excuse to
hate the Y.What is so blind about LDS members supporting church
based things? Do you know what it is to be LDS? When you become LDS you leave
neutral ground and I see nothing wrong with "not hating" anything that comes
With the latest news on the WAC if BYU goes independent they would be better off
joining the PCC and playing Gonzaga in B-Ball. I would love to have them in the
Marriott Center every year! That move would hurt BYU's only other major sport a
lot less than joining a lowly WAC. Still go independent or force the MWC to
allow BYU to make it's own football TV deals with ESPN or thier own TV network.
A few years as independent and a Big12 invite will appear...they'll want to
expand again to get a conf football championship and BYU will be available.
This is a no-brainer for BYU.
BUZZ:Are you serious? So what you are saying is that it is wrong for LDS
members to cheer against they Y and that it is their duty to blindly support
anything church-based? Incredible. So should I have blindly followed the
church in the days that it treated women and African Americans as second class
citizens? Ute fans don't generally dislike the Y because of its affiliation
with the LDS faith, Ute fans generally dislike the Y because we love our team
and zoobs have proven to be amongst the most ignorant and self-righteous fan
bases this world has yet known.
@ BuzzI am guessing that was an attempt at humor? Sarcasm?
Is this for real? If it is, I seriously don’t know what to say. Utah is
invited to the PAC 10 along with Colorado to become the PAC 12. BYU isn’t
invited by the PAC 12 or the Big XII so it decides to actually descend the
ladder a little bit and rejoin the WAC, a conference it left in 1999 because it
had become watered-down even by BYU standards with no-talent programs.
The football team is an ambassador for the Church, like the Young Ambassadors,
the BYU Philharmonic, the BYU Singers, or Folk Dancers, etc. While those groups
are traveling to different countries to introduce people to BYU and the Church,
the sports teams have been mostly introducing San Diego, Las Vegas, Albuquerque,
Colorado Springs, Laramie, and Fort Collins to the Church. Umm, mission
accomplished. (Dallas/Fort Worth, maybe not. I say keep playing TCU.)Dick Harmon hit it on the head with his column suggesting they are doing this
to have the freedom to play teams in areas that have less familiarity with the
Church. If that's not the real reason, I think it would at least be a good
The WAC is not ruined. They will adapt and pick up teams that fit. Playing BYU
on TV is a better situation for many schools in the West. In
football Fresno only had about 33000 in home attendance and NV 17000. They can
be replaced. They do not fill the hole left by BYU (64000) and Utah (45000). BSU left a gaping hole by going to the MTN. That opened up the ESPN
revenue for a Western power like BYU. BYU is essentially trading
places with BSU but BYU will be free to schedule all over the country instead of
being locked into regional games NOBODY cares about outside of Utah and
surrounding states. Is it any harder to schedule BCS games as an
independent than as a member of the MTN or WAC? Neither conference helped one
iota on scheduling. BYU needs to expand the stadium to improve their
home attendance into the top 10-20. That means an extra 15-25000 seats. That will make scheduling BCS teams easier. It is far better
for BYU to get a home and home against a medium SEC/ACC/BigEast/Big12/Big10 team
than the regional MTN.
i joined the LDS church in California when I was 20. I moved to Utah and one the
first things that astonished me was hearing so called LDS football fans ripping
on BYU. Who's side are you on people? You sit there and rip on one of your
church's entities? You have all this hatred for it because of jealousy and anger
towards holier than thou Y fans. Get a grip and think about you are ripping on
when you kick and mock the school.I see comments from people like Go
Big Blue and I cringe. This guy says he is a member in "good standing" and then
is proud to root against his church's school? Are sports really that important
to you dude? Someone has their priorities out of whack. Are all LDS non Y fans
so blinded by their hatred of the Y football program that they are willing to
mock the church as well.My observation of this makes me wonder how
valiant to the cause they really are.
"Don't confuse LDS membership with being a y fan. There are many of us in "good
standing" that will always root for who ever is playing the Y."That's true, but the vast majority of LDS members living outside the state of
Utah, throughout the country and in many places around the world, are BYU fans.
Its times like these that make me really glad I am a ute fan. My team is
guaranteed a spot at the big table and now I can sit back and enjoy watching the
little guys battle it out for the scraps left over.
DRay"I think the most frustrating thing about the MWC has been the
restrictions and governance of broadcasting rights that keeps a great program
from the national/international exposure it has earned, and richly deserves."
What you are saying is that BYU won't capitulate to Sunday play,
doesn't want "governed" TV deals, and wants more money. BYU has
always dictated the rules to the conference yet BYU fans don't understand why
other conferences want nothing to do with BYU? The only option BYU has is to go
independent. Superute is correct, the WAC is now ruined but hey, as long as BYU
fans are happy, that's the only important thing.btw...I don't buy
into the notion that sports are a beacon to a positive image, either. Sports
have a way of bringing out the worst in people...not love and unity.
superuteLet's see ... Utah does what is in its best
interest and joins the PAC right after we sign Boise (almost guaranteeing the
MWC BSC qualifying status) and it was a great move and not selfish at all. BYU decides to go independent and it is all about money and we "just
ruined the WAC to get it". Does anyone else sniff the hypocrisy (or
hatred)?(By the way, interesting logic in your analysis that by our
negotiating to join the WAC we ruined it. I guess we must have had an evil plan
to stick it to the WAC.)
If anyone can I think BYU can be independent in football but will only do it as
long as they have a solid conference for the other sports and it looks like the
WAC is not an option anymore. In football I think BYU could get 2 and some
years 3 or even 4 traditional powerhouse teams scheduled and then a couple of
mid-level BCS teams. The rest of the schedule would be MWC/WAC/ConfUSA teams
and then there would be at least one dog a year. The schedule would probably be
front heavy because most good teams won't want to go out of conference play late
in the year, it is very likely the final game could be someone like North Texas
most years. In many respects going independent would be putting BYU very much
in the same position as Boise State has been in the past few years. If BYU can
win its earlier challenging games then they will have the inside track for a BCS
spot but would have to hope that the top MWC team loses.
It seems to me that exposure and money go hand in hand. You can't get exposure
without the budget for the things necessary to build the visibility of the
program. At the same time you need the exposure to increase revenue from ticket
sales, t.v. ads, and deals with networks.In short, you can't get
exposure without money, and you can't get money without exposure.So,
the suggestion that it's about money and not about exposure sounds a bit
superute: chill buddy, of course it's about money, why do you think your
precious utes thumbed their noses at the MWC. You're really trying to take down
BYU because they are trying to establish a financial base that the MWC doesn't?
By the way tv coverage you referred too was a decision by all
conference members not just BYU. So get off your high horse and stop preaching
especially when your team left the MWC for...THE SAME REASONS!!!
y is no Notre Dame. ND has a rich football history and tradition. Even when
they are soso ND receives tremendous national attention.Don't
confuse LDS membership with being a y fan. There are many of us in "good
standing" that will always root for who ever is playing the y.Looks
like the y is grasping at straws as they are snubed by the Big XII and PAC 12.
"Bugoff" comments are very good, I agree with points made...this article is also
a good read, examination of challenges of going independent...I think the most
frustrating thing about the MWC has been the restrictions and governance of
broadcasting rights that keeps a great program from the national/international
exposure it has earned, and richly deserves.
Y fans who are trying to convince themselves that this is all about exposure and
not about money are up in the night.And these circumstances will
prove that. Now that Craig Thompson has pretty much ruined BYU's plan to go to
the WAC, we'll see if it's all about exposure.If it were all about
exposure, then why did they agree to the deal with the MTN? Weren't they better
off with having KSL and ESPN years ago? Why are they now talking about this
after Utah left for the PAC-10?Sorry it doesn't sound as righteous,
but this is all about money. All about money. And that's why moving to become
independent is likely not going to be in BYU's best interest - playing against
teams in gymnasiums will eventually make things too difficult.BYU is
just following the almight buck and they just ruined the WAC and to get it.
BYU's primary function is to gain positive exposure for the Church. BYU is part
of the Church image. The Church is currently buying millions of $ worth of ads
to promote the image of the Church. Taking BYU independent allows
the Church to get paid for playing games which has the same affect as paying for
the ads. It is in the long run best interest of the Church and BYU
can pull it off. They have the national/international fan base. Having EVERY game televised is a great recruiting tool for all sports. BYU
dramatically extends it reach and relevance. BSU has had a weak
schedule and it has worked to their advantage in recruiting, bowls and national
recognition. This looks more risky than it is.