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Published: Thursday, Aug. 19 2010 1:53 a.m. MDT

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Bugoff

BYU's primary function is to gain positive exposure for the Church. BYU is part of the Church image. The Church is currently buying millions of $ worth of ads to promote the image of the Church.

Taking BYU independent allows the Church to get paid for playing games which has the same affect as paying for the ads.

It is in the long run best interest of the Church and BYU can pull it off. They have the national/international fan base.

Having EVERY game televised is a great recruiting tool for all sports. BYU dramatically extends it reach and relevance.

BSU has had a weak schedule and it has worked to their advantage in recruiting, bowls and national recognition.

This looks more risky than it is.

superute

Y fans who are trying to convince themselves that this is all about exposure and not about money are up in the night.

And these circumstances will prove that. Now that Craig Thompson has pretty much ruined BYU's plan to go to the WAC, we'll see if it's all about exposure.

If it were all about exposure, then why did they agree to the deal with the MTN? Weren't they better off with having KSL and ESPN years ago? Why are they now talking about this after Utah left for the PAC-10?

Sorry it doesn't sound as righteous, but this is all about money. All about money. And that's why moving to become independent is likely not going to be in BYU's best interest - playing against teams in gymnasiums will eventually make things too difficult.

BYU is just following the almight buck and they just ruined the WAC and to get it.

DRay

"Bugoff" comments are very good, I agree with points made...this article is also a good read, examination of challenges of going independent...I think the most frustrating thing about the MWC has been the restrictions and governance of broadcasting rights that keeps a great program from the national/international exposure it has earned, and richly deserves.

Go Big Blue!!!

y is no Notre Dame. ND has a rich football history and tradition. Even when they are soso ND receives tremendous national attention.

Don't confuse LDS membership with being a y fan. There are many of us in "good standing" that will always root for who ever is playing the y.

Looks like the y is grasping at straws as they are snubed by the Big XII and PAC 12.

Laser

superute: chill buddy, of course it's about money, why do you think your precious utes thumbed their noses at the MWC. You're really trying to take down BYU because they are trying to establish a financial base that the MWC doesn't?

By the way tv coverage you referred too was a decision by all conference members not just BYU. So get off your high horse and stop preaching especially when your team left the MWC for...THE SAME REASONS!!!

hamaca

It seems to me that exposure and money go hand in hand. You can't get exposure without the budget for the things necessary to build the visibility of the program. At the same time you need the exposure to increase revenue from ticket sales, t.v. ads, and deals with networks.

In short, you can't get exposure without money, and you can't get money without exposure.

So, the suggestion that it's about money and not about exposure sounds a bit disingenuous.

tron527

If anyone can I think BYU can be independent in football but will only do it as long as they have a solid conference for the other sports and it looks like the WAC is not an option anymore. In football I think BYU could get 2 and some years 3 or even 4 traditional powerhouse teams scheduled and then a couple of mid-level BCS teams. The rest of the schedule would be MWC/WAC/ConfUSA teams and then there would be at least one dog a year. The schedule would probably be front heavy because most good teams won't want to go out of conference play late in the year, it is very likely the final game could be someone like North Texas most years. In many respects going independent would be putting BYU very much in the same position as Boise State has been in the past few years. If BYU can win its earlier challenging games then they will have the inside track for a BCS spot but would have to hope that the top MWC team loses.

TheSpiker

superute

Let's see ...

Utah does what is in its best interest and joins the PAC right after we sign Boise (almost guaranteeing the MWC BSC qualifying status) and it was a great move and not selfish at all.

BYU decides to go independent and it is all about money and we "just ruined the WAC to get it".

Does anyone else sniff the hypocrisy (or hatred)?

(By the way, interesting logic in your analysis that by our negotiating to join the WAC we ruined it. I guess we must have had an evil plan to stick it to the WAC.)

Archie

DRay

"I think the most frustrating thing about the MWC has been the restrictions and governance of broadcasting rights that keeps a great program from the national/international exposure it has earned, and richly deserves."

What you are saying is that BYU won't capitulate to Sunday play, doesn't want "governed" TV deals, and wants more money.

BYU has always dictated the rules to the conference yet BYU fans don't understand why other conferences want nothing to do with BYU? The only option BYU has is to go independent. Superute is correct, the WAC is now ruined but hey, as long as BYU fans are happy, that's the only important thing.

btw...I don't buy into the notion that sports are a beacon to a positive image, either. Sports have a way of bringing out the worst in people...not love and unity.


Big_Ben

Its times like these that make me really glad I am a ute fan. My team is guaranteed a spot at the big table and now I can sit back and enjoy watching the little guys battle it out for the scraps left over.

scenic view

"Don't confuse LDS membership with being a y fan. There are many of us in "good standing" that will always root for who ever is playing the Y."

That's true, but the vast majority of LDS members living outside the state of Utah, throughout the country and in many places around the world, are BYU fans.

Buzz

i joined the LDS church in California when I was 20. I moved to Utah and one the first things that astonished me was hearing so called LDS football fans ripping on BYU. Who's side are you on people? You sit there and rip on one of your church's entities? You have all this hatred for it because of jealousy and anger towards holier than thou Y fans. Get a grip and think about you are ripping on when you kick and mock the school.

I see comments from people like Go Big Blue and I cringe. This guy says he is a member in "good standing" and then is proud to root against his church's school? Are sports really that important to you dude? Someone has their priorities out of whack. Are all LDS non Y fans so blinded by their hatred of the Y football program that they are willing to mock the church as well.

My observation of this makes me wonder how valiant to the cause they really are.

Bugoff

The WAC is not ruined. They will adapt and pick up teams that fit. Playing BYU on TV is a better situation for many schools in the West.

In football Fresno only had about 33000 in home attendance and NV 17000. They can be replaced. They do not fill the hole left by BYU (64000) and Utah (45000).

BSU left a gaping hole by going to the MTN. That opened up the ESPN revenue for a Western power like BYU.

BYU is essentially trading places with BSU but BYU will be free to schedule all over the country instead of being locked into regional games NOBODY cares about outside of Utah and surrounding states.

Is it any harder to schedule BCS games as an independent than as a member of the MTN or WAC? Neither conference helped one iota on scheduling.

BYU needs to expand the stadium to improve their home attendance into the top 10-20. That means an extra 15-25000 seats.

That will make scheduling BCS teams easier.

It is far better for BYU to get a home and home against a medium SEC/ACC/BigEast/Big12/Big10 team than the regional MTN.

Levin

The football team is an ambassador for the Church, like the Young Ambassadors, the BYU Philharmonic, the BYU Singers, or Folk Dancers, etc. While those groups are traveling to different countries to introduce people to BYU and the Church, the sports teams have been mostly introducing San Diego, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, Colorado Springs, Laramie, and Fort Collins to the Church. Umm, mission accomplished. (Dallas/Fort Worth, maybe not. I say keep playing TCU.)

Dick Harmon hit it on the head with his column suggesting they are doing this to have the freedom to play teams in areas that have less familiarity with the Church. If that's not the real reason, I think it would at least be a good reason.

Otis Spurlock

Is this for real? If it is, I seriously don’t know what to say. Utah is invited to the PAC 10 along with Colorado to become the PAC 12. BYU isn’t invited by the PAC 12 or the Big XII so it decides to actually descend the ladder a little bit and rejoin the WAC, a conference it left in 1999 because it had become watered-down even by BYU standards with no-talent programs.

Big_Ben

@ Buzz

I am guessing that was an attempt at humor? Sarcasm?

MESOUTE

BUZZ:
Are you serious? So what you are saying is that it is wrong for LDS members to cheer against they Y and that it is their duty to blindly support anything church-based? Incredible. So should I have blindly followed the church in the days that it treated women and African Americans as second class citizens? Ute fans don't generally dislike the Y because of its affiliation with the LDS faith, Ute fans generally dislike the Y because we love our team and zoobs have proven to be amongst the most ignorant and self-righteous fan bases this world has yet known.

Johnny Triumph

A few years as independent and a Big12 invite will appear...they'll want to expand again to get a conf football championship and BYU will be available. This is a no-brainer for BYU.

AFCoug

With the latest news on the WAC if BYU goes independent they would be better off joining the PCC and playing Gonzaga in B-Ball. I would love to have them in the Marriott Center every year! That move would hurt BYU's only other major sport a lot less than joining a lowly WAC. Still go independent or force the MWC to allow BYU to make it's own football TV deals with ESPN or thier own TV network.

Buzz

Don't put words in my mouth Mesquite. I never said you have to become a Y fan. I am talking about hating the Y.

How can any LDS person hate a church entity? Explain that to me?

And I don't care if there are self-righteous Y fans out there. It does not give an LDS person any excuse to hate the Y.

What is so blind about LDS members supporting church based things? Do you know what it is to be LDS? When you become LDS you leave neutral ground and I see nothing wrong with "not hating" anything that comes from it.

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