To Hair; getting bigger does not help you either with AQ or your tv.., your tiny
tv k will now be split even furtheramong additional mid level mid levels.This is a bad move for nevada fsu and boise state in the long run. The
grass really is not greener in the mwc.
Make no mistake, this is a power play by the MWC to keep BYU. It’s not a
coincidence that the MWC dismantles the WAC on the same day that BYU threatens
to leave to the WAC. Losing BYU would cost the MWC more money than they would
ever recoup from adding Nevada and Fresno ST.Bottom line: if BYU
never threatens to leave, Nevada and Fresno St Never get this invite, these
invites have more to do with keeping BYU than any other factor.
Why do some of you think that BYU has the power or persuasion to make
other teams do what is in the best interest of BYU (ala convince TCU, BSU etc.
to join them in the WAC)? That just reeks of arrogance which among other
actions has pretty much garnered the ire of teams in two conferences. News
flash, maybe your world revolves around BYU football but the rest of the nation
really doesn’t care; they should and will do what’s in their best
interests (Fresno, UNR). By the way nice job in sticking it to USU but no worry
since it is all about you and your football (nice job selling your other
sports/athletes down the river).
BYU would be crazy to go independent now and join the WAC in all other sports
If I'm BYU, I stay true to joining the WAC. However, I convince SDSU, UNLV,
BSU, and TCU to go with me and the WAC now has 10 football schools and BYU as an
independant in football and a WAC member for everything else. The "new" WAC's
tv revenue with ESPN would increase with the addition of a So. Cal market, the
Vegas market and a Texas market and the WAC will easily be able to pay these
teams more $ than the MWC does ($1.2M each). BYU operates as a football
independant and keeps its ESPN and BYUTV revenue and schedules 4-6 WAC teams
every year including USU, BSU, TCU, UNLV or SDSU. and Hawaii (to pick up the
extra cash for a 13th game). Everyone is happy because every one of these
schools gets more $ and Thompson and the MWC lose.
The MWC is yesterday's league. I'm still shocked Boise State said yes to
MWC--I'm sure the ESPN darlings took a pay cut to join MWC. The MWC will never
be an AQ conference--the MWC is only attractive to mid-major teams who think
they might possibly have a chance to play with the big boys someday. "Hey, we
get to be on TV!" teams. Put USU in that category.I wouldn't be
surprised if TCU has been talking with other conferences. TCU is only in the
MWC to play Utah and BYU in football. Personally, I'd like to see BYU and TCU
in the Big 12, but the Big 12 TV deal requires some Sunday games, so the Y isn't
all that attractive to them.
Cougars --Best Little BrothersBYU's only official response so far to
all of the independence rumors is that BYU is studying its options.BYU doesn't have to ask Thompson and the MWC for anything and Thompson, if he
had any brains, which is doubtfull, would be pulling out all of the stops to
pursuade BYU to stay in the fold because without BYU, the MWC's slim chances of
becoming an AQ conference are dead and the chances of the MWC being able to
improve their television contract are just as dead.Thompson is about
to lose the entire Utah market in order to pick up Reno and Fresno.How smart is that?
With the addition of Fresno and Nev., the MWC will actually have a worse chance
of AQ status even if BYU stays in the conference. They do nothing to improve
the middle portion of the league. The Y should move to any conference with an
automatic qualification for Basketball, and that will let them have control over
their sports broadcasting. BTW, any team in the MWC can leave at any time. So,
Nevada and Fresno can return and for that matter BSU can still leave before they
ever play a game in the conference.
Cougars --Best Little Brothers | 11:24 a.m. Aug. 19, 2010looks like
Thompson out-smarted Holmoe now.------------Really? I
thought you were smarter than that. How does adding Fresno and Nevada outsmart
BYU? Neither team makes the conference better in football, they just water down
the pot. The MWC look on course to become a super-league that cannot support
it's members finacially like the old WAC.Read bigdaddy's comments.
Holmoe called a hard count and Thompson just jumped.
Little Brother,You need to ask your mommie to read you the articles
again. BYU hasn't left yet.Wow, I've been out of Utah for a long
time, but I forgot how jealous you U people are. I hope Utah does well in the
Pac-12, they've built a great program and KyleW is a fantastic coach - best of
luck, really!BYU will leave, and with ESPN as a guardian angle. The
Mountain West will never be a BCS conference, especially not now. I'm afraid
Fresno and Nevada will regret this, they - and Utah State - will probably be the
big losers, and that's too bad.The Mtn Channel lost 3 mil views, and
picked up just over half a mil. There are more mouths fighting over scraps from
a smaller table. The MWC is better, but not by enough.
looks like Thompson out-smarted Holmoe now.Holmoe should just
ask for BYU to come back to MWC.Thompson should make him to make a
public praise of the new MWC and accepts BYU back.Peace!!!
@CommontaterThat is hilarious. BYU has done a hard snap count and
drawn Hair Thompson, the MWC, ESPN, SLT, DN and a whole host of other papers and
magazines offsides on this one. Meanwhile, they haven't said a word other than
they are considering it.What's funny is Utah decides to leave for
another conference, ho-hum let's get Boise St. Then, based on an internet rumor,
somebody else says BYU is going independent, BYU says basically nothing, and the
whole world is turned upside down.
@UteologyYou seem kinda stressed out about Jazzball being stressed
out about Wedgehog never getting stressed out cuz all he has going in his life
is eating, sleeping and looking for BYU articles in order to make pithy little
comments.Chill out, enjoy your team rather than stressing out so
Big_BenWhy are you still so obsessed with the MWC and BYU? I thought
Utah fans had "moved on"!---------------------------Adding Fresno State and Nevada did nothing to change the MWC's lousy
television package which is locked in until 2016. The MWC could renegotiate the
amount they're getting, but the coverage and exposure won't change at all.BYU's primary concern is exposure for it's sports programs and the
church. BYU will have a brand new, state of the art, HD broadcast facility that
will be up and ready to go by 2011. BYU isn't about to let that facility sit
idly next to the Marriott Center hoping that in five years the MWC will finally
be able to put together a decent television package and give BYU back its
broadcast rights.It's time for BYU to pull the plug on the MTN and
move on. If the MWC wants to invite BYU back to participate in other sports
after BYU pulls out, BYU should consider that. If not, the WCC would be a great
fit for BYU's other sports, especially basketball.
@WedgehogDon't be a bigger idiot than you usually are. First of all,
this isn't Tom Holmoe's doing. He's just the front man. This is being
orchestrated many levels above him and planning for this began years ago,
shortly after the disastrous first year of the Mtn. network.It
should be obvious but since you're a little thick I'll type it out r-e-a-l
s-l-o-w-l-y. The LDS church is very careful about their own brand and regretted
signing away control of the broadcasting and distribution of one of it's own
products and they want to get it back. It has nothing to do with wanting to be a
Notre Dame or anything else. Its simply about getting back control of their own
product. Pumping gas for a living you probably wouldn't know much about running
a business so having to make important "grown up" decisions like wouldn't make
sense to you.Also, Jimmer's final season is this year in the MWC not
next year (which is when BBall would join the WAC). Engage your brain next time
People talk like Houston is itching to join up with the MWC, Fresno and Nevada
are schools that bring enough clout to somehow put us over the top in the BCS,
and that any other sport other than football is somehow relevant as to who plays
each other in college sports. The MWC can invite Houston all they want,
but will they come? Fresno didn't get them a bowl bid before, has anything
changed? No one is going to tune into the great Nevada-UNLV rivalry, and it
doesn't matter who BYU plays in the other sports other than basketball (in
soccer BYU doesn't even participate in the NCAA).This is all about
television money and how many people tune into a BYU game. If people can't see
BYU (football) than BYU is irrelevant in college sports. So BYU will go the
direction that brings them the most exposure nationally and the most money. ESPN
probably is interested in BYU, but do they care if BYU is in a conference? My
opinion is probably not. Should somebody show some loyalty to this rag tag
group of teams that has ridden BYUs' coat tails for decades?
One thing to considerhere is has BYU set up the MWC? The MWC has been slow to
make this move for years. Adding BSU in 2005 would have been the smart thing
but they failed to do it then. Adding Fresno and Nevada would have made them a
12 team 2 division conferance with a championship game. Maybe BYU hacked the
CSU web site to make the Mountain West actually make the move. Both WAC schools
were offered after word "leaked" BYU was going independent. I think BYU is
likley setting up the MWC and forcing thier hand. They may also force it to do
a Texas on the MWC and stay in the conferance but be allowed to work their own
TV deals.How about this. BYU has rights to all home games and away
games vs non-conferance. Mtn/CBS/Comcast get all away games in conferance. BYU
sells home and non-conferance games to ESPN ($1M a piece) or broadcasts them
themselves. They get less of the MTN cut (maybe 750k vs $1.5M) but make that
and a whole lot more selling games to ESPN at $750k to $1M a pop x 8 home games.
Great time to be a ute! We watch the little guys fight over the scraps that we
drop them from the big-boy table.
Funny thing Pride. Maybe they should talk about in Conference along
with Vanity, Arrogance, & Greed.
Is it just me or does anyone else remember how much BYU fans attacked Utah for
leaving the MWC?Hypocritical?
The tds trying to follow in Utah's footsteps is a sad reflection on our program
and its leadership. We've tried too hard to keep up with the "Jones'" up north
and it's going to be to our demise. Now we have no bowl to go to in
December. We've burned a bridge with the MWC, the WAC has lost their best teams
and our prospective schedule in 2011 will be mediocre at best. Our home
schedule will be terrible and fan support will drop. Our
independence will lead to our demise. I can't believe Holmoe is doing this to
our program. It's an injustice to the fans, it's school, and the church. I'm
supposed to be excited to play USU, LA Tech, ID Vandals, San Jose St. at
MWC needs to add the Aggies.
Re: RodgersReally? Although the TV deal is pathetic, the MWC is
still the better confernce. This was a move to weaken the WAC and foce BYUs
hand. Nothing more.
If holmoe goes through with this, he just sold every non football student
athelete at the why down the river. Thought he was making a decision that would
be "best" for all BYU athletics. Dosent seem to well thought out as Craig
Thompson just punked him. Oh yeah that little 5m buyout that the y wanted in
place didnt seem to work too well. Also considering Nevada never even signed
the contract. SHeesh, who is doing the due dilligence down there?
Thompson spoke after returning from a meeting in Philadelphia with Comcast and
CBS officials, who said they wanted the league and its television network
– The mtn. – to reach more marketsYep, you add Reno and
Fresno, to the deck and the MWC has now cornered the 121st (with Boise), the
143rd, and the 160th, sized markets. Boy oh boy, I bet Comcast, CBS, are licking
their chops over the vast new audience. Wednesday’s moves just diluted the
league into obscurity. The point the BCS has been making to the MWC has been the
need to "lose" the deadwood, (apologies to CSU, SDSU, UNLV, New Mexico, Old
Mexico, and Wyoming. Nevada got rolled over by a terrible Notre dame team 65-0,
the same year SDSU almost beat the 'Domers, and to my knowledge have only wins
over UNLV out of conference. Fresno, comes close to Wisconsin every few years,
WOW. I have to be ignoring the larger markets adjacent to Reno and Fresno,
right? Nope, their aren't any, both cites are entirely self contained.Don't you'all love the yutz boo-birds? If it isn't about them, they just can't
Crazy rumors going everywhere. Thompson did this to try and keep BYU to stay but
if you really want us to stay we want our own TV rights.Seriously
just let us out of the MTN!!! Thats all I want. BYU on a station that doesn't
look like iprovo! Timpview high school has broadcasts as good as the MWC ones.
BYU is now forced to leave the MWC. Their arrogance will not allow them to save
face — not to mention BYU would now be forced to accept a smaller piece of
the revenue pie ( Fresno and Nevada).I suspect Jimmer wishes he
tried to go pro last year. Y would he want to play in a “dead man
walking” WAC conference?
who will be the 12th team? UH or UH the choice is between oilfields and palm
PLEASE, MWC, don't let BYU back in.
No Big-12.No Big-10.Just WACky!With Nevada and Fresno St
moving on to MWC, it seems BYU made a really "good" move going to the WACky.Congrats, Holmoe and Bronco.(thanks, Chris Hill and Coack Kyle for
delivering the PAC-12 --sure much better than WACky!!!)
gee I almost agree with hedghog. never thought that would happen. Fire Holmoe
for even thinking that a depleted WAC would be a better situation then they
have.however, this is all about more TV Money. BYU will not get more
money from the BYU Channel. but the BYU Channel is a bargaining chip to getting
a better deal form the league. i can see BYU TV game reruns but I can not see
how it would make a difference to broadcast 12 games a year. holmoe
is most likely looking at the big 12 and what happened with Texas. For staying
with the Big 12 Texas was given the right to an even more unbalanced money share
then they already had and the rights to start their own network. BYU
may get a better deal but leave the conference? If that happens, fire up the BBQ
Holmoe is toast.
Rodgers-Thats easy to answer. Better competition, better chance for
a auto-BCS bid, and more money in the long run. Plus for Nevada, they are now in
the same conference as their main rival. Plus they saw the writing on the wall
when Boise left, the WAC is a sinking ship.
Unless the MWC goes to 12 and invites USU, the Aggie football program is done.
All the money they've spent improving facilities. The hiring of Andersen who'll
build that program given a chance. It's a shame. People in Logan have to be
pretty down right now. The old boys network that was at USU for so long, the
network that hired coaches like Pella, Arslanian, Dennehy, Guy, are as
responsible as anyone for the situation that USU football was in for years. Too
bad it took so long for an AD like Barnes to be hired. Too bad it took so long
to get a good football coach. Too bad all around.
Lets get this straight. BYU bolts from the WAC to join better teams in the MWC
a few years ago. Now they bolt from the MWC to go back to the WAC which no
longer has Boise, Nevada or Fresno. Who's driving this ship Holmoe? Is BYU
pushing the panic button in response to Utah's move to the PAC 12?Memo to BYU: Stay in the MWC and wait for AQ status in two years.Memo to Craug Thompson: Add the Houston Cougars to round out the MWC to 12
Isn't it interesting what the media has accomplished over the last two days and
BYU hasn't even opened their mouths. They haven't even said one word, not one
word about their intent. Enjoy!
Nobody can answer the question why fres and nev want to go to the mwc and their
pathetic tv deal. The wac has espn. why hypocritically leave?
Thompson seems to have a very hard time with all these teams in one year, out
the next, in the next etc. He may be the problem regarding conference line ups.
Adding Nevada and Fresno brings more clout to the MWC and less to the WAC.
jazzbball|7:00 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010Lol....there's hedgie. All over BYU
articles. Hedgies daily schedule:------Why are you so
offended? Isn't "exposure" the reason BYU is going indpendent? With exposure
you will get people that don't agree with you opinions. Chill out,
enjoy your team rather stressing out so much.
Leaving MWC would be risky for BYU. Adding FSU and Nevada is the countermove
from MWC to keep Cougs. BYU will not get the same support from the BCS like
Notre Dame gets. This all stems from football seeing that they want to go
Independent is only football. Being in a BCS Conference automatically gives each
school more money and a spot on the 5 BCS bowls which is also a significant sum
of money. The MTN TV deals can easily be tweaked. If BYU stays then I see the
MWC being an AQ after the 2011 season. Cougs need to be patient for two years
and stop panicking about Utah getting more money and exposure, Utah does not
receive the full amount on their TV deal with the PAC 12 for four years anyways.
This will backfire at BYU if they play this wrong. But if you do go independent
then good luck on getting in a BCS game... just ask Navy and Army how tough it
is to be guarenteed a spot by only being in the top two BCS standings at years
end... GO UTES!!!!
Thanks BYU you just killed the WAC and now Utah State is royally screwed...I
don't see why the MWC doesn't invite USU to the table. They'd make a good travel
travel team to play being close to Boise.
RickD,Thank you for your "A Twin Falls paper this afternoon reports
....."quote. I will chuckle thinking about it for days!
I really hope that the MWC will revise their TV deal and let ESPN broadcast some
games. With 11 teams all we need is one more for a CONF championship game. Then
the MWC needs to get into a bigger bowl with a much higher pay out than $1
million. The MWC will be a force and will be stupid to let BYU slip away
Kids, Fresno and Nevada can say no, but boosters can come up with $5 mil quick
if they want their teams to chang conferences, so don't believe all you read.The source is USU.There is plenty of time before the
September 1st deadline.Hog, Holmoe has forgoten more about college
football in the past half-hour than you have ever shown that you know.Look at the success of BYU athletics compared to Dr. Hill and Boylen.Fire Holmoe??? Why???
BYU should not go independent. Article on ESPN confirms that Nevada and Fresno
are moving to the MWC. BYU should stay in the MWC and the MWC should become a
12 team conference (add another Texas school). There's a good chance that the
MWC would become a BCS conference if BYU stays. BYU going independent will not
get respect from the BCS like Notre Dame gets. It could be a very bad move for
BYU to go independent... BYU would most likely be irrelevant if it becomes
Cap L what is your source on BYU eventually going Big 12? It would not
surprise me but if BYU is going to get 1.4 to 2 mill for home games from ESPN
that is a lot more than they are ever going to get from the MTN. BYU
has been working on this option for 3 years or more. The timing is right now
that Texas has opened up the door. Nevada and Fresno are not a big
deal to BYU. They can be replaced for Bball etc by other schools. Gonzaga and
Butler do very nicely from weak basketball conferences. BYU can do likewise and
televise all of their games nationally. This is going to work much
better than most think. BYU has been negotiating with ESPN for weeks. This is no
act of desperation. I am sure they will have some basket ball deal to go with
the football deal. Any non ESPN broadcasts will be international BYU games. That
should help recruiting.
Satch, I think you're right. Beating up on Pepperdine and Santa Clara sounds
alot better than being smacked around by Utah State.
Nevada and Fresno St. has accepted the invitation by the MWC. That is straight
from the MWC website. So the WAC is left with 6 teams and is crippled. BYU still
has options on the table. The WCC, West Coast Conferance said they would allow
BYU to play all other sports with them. Which is great when you consider that is
were the basketball powerhouse Gonzaga calls home. The other sports would still
fair well enough off since the main bulk of revenue comes from Football and
basketball. Another option is for the MWC to revise its crud deal with The Mtn
network. Allow simulcasts and renew the contract with ESPN. What ESPN doesnt
cover, the Mnt, VS, and CBSc will pick up. And the MWC must allow BYU to
broadcast games on their high tech BYU TV. Either situation is a win win for the
Cougars and a Win, sort ok situation for the MWC. The MWC needs BYU and its vast
market and following. If they revise the contract and byu stays, the MWC will be
a force, and will get out of that crap bowl deal and send the champ to somewhere
other than Vegas for once.
BYU football has no other choice than to go independent. I think the other
sports ought to think about joining the WCC. The WCC actually have
better teams than the WAC. Gonzaga, Pepperdine, St. Mary's, and Santa Clara
sound better than NMSU, Utah State, etc....
There's has to be something else going on here!Without BYU and Utah
the MWC broadcasting package is worth about as much as a year's pass to Sizzler.
Who brings the SLC / Utah market now?Fresno and Nevada know this,
why take the risk? What changed from Tuesday night when they said no to
Wednesday when they said yes.However, if the MWC gets Fresno and
Utah, and BYU decides to stay, does that allow the MWC to renegotiate their
broadcasting agreement?Is ESPN manipulating things in the
background? With an 11 team (12 team? Add Houston and bring in another big
market and strong athletic program?) they will have a playoff game, more money
and exposure. I've been waiting for someone at the SLTrib or DNews
to address this angle.AT this point I hope BYU stays.
@RickDYou need to go to the respective schools' websites. It's
posted there very clearly that Nevada and Fresno St. have accepted the
The WAC has just been sent back to the stone age. Maybe they can add Weber and
I was excited about independence, but with fresno st and nevada joining the MWC,
I am not so sure. The other sports will get hurt bad. I am not sure if the WAC
is even going to be a conference in 2011. Who would they add? As much as I hate
to admit it I am not so sure BYU expected this, and has egg all over their face.
Hey Rick D: Sorry fellow Cougar fan but this is a quote from the Fresno Bee
"Fresno State President John Welty announced that the school accepted the
invitation to join the Mountain West Conference at a news conference in the
university's Duncan athletic building." Looks like ol' Hedge Hog got you on
that one.Good day for Cougar football. Horrible day for all other
BYU going INDEPENDENT should have been done when "The Mountain" TV Contract came
out! It took away from BYU's TV Exposure and nobody nationwide can see them!
Good Job Tom Holmoe! The WAC will be good for the other sports, USU is a tough
competitor in Basketball, and BYU will have a new "Rivalry" with them! Something had to be done to Keep Up With Utah and their new Deal, 12.7 Million
a year against BYU's 1.3 TV Deal in the Mountain? What would you do? Let's face
it, College Football will be played on Thursday, Friday, Saturday AND ALSO ON
SUNDAY SOONER rather than later, now is the time to make the jump to
Independence and control your own game times and dates. A Deal with
BYU TV, and ESPN will up bring in the bigger bucks, and up the recruiting! BYU
has the fan base to go INDEPENDENT, and this is a great thing to do now!!! Good
Job, I look forward to the announcement!
DeKalbESPN reported they said no, SLTrib said yes - gee, I'll stick
with ESPN for now if it's OK with you.Fresno will have a hard time
justifying the $5 mil hit to leave. I'm not sure Nevada will have to pay, though
I think having Nevada and UNLV in the same conference is a very good match.It may happen, but it still doesnt make sense for Fresno or Nevada.
Without BYU it will be very hard to get BCS AQ. The MWC really doesn't have that
much more to offer, except trips to Wyoming.
The bad MTN TV contract was the big problem. The WAC can add a couple of other
teams. BYU basketball can carry itself with good coverage. The rest of the
sports are not problematic as far as a conference is concerned.
Hedge,I'm new here, but "Hog" chill! This was posted on
ESPN this afternoon:" The two most successful programs in the WAC
are Nevada and Fresno State. However, ESPN.com's Andy Katz reports that Nevada
and Fresno State, approached by the MWC on Tuesday, have agreed to stay in the
WAC. "They have to pay $5 mill each to leave, which makes it very
difficult - but not impossible. That's what ESPN is saying, but agian things
change.A Twin Falls paper this afternoon reports that Boise is
considering going back to the WAC. Without BYU the Mountain West won't get an
automatic bid, and Boise won't dominate the MWC with TCU in it.If
Fresno and Nevada come to the MWC, BYU should consider staying, they improve the
chances for an automatic BCS bid.It will be interesting to see how
things end up.
Dave K. , I think your right, BYU will end up in another conference. I have
heard BYU will end up in the Big 12 and has a TV contract(BYU's own TV network )
This is a short term stay and BYU will land in another conference in a few
years. Everyone is so quick to judge this, but a few years from now it will
make more sense. I don't think anything is set in stone for the future, but the
MTN tv contract is a real ugly deal and worth leaving.
Why wasn't Thompson inviting these teams earlier this year? This looks more and
more like a chinese fire drill. Get out BYU, we're way better off going it
alone, that relying on lame commissioners and half-hearted efforts.
RickD,Pay attention. They actually said YES! You need to look
around to get your information. So the MWC now has 10 teams without byu and the
WAC only has 6. They need to add 2 schools before the 2011 season.
Hey RickD, No they have not at this point. Wishful thinking.BYU's
not really going to play in a WAC conference without Boise, Nevada, and
Fresneck, are they? Talk about big fish in small pond. And I mean small.I think BYU is bluffing like Texas did to get more control over their TV
rights, and it might not be going so well.
Not only were they invite - they accepted. Breaking news on the "other"
paper.Now what tds, do you come crawling back?Honestly,
Did Holmoe really think this one out?Again, this guy should have
been fired years ago.
Lol....there's hedgie. All over BYU articles. Hedgies daily schedule:Sleep, look for BYU articles for 3 hours, eat, look for BYU articles for 4
hours,Eat, look for BYU articles for 4 hours. Bed. Goooooo
hog,Pay attention. They already said no, and BSU is thinking about
staying in the WAC now.If the WAC adds TCU it will be what the MWC
wants to be but can't.
So this is what it took for the MWC to do the smart thing and become a 12 team
league, now, invite Houston become a BCS league and be done with this. Oh and
get the a half decent TV deal.
Looks like BYU can look at storied powerhouses like LA tech and NMS.Holmoe should be fired.