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Utah's attorney general strongly disagrees with appeals court

Published: Thursday, Aug. 19 2010 12:41 a.m. MDT

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the cat nextdoor

Beautiful photograph. Probably could be displayed in a museum without any ruling against it.

lifeOnEarth

life after death a belief most people believe this..
paying respects to thier family of those kiiled

shamrock

I think it's a great idea to have memorials to honor the fallen UHP troopers, but I agree with the federal court that a cross is a deeply religious symbol. It's almost Orwellian to think otherwise.

If the cross isn't religious, then I guess the Star of David isn't either, and it's just a coincidence that the UHP chose a cross. So everyone's cool if we construct all future UHP memorials in the shape of a six-point star, right?

Stenar

GOOD! Those crosses are creepy.

Be Practical

It is not inappropriate to honor a fallen officer by acknowledging his sacrifice to the community at some other location besides his grave. Symbols can have more than one meaning. (Unless you truly believe you can pierce my heart with your mouse pointer). While a cross is indeed a symbol of Christianity, it is also more universally recognized as a symbol of death. (What other symbol comes to mind?) If the predominate religion of this state wanted to impose its religious views on the community it would not be in the form of a cross, there are no crosses on or inside LDS churches or temples. The 10th circuit simply got this one wrong.

USAlover

When will the President of the United States no longer be able to say "God Bless America". That certainly is an endorsement from the President of religion.

We are done as a powerful nation. Done....

Gary

Seems times are a-changing. Simply change the crosses to something else that memorializes a dead person and it will catch on to others. It doesn't have to continue being a cross like the churches use as part of their religion. I personally have never thought of crosses being church related when it was posted to show a dead person died. But reading this article, it makes sense to me and the judge ruled correctly. It's time to change things so that the country adheres to the Constitution regarding religion. And if wondering if I am LDS? Yep I am.

USAlover

Atheism is so inspiring, isn't it?

onceuponatime

If Athiests truly do not believe in God then why fight it. After all if ther is no God there is no right or wrong and we are just a bunch of chemical reactions in the brain. So get off your high horse and leave religion alone.

doitanyway

The demise of America has been slow in coming but gaining speed on the downhill. 'Tolerance', 'freedoms', and 'rights' have been nitpicked onto their deathbeds. Frivolous litigation is becoming the norm. You want your rights but quash mine to get them. Just add this to the list of things that are degenerating our country.

I am a Christian, don't display crosses, and never once think of religion when I see a cross on the side of the road. I think of a sad and tragic death and grieving loved ones.

I see things all the time that are offensive, and then remind myself that those who do it have that right. I look away, avoid it if I can, and never once think of suing.

I would love to know: Does Atheism foster negativity and complaining, or is it the other way around?

OnlyInUtah

Our present court system stinks.. I think it's time to get new judges!

Moderate

Arlington Cemetery does not have crosses.

They have rows of headstones, not crosses.

Some of the headstones have crosses carved into them, some a Star of David, some have nothing.
But the shape of the Arlington monuments is not a cross. Go to arlingtoncemetery website and check out the photo section.

You're probably thinking of a rows of crosses in European cemeteries.

Mithrandir

Bizarre ruling, yes. But ultimately the issue at hand isn't religion. It is the foolish notion of "public land". If there is "public property" then everyone wants their share of the say-so. How can everyone who owns the "public land" get their say-so? Of course, they can't. Under this false notion of "public land" the atheists are just getting their fair share. After all, the religionists get Arlington, why shouldn't the atheists get the freeway?

The only solution to issues like this is to recognize that all property should be private. Yes, even roads. Yes, even national parks. Yes, even capitol buildings leased to the government by private individuals.

I know that's extraordinarily radical for anyone who made it through enough comments to get this far, but test it against every single public property issue and see if doesn't work: protests at General Conference, mineral exploration in barren Utah deserts, retrieval of treasure from the ocean floor, hookah bars, renting to gays, disposal of slag, Legacy highways, advertising along I-15, and on and on...

Let's give liberty a try.

K

I am pleased that Utah legislature had no problems with the crosses. After all LDS typically shun such symbols.

I love how a Texas group can tell the state of Utah what to do and no one bat an eye? Utah group (not exactly accurate) and California there is a different perspective. Hmm?

Marine

To: THe Atheist.

Likewise, We want you to do the same and keep to yourself as well and stop forcing your beliefs on others. These crosses are a symbol of death. When I see them I drive a little better through the area and then I feel some respect for the fallen officer who served for my safety. I can't just put them in a grave and forget about them.

Not_Scared

It’s nice when things are simple. I’m glad to photograph crosses. I’m happy that there is no mil spec for how people view death. One man’s cross is another man’s Star of David. People want a government defined uniform death symbol?

I’ve photographed more graves than any person I know. Yes, I have some cool crosses. I also have angels and other symbols. I’m expert in the aesthetics of burial grounds. You see very strong symbols used in death. Strong symbolism makes for strong images.

I love the bright red used for the blood of Christ. In Germany death is orderly. Americans have a beverage can view of death. You see this as you study the graves of ghost towns and old settlements,

If you seek to be alone, go to a veteran’s cemetery, on Memorial Day.

Headstones are broken, the weeds and the tall grass hides the graves of paupers. Most graves have no markers. You can see the depressions of graves without gravestones. We cast of any responsibility to the dead like a beverage container thrown into a dumpster.

ClarkHippo

Don't all of you understand that atheism is the new state religion of America?

Richard Dawkins, author of "The God Delusion" makes no bones about the fact he would like to see religion completely wiped out in both the U.S. and throughout the world. And there are many who agree with him, including a good number of federal and state judges.

Devan

1) Most of crosses are not on public land. For example my Dad's memorial near Strawberry Reservoir is on donated private land.

2) The Atheists group has decided where they stand by attacking anything that resembles religion.

3) This case could open up a box to remove crosses all across cemeteries. Let's see who all the vets feel about this one.

firstamendment

If the police who died decided before they died that they wanted a cross, then they have every right.

There are many government run cemeteries, those who want crosses have crosses. At Arlington National Cemetery there are many crosses, and all graves get a Christmas wreath each year.

I’m sure I shouldn’t say that with pagan around, he doesn’t want people to have religious rights, right pagan? He's opposed to rights for religious people to vote on moral issues, and all that. ; )


And the Atheists, ACLU or someone will certainly join his cause to root religion out of our breasts……; ) just messin pagan, but we know it’s true.

Pete1215

Are those athiests nuts? Are they trying to make people outraged? Don't they have better things to do with their time?

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