They heard bsu was coming and got scared. They don't want 30 point losses to 2
conference opponents every year(tcu and bsu)
I find this move to be disconcerting. BYU seems to be chasing the Benjamins.College football is clearly financially motivated, but BYU is not a
national football power and never will be. I loved 1984 -- but it was a fluke.
Football reached a new low. BYU won the national championship despite narrowly
defeating a very mediocre Michigan team.Oklahoma got upset in Miami
and BYU found itself atop the heap -- but struggles to compete against really
solid programs (e.g., FSU last year, TCU the past couple of years, and
occasionally Utah).Unless BYU can drop a thumping on some big time
schools, it is in the midst of a hallucinogenic dream to think it can be an
independent in football and a WAC member otherwise.Of course, I'm no
expert . . . but that's my take on this issue.
BYU must know what many of us suspect: a MWC auto-bid is NOT going to happen.I don't blame BYU leaving or Nevada and Fresno not wanting to join. The
MWC TV deal and bowl arrangements are horrendous.
Bring it on!
BYU hasn't pulled the trigger yet, but it looks like they're ready to. The MWC
better act quickly or they may just be a second tier conference in a few days.
Especially if BSU decides to remain in the WAC and TCU also joins the WAC.Utah leaves and everything keeps going, BYU leaves and the whole show falls
College football is nuts right now!!! Who knows what is going to happen next!!!
As long as I could see the Cougars on TV again, I'm all for it.
I am so confused...
...and Texas is moving to the Pac 10.
I remember when I got off of my mission in 2006, and the talk of the town was
that the Mountain West conference was going to form its own TV channel. I
thought it was ridiculous. Everyone except Thompson seemed to think it was a
bad idea. Isn't it funny that the two flagship members (Utah and
BYU) leave and talk about leaving and the main reason is the TV deal? Because
of the TV deal, the entire conference is now unstable, and frankly, I doubt it
can save itself. I wonder where TCU stands on this. I would be
willing to bet they are on the phones trying to get back into C-USA.
You think the Las Vegas Bowl is bad, . . .how 'bout that Humanitarian Bowl?
Interesting. So if BYU is required to play 4 to 6 WAC teams in football every
year, BSU and USU (two teams they were looking at playing every year anyway)
could be among them. Add Fresno St. and Hawaii, and it doesn't look so bad. It's
better than playing Wyoming, SDSU, CSU, UNLV, and New Mexico every year on top
of playing USU.
@ unwholly taciturnthats a pretty arrogant statement to make, seeing
as how Utah was the first domino to fall. I think altahoops has it
right. I just want to see my team on TV!
Is this all being misread and the reality is BYU wants to go back to the WAC so
it can have autonomy to do its own TV channel/deal? If so, would they be able
to take TCU and BSU with them to help legitimize the conference?
LOL, Utah leaves, no big deal. BYU leaves, MWC folds. Another reminder as to who
the top dog in the MWC really was.
Louisiana Cougar, you're missing the point--this is about TV revenue. Whether
the Cougars ever win again the national championship, they want to take
advantage of the TV revenue they've generated for years but have had to share
with a bunch of uninteresting MWC teams that didn't carry their weight in
putting people in the seats or bringing viewers to TV. Yes, it's a dog-eat-dog
world in football, so more power to BYU for trying to capture the revenue THEY
This semms like a good, solid move for BYU. I think they should move all sports
to the WAC including football. Then they can play on national tv, get even
better recruits. It would really hurt the MWC that has recently lost Utah,
another blow from a top team could destroy their chances of a BCS berth, who
@unwholly taciturnWhatever floats your boat. The MWC would be
unstable if BSU left, NOT BYU. With Utah gone and BSU out, the MWC suddenly
becomes 0-1 in BCS games.Given the turmoil the MWC currently finds
itself, prior to BYU officially leaving, I'd say Utah's departure WAS a big deal
not "everything keeps going."But again, if it helps you sleep at
RIP, MWC (not). Let's hope TCU and Boise bolt (back) to the suddenly relevant
WAC. BYU is in a unique position to actually pull this off. Which will once
again make the state school to the north about as relevant as Washington State.
Awesome. Pull the trigger and do it, Holmoe!
Unwholly: Are you telling me that BYU would be considering this drastic move
even if Utah hadn't accepted a PAC-10 invitation? (Wrong!)Interesting game of chicken with the MTN network, though.
Fiddler, the important teams to a conference are the teams that go to BCS games.
That would be Utah and TCU, byu is one of the top dogs in the conference but not
on the national stage. It would kill the MWC if TCU left after Utah, they can
find another byu.
@Fiddler Are you serious? If Utah didn't leave BYU wouldn't be going
anywhere......sucks they didn't have a better option like the Utes. Though I'm
not sure how this is going to help their in-state recruiting? Would you rather
play for a Pac-12 team or an psudo-independent that plays 6 WAC teams a year?
Easy choice if you ask me.
WOW...That is some amazing information especially if BSU decides to return.But the MWC is dead no matter what so good move I think...and byutv would be
nice to watch games on.
Holmoe say what?This whole thing is a Colorado Twitter rumor.
I can't believe BYU fans are against. Fans will have better TV coverage,
traditional rivalries will remain, old ones can be renewed, and the Cougs can
regularly schedule 7 home games. The best news will be the fall of TheMtn.
Ha ha Chris B is scared, If BYU moves to the WAC they will knock BSU out of
their throne and reign supreme and probably win another NC! While the Pootes
will get Vegas bowl after Vegas bowl in the Pac 10 haa haaha. Why let BSU rule
the WAC and get the BCS love when the MWC will never get an auto bid, brilliant
move by BYU if it happens, they can go in and take over. I say do it!! p.s. GO PITT!!
Football: Boise State, BYU, Nevada, Fresno State and the WAC > Boise State, TCU,
Air Force and MWC excluding BYU.
@ Big BenYou think my statement is arrogant? I beg to differ. I'm not on
these boards often, and don't offer opinion for banter. I'm not a fan of Utah or
BYU nor am I LDS. BYU is considered a rival by most of the MWC teams, more so
than any other conference member. Utah fans are quick to point out that it is
because they are the most hated team. The team everyone wants to beat. I simply
am pointing out that they have always been the flagship team of the conference.
I understand Utah was the first domino, but other teams from the MWC weren't
talking about rejoining the WAC when Utah defected. This article states that
they now are.
this sounds like the same type of drama that preceded texas NOT going to the
RUMOR! How did CBS C get in the mix (BYU vs Washington). Thanks again Mtn.
Messing with BYU TV games again. Yipes! Let's get out of the MWC and leave the
mediocre Mtn in the dust. KSL where are you?
"Wiley Old School | 11:38 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010Unwholly: Are you telling me
that BYU would be considering this drastic move even if Utah hadn't accepted a
PAC-10 invitation? (Wrong!)"BYU has been working on this sort of
thing for at least 3 years. Utah wanted to do something as well but didn't have
BYU's capabilities so when the Pac-10 called, they jumped and I don't blame
them. Both schools have been looking at options ever since the Mtn failed.
This is nuts! It is crazy all that has went down with college football this
off-season. I would welcome BYU to the WAC in basketball. With the Ags, Cougs,
Nevada, and a decent New Mexico St. team the WAC could be a pretty substantial
basketball conference. It would be great to get home and away every year with
BYU. Also, with the Cougars playing the same conference opponents it would be
easy to tell each year which is truly the better team. Go State!!!
The MTN Network has killed the conference.
It is not about the TV revenue. It is about the TV exposure. BYU has it's own
channel. The MTN TV arrangement is an albatross for BYU. They can
threaten to go independent in a move to force the MTN to give them the same TV
arrangement Texas has. If the MTN won't then BYU will develop the best situation
what ever utah leaves byu gets scared becuase they know they are going to lose
money. Once Utah left is when the conference folded. plus byu is moving to a
weaker conference the wac if bsu and tcu stay put.
Seriously, how does Craig Thompson still have a job? Talk about fiddling while
Rome burns. If he had any skill at all, he would have persuaded BSU
to join the MWC several yeare earlier, AND kept Utah from bolting to the PAC-10,
thereby making a strong argument to make the MWC an AQ conference. But why would I expect that from the guy that gave us theMtn and deals with
the Fort Worth and New Mexico bowls? Sounds like the MWC is imploding.
RE: unwholly taciturn Yeah, Utah leaves and BYU goes to the WAC.
Sounds like byu really got the better end of the deal here.Nice Try.
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.
BYU's course of action has little to do with Utah, TCU or BSU. BYU have been
building the TV capability for years and very extensively for the last 3 or more
years. This move is precipitated by long range planning. It probably
does have a lot to do with the really lousy MTN TV contract. It has no reach.
Nobody watches it. Going independent expands the BYU reach out of
the Intermountain area into a national arena. That has to happen. Since BYU tends to draw well they can schedule some decent schools in BCS
conferences as ESPN will tend to cover the games making the BYU games more
lucrative for the BCS schools who play BYU. BYU like Utah and BSU
will have to do what is in their long run best interest. The MTN is not in BYU's
long run best interest. It will never have national interest or exposure.
Congratulations BYU! Big move. I'll be interested to see the ESPN tv deal on
it. Still playing Saturdays, i hope?They would NOT do this without
a BCS guarantee in top 8. Big step up for BYU!
Good move, IMO for the Cougs. I'm happy that they did not go to the LeftCoast
10. That conference didn't want the headaches of scheduling around BYU's no
Sunday play. The Y will be just fine.
We "Mormons" have always been good at speculation! Sounds like another D-news
story trying to fuel the fires again.I guess we will see.
"LOL, Utah leaves, no big deal. BYU leaves, MWC folds. Another reminder as to
who the top dog in the MWC really was."Silly Fiddler, the MWC was
"Dead Man Walking" once Utah move to a BCS Confernce.Good luck play
WAC teams at home and getting crushed on the road by BCS teams that wont return
LOL, the WAC will surely give BYU some schedule respect!
Trying to keep up with the Jones' I guess.What a knee-jerk reaction
to Utah's move to the Pac-12.They clearly saw the writing on the
wall.1)Without Utah, the MWC will not get an AQ bid.2)Utah was
gone (2 BCS trips), but TCU (1 BCS bid) and Boise (2 BCS bids) were clearly
going to keep BYU from a BCS game.Good luck to the Cougs.
I said from first rumor this was the only thing to do. Tom Holmoe made
references to this from the beginning and our Red friends from the north scoffed
at blown smoke. GO Cougars!
Wow I can't believe that the Cougars would go slumming back to the WAC. Isn't
that what all the WAC memebers have heard the past years? What a low life
conference the WAC is with no talent? Well if this is true you will soon find
out life in the WAC isn't as easy as the $ talkers say. I just have to say good
luck because it will not be the walk in the park you think it will be, that's
Hey Skippy:This is the real deal. BYU/BSU to the WAC, the MWC
becomes an irrelevance.
BYU getting slaughtered in the Spectrum every year! What's not to like. :-)We would also get to see BYU football twisting in the wind for a few
years until they begged to join the WAC with the rest of their teams. It would
Utes, this has nothing to do with you. Go back to your message boards. No one
cared when the MWC traded you for BSU - now the MWC is imploding when the BYU
dollars and tv sets are leaving. As scary as this seemed at first,
this could be a great answer for BYU. I would love to see the revenue
projections with this switch. As long as I get the games and decent opponents
to watch on my TV at home, I hope they go for it. I wonder if they will be able
to get into any decent bowls?
How many press members and coaches subscribe to BYUTV? I'm not sure how this
helps exposure on the national level.
This could be interesting IF it really happens. BTW, has anyone seen hedgehog
lately? Did he get a job or something?
So Utah leaves the MWC and it starts to fall apart.Utah gets
upgraded to a BCS conference and BYU gets downgraded to the WAC/Independent
status.At least this summer has let us know where these programs
How many of you Cougar fans who are now saying, "This is great" have gone on
record over the last six months talking about how superior the MWC is the the
WAC? You guys were mocking BSU for how "weak" their schedule was, and now you
want to play it instead of them?Just a month ago you were talking
about joining the Big 12. Now you want to join the WAC - AGAIN?If
BYU runs back to the WAC, and Boise State joins them (meaning they "left" for
about two months, but never played a game in the MWC), they both look really
silly. Outsiders looking in (90% of the sports fans in the nation) will say,
"BYU just moved to a LESSER conference - the same one they left 12 years ago.
Boise State, who looks like a potential title contender this year, would is the
prettiest girl in a small town, has zero self-confidence. It's like a soap opera
out there!"Do you really think the WAC with BYU, or BYU and BSU, or
even BYU, BSU, and TCU is stronger than the anticipated 2011 MWC?Take a deep breath Cougars, and have some confidence....
The Crazy Train is leaving the station and who knows who is driving. What BYU
sees in the WAC is anyone's guess but if the Cougs want national attention the
WAC isn't the place to be. In one way though, going independent allows BYU to
select schools rather than being stuck with all the also-rans. The problem will
be in getting other schools to play them with 1 and 1 arraignments. Even though
they seat 65000 people, they don't charge enough per seat to be able to match
the revenue ($1 mil+/-) better programs will give up by not playing at home or
one of the bigger venues and substituting Provo. If they can get the right games
it could be a master stroke - one Boise State might want to consider.
I fully expect them to crown themselves conference champions of their own
conference every year.Byu will have a hard time getting home and
home games with good competion. Notre Dame does it because many of their games
have a long standing tradition. The coogs only have that type of tradition with
Utah and Utah State.Even ND has been considering joining a
conference because of the challenges they face and the coogs couldn't get
anywhere close to the type of TV contract ND gets. Good luck - I
look forward to the demise of your program.
@IDCisnt that funny, because in reality, BYU is leaving the MWC
BECAUSE it is crumbling, and not the other way around. Utah got more exposure,
BYU wanted in as well, and they are doing this. As far as "no one
cared". Right, i think if you look in the archives, you would see at least 8
threads that had 200+ posts, mostly from jealous cougars.
I saw somewhere that SDSU wants back into the WAC. This is precisely why BYU
needs to stay independent in football.
This is all about exposure. BYU has been developing it's network for national
exposure. Rankings and BCS bowls are great, but year in and year out maximum
exposure is going to further advance the missionary work of the LDS Church. That
is a continuing goal with or without a BCS bid.
I've been hearing about BYU football going independent for over twenty years. I
think financially, they are likely to get more money doing this than by being in
a conference. I'm not so sure this is going to improve their prestige however.
It depends on scheduling. If they want to boost revenue then schedule a lot of
WAC, MAC, and Conference USA games. If you really want to prove you belong then
schedule a lot of BCS games and risk losing. It does come across like they are
playing on tilt though.
Louisiana Cougar: have you been able to watch any BYU football down in
Louisiana since 1984? BYU has been able to win big games all the time. There
was a game in Dallas Texas last year against Oklahoma... too bad you missed it.
Chris B and all the Utesies are just scared cuz they know if BYU moves to the
WAC they will rule and reign while probably winning another National
Championship while the Utesies get pounded day in and day out in the Pac-10 12
16 ? ? And go to the Vegas Bowl aha ahahaha.
I really think this could be a win-win for USU and BYU not to mention the WAC.
Especially if Boise State does back out and New Mexico and UNLV follow BYU to
the WAC. Then you could have three huge (in basketball anyway) rivalries in
USU-BYU, Nevada-UNLV, and New Mexico-New Mexico St. All three of those games
could get ESPN prime time spots in a few years I think. I know LA Tech has been
wanting conference that is closer to them geographically so you could even have
TCU or Wyoming added as a 12th member if that happened.
Lost in all of this. Tom Cella of UteZone is reporting that Ryker Matthews
commited to BYU last night.
byu & boise will become even more irrelevant.If the Big 12 was going to
add byu, byu wouldn't have made this move.
BP; hedgehog is out buying a number 15 BYU Football jersey!
re:Williary - no, outdoing the Jones' - not stuck with pac-12 teams, refs, etc -
free to schedule more of the big boys like Florida, Oklahoma, Texas, etc and
actually get better money than staying on the MTN. This looks to be a really
good move for BYU. It also keeps the ability to keep up the existing rivalry.
I never thought I would actually see BYU step up and flex their
financial/ratings muscles to the MWC. They had all the leverage in the world and
finally used it. Worst case scenario is the MWC caves and lets the Cougs
broadcast their games wherever they want. Best case scenario is that BYU goes
out and proves they can generate TV ratings and rake in the bucks and once the
Big 12(10) decides they really do need 2 more teams and a championship game, BYU
is a no-brainer to join. Win-Win!
Re: diegodudeOf the 115 million households in the US, over 50
million have BYU TV. I presume the Mtn. Network is not close to that number. BYU
TV is an included channel with many low level cable or dish packages throughout
the country.With ESPN and other networks, BYU retained the rights to
re-broadcast football games. They lost that right with the Mtn. contract. The
ability to show games live on BYU-TV, and rebroadcast them (say the following
Tuesday night) significantly increases the program's exposure.
Those criticizing BYU for wanting back into the WAC when they have shunned the
WAC in the past don't get it --- this situation is MUCH different.1.
The Cougs will only play 4-5 WAC games a year, and the WAC with BSU and possibly
SDSU/UNLV/TCU (another rumor) would be a much better WAC than before. There
would be good pickings for those 4-5 games.2. The rest of the
schedule is much more flexible for scheduling awesome games. How does a regular
rivalry with UNLV sound? Still 1-2 Pac 10 teams a year? The freedom to travel
around to other conferences too. ESPN says they'll broker 3-ish big exposure
games a year for the Cougs. Cool!3. IF SDSU/UNLV/TCU come to the
WAC, the other sports will do well too. That could make a great basketball
conference!4. The TV deal would be huge. 3-5 games on ESPN (counting
WAC ones) every year, and the rest seen INTERNATIONALLY on BYU-TV which EVERY
cable package carries.5. Keepin' all bowl monies to ourselves.Genius!
Haha, I just caught my mistake---I meant a regular rivalry with Notre Dame, not
The one thing our little brothers up on the hill are having a hard time
understanding is that BYU leaving the MWC to join the WAC will automatically
make the WAC the better conference.The flagship program is switching
conferences and with them goes the national prestige that BYU has been building
for decades.Unlike Utah, whose entrance into the PAC 10 will hardly
create a ripple, BYU's move from MWC to the WAC and independent status will
create a seismic shift in the college football landscape.BYU doesn't
even need a Notre Dame type Top 8 BCS guarantee, because any Top 14 BCS team is
already eligible for an at-large bid and a Top 8 BYU team would be a lock for a
BCS bowl anyway.
BYU would be better off joining the WAC fully to backdoor their easy way into
the BCS like Boise State did.BYU will be independent in football on
paper, but in the thoughts and minds of other parts of the country, BYU will bee
seen as a WAC school.
Congrats to Utah to the PAC12. Congrats to BYU for going independent. Perfect
for both in my opinion. By the way, BYU is negotiating with ESPN.
They won't be all on BYUTV. They games be on ESPN family of networks. Doesn't
get any better than that.
"Do you really think the WAC with BYU, or BYU and BSU, or even BYU, BSU, and TCU
is stronger than the anticipated 2011 MWC?"Yes, WAC's good teams
stay and add the MWC's best teams. Besides, BYU will be independent and won't
have to play the entire WAC. They were already playing USU, so they lose nothing
there, and if BSU and TCU join the WAC, there's two quality opponents who go
towards fulfilling their WAC requirement. Nevada, Hawaii, and Fresno St. aren't
too bad, and they're better than the bottom of the MWC. BYU doesn't have to play
the bottom of the MWC anymore, and with only having to play 4-6 WAC teams, there
are enough decent WAC teams to make it look respectable.
Help Wanted: Broadcast Engineers, HD camera operators for state of the art HD
studio and remote crew in Provo, UT. Former 'Mtn' employees need not apply!Rest in peace MWC...and 'the Mtn.'
One thing many fans (especially ute fans) don't realize is, BYU is by far the
biggest draw fan/TV audience wise, even in Utah BYU has the biggest fan support,
and nation wide the fan support for BYU over Utah is even bigger.BYU has
had and still has the best overall sports program, and has had for the last 40
years. Utah has had it moments, ute football since 2002 has been top notch, and
under Majerus their bball was very good but overall BYU has had the better teams
and nothing has really changed. BYU is unique, kinda like Notre Dame,
recruiting, fan support, etc, will always be high because of their ties with the
church (LDS). With BYU having their own TV network, it is only smart to take
advantage of the fan/TV interest. BYU was the top dog in the WAC & the
MWC. It would be interesting if BSU and TCU decided to bolt the MWC.If
ByU only had to play 4 WAC teams in football it would leave alot of versatility
and options to play top notch teams. I hope it happens.
Well well well, zoobs, you've been telling us for years how you're just like
Notre Dame....now you've got your chance to prove it. But don't be surprised
when nobody watches your games.Here's the problem: you have a TV
channel. Cable companies only show it because it's non-profit religious
programming, (required per federal regulations). Once you start showing
football with commercials (you'll need that to make any money), the station
ceases to be non-profit and it will start costing the cable/satellite companies
to keep in on air. Know what happens then? They drop your station because
nobody watches it.Write it down: In 3 years, you will not be able to
get a BYU game outside of Utah and BYU will be begging to join the WAC for
football so they can be on TV.
Big_BenSorry buddy, your damage control isn't working. Just be happy
that Utah was thrown a life-preserver before BYU decided to jump ship.Being a middle of the PAC team won't be so bad for the Utes, so keep your chin
This looks like a step down to me. I agree with Utah'95. BYU fans would more
often then not, say how inferior the WAC was to the MTN WEST. Now you want to
join their league in some capacity. Makes your fans who talked smack look silly.
I can't blame BYU for going to our old conference. BYU was never going to beat
us as long as they stayed in the MWC.
BYU will make $$$ as an independent (even with no BCS bowl, they will make a lot
more than they do today). The actual finance info independence provides can be a
bargaining chip to show they will bring more money to the table in the Big 12 a
few years down the road. That's the ideal situation for Y fans. Independence can
work too, but isn't as great as being on the inside like Utah in the Pac 12.
So . . . we're not even an "mid-major" anymore?
I welcome the change. Going independant will be the best move for BYU. The BCS
must have given BYU the same agreement that ND has, otherwise it is only for the
TV exposure. Watchig the Oklahoma game last year just says Bring it on!Go Pitt!
williary | 12:50 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010So Utah leaves the MWC and it
starts to fall apart.Utah gets upgraded to a BCS conference and BYU
gets downgraded to the WAC/Independent status.At least this summer
has let us know where these programs stand.------------------You're right we do know where these programs stand. Utah took a small step
forward while BYU is poised to make a major leap.
Seems like the Texas TV deal led to this. I don't think BYU jumps ship if Utah
doesn't go to PAC 10.Now that Utah is gone I don't think BYU cares
about keeping games against hardly anyone else in the league.Big_Ben
is right about the TV deal being the albatross of the MWC. Its the reason that I
can accept BYU going independent without being too upset. No more MTN! Yay!Having games on ESPN and BYUTV is infinitely better than the MTN and its
friends!!I'm still worried about the schedule and getting into bowl
games but if the athletic department works hard enough they should be able to
pull it off.I will miss playing SDSU, UNLV and UNM in basketball
every year but I won't miss the conference tourney in Vegas. BYU basketball
should be ok. The Olympic sports were doing fine in the WAC before and they will
continue to do so.Holmoe you just gave yourself a lot of work to do.
I hope your up to the task!
scott182 | 11:40 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010...they can find another byu.----------------Maybe, maybe not. One thing for sure though, the MWC
didn't have trouble finding a school better than Utah in BSU: 2 BCS wins and a
top 5 ranking in their bid for a 3rd trip to the BCS. The Yewts will go from
3rd place in the MWC to middle of the pack in the PAC. Have fun playing Wyoming
in Las Vegas.
If this does happen - and it looks like it will - congrats to Tom Holmoe for
making things happen for BYU, which is something Craig Thompson did not do for
the MWC as a whole. No wonder the MWC is imploding. I hope BSU does go back to
Wait???? I thought BYU was already in the WAC.
Wow! Are you kidding me? Is this April 1st?What's the logic behind
this? Who's the genius who came up with this idea?First, let's put
all the loser teams in the WAC, then we'll form the MWC. Second, we'll bolt the
MWC and go with the losers.Are they thinking they can now dominate
the conference Boise State once controlled in order to get the chance to play in
the BCS?Otherwise, they might as well have joined the Big Sky.Stupid.
Simple to understand why BYU makes this move...1) BYU wants to be
the Boise State...BYU thinks they can get several easy-to-win WAC games a year,
1 or 2 with the good teams and be unbeaten at the end to qualify for BCS...2) BYU cannot do it the good way --being in a good conference, tough
schedule, and unbeaten records like the 2004, 2008 Utah, 2009 TCU, so they need
to get out of MWC and try it this way.
Let's not overestimate BYU's television appeal. If you factor 6 million mormons
in the US, divide that number by half (minus women), and then assume that 1/3
are loyal fans, you're left with only 1 million sets of eyeballs.Add
a generous 100,000 non-LDS fans, and you're still left with a relatively small
fan base.I think this is a huge mistake. BYU will have no
conference trophy to play for and no bowl guarantees. If the Cougars were
playing in a BCS bowl every three years or so, it would make sense. But, they
have yet to get there...What happens in January after a 7-5 season?
I'll give credit to the Cougs. This is a gutsy move.Think of it
this way. These two programs were both looking at the same top-level job that
each wanted badly (Pac-10). Sorry, Cougs that's a fact. Utah got the job
offer, it was a no-brainer decision, and they couldn't be happier. BYU got
shunned, felt bitter about losing the job to their rival, and has decided to
start their own company as a result. Could work out great (Notre
Dame), might not change a lot and BYU just stays about the same, or could be a
disaster if scheduling can't be worked out. It's a risk, and I'll
give them credit for taking that risk.
@ scottat least the utes will have ties to a bowl game. listen, I
don't know why you are so insecure. I think its an exciting time to be a
cougar, i just have to refute any notion that BYU is the king in this. No one
seemed to want them, and now they are just making waves themselves. It remains
to be seen if anyone of elite caliber will schedule them. I am
excited to see USU and BYU in the same conference in Basketball. I cant wait to
see how the dominoes fall in this.
This gives the Cougars the freedom to schedule football games on Saturday's
only. Not sure how the WAC will handle Sunday games for Basketball in the next
10 years. I realize the WAC has not scheduled Sunday games yet but that will
happen in the next 10 years.
This is all about TV. BYU gets ESPN and BYUTV and loses the mtn. What a score
for the Y, USU, and the WAC! Awesome!In terms of scheduling, this
is excellent. If BSU returns, the Y will play USU, BSU, Nevada, Fresno, and
Hawaii (your 4-6 teams) every year. If TCU joins up, there's six. That leaves
BYU to pursue BCS conference teams, Notre Dame, and the U. The Y is respected
to an extent. They'll fill out fine....and if the Y can go
undefeated with that schedule (which it won't), it can definitely do great
things, like win a title. And it will keep the $$$ for itself.As an
Aggie, I find it satisfying to see BYU crawl back to the WAC, even if not in
football, after the U and the Y both rejected USU membership in it 40 years ago.
The A is more than happy to welcome the Y to to the Spectrum every year. I can
hear "Winning Team, Losing Team" already.Also, after USU beats BYU
this fall in football, the move will only look that much better as well. Mark
it down. It will happen. :-D
THIS IS A GREAT DAY IN COUGAR HISTORYCutting ties with the MWC and
it's horrible TV deal and limitations...And Ryker Mathews commits to
Hey Zoobs I hope you enjoy playing 4 to 6 games annually in football against WAC
opponents. Those should really be nail biters. Throw in a couple of games
against Navy & Army and you've got yourselves one tough schedule with a lot of
interest year in and year out.
"A return to the WAC would rekindle what were once long-standing rivalries for
BYU."This is a disingenuous statement, in my opinion. Yes, they
would play USU more, but they could have done that anytime they wanted to.
Hawaii? It was a decent rivalry, but included a lot of late, late games in the
islands.Who else is there? Fresno State? They were in the WAC with
BYU for 7 years, and it would be a huge stretch to call that a rivalry. San Jose
State played in the WAC with BYU for 3 years. Every other current WAC team
joined after BYU, Utah, et. al left and formed the MWC.This is not
the WAC of the 80s or even 90s that you fans remember. BYU will lose the same
old rivalries Utah will - New Mexico, CSU, Wyoming, Air Force and even San Diego
State. And they won't even be playing fun new teams like Oregon, Washington, and
USC - they'll be replacing them with New Mexico State, La Tech and Idaho.I hope this works out for the best for BYU, but it looks like a bad move
If BYU and Boise State reenter the WAC leaving TCU basically alone in the MWC
watch for the PAC 12 to swoop in and pick up TCU and Texas Tech and become the
PAC 14. Facts:The Pac 12 is still looking for a Texas connection.Texas Tech had its bags backed last June for the PAC 10 but was stymied by
Texas who they despise.TCU is a private school no long affiliated
with a religion making TCU palatable to the PAC.TCU is investing
$105 million in a new stadium and will not stay in an unstable conference.TCU and Texas Tech are old rivals from the Southwest Conference.PAC 14 can easily divide into two 7 team divisions and still play 9
conference games each.PAC 12 will never again approach Texas or
Texas A&M for membership after being stiffed by both last June. PAC
12 will renegotiate their TV deals in 2011 with two teams in Texas meaning big
@ Kyle loves BYUI wish there were more fans like yourself. It seems
that just about every BYU fan today has not been able to enjoy this news, rather
they have to compare themselves to Utah. You are a true fan, you have no
insecurities, and you cheer hard while being rational. I tip my hat to you sir,
and wish that others on both sides were like you.
Looks like BYU can't even play AAA ball (ie MWC) so they choose AA ball
"So . . . we're not even an "mid-major" anymore?..."No, sadly for
the BYU haters, the Cougars will no longer have that mid-major conference
millstone handing around their necks.goodbye mid-majorhello MAJOR INDEPENDENT!
"Maybe, maybe not. One thing for sure though, the MWC didn't have trouble
finding a school better than Utah in BSU: 2 BCS wins and a top 5 ranking in
their bid for a 3rd trip to the BCS. The Yewts will go from 3rd place in the MWC
to middle of the pack in the PAC. Have fun playing Wyoming in Las Vegas."Intellectual honesty was never a strong suit for Zoobies. Way to exclude
Utah's 2 BCS wins, that's not disingenuous at all.
It's so funny how Utah fans are trying so hard to be relevent by making the Utes
move to the PAC12 the reason for the MWC's demise. Makes me laugh. Reality is
what it is. BYU has always been the MWC bread and butter. It would have been
great if the Utes had stayed but it wasn't a death blow when they decided to go.
The Utes and their 2 years of football excellence while impressive to some
(mostly themselves) are STILL irrelevent.
BYU and UTAH both got it right this summer. Utah was a great fit for the PAC-10
and will reak alot of havoc once they get a good defense in place. BYU going
independant in football is the best thing for them right now. Face it people,
the reason why BYU is going to the WAC is because the MWC is on its way down
because of the horrid tv deal with the Mnt. The Mnt. network is mediocre at best
and gives BYU no room to grow. BSU will head back to the WAC since the MWC is
crumpbling now. BYU will only be in the WAC for the other sports and Basketball.
WAC basketball is closer than people think to the MWC. BYU will still dominate
in the other sports. If BSU stays then the WAC will be far supior to the MWC.
TCU will leave soon knowing that the MWC is going down. Expect the Big-12(10) to
come knocking on their door. This is a great move for BYU. Congrats to all of
Cougar Nation, great day indeed.
This is going to take the fun out of BYU football. What do you have to work
Brave Sir Robin | 1:30 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010Here's the problem:
you have a TV channel. Cable companies only show it because it's non-profit
religious programming, (required per federal regulations). Once you start
showing football with commercials (you'll need that to make any money), the
station ceases to be non-profit and it will start costing the cable/satellite
companies to keep in on air. Know what happens then? They drop your station
because nobody watches it.Write it down: In 3 years, you will not be
able to get a BYU game outside of Utah and BYU will be begging to join the WAC
for football so they can be on TV.-------------Actually, cable
companies carry it because it's a low cost channel, there's already a cost to
carry it. It has nothing to do with non-profit religious programming. Besides,
with the deal for ESPN to use the broadcast truck, they may not even need to use
their channel. Write this down: In 3 years, Ute fans will still be obsessed
with all things BYU and will still need to change your armor.
The MWC is doneBoise State is going back to the WAC. My bet is TCU
is also going to go back to Conference USA. They would make more money and have
better competition playing teams like Houston. BYU has a deal with
the WAC to play 4 teams. May guess is that it will be Utah
StateBoise StateHawaiiAnd one other.BYU will still
play UtahI am sure that BYU has a couple of deals with teams for
long term Scheduling. I am sure it will be some Big 12 (with 10 teams) and PAC
re: CT98Not going to be the case. Any tie-ins with WAC football
games, or ESPN games, will not be on Saturday. The WAC's ESPN deal is
Congrats to BYU. Rather than being shortsighted and jumping on the coattails of
a sinking conference, PAC-10/12, they man up, develop their own TV-HD capability
and put themselves in a position to team with Texas and generate their own
revenue. Way to go. Not only that, but they will join with the WAC to
re-kindle the old rivalries. Very nice.Looks like Utah with their
Pac-10 buddies just got punked once again.See ya boys...enjoy the
sun and surf in Cali...
@TrueBlue...hello MAJOR INDEPENDENT!...MAJOR INDEPENDENT = no
such thing as MAJOR INDEPENDENTIt should be "Hello AA Mid-major" for
Jealous U,"BYU's move from MWC to the WAC and independent status
will create a seismic shift in the college football landscape."Ask
any fan from the SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10, or Big 12 if they see this as a
"seismic shift" in anything."BYU doesn't even need a Notre Dame type
Top 8 BCS guarantee....."Remind me, when was the last time BYU went
into Bowl Season ranked in the top 8?It's no secret that BYU has
been a very good football program for decades, and have financially benefitted
the WAC and MWC. But to call them the "Flagship" of the conference might be
presumptuous, considering that Utah has run the table twice (including BCS wins)
and TCU has finished the regular season undefeated once. The Cougars, as you
know, haven't done it in twenty-five years.
@ Kyle lovesThe WAC tournament is moving to Las Vegas this year so
you'll still have to deal with that but I'll bet anything that UNLV and maybe
New Mexico or SDSU follows them. The UNLV/Nevada is a big rivalry in that state
as is USU/BYU so basketball would win big time. It'd be the best basketball
conference in the West if the PAC-12 keeps up their body of work from last year.
Utah State, New Mexico, BYU, UNLV, New Mexico St, and Nevada in one conference
would get rowdy! Add decent La Tech, Fresno State, and Idaho teams and that's a
tough, tough basketball conference.
If getting a BCS bid as an at large in the MWC was tough, what will an
independent Y have to do to get one now?Smacks of sour grapes to me.
They just couldn't get over Utah moving to a better conference. Now they are
trying like heck to do something, anything, to look like they weren't left
standing at the dance without a date.
Ryker Mathews (4-star athlete, #11 in the country at OL according to Rivals)
just committed to the Cougars.Oh yeah, the battle was between
Kansas, BYU, and Utah.Guess the recruits really do prefer the Pac 10
hands-down over BYU's independent status. I guess Utah really will win all the
recruiting battles now.Or maybe that theory doesn't hold water?
Love it. Love it. Love it.
Talk about insecurity Big_Ben, scott isn't the one hanging out on a rival's blog
trying to refute every statement he doesn't agree with.What makes
you think BYU won't have ties to a bowl game?BYU has always been the
flagship program of the WAC (for the last 20 years that the Cougars were in the
WAC) and the MWC, from when it was created.You're not being honest
with yourself if you think that Utah was invited to the PAC 10 solely because of
their superior athletic program.Take a look at the Sears Cup
Standings for the last 20 years. Take a look at the conference championships in
both the WAC and MWC for the last 30 years.Utah isn't even close, by
comparison.The Utes used to have a great basketball program, now in
shambles.The Utes used to have a miserable football program, now
with some recent success.BYU has been very good to great in both for
decades.Now BYU is leveraging their national reputation to go
independent in football and jealous Utah fans simply can't handle being knocked
out of the limelight once again by the Cougars.
Does anyone understand how playing Hawaii adds a 13th game?? How does that
work?I hope this comes with only 4 games against the WAC with Hawaii
and USU being 2 of them. 6 is a bit much for me. I wouldn't mind playing Nevada
and Fresno too but beyond that there isn't any times I'd really want to see from
Gosh and just when things were looking so good. Who is BYU going to play
when the BCS schools are playing their conference schedule ? Slippery
Rock and West Texas State may not want to play. Remember when the Blue
Bloods were accusing the Utes of mutiny and had abandoned the ship--all for a
bigger share of the PAC 12 Television booty ? I really do appreciate the
competition my Utes and BYU had. Deep Down? To me, this does not seem to
be a good move, but rather one of the oddest sport maneuvers that I can think
of. Should be good fodder for our cannons for years to come here at the
comment blog. Please keep your hands on the safety bar and remain seated
during the next 2-3 years.. this looks to be quite a ride !
I'm working HARD to suspend my disbelief that this is a good thing.On the other hand, what if this is a step towards BYU owning not just their
own games, but owning the network that broadcast's their conference's games?Imagine if the MTN was actually good, and in HD, and had a good deal
with Comcast AND Dish AND Direct TV? What if it made each of the conference
members more than they now make and made BYU LOTS more?Then this
would make sense.The LDS church owns a number of TV stations AND a
satellite. (At least they used to). Could be interesting...Otherwise, I don't get it.
@dww722sounds like you are trying really hard to convince yourself.
Let me give you a tip: if you don't believe something yourself, the rest of us
won't believe it either and saying things like "Makes me laugh", just shows
insecurity. Just enjoy it bro. Life is good. Its all right, take
your lumps, regourp, grab some water and then come on back, we won't hold it
phramahaphil | 2:33 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010"Maybe, maybe not. One thing for
sure though, the MWC didn't have trouble finding a school better than Utah in
BSU: 2 BCS wins and a top 5 ranking in their bid for a 3rd trip to the BCS. The
Yewts will go from 3rd place in the MWC to middle of the pack in the PAC. Have
fun playing Wyoming in Las Vegas."Intellectual honesty was never a
strong suit for Zoobies. Way to exclude Utah's 2 BCS wins, that's not
disingenuous at all.--------You suffer from reading
comprehension problems. The Utes have 2 BCS wins. BSU has two BCS wins AND a
#5 ranking (higher in sports illustrated), AND a legit shot at the title game.
Look on the bright side doubters and ney-sayers -- at the least we'll finally
break that Vegas streak!In seriousness, at first I thought this was
kind of just a tactic to get a Texas-style t.v. deal. Even if it's not, I'm
starting to warm-up to it. At the end of the day, BYU GETS OUT OF THE MOUNTAIN
(worse-tv-deal-EVER). Isn't that really the reason for joining the WAC in all
other sports? As I recall, for YEARS Utah and BYU were complaining about that
contract; Utah found their escape, BYU made another.It's about
exposure for BYU sports, right? People think all of BYU's football games will
be on BYUtv. Probably not. Most games will be on ESPN and maybe rebroadcast on
BYUtv. But what about volleyball, lacrosse, SOCCER -- are any of those sports
carried by the Mountain (worst-tv-deal-EVER)? Imagine the INTERNATIONAL
audience BYU's Men's Soccer (a semi-pro team not beholden to NCAA regulations)
could reach by getting off of the Mountain (worse-tv-deal-EVER) and onto their
own International t.v. station? It's exciting news.
Utah steps up to the Pac 12.BYU steps down to the WAC. Duck those
losses to Boise State and TCU, Cougies!San Jose State? Idaho?
Nevada-Reno? Louisiana Tech? New Mexico State? Those schools should be in the
Big Sky Conference!This is beyond funny. To the point where I
acually feel kind of bad for Cougie fan.
This makes no sense! we are not notre dame and will not be treated teh same. We
are going ot leave teh mw to pla in such a bad conference4-6 games vs the very
low end of the wac. Not good
HA HA HA! This is the beginning of the end for BYU football. I thought after
Utah left, BYU would become what USU is now... with this plan, BYU will become
less than USU.
As a Ute fan, good for byu for making a move to get out of the hole that is the
Mountain West. It is to early to tell if it will help byu or not so im not going
to say anthing beyond that. My question is though, what happens when byu drops a
few games at the start of the season when they are independent?? How will the
players react when there is nothing to play for?? Will fan support drop off
since all you have to look forward to is the Humanitarian Bowl?? That is the
biggest problem with being an independent is not playing for a conference
championship throughout the season which is huge! Before every
season the motto for byu will be BCS or bust plain and simple. Will they be able
to live up to the hype? Well since it has not happened yet, im saying no.
Someone asked what the team will play for without a conference. That's simple:
The goal each and every year will be a BCS Bowl and hopefully a National
Championship. Everyone knows that is more important than a conference
championship anyway. Just ask Utah which looks better in the case, the
conference championship trophy or the Sugar Bowl trophy from that same year????
this whole thing sounds like gossip at a junior high school. not a shred of
actual evidence just a lot of talk. BYU has built TV capability so they can
transmit church related material around the world. i saw BYUtv in africa and
eruope and they used it to broadcast conference and training sessions and things
like that. football had nothing to do with it. and it has nothing to do with the
new HD building they build by the merriott.
Fans from the SEC, ACC, Big East, Big 10, or Big 12 couldn't care less about
Utah's move to the PAC 10 either.Utah has had a couple of stellar
seasons, but BYU has finished in the Top 25 more times than any other team in
the MWC.Your "remind me..." argument is silly. BYU had never
won a national championship, until 1984. BYU had never finished in the Top
10, until 1983. BYU had never won a bowl, until 1980. BYU had never
played in a bowl, until 1974.Things can change quickly, but BYU has
been there, done that, and will do it again.2010 could be the
kickoff for an amazing season in 2011.
If the WAC could manage to get Boise back and lure a couple of more teams along
with them like TCU and Air Force then I think they would have a real conference
on their hands. Bowl games might not get better though.I'm with
everyone else as far as TV though. I used to be an avid BYU fan until the Mtn TV
network came along. Now that I can't watch them on TV I am lucky to be able to
name 5 players who even play for them, and I get less interested every year. If
I can watch them again maybe my interest in this program will rekindle.Everyone seems to be attaching football success to this deal. Notre Dame has a
sub-par team every year and the networks still pay the big bucks for them to
play mostly Big 10 and military acadamy schools. BYU won't get the kind of money
that ND does, but probably quite a bit more than they are now. In the end that
is all that matters.
is there any BYU fan that honestly believes that ESPN will pick up all of BYU's
home games? You might get one a year.
@Utah '95I would say that a school, BYU, who has won half of
it's Conference Championships for 40 years, has the largest TV and fanbase etc..
is the Top Dog!Last year... MWC Conference Championships
Major step back for all of our non football programs. Football will be great if
we schedule 8 BCS conference teams and then play 4 WAC teams. Ask USU what the
WAC is like in b ball when you win the conference and then lose in the
conference tournament----NO NCAA BID.
Of course it's about money, but at BYU the more important goal is EXPOSURE, and
with an independent ESPN deal plus control over home game broadcasts at least
and their new HD tv capabilities, this is great for BYU, the football program
and their fans. Are the Utes who are riduling the move really saying that
anybody in the country cared who won the MWC? Utah or TCU, the country could
care less. So BYU as an independent and on TV regularly will be a solid boost
to EXPOSURE, and not having to share the money will help as well. Utah won't
have any more exposure than the Y and BYU will eventually develop a list of
solid opponents every year. Great far-sighted move that leaves all of the doors
open except the one into the dark hallways of MWC TV.
I've never said this, but seriously... several Ute fans here are proving Max
Hall right. Not all, but several. What an embarassment you are to the U.
Add UNLV, San Diego State, Boise State and Air Forcedrop
La. Tech and add TCU/New Mexico and goodbye MWC.
Starting next year, EVERY BYU football fan in the country and tens of thousands
of BYU fans from around the world will be able to watch EVERY BYU football game
LIVE in HD!Go COUGARS!
Funny how a story like this allows one to see just how many computer users can't
spell independent correctly.In any case, the evidence is clear; even
though Utah and TCU were the only two MWC to experience an undefeated season,
BYU always was and still is the "flagship" university of the Mountain West. It would have taken much more than an undefeated season or two to take
that spot away from them.
No matter how you spin it cooooogar fans, BYU just rejoined the WAC, the
WAHOO!Today is a good day to be a BYU fan!Gooooo
this really stinks for the other sports at BYU.
blue dot!Get over yourself. This has nothing to do with Utah.Getting a BCS bid will be no harder for BYU as an independent than it
will be for Utah in the PAC 10.Unless BYU over-schedules themselves,
finishing undefeated or with only one loss as an independent won't be any harder
than winning a PAC 10 championship.A 12-0 or 11-1 top 8 BCS
standings finish will all but guarantee a BCS invite for BYU.A very
young, but very talented BYU team will be tuning up in 2010 against a very
difficult opening schedule.In 2011, they'll be very talented and
"Does anyone understand how playing Hawaii adds a 13th game?? How does that
work?"The NCAA has a special rule that allows any team that plays
Hawaii in Hawaii to play an extra regular season game.
Coach M. doesn't get on the I-Net? YES he does, just not to get coaching or FB
advice from a wannabe fan. Coaching FB is exhausting, grueling, extremely
demanding coupled with 30-second game situation decisions and the noise of the
I-Net isn't worth much.However, for us fans, this sure is fun,
errrrr a war!!!!
The PAC10 will be the PAC12 and the BIG12 will be the something else entirely,
THE BCS WILL NEED TO WRITE A NEW CONTRACT next year that has the correct wording
(i.e. conference names and auto bids) in it. I would perfer them just put an
auto bid for the MWC, especially considering in the last two years the MWC has
been ranked ahead of one or more BCS conf.'s by the end of the season.To Ute fans saying they started this take off your rose colored glasses and
put on your real glasses the prescription kind. Your move to the PAC10 meant the
rivalry might end but the MWC didn't loose anything with BSU coming in. If BYU
now leaves the MWC looses one more power house team but with TCU and BSU and a
few other teams on the rise they will be fine. I don't like the
move for the basketball team. Last year we had four teams in the tourney the
wac had one. Gioing independent COULD BE an OK move for the football team, time
will tell. BTW BYU has been considering this for FOUR YEARS go back and look.
If it turns out that hey have spoken to the BCS about potential similarities in
BCS deals as ND this could end up being a good thing for the Cougars. Only time
will tell whether this was the right decision. I don't like the move from the
MWC to the WAC in Basketball the MWC is a much better Basketball conference with
the exception of UTAH STATE (that are great in basketball and on the rise in
football). That part of this deal I could do without. But if all games are on
BYUTV and we can pull in a good different schedule every year. I do hope this
will inable us to continue the rivalry with Utah although being in diffent
conferences might lessen the haterd(not a bad thing).
I think several posters out there are missing the point. BYU football games are
unlikely to be included into the BYUTv programming. News broke a few days ago
about a local company inking a deal with BYU Athletics TV or some such entity
which does not currently exist. Likely this is the pending entity that would be
broadcasting BYU's athletics. The new facility has the capability to broadcast
multiple stations. Now BYU can remove the middleman in negotiating distribution
of it's athletics, control commercials, etc. I don't think BYUTv is going to be
the vehicle for BYU Football, except perhaps re-runs a day or two later.
Let me get this straight... BYU is shunned by PAC 10, ignored by Big 12, and
here they are taking a step down from the MWC and going to the independent and
WAC? Am I dreaming or did I smack my head too hard? Wow, that is
just unbelievable. They will schedule good enough teams to play. But I think
that it is an unwise move.I guess they just want to show their
athletic games as they wish, not as the contract dictates. The easiest way to
get out of the contract is leave the conference.
THIS JUST IN.the MWC has just extended and invitation to Fresno and
Neveda. Yes zoobs you will be going it alone.
Well, it's nice, I guess, that some of you are excited beyond reason. For
years, it's been tough for BYU to schedule big name teams in football. Why do
you think that it's suddenly going to get easier? It seems to me that a smarter
tack would be to stay in the MWC, await the TV Mtn. deal renegotiation, and keep
those long rivalries that we've had since the 1950's. This whole scenario is
bizarre beyond belief. A pie in the sky scheme. Be very wary Holmoe, be very
scott182 | 11:40 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010 "Fiddler, the important teams to a
conference are the teams that go to BCS games."Scottie, are you for
real?45,000 seats that are filled off and on. A program that is not
consistent, that doesn't know if it can beat UNLV, or go BCS?Bto,
the only reason that BYU would go independent is simple... BECAUSE IT CAN!!!All thoss things that Ute fans dismiss, the NC, the consistency of
being a top 36 team, the awards (Heisman, Doak, O'Briens, Outlands,)... We're
taling tradition, not 6 years of spotty football.But Scott, answer
this if you can...Ute fans, answer this simple question.With your six years relevance, and 2 BCS bowls, and 45,000 seat stadium, could
Utah have gone independent???
I am thinking the Y is going to be done with the NCAA very soon. They will never
make it as an independent money wise and I think it is going to be sadly
apparent very soon - maybe two years that nobody wants the Y in their
conference and funding the program is going to be very difficult. I think this
is the beginning of the end for BYU athletics.
This will be a great move for BYU. Its HD Truck has the finest equipment
available for remote transmition of HD content. Its new broadcasting building
is likewise a remarkable facility, combining both production and broadcasting
capacity with the very finest equipment in the industry. Teams will quickly
find out that who ever plays BYU will have nation-wide (even international)
exposure. BYU's President is very bright. If this comes about, it will not be
without all the homework having been turned in and graded.
Dave S | 2:25 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 "Hey Zoobs"===Hey
Zoobs?What does that even mean. BYU just outdid the Utes again...Hey Utes!!!If you were waiting for BYU to one up the Utes, they just did
and in a Huge way.Once again, BYU is doing what little brother never
could dream of.That's what tradition buys you...
Where are all the BYU fans that called Utah a 'sell-out' and other names for
going for more money, and that BYU would never abandon their principles for more
money? Who's selling out now?
TrueBlue | 2:30 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010goodbye mid-majorhello
MAJOR INDEPENDENT!----------------That's funny when did
the BCS give BYU an automatic invite for becoming independent?It's
BCS conferences + Notre Dame.Not BCS conferences + Notre Dame +
BYUMaybe it will be someday but as of today no.
The WAC. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!Someone tell me they are
just joking? Please?!? I can't stop laughing! The WAC?LOL.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!This only hurts TCU and BSU as it jumbles the
apple cart that was the MWC. Automatic Qualifier status is now in question as
now the viability of the MWC is now in question. This will force TCU and BSU to
make changes.BYU is forcing national recognition upon itself by
taking such a huge gamble for independence. And TCU and BSU will pay the price
for playing great football in a conference with a weak low self-esteemed sister
in BYU.This is not about Utah anymore. Its about BYU screaming "Hey!
What about me?"This ploy for more exposure hurts the schools that
helped BYU get to where it is... You know what? BYU deserves to be downgraded to
a WAC nothing school.At best this is a huge gamble. At worst its the
beginning of the end of BYU football.(Ironic as an LDS school is
gambling on its future like this)
Soooooo,Now that Fresno and Nevada have been invited to join the MWC
is the WAC the worst conference in the Nation?I would say yes -
Good move tds, you'll be looking up to the SUN conference.So sad, so
very very sad.
@MUSSing with U | 2:58 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010Now BYU is leveraging their
national reputation to go independent in football and jealous Utah fans simply
can't handle being knocked out of the limelight once again by the Cougars.------------Limelight in Vegas or 1-4 in the first round?
Please do tell.The talk this summer was all about 4 Super 16
conferences. If that is the future then going independent won't help. I think
if the Big 12 expands BYU and TCU are a good fit.
This seems like a no brainer. WHat is the downside to all of this?
The reason that the NCAA has the special rule for scheduling Hawaii is based on
the cost for a team to travel, with gear, to the islands. In exchange, any team
thay play @HI gets an additional HOME game to try and make up the cost.Otherwise, no one would ever play @ Hawaii...
Most of you talking about BYU and BSU rejoining the WAC have read it all wrong.
Under the speculated agreement, BYU is NOT going back to the WAC in football.
The WAC would just be a placeholder for the other sports where conference
affiliation is not that relevant (read: sports where there are playoffs in place
and where revenue isn't so affected as it is in football).This is
about $$ and about flexibility with TV contracts. BYU is pointing the gun of
independence at the MWC and its useless TV deal with the mtn. My guess is that
they're brokering for the ability to get an exemption to deliver their games on
BYU-TV. Now that Utah is gone, BYU is the only team bringing substantial value
to the mtn, and since they have their own network, they don't see the need to
continue propping everyone else up.I think there are a lot of
problems with independence, but BYU's probably in as good a seat as anyone -
outside the "big schools" - to pull it off. Should be interesting to see how
this plays out!
And BYU can take Texas Techs spot.
Big_Ben | 3:30 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 is there any BYU fan that honestly
believes that ESPN will pick up all of BYU's home games?How are
things my friend...?===BYU-TV is in 50 million homes, has an
HD facility on campus, and an HD truck ready to roll to games...There are over 4 million LDS that live out of the State of Utah, and while not
all are fans, many are very rabid fans...Also, the fans of the teams
BYU is playing would have access to the game in HD...===This could affect BCS AQ for BYU, depending on how the BCS looks at it. ND
AQ's if in top 8 in country, Army and Navy have to be top 2, so it depends on
what deal could be worked out with the BCS===No spin. Just
more money and prestige. Ute fans are thowing around the idea the best BYU can
do is the Vegas Bowl.Not after 2011.===Naval/Otis/HedgeHog:Is BYU accidently backing into being an
They are not NEARLY as respected as Notre Dame on a national level. It's not the
80's anymore BYU. Now they are gonna play 4 to 6 Whack teams every
year? The only one that would be respectable is BSU IF they back out and go back
to the Whack. Lets not pretend though that BSU going back is a done deal. They
MWC still has TCU which is much better than BYU in football, an the rest of the
conference is still far better than the rest of the whack teams. The
only way that i see thid as a good thing is it might FINALLY get the cougs to a
BCS game. Wont be that hard when your playing 4-6 Whack teams, then fill the
rest of the schedule with cupcakes.Overall this was a great move for
BYU. A great move BACKWARDS!!! Have fun begging for respect as a "Major
Independent" Football team and playing the rest of your sports in the whick
The move to the WAC is like a highschool student chooses to go to junior
college for 2 years first before applying to major university to complete their
degree.So, Brian Gumbel would love it. BYU proves he was right...Remember
Bo Diddley College anyone?
JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt | 3:47 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 "No matter how you
spin it cooooogar fans, BYU just rejoined the WAC, the freaking WAC."===Dude, did you read the article?Independence with
their own TV network in 50 million homes... That is not the WAC.Texas is looking at building a network from scratch.The problem is
that Utah fans just cannot fathom just how Huge this is.
Fantastic - if it happens. BYU would be independent in football just like Notre
Dame and could play with more of the elite. We are talking more revenue, better
schedule, and more chance of making the BCS bowls. More National Coverage too.
Why not do it. Become an icon.I think Utah helped us make this
decision, but it is incredible. It is a much better option than the Pac-10.
Big_Ben"is there any BYU fan that honestly believes that ESPN will
pick up all of BYU's home games? You might get one a year."You're
sounding more and more like a bitter, jealous, BYU hater.Not only
will ESPN be picking up most of BYU's home games, but, since ESPN immediately
posted the following on ESPN's website:"According to independent
multiple sources, BYU is in discussion with ESPN for its football rights."Suggestions that the television deal with ESPN was already a close to a
done deal before the story broke.
this is a dangerous power game being played. BYU is trying to break out of the
MTN TV package. the threat of going back to the WAC is just that a threat. a
better situation would be to start anew with a new conference taking the best of
both leagues and start over. independence is not the answer. not in
the long run. the problem with all of this is that BYU is a draw but
not the kind of draw that Fighting Irish (independence). CBS, NBC, ABC, FOX,
CNN, and the Fox money Chanel will not offer a better long term deal than they
would to a conference BYU Belonged to. a season full of OU games and ESPN will
not want to broadcast BYUBYU is powerful but not as powerful as
Texas who got an extra exclusive TV package and uneven revenue package. BYU
could get an extra deal from the MWC but unlike Texas BYU relies on other
conference members. always has always will. Independence is
foolhardy and not in the best interests of BYU. the little extra TV money is not
worth the risks.
Which genius figured this out? Who prayed about going to the WAC? Didn't that
person receive any vibe that the WAC would dissolve?Given Fresno
State has now confirmed it's bolting to the MWC (and Nevada will follow suit),
the WAC doesn't have a future. Obviously, this wasn't an inspired decision at
BYU.What's the counsel we receive from the pulpit? Be content with
what we have. Avoid pride.Clearly, pride and discontent has resulted
in a bad situation for BYU, its football program, and its fans.Boo!
hedgehog | 4:39 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 THIS JUST IN.the MWC has
just extended and invitation to Fresno and Neveda. Yes zoobs you
will be going it alone. ===hedgehog | 5:00 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 Soooooo,Now that Fresno and Nevada have been invited to join the
MWC is the WAC the worst conference in the Nation?I would say yes -
Good move tds, you'll be looking up to the SUN conference.So sad, so
very very sad. ===Ummmm...Old news.Fresno
State and Nevada have already turned down the "conditional invite", and it looks
that BSU has the option to retun to the WAC with no financial penalty, which if
this rolls out, they will do...===Huge money aside, (HUGE), it
will also put BYU football in 50,000,000 homes, and in the 4,000,000 out of
state LDS, which will benefit those members...Geez, no downside, not
even one to make-up, and huge upside...Utah could never have even
considered something this big.It hurts to be the little
brother...Hurting yout head HedgeHog?
I think its really funny to read all of these comments from people that think
they know better than the people who do this as a profession. Most of these
morons are on here all day (probably unemployed). It is really amazing to me
that they can't see their irrelevance. There is so much to this deal
that we don't know. The people making this deal aren't stupid.
Reading the previous posts, I have seen so much jumping to conclusions that I am
feeling a little queasy, like too much time on the high and heavy seas. Does any
single person who has posted on the - up til now - four pages of this thread
really know what is going to happen? For that matter, who among us
know what agreements have already been made but not announced. Do any of us know
what negotiations are going on? Hedgehog is sure that Fresno State and Nevada
are headed to the MWC - even if the offer was tendered, would they accept it? I
don't know. My plan is to sit back and watch it all happen, then laugh at
everyone that was wrong. Meanwhile, I am pretty sure that Tom Holmoe
is not acting like a loose cannon. I have watched BYU academic politics long
enough to know that the athletic director never makes a move without the
blessing of administration on up to the Board of Trustees - the same group that
doesn't announce any change until it is a done deal - new temple, policy change,
whatever. It will be interesting.
"The problem is that Utah fans just cannot fathom just how Huge this is."Busted, I get it. Football for Mormons - nothing more nothing less. I
would guess not more than 5 non LDS are BYU fans ( not kidding) - Outside the
the ward's around the coutry, no one cares at all. Very niche.
I just read every one of these comments (some more closely than others), and
thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed the BYU fans trying to spin this as something
other than a move forced upon BYU by Utah's move to the PAC. I
wouldn't say this is a "depseration" move, per se, but it's certainly not
something that would have happened had Utah remained in the MWC, bad TV deal or
not. A few more years of success against BCS teams would have made a genuine
case for the MWC to become an AQ conference; an independent BYU will have no
shot at a national title under the current system. At the very least, had Utah
not gone to the PAC, BYU would have stuck around a few more years to see how the
MWC / BCS question shook out.I respect the BYU athletic program
directors for taking a hard look at an unpleasant reality and responding boldly.
Perhaps they could impart that talent upon their fan base? Never the less,
good luck BYU, as always. "A rising tide floats all boats."
BYU is doing this because it is good for them. It has been in the planning for
years. The BYU audience will build as more programing is conveniently available.
It really is about exposure first. However, BYU will get more money.
BSU did very well in the WAC as far as getting into major bowls. It
will be easier for BYU to do the same as an independent. SOS did not deter BSU.
It will not hurt BYU as long as they win. Scheduling may not be as
much of a problem as many suppose since BYU does draw well. The
extra exposure for the basketball, basesball, and other sports is a big plus.
BYU can create it's own sports channel and cut it's own deal with
cable companies. It might even be able to make deals with other independents
such as Army/Navy etc and provide coverage for them. If they wanted to they
could provide coverage for Big 12 schools like Texas Tech.The BYU
facilities can support more than one channel. The variable costs of producing a
football game are low and BYU already has paid for the broadcasting
@chuckieWith your six years relevance, and 2 BCS bowls, and 45,000
seat stadium, could Utah have gone independent------Could Oregon? UCLA? Why would Utah, we're in the PAC12.Here enjoy
this from ESPN:The Cougars are breaking the mold here. There are only
three independent teams left in the country - Notre Dame, Army and Navy. The
moves this summer indicated college football was moving more toward a
superconference era. Does going independent make that easier?BYU,
according to sources, was stunned that an invitation didn't come its way as the
Pac-10 first invited the Big 12's Colorado and then turned to Utah to become the
Pac-12 earlier this summer. But if BYU can't be assured a seat at
the BCS table, the Cougars won't make the move.So there
you have it it can't bust the BCS so it's trying to get in from the backdoor.
This could be a briliant move!So in 2011 they play Oregon State,
Texas, Utah, Norte Dame, Army and Navy. This is only a possible
schedule but the exposure BYU gets is incredible! They play on PAC-12 TVs twice,
Big 10 once, Notre Dame's national exposure then East coast TVs with Army and
Navy. This would give them incredible national exposure, then throw in BYU-TV
reaches far more screens than the Mountain ever dreamed of.This
could be pretty fun to watch. And switching Boise St and TCU for Norte Dame and
others is worth it.For those really moaning about this you can't
have it both ways. You can't complain about The Mountain cable contract then
moan about this possible effort. This is great for BYU in many ways
and I hope they pull it off.
Not sure where you heard Fresno was moving to the MWC. The article says they
and Nevada declined the offer, viewing the WAC as now the more stable
Now I know what the Elder's Quorum "lesson" will be this Sunday.
You are all jumping the gun. BYU will take advantage of this situation. IF
Fresno and Nevada join the MWC then I would suspect that Boise and BYU stick
around and BYU gets to use their network outside of 'the Mtn'. IF Fresno and
Nevada stick in the WAC then BYU and Boise could leave and do as has been stated
in the article. The thing about this situation is BYU and Boise have
no penalties to make any move. Fresno and Nevada do have penalties. I expect it
will get more complicated before it is settled. Have fun with all
I hope the Cougs stay put at least for the next few years and give the MWC a
chance to be a BCS auto q. e owe that to the other institutions we affiliated
with when we formed it. I. for one, was looking forward to as time when the MWC
would have it's own championship (once it expanded to 12.
Hey Chuckie---If this is so great why didn't we do it years ago? In reality,
this will close the gap between the BCS school payouts ($11M- $20M)and our
payout (reported as $5m-$7M from ESPN). The BCS won't offer us even close to
the deal that Notre Dame has for access to the BCS games and until we win games
like others have (Utah, BSU, TCU, Hawaii), we'll never be at a BCS party. BYU
administration has done a good job reacting to the exodus of Utah to the PAC 10
and salvaged something. Let's just hope that reports are false about Reno and
Fresno joining the MWC or our non football teams will be playing local high
Having viewed (or attempted to view) BYU games in Virginia, Texas and Ohio with
myriad BYU fans, this would be huge. Most, if not all of these fans, would be
willing to pay an additional $50/month to subscribe to an all BYU Athletics
Sports channel. This will benefit BYU's exposure and ensure control over
advertising and distribution (think, no more awkward questions by your 4 year
old about "male enhancement suppliments" advertised during commercial breaks)
and increase the revenue for BYU Athletics. At first glance, this was not a
move I would endorse, but after thinking about it, there are too many positives
not to proceed. Risks, yes, but manageable.
Actually the "super conference" may not be the future. The era of major
independents might be the future. Texas rewrote the rules in favor
of becoming a major independent at a future point of thier choosing. USC could
do the same. So could other schools with major draws. It may be
better (more cost effective) for ESPN etc to cut deals with a few major draw
independents for key games than to overpay conferences.All
conferences have schools that add very little to the value of the conference TV
revenues. A handfull of major schools create the TV value. It is in the
interest of those schools to get as much of the revenue as they can and not
carry and subsidize the weak schools in a conference. If a few of
the big name schools demand contracts like Texas (wave of the future), there
will be no super conferences. There will be more independents who will sign
thier own TV deals. Scheduling is less of a problem because of the money
generated by playing one of the major TV independents. The
conferences are obsolete and inefficient because they have so many teams that
are poor TV draws.
Not a BYU fan, but I like the idea of a conference affiliation for other sports,
football independence with control over your own sports broadcast rights. It
could be with the WAC, MWC or C-USA, doesn't matter. Here is a schedule USU,
Fresno, Nevada, Hawaii, Air Force, Navy, Army, Utah, BSU, TCU, SDSU(whether they
are in the WAC or not), Baylor, and Boston College. (Eight home games, Five road
games, 13 total). The flexibility is endless, and all teams that BYU has played
with some frequency in the past. Regional and national appeal, but with a west
coast and Texas emphasis. All games will be broadcast, with some home and away
games being broadcast by ESPN. This provides great exposure, and TV $. Just be
competitive every three or four years to be in BCS bowl consideration. Doable,
not easy. If they can pull this off, even with the good basketball, relatively
weak football WAC, it will be the best thing that could happen to BYU sports.
They won't need the Big12 or PAC12, rather they become the tv option to both for
@Conference ChampionsDon't kid yourself. Utah knew three years ago
that BYU was working to go independent, at least in football. Knowing that, they
jumped at the chance to go to the PAC, and surely they should have. It's not
that BYU close to going independent BECAUSE Utah bolted, it's that Utah could
see the "hand-writing on the wall" and KNEW they had to improve their prospects
while they had the chance. Without BYU, BSU doesn't stay. Without either of them
and TCU for sure leaving the MWC, Utah would have had diddly. So they took a
good deal for themselves. But you kid yourself if you think BYU's current
negotiations have anything to do with or is a reaction to Utah's defection. At
best it only hasten them along.
@yarrlydarb | 6:42 p.mYeah like Utah had the PAC10 commish create
and execute their expansion plans only because BYU was planning on independence.
LOL! Thats so funny! I can't believe you zoobies think this stuff up.BYU is totally reacting to what big-brother did! "What about us?"
is what BYU is screaming now.
According to the Fresno Bee, both Fresno and Nevada are headed to the MWC.
At this point, BYUtv is a nonprofit channel, which means that cable companies
have to pay almost nothing to carry it. If BYU tries to run football games on
this channel, it loses it's nonprofit status and therefore would likely be
dropped from a large percentage of those 50 million homes, because the cable
companies would have to pay a much larger sum to run the network as a part of
their free programming. So, the exposure might not be nearly as widespread as
people are suggesting.
I don't understand the reasoning some of you are using. The viewership and TV
contracts are only secondary considerations.Recruitment is a top
priority, and this move seems like it will hurt recruitment.Top
players will want to play in top Conferences so they can play against other top
players, get the best shot at national attention (BCS bowl games), and better
shots at the NFL.The same goes for competition. Who will schedule
BYU? Without a set of standard Conference games, BYU may be hard-pressed to fill
their schedule.On the other hand, top teams will have a full roster
of Conference games, but will need to fit some non-conference opponents in. BYU
could be the non-conference opponent for a number of good teams.I am
torn about this. I don't think I will sell my BYU season tickets and drop out of
the CougarClub just yet.
@TheCanuckI'd like to ask your age--it's got to be less than
25. You have no idea how many years ahead schools plan their inter-collegic
schedules and maneuvers. You think any business with multi-million dollar
budgets are going to make any big money deals in a matter of months based on
another school's defection announcement of a few months. Do we know how to spell
@TheCanuck againNot at all. It had nothing to do with the PAC. They
had there needs just like every other school. They wanted Texas but Utah was on
their list, too, just down the line somewhere. If you think schools react in a
matter of weeks or months or even years, you are kidding yourself. Take a look
at Hellooo's post. Maybe you'll get the picture.
Ok, here is the real deal.BYU is attempting a mini Texas and forcing
the hand of the MWC for a bigger rev share and possibly going indi in
football.Will the MWC budge? Does having Fresno and Nevada make it
easier to accept the BYU's terms or give them more power to say "take a hike"We'll know soon.
@Y ask Y It is about the exposure, the recruiting will elevate with the
exposure. Besides BSU did very well with a weak SOS in the WAC. BYU
will find scheduling easier than BSU because they draw better and have much
better home attendance. BYU can create it's own sports channel and
offer it to the cable companies for token cost. They will carry it. BYU has
already paid the big expense. Adding a channel to the existing ones is no big
deal. It does not matter if the WAC is weak. BYU will write it's own
ticket in basketball, baseball and minor sports. It is not like the MTN did much
for BYU in those sports. The MTN was decent in basketball but scheduling is
easier in basketball so the MTN will not be missed. BYU has been
planning this option for a long time. Texas has made the timing feasible. The
failure of the PAC to grab Texas dooms the super conference idea. ESPN helped
Texas write the new rules. ESPN is looking out for itself. USC and
maybe UCLA/UCAL could demand and get arrangements like Texas in the future.
The deal ESPN has been negotiating with BYU is between 1.4 and 2 million per
home football game. Do the math and this is a no brainer. The other sports,
collegiately, are lucky to make enough collectively to pay the expenses.
Both Reno and Fresno media are reporting that their schools will join the MWC,
with press conferences scheduled for 7:30 Pacific Time. Unless the WAC gets two
more teams, it will not have the eight teams required to be an NCAA Division I
conference. This is getting pretty crazy.
Lobo fan here. Totally bummed if BYU leaves MWC; was looking forward to years
to come of great UNM/BYU basketball games. But I'd be even MORE bummed if I was
a BYU fan. No more huge games for BYU at Thomas & Mack and at The Pit. Looks
like the WAC will be down to 6 teams in basketball, plus BYU. Not a very
inspiring conference basketball schedule of Idaho, LaTech, San Jose St., Hawaii,
Utah St and NMSU. BYU will soon find out if its image of its football program
is overinflated. Regardless, all of BYU's non-football sports will pay a steep
price. Hope BYU will change its mind.
By far the best move for BYU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If this goes through, I
am getting BYUTV!!This gives more flexibility to scheduling Utah, I
like the Utah State/General Conference thing, the Hawaii game is awesome,
landing Notre Dame, Army, and Navy would be very welcomed as their large fan
bases would be tuning in, and this also gives flexibility to schedule Pac 12 and
other BCS opponents.And really, did any of us really care when they
won the MWC or WAC titles? Big deal. Conference championships don't mean
anything. Once you've tasted the national title ('84), conference championships
lose their luster.
BYU considers itself "the Harvard of the West" (it's not), so now it can be "the
Notre Dame of Utah County".
I know the old 16 team WAC broke up before because it did not work
geographically, but why not bring the Mountain West and the WAC back together to
reform the WAC, get the automatic BCS bid, form its own TV network, and have a
lot of potential entries into the NCAA basketball tournament. You can have your
Conference Championship and get the automatic BCS birth. Of course this won't
happen and its a crazy idea, but its an idea!
To Louisiana Cougar,You can stay in your mediocre state as long as
you want, but as for the rest of us we would like to see some games. I welcome
this idea - you can have the Mountain...
RE: cfbrulesBYU does not consider itself the Harvard of the west.
That is ridiculous. I think if you asked students and administrators if that was
really the case they would laugh and say that is neither important, nor does it
have anything to do with the mission and goals of BYU. I wonder where you heard
that from. And that honor(Harvard of the west) obviously goes to
Utah leaves to go to the PAC 10 and the MWC becomes a "house of cards." Utah
was truly the strength of the conference along with TCU.
The WAC can find a couple of teams to add. BYU will be fine in
Basketball. They will have MUCH better coverage and can schedule a lot of other
teams including old MTN rivals if they wish. Basketball will benefit greatly
from having BYU broadcast all of the games that are not on ESPN.
Joining the discussion late but:If true, I hope BYU succeeds as an
independent. It is somewhat high risk, but there definitely is a potential for
high rewards. That's the thing about a conference: when you're on top they can
hold you back, but if you're on bottom, it's sure nice to have someone else to
help hold you up. Good luck BYU in whatever happens, and good luck
to the Mountain West Conference. My Utes may be moving, but I still think the
Mountain West deserves a lot of respect, even if it does end up being just TCU
and Boise State leading the way.
Interesting development... It looks like a done deal with Fresno and Nevada
going to the MWC. Also BSU said that they are not returning to the WAC, though
there have been rumors that they might. LA Tech is looking to join C-USA... So,
there might not be a WAC for BYU to join.
There is no doubt the future of Intermountain West football is in the WAC and
not the MWC. The MWC is too restrictive of schools, financially, to keep up
with the big boys. And their visibility is next to none due to the awful
network.BYU has been a consistent powerhouse from year to year, and
with their bad years behind them, they are returning to form. I'm excited for
them to go independent in football. I'm not a fan, but I do enjoy watching BYU
football.Fresno State and the MWC is perfect. Then I don't have to
ever see them again.
BYUCOLORADO | 8:43 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 "Harvard of the west" I
have heard it and continue to hear it from BYU students. I think it's
ridiculous, too. Btw...BYU students I know think the mission and
goal of BYU is to get married.
Did you guys hear about NC State going indy in track and joining the Sun Belt
for everything else except fencing, which will remain in the ACC?
My money is on BYU staying and still creating their own network or whatever they
are trying to do. I think with adding those two teams they will be really close
in getting that AQ bid. Bringing in those two schools makes up for how bad the
bottom half of the league really is. There will be no Wac to join so they will
have to stay in the mwc. Better for them in the long run anyway.
@TrueBlueYou bring up an excellent point regarding the new
independent's bowl affiliation(s) or lack thereof. There's no
question that the tds is trying to back door the BCS system, but the gamble
leaves them out of other bowl opportunities.This is a huge gamble
with little or no bowl implications in the balance. I'm so grateful that Utah
is not involved in this mess. Rose Bowl, BCS here we come! "Thank
you, thank you very much." "Elvis has left the building."
Going independent is a bad idea and going back to the WAC is even worse. Why go
back? It's a major downgrade from the MWC when you've got BSU and TCU.
This is silly. The WAC or the MWC...It's like reshuffling the same deck of
cards. Who cares???BYU finally grabbed some headlines today;
mission accomplished. Seems like a very risky move but the BYU faithful are
happy so CONGRATULATIONS BYU! Independence is both unique and BYU's
I think WCC has invited BYU's other sports to join them. Better match than the
WAC anyways. I hope BYU's leadership has an idea of where they are headed.
Exciting and scary times to be a Cougar.
According to ESPN BYU football will be playing 6 WAC games and is unlikely to
get the Notre Dame exception. Navy and Army have to finish in the
top 2 to get a AQ bid while ND must finish #8.So if they don't get
the AQ status look for the top 10 BYU receivers to dominate the WAC, talk about
deja voo, and going to the Humanitarian Bowl. Hey atleast its not Vegas.Its a good move for money and exposure but I don't buy they will be the
Notre Dame of the West. Notre Dame actually has played in January since 1996.
It would be a GREAT decision. It makes sense to go Independent and give BYU more
choices than what they have now especially with limits to TV rights, etc. It's
time to go back to greatness that BYU once had as an independent. Go for it!
Uteology | 6:03 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 @chuckieWith your six years
relevance, and 2 BCS bowls, and 45,000 seat stadium, could Utah have gone
independent------"BYU, according to sources, was
stunned that an invitation didn't come its way as the Pac-10 first invited the
Big 12's Colorado and then turned to Utah to become the Pac-12 earlier this
summer."=======Serious? Sources?Holmoe knew the
PAC was not going to invite a religous school three years ago, so it was a
pretty drawn out stunned...
Awwwww poor little babys from byu!!!... Have to go indy because they did not get
an invite to the Pac-12.. See they are jealous!!!
The more this unfolds, the more it's clear that BYU will be as big as ANY school
in the west in a few years. It has to to with the gate and the tv contracts.
LaVell said it many years ago to Paul James when asked, "How did you do it,
LaVell? How did you put BYU on the map" (paraphrasing, not a direct quote).
Being very honest, LaVall said (paraphrasing again), "You put money into a
program, you can build a good program." All these things take place
behind the scenes. Coach Kyle and Utah administration aren't surprised at
today's news. Coach Kyle and friends feathered their nest as well as they could,
given their circumstances. PAC is darned good, everybody knows. That Texas
turned the PAC down made Utah's day because they knew that it was only a matter
of time before BYU pulled some strings for itself. And anyone who thinks Utah
can out draw BYU in the stands or on the tube or cable in any part of the
country other than the Mountain West if it's not a bowl game is in fantasy land.
I'm amazed at the ignorance. BYU is not leaving MWC because it's a week
conference. They're leaving because of the TV contract and money. They'll make
10X more money with this move. Other MWC schools are figuring this out also and
will be right behind them. Utah AND BYU kept the conference relevant. TCU and
BSU are great football teams, but they don't have the following to keep the
conference together. MWC will be irrelevant in a year or two. If WAC was
stronger conference, BYU would have joined them for FB. WAC is just the conduit
BYU needed to for their other sports. There was not a better conference that
invited BYU, so independence was better than staying in MWC. They are doing
what Univ of Texas was trying to do before Big 12 offered them tens of millions
to stay. MWC doesn't have the pocket book to make the same deal to BYU.
Wow....if this is true, it shows the different direction that the BYU and Utah
programs are going. Utah gets upgraded to the Pac-12, BYU gets downgraded to
the third tier WAC.Its sad to see BYU's once strong football program
falling to this level.
I absolutely love the idea of BYU going independent. And that they will use the
WAC to fill 1/2 their schedule plus the military schools. Cougar fans, get ready
for an awesome schedule including Idaho, LaTech, San Jose St., Hawaii, Utah St.,
NMSU, Army, and Navy. I can't wait till your team flies in to Ruston Louisiana
or Las Cruces New Mexico, or play the Idaho Vandals in front of 16,000 in
Moscow Idaho. Meanwhile the Utes are playing against USC, Oregon, UCLA, UW, ASU
in a major conference. If the WAC and military schools really are used to fill
your schedule that means 4 of your 6 home games are from that pile of garbage.
The schedule wont make you the "Notre Dame of the west" anytime soon. If you are
playing a schedule like that don't expect a BCS game EVER. Honestly, I
don't hate BYU, I just think that schedule is a recipe for disaster. Just be
patient and accept your Big 12 invite in a couple years. I can't think of a
better non-AQ school than BYU. Their facilities, fans, stadium, teams, support
are all great. Good luck
Good riddance Cougs, good riddance! Everyone suspected you folks thought you
were better than everyone else, now you've proven us right!
Ute Fans... check yourselves. Who is the bigger program nationally? BYU... for
sure. The U got into the PAC10 because they HAD to in order to draw bigger $$
and develop the program. BYU CAN go independent. Do you know how huge the
ABILITY to go independent is? Can you imagine the U saying "we think our
football program can draw enough national attention (translated as "filling the
stadium") that we don't need to be part of a conference." Laughable. BYU
taking its largest money maker independent is a huge statement about how well
the program is respected nationally for its ability to compete at a very high
level, increase ticket sales at stadiums on the road, and be an opponent that
fans want to see. Don't get me wrong, the U has built a good program & I'm
thrilled for Kyle. But Chris & the rest of the administrators on The Hill know
better than to consider going Independent.
BYU thinks there is a pot of gold out there waiting for them by going
independent... oh please. I like BYU, but that is probably one of the worst
moves they could make. Out side of Utah, unless you are LDS, no one cares.
There will be no big national TV contract pay day. If you look at
the math, half of the church members don't live in the US, so they could care
less. That leaves 6 million people or so, and at least half of those don't care
about BYU. BYU through its attempt to be an exclusive school has cut off much
of the pipe to a future fan base. Many will have gone elsewhere to school and
are loyal to those schools. That leaves about 3 million potential viewers.
Now of that half that is left, I know this may be shocking, but a good number
don't care about football. I know, not very American of them. My mom who
doesn't, and neither do my youngest kids.So how many households are
left to support a BYU sports station - not very many. BYU really over played
their hand here.
Like I said earlier I hope you Zoobs enjoy playing the bottom feeders of the
WAC. You may be fortunate enough to sprinkle in a game or two with the big boys
of the Pac 12 or Big 10 from time to time so enjoy.
Nevada and Fresno St. has accepted the invitation by the MWC. That is straight
from the MWC website. So the WAC is left with 6 teams and is crippled. BYU still
has options on the table. The WCC, West Coast Conferance said they would allow
BYU to play all other sports with them. Which is great when you consider that is
were the basketball powerhouse Gonzaga calls home. The other sports would still
fair well enough off since the main bulk of revenue comes from Football and
basketball. Another option is for the MWC to revise its crud deal with The Mtn
network. Allow simulcasts and renew the contract with ESPN. What ESPN doesnt
cover, the Mnt, VS, and CBSc will pick up. And the MWC must allow BYU to
broadcast games on their high tech BYU TV. Either situation is a win win for the
Cougars and a Win, sort ok situation for the MWC. The MWC needs BYU and its vast
market and following. If they revise the contract and byu stays, the MWC will be
a force, and will get out of that crap bowl deal and send the champ to somewhere
other than Vegas for once.
@Bugoff | 6:32 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010It may be better (more cost
effective) for ESPN etc to cut deals with a few major draw independents for key
games than to overpay conferences.--------Ironic
statement considering FOX and ESPN stepped in with a promise of new TV deal to
keep the Big 12 from dissolving.I agree with ESPN, college football
is a regional game with its rivalries, etc.
@Robert JohnsonYou're almost right, Robert, except you got it upside
down. The money-maker in college is FB, all the other stuff (except football) is
Title IX mostly. Football makes the money. Money comes from tv and cable, and
full stadiums. At the bottom of the PAC, Utah cannot compete with it's own
fellow conference members in any of those categories. BYU on the other hand, can
draw a crowd anywhere in the country better than Utah ever thought of doing
unless their BCS busters in a bowl game. But that will soon change, because as
LaVell said long ago, "You put money in a program, you build a program"
yarrlydarb | 10:05 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010The more this unfolds, the more it's
clear that BYU will be as big as ANY school in the west in a few years.----------Bold statement for a 4th place mid-major who hasn't
played in January since 1996. Who now will be playing 6 games against the
leftover WAC teams.I think Gary Patterson's opinion caries a
little more wight then yours:"If you're BYU, you better be careful
what you wish for...I can tell you this: If you think being an independent is an
easier way to get to a national championship, you're kidding yourself." @ryansutes | 10:31 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 I
agree BYU should have waited for the Big 12 expansion. In my opinion both TCU
and BYU are a great fit in the Big 12.
Hey all you cougars...Do you remember how you bad mouthed the Utes for going to
the Pac for money? It's kind of funny now isn't it?Good luck with all the
money you will be getting.
This is just plain stupid.... Don't ever let the guys who are pulling these
strings become leaders in our government.... I have to agree with Hedgehog on
this one.... If Holmo is involved in making this call he needs to be fired.
Observation Deck | 10:41 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010Ute Fans... check yourselves.
Who is the bigger program nationally? ----------------BYU fans... check yourselves. Bigger programs don't play 4-6 WAC teams
annually? It will be interesting to see BYU's 2011 SOS.
PoymanCheck your sources.Anyone at BYU? Dude, wait to
hear something. Read what Duff Tittle said. This is all rumor, half
truths. Point is, we don't know what half are the truths...Watch it
play out.Holmoe, un-be-knownst to Hedgeho knows what he is doing...
No, not every Cougar fan is thrilled with this potential move. I think it is
shortsided and filled with deep holes. And now with Fresno and Nevada leaving
the WAC, why would we put out minor sports in the unenviable position of playing
what is left. And now, no way BSU returns to the WAC. Stay in the MWC, this is
madness, cubed! I cringe at the huge MWC fan backlash at this. It does smack
of elitism. Goes for Utah too.
ESPN cut the deal with Texas to protect it's other contracts from getting
raided. Sooner or later they will revise it all. Maybe piecemeal but Texas will
go independent if they do not get their actual worth out of the Big 12 TV
contract. USC could/should do likewise (maybe after probation). Penn State, Ohio
State, MI, FL and others could demand and probably get arrangements similar to
Texas. That cuts the money to the other teams in the so called super
conferences. Some teams are just props in the conferences as far a
generating TV revenue. CO was worth very little to the Big 12. NE has a large
following and could demand a deal like Texas but either did not want to try with
the Big 12 or could not get it from the Texas. In the long run ESPN
(and maybe other networks) will rearrange the conferences to reflect ESPN's
@Bugoff|12:41 a.m. Aug. 19, 2010Why is it that your the ONLY one
saying more independents yet every sports writer I read says it's headed to a
super conferences.Doea anyone agree with you? Site your
source to back your opinion.
BYU is making a big mistake. Effectively, they are choosing to be an independent
with WAC ties. This is clearly a downgrade for you BYU folk.As an
independent, BYU will NOT become a fully recognized BCS team... whereas if they
would just stay in the MWC, that AQ will come very soon.Quit
identifying yourself with Notre Dame. BYU is no Notre Dame, yet you all are
expecting to get what ND gets... its own lucrative TV deal and automatic BCS
bids with a top-8 finish. BYU's deal will be nothing like that. Plus, you are
watering down your schedule with WAC teams... which will hurt you in the
national polls.Why BYU is actually going with this is dumbfounding.
Fine, whoop it up BYU fans. In the end, you will find that you are now worse off
than you were in the MWC. You certainly are not on the same level as a Pac-12
Utah.For some reason, BYU is choosing to distance the gap between
itself and the U.
You are all missing the point...The driving force behind all of this
is ESPN.ESPN loves BYU and is willing to poor a ton of cash at them. They are not interested in Wyoming or Nevada.They want BYU
back in their fold.BYU wants to control it's own brand, again, as
every team should desire to do.The Socialistic experiment of the
Mtn. is over.It's the same reason TExas is not about to have equal
revenue sharing with Baylor.This is the new model. USC will be next
to demand their own deal. The days of a Washington State or a soon
to be Utah, riding the coat-tails of the top tier within thier own conferences,
are over.Wake up, folks. It's that simple.All of the
other sports, don't reallly matter, BYU can excell in those in any league. Ask
Gonzaga.Football is King.
It's called revenue1) BYUTV will bring in a lot more watchers2) BYU
has much larger stadium than Rice-Eccles3) BYU does not have problem
scheduling big teams - USC, Washington, ND, Florida State (all of these have
scheduled to play both places)Why would anyone stay in the MWC and
the MTN? That is nuts!
BYU's schedule after they go Independant.1. Ball st.2. San
Jose st.3. Appalachian st.4. New Mexico st.5. Idaho6.
Miami of Ohio.7. Weber st.8. UCF.9. Kent st.10.San Diego
st.11.Villanova.12.Hawaii ( The big game)Maybe in a
couple years they will open against Texas or Florida and get pounded.
I seriously don’t know what to say. Utah is invited to the PAC 10 along
with Colorado to become the PAC 12. BYU isn’t invited by the PAC 12 or
the Big XII so it decides to actually descend the ladder a little bit and rejoin
the WAC, a conference it left in 1999 because it had become watered-down even by
BYU standards with no-talent programs.
Why do people keep bringing up getting an AQ BCS bid in 2 years? Let me spell
it out for you :IT AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN!!!!! As long as SDSU, UNLV,
NM, WY, and CSU are in the conference dragging it down, the MWC will NEVER get
an AQ bid. BYU had to do something and they did, just like Utah had to jump at
the Pac-10 offer. Both schools have been exploring their options for years.
There might be a political angle to this as well. If the BCS gives BYU an
opportunity to qualify, maybe not as easily as Notre Dame, but still a path to
qualify, it might mitigate Senator Hatch's vendetta against the BCS. Couple
that with the ESPN deal, the Broadcast facilities, and all the other upsides and
it looks like BYU will make a successful run at independance.
Go for it BYU! I think this would be a good move. TheMtn has been disastrous
for fans and a move of some kind of definitely needed. I look forward to
finally being able to access the games on TV again!
What a move by Thompson!! With Utah gone i dont have to worry about the mountain
west, but as a big time supporter of the MWC for the last decade, I still have
love for the conference deep down. That's why its awesome and
HILARIOUS that BYU pulls this crap, acting like they are powerful enough to bail
and take all other athletic programs to the Whack (and play 4-6 teams in
football) so Craig Thompson says, "OK, We'll just take the only 2 remaining
decent programs from the Whack"! Remember all the posts yesterday
about how BYU is leaving so the whole MWC is gonna fall apart?? NOPE. The MWC
can still pick and choose ANY team it wants at ANY time from the Whack!Sorry BYU... your just NOT that cool.
To me, this makes no sense. BYU already has access to the BCS. Both Utah and
Boise State have done it twice since just 2004. If you finish in the top 14 you
already have access to the BCS. You just have to be great, not good. This has
been the problem for your team. Not the system. Last year if you didn't get
blown out at home by Florida State and TCU then you would have been there. It's not the system, it's you. And now you've given up on
what you have to be an independent and play the dregs of the WAC and Army/Navy.
What kind of reputation are you going to gain. Utah is in the
Pac-10, and you've just become Weber State. You're not developing a
strong national reputation, you're losing a weak one. Who do you think you are?
And for all the non-football atheletes at BYU, how does it feel to
be abandoned by your university. BYU, eat crow, go back to the MWC,
and face reality. You are not what you think you are.
re: Fiddler | 11:29 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010 Is this delusions of granduer
or the arrogance that the San Diego paper mentioned that WON'T be missed?The MWC is folding? News to me. Lets call a spade a spade; BYU is being
selfish, greedy, & oh yeah prideful.