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BYU football: Rumors fly that that Cougars are going independent

Sources say that all sports except football will compete in the WAC

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  • Wally West
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:48 a.m.

    BYU is doing what any spoiled rich kid who is not as liked as he thinks he is is dong. Simply put, taking their ball and going home because they are not getting what they want.

    Yesterday, 1280 rightly pointed out thatScheduling is the key. So, the zoobs could get; USU, Hawaii, Fresno, San Diego St, NV-Reno, & UNLV. May be Utah and Boise. Where then would they get another 4 to 6 games?

    Other PAC schools seem unlikely as does anyone from the Texas/OU conference. BYU likes filling up on cupcakes.... calling Bo Tiddly Tech, Western Nebraska A & I, Bertha's school of cosmetology, etc...?

  • Otis Spurlock
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:44 a.m.

    This will be the biggest bust in college athletics in the last 50 years, coming in slightly below SMU’s 2 year “football death penalty” for massive, systemic, and ongoing cheating in 1985.

    Who is going to want to play BYU as an independent? Especially at BYU’s home stadium? What bowl games will want BYU as an independent without a supporting conference and the built-in viewership they help provide? More telling, which schools would BYU, as an independent, seek to schedule football games against? Which teams from the WAC will comprise the four annual football opponents for BYU as an “independent”? BSU (if they stay ), Hawaii, Utah State, and Fresno? Will BYU have to agree to play the teams like Idaho, New Mexico State, LA Tech, and San Jose State on a regular basis so they don’t feel left out? Wouldn’t one accidental loss to a team like New Mexico State automatically cancel out any benefit that BYU, as an “independent” would’ve gained from beating BCS schools like Michigan, Illinois, Arkansas, and Texas during any given season?

  • TDS Fan
    Aug. 19, 2010 9:13 a.m.

    So . . . does going "mid-major" independent make our quarterback controversy go away?

  • Canadiandy
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:30 p.m.

    Good call Cougars.

    BYU football has never been just about winning, or money, or prestige. So this makes perfect sense for a team that gets the shaft no matter which conference they're in. At least this way they are in the driver's seat when it comes to scheduling and broadcast rights.

    And if New Mexico fans want to act like jerks, they don't have to play them again. And since UNLV always gets home court advantage in the MWC tourney, maybe BYU can host one of their own.

    Hey Aztecs, turn off the lights when you leave.

  • regis
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:27 p.m.

    Hmmmmm. BYU leaves the MWC penalty-free, yet had a hand in urging WAC schools to agree to a penalty for leaving that conference? All so BYU could find a "soft landing" in the WAC for non-football sports? Sounds a little hypocritical. Maybe cynical? Selfish?

  • PCH Ute
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:14 p.m.

    I like he sound of it...........WAC-Cats.

    Anyway.....Who Cares........mew...mew.

  • CougarOnTheProwl
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:39 p.m.

    hedgehog | 4:22 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010
    Chris Hill would have been fired for such a desperate move.

    I'm sure Mr. Hill is ROFL as we speak.

    Question is what will Mr. Hill's reaction be when the yewts struggle to break .500 in basketball and become a medocre pac-12 team in football?

  • RSL1
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:23 p.m.

    BYU vs Notre Dame every year would be great. I'm sure BYU would make far more money with its own ESPN deals and BYUTV than it would splitting its Mtn. TV money with the other MWC schools. As far as football goes it makes perfect sense. The big question is BCS or future football playoffs. How will they be included in those?

  • CougarOnTheProwl
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:11 p.m.

    Good solid move for BYU, its a no-brainer really when u consider the revenue gain and national exposure on tv. And if they dont get AQ status right away, its at least a huge step closer to it. As far as joining the WAC in basketball, does it really make much of difference whether you play in the MWC or WAC? Not really as long as you win 20 plus games or win the conference tournament your gonna get into the big dance. Also when you consider how much more national exposure byu will get in basketball with a new tv deal they are better off in the long run. One other thing, with the possibility of other MWC teams joining the WAC, the WAC will likely become alot stronger then the MWC anyway. Bottomline is BYU is doing what is for the better of the school and their program and independence is the way to go for now at least.

  • UtahRoper
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:53 p.m.

    Perhaps this is ALL about getting the MWC to give them the "TEXAS DEAL" and allow them to have their own network as incentive to remain in the MWC. Just a theory!!

  • VegasUte
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:54 p.m.

    The "target" that you zoobs have said is on the backs of the Utes is squarely back on you own backs!! Good luck "rebuilding" this year!

    Looks like you will be playing Mt. St. Marys next season for basketball conference supremacy. The WAC will not be there!!

    Utes still smelling like roses!!

    Go Crimson!

  • BluCoug
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:45 p.m.

    Until recently the utes could never compete in modern day football and when they did it was only 2 years at that. History support this claim. They will be exposed again in due time.

  • VegasUte
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:51 p.m.

    WAC!! HA HA HA HA HA HA

    HA HA HA HA HA HA

    HA HA HA HA HA HA

    Go Utes! Go Crimson!!

  • PAC man
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:44 p.m.

    It's actually fun to see this BYU blog being overrun by jealous Utah trolls.

    Just further proof that Utah fans are totally obsessed with BYU.

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:33 p.m.

    @PAC12
    ...Will they also start the Provo Bowl?...

    Yes. It is called Provo Blue Celery Soup Bowl --ie Provo BCS Bowl

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:25 p.m.


    Thank you, Chris Hill and Kyle for delivering PAC-12/AQ BCS to us.

    Thank you, Holmoe and Broco for taking BYU to the WAC --you're now where you belong all this time

    hahaha!
    It's good to be a Utes!!!
    Is it too sad to be a Cougar today, guys?

  • Uteology
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:18 p.m.

    jazzbball | 7:31 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010
    But are they big enough in football to make this work successfully and be in a BCS bowl hunt yearly? Yep.

    ----------

    When was the only time they were in the BCS hunt? Tic....tic...tic... Thu, Oct 16 @TCU L 32-7.

    So how are they going to be in the "BCS hunt yearly"?

    Unless that is...

    IF BYU plays stronger SOS and

    IF they get the "Notre Dame exception" and

    IF they beat non ranked MWC teams (not yet under Bronco) and

    IF they get ranked in the top 8 (haven't finished in the top 10 since 1996) or

    IF they go undefeated (not since 2984) would they be in the "BCS bowl hunt" yearly.


    Sounds like wishful thinking. They're better off waiting for the Big-12 invite.

    Now if they are doing it for the exposure and more money then its a great move.

  • Cougs4Life
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:15 p.m.

    Chris Hill would never have had the resources, credibility, or support of ESPN to pull of this move...you're right, he would have been fired.

  • Johney Utah
    Aug. 18, 2010 4:56 p.m.

    The BYU/Utah rivalry game should be scheduled like USC/Notre Dame; That is, late in the year.

  • PAC12
    Aug. 18, 2010 4:47 p.m.

    BTW for those banking on the LDS membership for a deal like Notre Dame.

    In the US 68 million Catholics and 5.9 million Mormons. I know you will say not all Catholics are ND fans, but not all Mormons are BYU fans. The math just doesn't work out. Outside of the west coast and intermountain, not enough eyes for a primetime TV contract or BCS status like ND.

  • PAC12
    Aug. 18, 2010 4:36 p.m.

    This is a dumb move.

    So if BYU doesn't get a BCS deal like ND (which WILL NOT happen).... What bowl games are they even eligible for with most already having conference affiliations?

    Will they also start the Provo Bowl?

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 18, 2010 4:22 p.m.

    Chris Hill would have been fired for such a desperate move.

    I'm sure Mr. Hill is ROFL as we speak.

  • Cougs4Life
    Aug. 18, 2010 3:55 p.m.

    If this happens, the MWC and WAC will merge...

    Also @Big Ben...ESPN continues to have interest in BYU in 2010. This year they picked up the BYU @ USU game for a nationally televised event based on their WAC contract...I'm sure it's because of all of the excitement about the Aggies possible run to a BCS game? Riiiiight.

    BTW, did ESPN pick up and televise the Utes last visit to Logan? Oh...they didn't...that riiiiight too.

  • Sportfanatic
    Aug. 18, 2010 3:47 p.m.

    I heard today that Karl Benson from the WAC made all of the teams sign a 5 million dollar out fine for any of the teams to leave the WAC. So there will be no teams jumping from the WAC to the MWC. They have predicted that teams will start leaving the MWC. Boise St. has already talked about going back to the WAC. TCU is rumored to go to Conference USA, thus leaving not enough teams for the MWC to survive. They need 8 teams to be a conference in division 1. The rest of the MWC teams would all then probably re-join the WAC. Karl Benson from the WAC is a very happy man today! He also told BYU that he would happily take all the rest of BYU sports into the WAC. This is a great deal for BYU! The MWC lost their almost AQ bid to the BCS when Utah left. Yes that is a fact! Tom Holmoe could see the writing on the wall, and has been working feverishly to complete this new deal. Yes, ESPN will again contract with BYU, making it an even bigger deal for the Y. Go Cougars!

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 2:35 p.m.

    @panamadesnews

    isn't it past your bedtime? I think its time to go for a nap.

  • Jeff R.
    Aug. 18, 2010 2:31 p.m.

    This a superb move by BYU if all is true. Take a look at BYU's assets. 1.) BYU TV which has been seriously upgraded and now offers HD to over 80 million households world wide 2.) Huge fan base no matter where they play 3.) National prominance in recruiting both LDS and non LDS alike.
    The best thing to come out of this move to independance is BYU finally getting out of that horrible TV deal with the Mnt. It has limited reach and you need VS. and CBS-College just to get half of what ESPN pulls in. BYU would also strike a deal with ESPN and perhaps ABC or NBC that could broadcast BYU home games. BYU would get to keep all the revenue from TV deals and bowl bids. So how is this not a great idea? BYU is one of the very few colleges that could pull this off. Great news for the University and this should have been done months agao

  • TrueBlue
    Aug. 18, 2010 2:24 p.m.

    Tomorrow could be an historic day for BYU football.

    With the flexibility the WAC is providing for scheduling, BYU will be able to put together a great schedule of high profile and best of WAC/MWC opponents.

    It'll be interesting to see how many other MWC teams will follow BYU to the WAC and whether Boise State will decide to back out of their MWC invitation.

  • caleb in new york
    Aug. 18, 2010 2:17 p.m.

    @ ImaCaMan 11:28 am

    at least in 2001 and 2009. threaten is a subjective term. I will refrain from asking about your comment as to how receiving money for someone else's accomplishments is comparable to receiving an actual berth to the BCS, because apparently you didn't make the comparison to add anything substantive to the discussion and instead your comparison was an attempt at humor.

  • panamadesnews
    Aug. 18, 2010 2:16 p.m.

    truetoU:

    You will see by season's end that the U has made a huge mistake. Not only is the U in over its head, but it gives the Y the opportunity it needs to get out of a BAD tv contract that the MWC has in place. In time, you will see that this is an excellent move for the Y, who will cruise and never look back. We will see who envys who!

  • Over the Top
    Aug. 18, 2010 2:13 p.m.

    Now I'll be able to cheer for the Utes in the LV Bowl!! They won't be playing my alma mater.

  • royalblue
    Aug. 18, 2010 1:53 p.m.

    "I have always read in the Dnews that BYU has a hard time scheduling schools."

    True, but they've scheduled Oklahoma, Texas and Oregon State all in the last couple of years.

    Hard, yes.

    Impossible, no.

    And, with their independent status, BYU's schedule will be much more flexible for scheduling, so this may actually make it easier to schedule other quality teams.

  • Cajunzoobie
    Aug. 18, 2010 1:31 p.m.

    Finally all BYU home events on BYUTV worldwide via satelite and internet! Awesome.

    No need for an ESPN TV contract. BYUTV is already in most everyone's home online, Dish, DirecTV, or cable.

    The away games will be dependent on their host teams' TV deals.

    Great news to finally see BYU football again. They disappeared years ago with theMtn...

    After years of not seeing BYU Football. Hopefully, they can arrange for the voice of the Cougars, Greg Wrubell. He's all we've had out here, to listen to on-line with no video..

  • Floyd Johnson
    Aug. 18, 2010 1:00 p.m.

    @Big Ben

    The 90's, and well last year also....

    ESPN is, and always has been interested in broadcasting BYU football.

    Utah got a great deal this year. They worked for it and they are a great fit for their new conference. If Utah had not left, BYU would not seriously consider moving this year. With Boise, Utah, TCU, BYU in the same conference, the Mountain West would have obtained BCS automatic qualifier status. Without all of those teams, the prospect becomes significantly less likely.

    A move to independence in Football provides an opportunity for BYU to significantly increase it's television exposure. Unlike any other school in the country, BYU already has the network available. They just need the rights to broadcast on it. Even if BYU becomes independent, it may be a temporary situation while they seek other options.

  • Skippy
    Aug. 18, 2010 12:39 p.m.

    I have always read in the Dnews that BYU has a hard time scheduling schools. How will this possibly work for them. Good Luck with that one.

  • baddog
    Aug. 18, 2010 12:26 p.m.

    Disco Vegas -- Your comment makes you relevant?

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 12:18 p.m.

    @ Floyd

    please read my post above. If BYU bolts, Boise will also. ESPN will have their darlings. And yes, Espn might have gone after BYU, in the mid 90's. checking my calendar, we are currently in the year 2010.

  • Utes = Cougars' Big Brothers
    Aug. 18, 2010 12:08 p.m.


    Utah: Pac-12, Major

    BYU: WAC, AA Mid-major

    WOW, good move!

  • WHAT NOW?
    Aug. 18, 2010 12:02 p.m.

    BYU/LaVell dumped ESPN because of the 7:00 PM Thursday night take it or leave it time slot.

    ESPN will forget getting dumped?

    Who knows?

    At this point, however, almost anything would be better than the current TV contract.





  • MiP
    Aug. 18, 2010 12:01 p.m.

    While I think it would be fun to see BYU's schedule were they independent in football, I think it would be unwise to do so. If the MWC can keep BSU, TCU and BYU together, then extend out an invite to Houston or Tulsa, they could make a serious run for an AQ BCS bid.

    This is not a knock at the Y, but there is NO WAY BYU gets the same deal as Notre Dame does, with regards to being an independent in the BCS.

  • MAFU
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:58 a.m.

    Cougs, tip of the cap for jumping ship with the MWC. My only beef with most posters here is the delusional numbers game that BYU fans like to throw out there when it comes to their actual fanbase, and how that will translate to TV ratings, etc.

    Membership in the LDS Church does not lead to blind fan obedience when it comes to cheering on the Cougs.

  • BYU = Best Little Brothers
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:54 a.m.

    @ImaCaMan
    Utah ---> Pac 12

    BYU ---> WAC


    that's all there is to it.
    The best BYU can come up to answer Utah's move to Pac-12 is the WAC.
    Chris Hill is laughing so hard up that hill.
    Kyle is loving it.

  • G-Swenz
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    NBA Draft picks for the last 10 years

    MWC:8
    WAC:13

    Wow, the Mountain West has so much more talent than the WAC. Why would BYU ever allow themselves to play in the lowly WAC?!

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:49 a.m.

    Please do not compare BYU to ND — you sound like a fool.

    Notre Dame has National rivalries already baked into their schedule. USC, Michigan, Mich St. and Purdue are all long time rivals they play ever year.

    What National rival does BYU have?

    Unfortunately for BYU, no real BCS power has any interest in forming a rivalry — especially if that means playing in Provo.

  • Tom in CA
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:48 a.m.

    @Disco Vegas:

    YOU are the "flash in the pan" DUDE - what planet do you live on anyway - oh, I know, po-dunk SLC.

    This is a "knee jerk" reaction to Utah going to the PAC-10?? You are all a bunch of nit wits.

  • Floyd Johnson
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:47 a.m.

    Re: Big_Ben

    Boise is not the ESPN "darling." With Boise joining the MWC, ESPN has lost all broadcast rights to them. Last year's opener was not the first game ESPN set up for BYU. ESPN often approached BYU about playing in the season opening Pig Skin Classic games. ESPN has, and has always had, an interest in broadcasting BYU football.

    I am curious to know how Boise and TCU would respond to losing both Utah and BYU from the Mountain West.

    By leaving the conference and the Mtn. Network, BYU positions itself for better national exposure. That will appeal to the LDS Church and the mission of the school.

    My best estimate for this actually happening, less than 50%. It is more likely that this process will result in a modified TV broadcast arangement for BYU, but not the rest of the conference. It sure is fun to talk about though.

  • Utah = BYU's Big Brothers
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:43 a.m.


    Joining WAC is a big step up for BYU.

    Way to go, TDS!

  • bigdaddy
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:42 a.m.

    To all the BYU-obsessed Ute fans who think this is a "Knee-jerk reaction by BYU to Utah's going to the Pac 10":

    Let's set your BYU fixation aside for a moment and look at the big picture.

    Since the first disastrous season of the Mtn. network, BYU has been planning and building a state of the art High Def Broadcasting facility along with the only mobile HD Broadcasting unit in the west. They didn't start this when Utah announced their Pac 10 plans.

    In March 2009 the Church hired Mark H. Willes as CEO of Deseret Management Corp (holding company for KSL, Bonneville Intl, Deseret Digital Media, Deseret News, etc). He's a major fortune 500 heavyweight with an impressive background in communications.

    They have methodically been putting the pieces together for years to regain control of broadcasting their own product. This means getting out of the Mtn. contract by whatever means necessary. Independence is just one option.

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:41 a.m.


    So...to sum it up...
    Big-12 did not invite BYU.
    Conf-USA did not invite BYU.
    WAC did invite BYU and BYU will say yes.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:36 a.m.

    @itsajelly and Cougs4Life

    If Byu bolts, Boise will be right back in the WAC and ESPN will continue to have their darlings. BYU would be very wise to make sure they have a TV deal in place.

    And itsajelly, how many people across the nation would watch BYU? There are about 7 million LDS across the country. Throw about at least 4 million as being inactive, of the rest, you can probably take a third, meaning a million BYU fans. Most of whcih are here in Utah.

    Having lived in Texas, we used to go to the church to watch BYU games on satellite. There about 4 of us. I think you overestimate the national appeal.

  • ImaCaMan
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:28 a.m.

    Re: Caleb in NY

    "BYU typically threatens for a BCS berth". Boy, that sure strikes fear in other BCS schools and promotes national significance.

    When has BYU ever "threatened" for a BCS berth? Whatever that means anyway. The closest BYU has ever gotten to a BCS berth is receiving the money they get from Utah's achievements.

    Utah ---> Pac 12

    BYU ---> WAC ha!

  • MenaceToSociety
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:25 a.m.

    Is Texas going to the Pac 10?

  • itsajelly
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:24 a.m.

    Big Ben: ESPN's darling Boise St. will no longer be relevant to ESPN as they will never broadcast one of their games again after this year because they were foolish enough to jump into the MWC ridiculous TV package. Now they are the Versus, CBCC, MWC, darlings. ESPN would/did snatch byu up in a heartbeat for their national support. All time zones, all zip codes. Utes not to be outdone bring the area between state and I 15. Sweet.

  • Ravenal
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:22 a.m.

    " coyote120 | 11:00 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010
    BYU may have a issue getting into a bowl in the first year or two but in the long term it should not be an issue for them as bowl contracts expire."

    You just reminded me that the Vegas bowl has the first choice of teams in the Mtn West. I remember an article a couple of years back that said they could pass on a team from the conference altogether. If that is true, then BYU could end up there for a year or two until they work out a better deal or get a BCS bowl.

  • Willard
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    It seems that those who so willing to see Utah leave the MWC are not willing to see BYU get a better deal than they have now. I am confident that BYU has some of the brightest people they can find working on this. Is it a risk? Is anything worthwhile in life a risk?
    Utah and BYU were the backbone of the MWC until TCU became prominent. BYU and Utah were essentially the backbone of the WAC.
    If they do take the risk, I am rooting for them to be successful.
    Those who don't are bitter and or have an axe to grind. Unless, watching ten hours of TV from their mother's basement couch has clouded their perception also.

  • Cougs4Life
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:19 a.m.

    @ Big_Ben

    Unfortunately...next year Boise State will be relegated to "the mtn." and ESPN won't have access any more.

    If anyone loses the most from this scenario, it is probably the Bronco's. MWC won't get AQ, stuck on "the mtn."...ulitmately MWC crumbles without BYU and Utah. Who will really watch "the mtn." after the Cougs and Utes leave?

  • itsajelly
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:17 a.m.

    This is so funny. BYU fans saying "they really should think about this before they do it." and Utah fans saying "this is all about us leaving." What is being overlooked is that this has been in BYU's plans a long time. long before the Utes became the red jerseyed step child of the Pac 10.5. The broadcasting facility and capabilities were put in place for a reason. Nationally recognized broadcasters were hired weeks ago (not released yet) to cover BYU athletics. (They were not hired to broadcast track and field or womens soccer.) Football. This is a posture to be prepared to join the Big 10 when the time comes, that is all. It is not a plan to go independent forever. It is to get out from the ridiculous MWC and it's lack of exposure and be ready to move in the next couple of years. Stop worrying and let the chips fall where and when they may. Very exciting day in BYU athletic history.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:13 a.m.

    @coug83

    Im guessing that was an attempt at sarcasm?

  • fyre
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:13 a.m.

    I think this could be a good thing but I think it may be the first step to eliminating sports at the mother ship BYU school like Ricks did.

    Peel the onion and look at the direction LDS CES has been going... Youth, College and ADULT education are the important areas.

    I hope BYU can go indie but logistically is it possible? Are they doing it to play Utah and keep the rivalry going? Do teams want to play BYU?

    A rivalry with Notre Dame would be Awesome and I would go to the games in Provo.

    Good Luck.

  • MC NM
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:13 a.m.

    Does anyone else think BYU's potential independence might force Air Force to join the other service schools as independent, thus bringing an end to the MWC as we know it? (tear) In which case, look forward to an MWC/WAC not-so-super conference merger with Boise and TCU as the juggernauts!

  • DanceManCougar
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:09 a.m.

    seriously, BYU TV, have you ever spent more than two seconds on that channel. Nope, because it is horrible and almost embarrassing. Not the route to get national attention!! Unless we can get some better garunteed deal with ESPN (who rules college football) and AQ status with the BcS (the cartel), then its a no brainer to just stay put. Basketball to the WAC=DUMB

  • Ravenal
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:08 a.m.

    Fan's of little brother up North are upset that the Cougars are in the news and they aren't. It really irritates them that BYU could actually make this work and improve their own situation while Utah is stuck in the middle of the PAC-Whatever.

  • scott
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:05 a.m.

    Craig Thompson has got to be sweating watching his flagship program getting ready to jump ship.

    With BYU joining the WAC in all sports except football, the MWC has lost their only real draw to inviting a team from the WAC.

    Much more likely would be a team like UNLV or TCU or SDSU joining the WAC.

    Boise State could really be left scratching their heads about what just happened if Utah, TCU and BYU are all gone when they finally get to the MWC.

  • Duh
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:04 a.m.

    I will believe it when I see it. I have mixed feelings. Independent in Football just doesn't sound that great. It would be better to be associated to a conference. As for everything else going to the WAC, that is not a big deal. All other sports are not relevant, maybe basketball but, given their history, this won't make much of a difference. I agree with Gorum, unless a bowl game is guaranteed, this won't happen. They will be better off in the MWC.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:02 a.m.

    @ Terry

    I hate to burst your bubble, but any notion that ESPN is "courting" BYU is fabricated. ESPN already has their mid-major darling (Boise St.) and its not likely to change. sorry, but I fail to see where the revenue streams are going to come from. I think BYU will be much more like Navy than Notre Dame.

  • coyote120
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:00 a.m.

    BYU may have a issue getting into a bowl in the first year or two but in the long term it should not be an issue for them as bowl contracts expire.

    ESPN is also reporting that BYU will be required to play 4 to 6 WAC football games a year.

  • Cougs4Life
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:00 a.m.

    Andy Katz from ESPN writes "According to independent multiple sources, BYU is in discussion with ESPN for its football rights. ESPN already has an agreement with the WAC to televise football and basketball."

    As a highly respected source of journalism, ESPN is fanatic about it's "sources." No story gets posted to ESPN unless the source is credible and verified. Given that Katz works for ESPN, I'm sure he has direct contact with the sources that he quotes above...so take it to the bank that the ESPN negotiations are going on.

    Question is, will they actually happen, or will BYU just use the negotiations to strong arm the mtn. into more flexibility?

  • jazz123
    Aug. 18, 2010 11:00 a.m.

    Why go independent now? If you wait 2 years the Mountain West might be a BCS conference. If not then you go independent.

  • COUGARNATE
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:57 a.m.

    BYU is not going to make a decision without contracts for t.v. settled, and with their own network, which is a very high quality broadcast center. One source says that UNLV and San Diego St. might be going back to the WAC. That source came from 1280 the zone radio. BYU stands to make a lot more money with Independency, rather than the horrible mtn. deal.

  • Anthony
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:56 a.m.

    What great news! Not only is it great for football, but even better for the other sports. To have global broadcasting of track and field, volleyball, soccer, rugby, etc., will create a fan base and recruiting base that will grow sharply in coming years. It also provides an opportunity to broadcast 30 and 60 second family messages that will be encouraging to people of all faiths. If one of the underlying purposes for our participation in sports is to gain exposure to the mission of the church, this will be a huge leap forward. Everything about this is a plus and the result of many years of analysis, planning, and preparation. The Utah move may have accelerated the timing slightly or maybe not at all.

  • ConferenceofChampions
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    They will give this independent thing a try for a couple of years, and then the football team will join the wac with the rest of the byu athletics.


  • cougar83
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:55 a.m.

    RE: Disco Vegas

    The Cougars are a flash in the pan????????

    Ute fans so easily forget the thrashing the Cougars have generally given their imperical team. Yes, the rivalry is even these days. Between 1970 and just recently, the Cougars stepped on your face first and then asked questions....flash in the pan? Stay on topic or get is site!

    Brigham Young has a forty-year legacy in college football. Add to that LaVell Edwards brought them out of darkness called the WAC and now the MWC.

    Our sold-ot stadium will still dwarf your additional 10K seats....

    Add to that the work that Bronco Mendenhall has accomplished since the Crowton debacle and how he would have to be behind this move for it to succeed, as well as the Board of Trustees of the LDS Church...and our fan base.

    Oh, by the way, let's consider the utes with their minisquel(sp?)fanbase and we will dwarf you in one season!

    Add to that 100 million television sets in HD and the Cougars have the makings of a huge coupe in college football.

    A nevermind to our little bro's in SLC...we have bigger plans...Go Cougars

  • U R Not Man Until a BCS Bowl
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:54 a.m.

    Otis,

    The Savior and Creator of all the world wants BYU in a BCS Conference, not the WAC!

  • BoiseSuperBlue
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    Recruiting for football, basketball and other sports is going to take a major hit too. Doing what has been reported is akin to the athletic program committing suicide. Maybe they are afraid that Boise State is going to come to the MWC and dominate it in football like it has the WAC since it joined that conference. Has anyone at BYU discussed this with Coach Bronco Mendenhall? I can't believe that he is in favor of this move.

  • truetoU
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:52 a.m.

    Dear Truth ---

    The actual truth is that Utah was in all the time... and the only truth is that byu is like the little kid in the school yard and is going to take their ball and go home.

    you may want to consider this truth... the only reason they y even has any play right now with espn is that BSU has left the wac and they need someone to fill BSU's shoes.... so how does it feel to be the replacement for BSU ha, ha.....

    I hope you go independent, your relevency in the landscape of the football world will be alot closer to navy then Notre Dame

    This summer just keeps getting better and better for UTAH fans!!!! GO UTES!!!!!

  • MC NM
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:48 a.m.

    Why hasn't the DesNews yet updated this article? It's been updated twice already on espn.com and it's only 10:45am MST. Anyhow, to all those Ute fans who would like to pride themselves on thinking this is simply a reaction to Utah's move to the Pac-12, that's only a (small) part of the story. If BYU had left, Utah would be up a creek even more. Could Utah even consider making a move to football independence? No. BYU has a national product and following that, while not nearly as big as Notre Dame's, still commands attention and money. It's too bad that the other sports programs would be relegated to playing lesser-quality WAC schools, but hopefully that would be only temporary. It would give BYU basketball a better chance at the tourney instead of attending the Las Vegas Invitational. The MWC TV contract is a joke and hurts BYU. BYU has as large a television draw as some of the biggest schools in the country, which is its trump card to either going independent or forcing the MWC's hand in allowing more TV rights/money. Go Cougars!

  • Otis Spurlock
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    Joining the WAC will really improve recruiting for BYU!

  • Independent
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    This seems like a perfectly reasonable move for BYU. Their own conference is bad and doesn't look like it will get any better, so why not take matters into their own hands?

  • RobSing
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:46 a.m.

    how come people think BYU is "the lord's school?" I though Notre Dame was.

  • Solomon the Wise
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:45 a.m.

    This is really not that big of a stretch for BYU. The Cougars practically carried the WAC on their backs for more than a decade while turning out a string of All-American quarterbacks, a Heisman Trophy winner, and winning a national championship.

    BYU put the Holiday Bowl on the bowl map and has been an ESPN favorite since BYU played Pittsburgh in the first ever nationally televised college football game on ESPN.

    BYU isn't Notre Dame, but finishing in the Top 25 regularly for the past 4 decades has given BYU the national cachet to be successful as an independent.

  • Skierelmo
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:44 a.m.

    Idablu.... again, not trying to rain on the aq parade, but I said this before utah left and I stand behind it now... the bcs won't invite the mwc as long as the bottom half of the conference is a. Perpetually ranked in the 70-80 range, and b. Cannot sell out small venues... even the mighty tcu averaged a puny 65% capacity last year, with only one sellout (utah).

    Fair or not, it's all about the money, and the bottom half doesn't make enough.

  • Carson
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:42 a.m.

    The Jealousy is killing BYU and it's fans!

  • itsajelly
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:41 a.m.

    This is so funny. BYU fans saying "they really should think about this before they do it." and Utah fans saying "this is all about us leaving." What is being overlooked is that this has been in BYU's plans a long time. long before the Utes became the red jerseyed step child of the Pac 10.5. The broadcasting facility and capabilities were put in place for a reason. Nationally recognized broadcasters were hired weeks ago (not released yet) to cover BYU athletics. (They were not hired to broadcast track and field or womens soccer.) Football. This is a posture to be prepared to join the Big 10 when the time comes, that is all. It is not a plan to go independent forever. It is to get out from the ridiculous MWC and it's lack of exposure and be ready to move in the next couple of years. Stop worrying and let the chips fall where and when they may. Very exciting day in BYU athletic history.

  • RobSing
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:40 a.m.

    @ Old greg and @ Otis

    ha ha ha ha ha ha!!! creepy creepers!!

  • The Milk Beast
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:38 a.m.

    Otis,

    You really think the Lord wants BYU to join the WAC? Are you being serious?

  • Wasatch Sasquatch
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    For all the posters commenting on how moving to the WAC for all the Olympic sports would be a bad move, when was the last time you went and watched the women's softball team? Or cross-country. The volleyball teams already participate in a different conference. Outside of basketball, who cares?

    And teams from even the smallest of conferences make it to the NCAA tournament, how would it hurt the basketball program?

    This helps the football program, and at worst maintains status quo for the other sport programs.

  • Terry
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:37 a.m.

    ESPN is courting them big time and will offer them many multiples of the piddly $1MM they get from the MWC TV deal and 5 times the TV viewers for exposure! PLUS they can then make millions more broadcasting the games that ESPN does not. Absolutely nothing to lose except a horrible TV deal and horrible bowl agreements. Now their national fans can actually watch them! Good riddance Las Vegas Bowl & Craig Thompson! :)

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:36 a.m.

    @ Truth 10:20

    ha ha, good one. You laugh at us but according to reports out of ESPN, the WAC will require BYU to play 5-6 WAC opponents in football each year. This is the post-Boise WAC mind you. Ha ha, who is going to fall into obscurity now?

  • Johnny Ace
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:28 a.m.

    Maybe I'm in the minority here, but why are so many wanting to wait and see if the BCS will make the MWC and automatic qualifier? We have no reason to believe the BCS will include the MWC, meanwhile BYU is leaving millions on the table every year because of the awful TV contracts and Bowl relationships. Now that Utah's out, I don't think it's a stretch to say that 60-70% of all MTN tv viewers will be BYU viewers (TCU and Boise are good teams, but without Utah the 2nd biggest fan base might actually be UNLV). With the MWC, BYU holds all the bargaining chips right now. They have to act now.

  • Ravenal
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:27 a.m.

    Here's the elephant in the room that no one wants to admit: The MWC is NOT going to get an AQ bid!!!! Face facts people. The BCS will find some reason to continue to exclude them. They need look no further than WY, SDSU, CSU, UNLV, & NM. These 5 drag the conference down and will prevent that AQ bid from happening.

    Utah's departure exposed the MWC for what it is: a good mid-level conference with 3-4 good teams that will ALWAYS be on the outside looking in. BYU wants in to a BCS conference. To do that they have to prove that they are a valuable addition. They cannot do that in the MWC. Going independent could give them more national exposure, attract the attention of the BCS schools and lead to an invite from a bigger conference. It could also be successful to where they like being independent.

  • zambo
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:26 a.m.

    CSU website is reporting that their twitter feed was hacked and this is a false report

  • Cougars --Best Little Brothers
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:25 a.m.


    This move is so logical:
    1) BYU needs to do something now that its main rival in state of Utah, Utes is being added to a major conference --PAC 12
    2) No major conference wants BYU --not BIG-12, not BIG-10, definitely not PAC-12
    3) So, the only move left is to go independent (and good luck in scheduling games with good schools)

  • scott
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:24 a.m.

    No need to make LES a bowl, but adding an upper deck to the east stands could increase seating to around 75,000. The footings are already in place to do that.

    When you have better broadcast facilities and nationwide cable access ON YOUR OWN CAMPUS than you get from your conference, it's time to pull the plug on theMTN.

    ESPN is talking about the possibility of an annual BYU-Notre Dame game and all of BYU's home games being broadcast on ESPN.

    Since ESPN owns a bunch of bowls, a Navy to the Poinsettia Bowl if they're bowl eligible deal could be set up to guarantee the Cougars a bowl in years they don't play in a BCS game.

    Either the Poinsettia or Las Vegas bowl would be great for BYU fans and without having to split the meager payout with the rest of a conference, BYU would probably net more than they would playing in a bowl like the Holiday Bowl.

    Financially, BYU only has to exceed a little over a $1.1 million to break even from what they get from the MWC. Guaranteed, BYU will do much better than that.

  • TRUTH
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:20 a.m.

    I laugh in the faces of Ute Fans who know the only reason they were picked up by the pac 10 was because Texas and a host of others told them "No Way"!

    Could you imagine Utes going independent?

    The difference between the Y and Utes?....The Y could actually pull it off!

    Nice try Utes...enjoy your new life in obscurity and rubbing shoulders with WSU Cougs!

  • cougar76
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:18 a.m.

    Dave S | 8:20 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010
    Why would the third or fourth best team in the MWC think they could possibly compete on a national level by going independent??
    --------------------
    Why not? The historic "third or fourth best team in the MWC" seems to think they can compete on a national level by going to the PAC-whatever. Hope springs eternal.

  • idablu
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:17 a.m.

    BYU needs to have patience and wait 2 years to see if MWC can position themselves in the BCS. There is a really good chance that this year, BSU and TCU will both get BCS bids, adding much pressure to give MWC an automatic qualifier in the future. If it doesn't happen, then go independent. This is a huge gamble. I still don't see where the revenue is going to come from.

  • Skierelmo
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:16 a.m.

    I'm not.trying to be a ute troll, but...... Espn is reporting that part of the deal would involve 6 wac games...... if Nd has to play stanford, usc, mich, pitt, army. Why would they give byu the same deal against lesser competition? If they have to play 6 wac teams it will actually drop the sos, especially after bsu is gone.

    Best of luck with all said endeavors, but you should be required to have better "tradition" games than utah st. and idaho.

  • Cougs4Life
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:15 a.m.

    Three issues:

    1. 9/1 deadline to announce intentions to leave the Conference in 2011
    2. Uncertainty of when Colorado goes to the Pac12
    3. Horrible MWC TV deal (which is really the biggest issue)

    If BYU announces now that they are leaving the conference, then they could accept a Big 12 invitation next summer and pick up Colorado's schedule if they jump to the Pac 12 ...pretty smart to be in a position to do that, if there is any chance that the Big 12 is interested. If they announce intentions to leave after 9/1, then they can't make a move until 2012

    I'm not sure that the Big 12 is interested...so the real issue is the TV deal. BYUs other sports (which, outside of Basketball) only really exist to meet Title IX qualifications, would transition to the WAC so that they could escape the Comcast TV deal.

    MWC would be foolish to let BYU go. Even with TCU and BSU in the fold, they won't get AQ without BYU. Worst case, this forces MWC to re-evaluate the TV deal and possibly allow BYU to broadcast or simulcast and get more exposure.

  • Old Gregg
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:13 a.m.

    @ Otis
    "This is the Lord's University and if BYU wants to go independent then it was the Lord's decision."

    Ya know, in a lot of ways that's true.

  • BP
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:12 a.m.

    BYU won't really take a step back in all other sports by joining the WAC, because all other sports have tournaments that allow the best to play for national championships. Furthermore, the MWC isn't a powerhouse in any other sport (their not a powerhouse in football, but their closer than in the other sports).

    Where does the WAC play its basketball tournament? It would be nice to not play UNLV on its home court every year during the MWC tournament (that has driven me crazy for years!). I'd also like to have access to BYU football games without getting cable (the way it worked from the 1970s until 2005). An ESPN contract would be nice, but I also have concerns about BYU-TV getting the commercial dollars necessary to make it better than the Mtn. (which sounds easy, but may be hard with advertisment restrictions on BYU-TV).

    Could be interesting...

  • GJ
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:10 a.m.

    Why not move to the WCC instead of the WAC? They are a stronger basketball league and don't have football anyway, so being independent in football will work. They are also geographically closer overall with all of the other teams being in California, Oregon, and Washington instead of having to go to Louisiana and Hawaii.

  • SoCalUtahFan
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:09 a.m.


    Congratulations, Cougars!!!

    You just move from MWC (ie AAA mid-major) to WAC(ie AA mid-major).

    Good improvements there, Holmoe!

  • blauch
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:05 a.m.

    It all depends on who BYU gets committed every year. Money will be better if they go Independent.

    Right now they play 3 good schools Every year
    Utah
    Boise State starting
    TCU
    You can trow in Air Force

    If they go independent they will have to already get 6 to 7 schools who will commit to play BYU ever year

    Utah is a Lock
    If they could add Notre Dame
    Oklahoma State
    Boise State
    Oregon or Oregon State

    And then add a couple of Locks
    Utah State is already a lock.
    Maybe Hawaii, UNLV, Air Force, Navy, Army

    They can then still play the occasional 3 other teams.

    I personally think they should wait a year and see if the Mountain will get an automatic BCS bid. But what do I know

  • royalblue
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:05 a.m.

    It's taken a long time to get their, but it's nice to see BYU finally taking destiny into their own hands instead of waiting by the phone for a call that may never come.

    I've been skeptical about the challenges of going independent, but this makes alot of sense.

    Scheduling 5 or 6 games against WAC teams in October and November solves the problem of trying to schedule games during conference season.

    As far as the BCS goes, there's no good reason why the BCS shouldn't include any team that's good enough to finish in the Top 8 in the BCS standings, regardless of whether that team is AQ, non-AQ, or independent.

    ESPN is one of the big players in the BCS, so if they apply a little pressure, that's all it might take to get the BCS on board.

  • Sandpiper Air
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:04 a.m.

    Let's just hope BYU TV doesn't sign Todd Shakespeare Christiansen for their football broadcasts. Going independent would be worth it just so we didn’t have to listen to his color commentary.

  • SportzFan
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:03 a.m.

    And exactly what Bowl would they play in if they didn't make it to the BCS? Most bowls have tie-ins for both opponents.

    What championship would they tout on years they didn't go to the BCS?

    What publications will cover them if they aren't in a conference?

    DON'T DO IT!

  • Rational
    Aug. 18, 2010 10:00 a.m.

    utahcountyute | 9:12 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010
    As long as the right deal is made (TV), I think that this would be great for byu.

    If they can get close to the deal of ND, I would jump on it for sure.
    -------

    Yeah, and If I could've married Jennifer Aniston ten years ago I'd have jumped on that, too.

    BYU is NOT Notre Dame (in stature and following) but they may BECOME Notre Dame (struggling to win) if they go independent.

    Rivalries are important for several reasons, one being that you know how to prepare for your rival. You know their schemes, their coaches, their tendencies. BYU would end up rotating opponents every few years, making preparation more difficult.

    With consistent opponents you can promise kids where they will be playing year after year. You can have a recruiting base. Notre Dame's national recruiting base seems like a good idea, but I'm guessing Texas loves owning Texas, USC loves owning So Cal, Florida loves owning Florida. BYU would own -- Mormons. I don't think this necessarily helps that.

  • Las Vegas BYU BCS Bowl
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:59 a.m.


    For a school that never was good enough to be invited to a BCS bowl, they dare to ask/demand an AQ to BCS?


    ESPN Katz says, "Rival Utah's move to the Pac-10 has given BYU the impetus to seriously explore the possibility of leaving the Mountain West..."

    ie, jealousy!!!

  • jonjon
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:55 a.m.

    I think Money should be the main motivator. If they make significantly less Money by staying in the MWC how is that a good thing. You're Telling me your willing to make less money just so you can play UNLV, SDSU and NM in Basketball? You Guys are Crazy. The More Money you have the better decisions you get to make. With more money you can then bring in UCLA and the AZ schools to play in Basketball. Money is what's kept us from getting better schedules in every sport. We finally can tell these schools that we can broadcast the game nation wide. MWC did this to itself by trying to control everything. Going independent will allow us to spend more money more wisely.

  • Jeff R.
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:54 a.m.

    If BYU goes independant, they will need to renovate LES and increase its capacity to around 75,000-80,000. Make it a bowl and add an upperdeck to the east side stands. You cant tell me that theses games would not sell out if BYU played some high prestiage teams at home. They could strike a deal to keep the rivalry with Utah will renuing the rivalry with the other big indy....Notre Dame. Utah from the Pac-12 against BYU. Just like ND vs Michigan every year. DO IT BYU! YOU HAVE TO!

  • Cougs4Life
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:52 a.m.

    To Dave S.:

    They didn't, they joined the Pac 12 instead!

  • MurrayMike
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:52 a.m.

    Okay;
    My take on a little different football schedule. One being to get Hawaii as much as possible, (trips there are a recruiting bonus for H.S. kids). Don't schedule TCU. You'll play yearly, Army, Navy, Air Force. Also get Notre Dame to play annualy. Utah and Utah State. So a Schedule might look like: (2011)

    Utah St. (nice opening game)
    Utah
    Game to be determined
    Texas
    Air Force
    Oregon St.
    Hawaii
    Nevada
    Fresno State
    Army
    Notre Dame
    Navy

    Maybe 11 wins and a BCS berth...

  • Rational
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:49 a.m.

    hedgehog | 8:31 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010
    Go for it... make yourself even more nationally obscure.

    Oh, and good luck getting a BCS program to travel to Provo in Nov. LOL!

    Nothing more then a desperate dead issue. (BYU is trying to squeeze the MWC for more money)

    ----------

    Never, ever, ever thought I'd agree with hedgehog. (And here I thought I had a life...)

    Independence will be playing home games with patsies, and tough games on the road. There just aren't that many quality programs that will go home and home with BYU, and if there are, they'll only do it for a couple games. No rivalries, no tradition, no BCS guarantee. Short term gain, long term pain.

  • Waylon77
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:47 a.m.

    The main reason that BYU would want to switch its other sports to the WAC would be to get away from the mountain network. The WAC has a contract with espn and any game they don't pick up, can be picked up by local broadcasting. If BYU really can produce the quality tv product they claim they can, they could get a lot more money and exposure by dumping all aspects of the mountain network and broadcasting their own sports.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:43 a.m.

    @ Floyd Johnson 9:14

    what planet do you live on? You need a reality check.

  • coach hines
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:42 a.m.

    here's my take: demolish wac, make a decent 12 team conference with mtn west, (that is, show some tough love by leaving a few out that don't do anything in football or basketball), and stay the course for a automatic qualifying bid....two division sample:

    group 1:
    boise st
    byu
    utah state
    san jose
    nevada
    colorado st

    group 2:
    tcu
    air force
    fresno state
    san diego st
    unlv
    new mexico

    put your own possibilities together....this conference could easily be as good as say a big east....my suggestion is to leave hawaii & lousianna tech for distance reasons, and let new mexico state and idaho and wyoming find there way with some big sky or big west teams...and get back on espn for it is a neccesary evil....

    i personally believe byu could be successful as an independant, but conference championships are worthy goals and great for all athletes as well as football....and might be a quicker road to a bcs game


  • Ravenal
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    It's a Win/Win for BYU. Their first choice is probably to demand the MTN free up the games that are not televised so BYU can broadcast them on their own network. If that doesn't work, then BYU is prepared to go independent in football, a move that they have been considering for several years now. The Utes moving just made it easier since the two schools have always worked together to boost the conference.

  • Brave Sir Robin
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:39 a.m.

    Oh please oh please oh please let this be true. It will be fun watching the egos come crashing back down to earth. Specifically, it will be great to watch all the headscratching when all 14 million LDS Church members don't tune in to BYU's first game on their sparkling new TV network.

    BYU: The Utah State of the 21st century

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    @ SportsFan

    care to enlighten the class as to why this would be a "great move" for football?

  • Dutchman
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:34 a.m.

    First, BYU is not Notre Dame. Notre Dame is actually wanted as a member of other conferences (ie. Big 10), BYU is not. Bowl games are all under contract, so who is BYU going to play as an independent in a bowl game if they don't get into a BCS bowl? Why would the BCS give the same agreement to BYU that Notre Dame has when BYU has never been to a BCS game? And future membership in the Big 12 is not a slam dunk. Texas, Texas A&M, and Missouri are all members of AAU which is the highest level of academic elites in the country same as Cal-Berkley, Stanford, Washington etc. If Cal and Stanford didn't want to associate with BYU what makes people believe Texas and Missouri would? Austin, Texas is just as liberal a place as Berkely, CA.

  • CT98
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:32 a.m.

    BYU just does not have the same following as Notre Dame. They are such a storied franchise in College Football. If the cougs went independent. The team would receive more revenues by directly negotiating with ESPN however the big difference is that is really gives BYU more control, more options, more opportunity to make something of their football season each year. I say DO IT! We really have nothing to lose.

  • JustintimeY
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:30 a.m.

    I hope the Powers at BYU know what they are doing? As fans we have been trying to get the MWC to BCS status and it was looking like a possibility. I have been beating the MWC drum as an out of state fan. The Mountain and Direct TV have been great for out of state fans to see all BYU games. I think going independent is a huge risk and will be a major down grade for other sports to go back to the WAC. They really need to consider the big picture and what will be best for the future of BYU 5, 10 and 15 years down the road. I think going independent is a huge risk even if you get a BCS deal. How many times has Notre Dame been to the BCS in the last 10 years? We all remember the Crowton years and no BYU fan wants a repeat of Football obscurity. This is one fan that is not sure independance is the answer.

  • byronbca
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:28 a.m.

    This move makes so much sense, I can’t think of one good reason why they shouldn’t do this. The MWC TV contract is the least fan friendly in all of college sports, that reason alone is enough for them to leave that Joke of a conference.

    People think that scheduling will be an issue but I have a hard time believing that BYU will have any difficulty filling out their schedule with teams who want to boost their RPI.

  • Aggie84
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:26 a.m.

    The WAC, especially USU does not want to see BYU in their league. Stay were you are at!

  • royalblue
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:26 a.m.

    Finishing Top 8 in the BCS standings would be a challenge, but BYU could do it with a good schedule and one or no losses.

  • MADRYBEG
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:25 a.m.

    While I do think this a decent, if not a great move, I don't understand why BYU would compete in the WAC in all other sports? This is not explained in the article. Does anyone know why BYU would not continue to compete in the MWC in all other sports? The WAC would be a step down in competition, with all due respect to Utah State. Anyone?

  • Idaho.Aggie
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:24 a.m.

    This is great. It show BYU cares about the fans and the local rivalries. They can say hello to ESPN contracts and even arrange a 7 home and 5 away schedules.

  • AFCoug
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:17 a.m.

    The ESPN article sheds a bit more light on this. It states that BYU would play 4-6 WAC teams in football every year. Although many fans will not like this it has worked out pretty good for BSU. The remaining games BYU could also schedule in their favor to include keeping the BYU-Utah and BYU-USU rivalries intact.

    At first blush this looked like a bad idea but it could be beneficial. Even if all BYU can muster is a 2nd tier bowl it still keeps the 1-2 million for itself instead of spliting revenue. If it somehow makes a BCS bowl then all that money comes directly to the Y giving them more money than they make now over a 3-5 year period from bowl games.

    Additionally the ESPN article states BYU is in discussions with ESPN on a TV contract. Being back on ESPN would be huge exposure with games ESPN does not pick up being broadcast on BYU-TV or, heaven forbid, even the free channels (KSL).

  • Alterego
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:15 a.m.

    If this means no more Todd Christensen calls on TV, BYU should go independent regardless of any other consideration. I'll be able to finally watch BYU football without a thesaurus.

  • Floyd Johnson
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:14 a.m.

    Re: Reality Check

    Utah's decision does influence BYU. The MWC as an organization was on track to gain automatic BCS status (with Utah and Boise in the conference, it was guaranteed). All the conference had to do was wait another couple of years. With Utah out, it makes it less likely that the MWC will obtain that status. The question of becoming independent is, therefore, more significant.

    Also with BYU leaving the MWC, it voids the contract with the Mtn Network. BYU could leave for two years and then return without the restrictions of a terrible TV deal.

    The other "impetus" taken into consideration is the Texas independent TV deal. BYU considered that example and realized that they are decades ahead of any other school in regards to independent TV.

    I would like to see BYU TV contract with Texas and the WAC to broadcast games. Texas has the right to broadcast, but they do not have the ability to do so. If BYU TV began broadcasting Texas football and WAC non-football athletics, cash flow would be guaranteed. The LDS Church would be thrilled to see another 10 million people tuning to BYU TV.

  • utahcountyute
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:12 a.m.

    As long as the right deal is made (TV), I think that this would be great for byu.

    If they can get close to the deal of ND, I would jump on it for sure.

    I guess we will see if this is all smoke on Sept 1st.

  • SportsFan
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:07 a.m.

    This will be a great move for football and a lateral move in basketball. The other sports are simply for fun and entertainment, so it's really not a big deal whether BYU is playing Fresno State or TCU in baseball or women's basketball.

  • Gorum The Old
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:07 a.m.

    Scheduling would be my biggest worry. Like the article mentioned, would they be able to get ND type scheduling, or would they be stuck with a Navy type schedule. Lets look at the BCS or ranked teams each of the independents play this year.
    ND:
    1)Purdue
    2)Michigan
    3)Michigan St
    4)Stanford
    5)Boston College
    6)Pitt
    7)Utah
    8)USC

    All high profile teams BYU would love to play.

    Navy:
    1)Maryland
    2)Wake Forest
    3)ND
    4)Duke

    If it was basketball, it would be great. For football, not so much. None of them had winning seasons last year.

    BYU currently has trouble getting home and away matchups with good teams. Lets looks at the BCS teams they've managed home and home games with in the past couple years and who they have on schedule in the future:
    2007: Arizona and UCLA. Both finished with loosing seassons.
    2008: Winless Washington ang 4-8 UCLA
    2009: FSU
    2010: Washington, FSU
    2011-2012: Oregon St.

    I think that they will need at least 2 marquee games against powerfull ranked teams, at least 4 middling to good BCS shools, and then fill out the rest with whoevere.

  • Waylon77
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:06 a.m.

    I think going independant in football would be a good way to preserve the Utah/BYU rivalry game, as well as the BYU/USU game.
    And as an aggie fan I would love to see their basketball team move over to that WAC. We are a lot more competative basketball conference than people give us credit for, and lets face it, the aggies have been a much better rival in basketball for BYU in the past few years than the U has.
    The only thing more fun than fighting it out with BYU every year in basketball would be doing it twice!

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:04 a.m.

    No surprise here, word is coming out that the Colorado State twitter was hacked.

    @ Y Grad/ Y Dad

    You really need some help if you think BYU will ever be bigger than Texas. A venture outside of your mom's basement might do you some good.

  • DEW Cougars
    Aug. 18, 2010 9:00 a.m.

    I don't have the crystal ball here- it is a step back for other sport to go wac. Only ND of Ind. (w/bcs contract) will go bcs if 10-2 but BYU going 12-0 it is more lilely will not be granted w/o contract (if that is how it works). Other Ind. schools are not in the bcs. Yes it would be sweet to see most games on KBYU with HD and Greg Wrubell - mtn is a joke but has been pretty nice to see most games along Greg Wrubell on KSL. The question here who BYU going to face during regular football season - Weber State, E. Wash, Cal Davis, etc - not good!
    Well stay tune if announce. Have fun utah after 2010.

    Go Cougars!

  • the longview
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:59 a.m.

    Sacrificing the 'non-football' sports:

    all the rest of byu sports go downhill with a move to the WAC-- can you picture recruiting basketball, volleyball players to compete in the WAC? Soccer? Track?

    These 'other' sports aren't where the money is, but it is part of what has been impressive about byu sports -- that they are pretty solid in most sports.

  • Old Scarecrow
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:58 a.m.

    It's all about TV, which includes REVENUE and EXPOSURE. BYU can't get the $ and exposure it wants in the MWC. It isn't about Utah at all, except that Utah and BYU had always worked together to improve their positions, which is what led to the creation of the MWC. Now with Utah gone, BYU knows that there is no motivation in the MWC to let BYU maximize its REVENUE and EXPOSURE! Add to that the new TV capabilities that BYU apparently has, and the siren song of change is getting pretty loud. Joining the WAC again would be disappointing, but it sounds more like a warning shot across the MWC's bow.

  • Otis Spurlock
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:57 a.m.

    This is the Lord's University and if BYU wants to go independent then it was the Lord's decision.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:56 a.m.

    “Nice to see that after only about a month, the spotlight is back where it needs to be.”

    Congratulations Fiddler.

    A desperate and delusional scenario with as a titanic size hole in it will keep the spotlight on BYU for ohhh, about 35 minutes. BYU is and will forever be a “mid major” and little brother.

  • BleedinBlue
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    Sounds to me like BYU might be pulling a Texas of the Big 12 trick... Try and Stir up some mud to get themselves some money.
    Get the Mtn channel to re think the contract or they lose BYU, give us more money to stay, or they lose a lot of money with BYU bolting.
    Worked for Texas. No, we arent Texas, but The Mtn West isnt exactly the Big 12 either.

  • Big_Ben
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:55 a.m.

    ESPN is reporting that the MWC tried to sway Fresno and Nevada-reno on tuesday with no luck. Ouch! Well, I think southern utah would be available, lol.

    BYU is smart to try to leave a sinking ship, but they aren't going to get the same BCS treatment ND gets. In fact, ND has become a punchline and will probably be in a conference soon. I just don't think BYU will prosper with this move, unless their ultimate goal is a spot in the Big 12, and they are trying to use this as a stepping stone.

  • CG
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:53 a.m.

    Dave S

    "Why would the third or fourth best team in the MWC think they could possibly compete on a national level..."

    See Utah...

    which has finished 3rd or 4th in the MWC four of the last five years.

  • junkie
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:52 a.m.

    Though the money and exit from the current tv/bowl situation in the MWC is a bonus from this move, that is not the reason BYU will make the move to independence. Wether you agree with the mission of the school or not, it is one thing and one thing only. BYU has athletics not to generate money, but to promote the school, and the Church that runs it. If you re-read all the talk about independence the administration of BYU have made, there isn't a mention of Money. They want visibility for the Mormon Church, thats it. They don't have the #1 broadcasting system for sports, they have it to get their brand out their, and that would be the reason for the jump to Independence, not to get into a BCS bowl.

    I think they do it regardless of what the BCS says, because its not their reason for doing it. Years ago, the church almost eliminated the athletics department because of the bad image it was giving the Church that runs the school.

    As a side note, I think many of you will be surpirsed how well BYU will do if they move.

  • Jonathan Eddy
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    No offense to any other schools, but one thing is certain. BYU will always be more of a leader rather than a follower. Utah made the right decision to go to the Pac 12. The Utah decision gave BYU the chance to gracefully break away to follow their own path. If it happens, BYU would be right to go independent. Utah, indeed is a better fit for the Pac 12. BYU is a better fit as an independent.

  • SLC BYU Fan
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    I think this is a VERY bad idea that could lead to the “nuclear Option” for BYU which is to dismantle the athletic program in Provo the way it was up in Rexburg a decade ago. These have been the options for the BYU athletic program with respects to alignment over the years:
    A: Join the Big-12 or PAC-10 Conference to get better TV revenue and BCS AQ.
    B: Strengthen the MWC to BCS AQ. With Utah now gone that is off the table. Adding Boise State merely perpetuates the status-quo as for league strength and perception.
    C: Go Independent in football or try and broker a deal to remain in the MWC for other sports including men’s basketball.
    D: Do as was done up in Rexburg when Rick’s College became BYU-Idaho and just implode intercollegiate athletics in its entirety.
    If this is just “saber rattling” by BYU then this is understandable. But it isn’t going to be easy getting football OOC contracts with all the major BCS leagues going to 9 and possibly 10 game schedules in the next 2-3 years, especially into October and November.

  • homers
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:50 a.m.

    Staying in the MWC gets BYU Boise State and TCU every year but it also gets them New Mexico, UNLV, CSU, San Diego State, Wyoming along with a non-conference game with Utah State almost every year and that is the problem. Being Independent allows them to upgrade their schedule overall and to avoid having to share broadcast revenue with five or six teams that nobody wants to watch anyway. I don't think its a stretch to say that BYU could replace the five before mentioned teams with better games. The upper half of the schedule could remain the same caliber as it is now - Utah, Washington, Florida State, Nevada and add teams such as either Boise or TCU once in a while. Last year New Mexico was rated 117th, CSU 105th, SDSU 99th, UNLV 91st, Wyoming 72nd - just throw five games in there like Navy, East Carolina, Houston, Fresno State, and Arizona and you have a substantially better schedule already. Utah, Washington, Florida State, Boise or TCU, Nevada, Air Force, Navy, Arizona, Fresno, Utah State,Houston, East Carolina - that's a reasonable expectation, a better schedule, better TV exposure, higher BCS ranking.

  • stanfunky
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:49 a.m.

    People, you are being DUPED!!! This is a story based on a tweet, that is based on a blog, based on rumor and conjecture. Someone is LAUGHING in their parents' basement right now at the story they created.

    1-Why would BYU downgrade their other sports to the WAC? Less money, less exposure, etc.?

    2-Why would they go independent when all evidence to the contrary states it's incredibly difficult in this day and age?

    3-Without a national TV contract, where will they get the money streams to keep their program from bleeding cash every year? Notre Dame wouldn't survive without the NBC deal.

    4-The Naval academy is the best comparison, not Notre Dame. Navy does fairly well and gets a mid-level bowl berth for doing so. That's about what BYU could hope for. The BCS isn't going to include the Y just because they are independent.

  • TrueBlue
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:48 a.m.

    BYU and ESPN have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow.

    Helloooo ESPN!

    Goodbye theMTN and the Las Vegas Invitational!

  • peacemaker
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:40 a.m.

    The Wahington game will be on CBS C.= No TV for the local fans on the Veracity Network (Broadweave), the late "I Provo". Another gift from the mtn (small letters) network, home of the mediocre.
    BYU needs a place where it can best serve BYU and it's millions of fans throughtout the U.S. and in many foreign countries.

  • TYB
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:38 a.m.

    I'm calling bluff. I think they are just trying to get the MTN to give up the exclusive TV broadcasting rights in order to keep them. That way, BYU would be able to broadcast their own games anytime they want and can do it in HD.

  • DocSarvis
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:35 a.m.

    As an Aggie fan, I'm against this. BYU shouldn't receive any special treatment from the WAC, meaning admittance for all sports but football. BYU abandoned the WAC. They helped keep USU out of the MWC, and earlier helped keep USU out of the WAC. BYU would use this as a temporary stepping stone while attempting to gain admission to a BCS conference. BYU would gain from this. The WAC would gain nothing, as I don't believe that the admittance of BYU would make WAC basketball an auto 2 bid conference.

  • ProudRedUtahAlum
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:34 a.m.

    I'm looking at my calendar and checking that it is not April Fools Day. It doesn't appear to be, so I guess BYU is serious. I knew that the Pac-10 invitation to Utah kind of smacked BYU in the chops, but this is a totally ridiculous move, especially at this time. Their is NO WAY that BYU is going to get automatic BCS inclusion like Notre Dame has. And for BYU to think they have a comparable following to Notre Dame is just delusional. They have a MUCH better chance getting to the BCS as a member of the MWC. I do feel bad for every team in the MWC that has to suffer through with the MTN network, but it is better than nothing at this point. The real joke of this is BYU joining the WAC. I guess the MMDS (mid-major down south) really does like to be the big fish in a small pond, which they currently aren't with TCU and BSU in the MWC. I think every team in the MWC understands Utah taking an invite to the Pac-10, but BYU doing this is just...whatever. Good luck zoobs!

  • caleb in new york
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:32 a.m.

    catch 22 -

    If BYU is independent it could get rid of a lot of the weak teams that are yearly on the schedule (WY, NM, UNLV, SDSU) and upgrade for more exciting opponents.

    A big part of the reason BYU typically threatens for a BCS berth is the weak teams that are yearly on the schedule. If BYU upgrades its regular season schedule then there's going to be far fewer years in which BYU gets in to the 10-12 regular season win category which they need to get a BCS berth.

  • Andrew J. Marksen
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Never forget that the LDS Church defines BYU’s mission and role in the world, sports included. BYU has a top broadcasting facility that few universities in this country can match. They have a large national following wherever they go. The MWC will not budge on a crippling television contract that has hurt BYU financially. The WAC has a similar footprint to the MWC so joining that conference is not far fetched. Additionally the WAC will accommodate the Sunday play criteria that BYU needs. Do I think BYU will stay independent (if that is the decision) long term? No but a move towards independence could be a stepping-stone to larger things. I honestly can not imagine the BCS treating BYU exactly the same as Notre Dame. The BCS carved that exemption out specifically to protect ND and its NBC television contract, a contract that could be canceled at anytime by NBC’s new owners.

  • hedgehog
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:31 a.m.

    Go for it... make yourself even more nationally obscure.

    Oh, and good luck getting a BCS program to travel to Provo in Nov. LOL!

    Nothing more then a desperate dead issue. (BYU is trying to squeeze the MWC for more money)

  • ET Bass
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:28 a.m.

    This idea must come from the same genius that got us into the Mtn tv deal...come on boys, say it ain't so! The wac is a major step down!

  • Gorum The Old
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:27 a.m.

    Hopefully they don't move. With the MWC they are garunteed home and aways with 2 perennial ranked teams in TCU and BSU as well as a series of weaker teams that they are "forced" to have on their schedule because they share a conference. In basketball they have play several tournament teams every year because they are in conference. Lasr year BYU played 9 games against tournament teams before the big dance. 7 were against conference foes. Will BYU go out and schedule 7 non conference games against tounament teams every year in basketball?


    Fortunately it sounds like BYU will only go through with it if they get a BCS inclusion clause like ND. They won't so I don't have anything to worry about.

  • John20000
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:27 a.m.

    BYU home football games on cable controlled by BYU. Enough said.

  • ezfisher
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:26 a.m.

    Imagine that. BYU (or any school) trying to do something to make money. I would like to see the school that is trying to have a sports program that doesn't make money. I can see it now, "Gosh. We don't have money for uniforms this year. We will be reusing the helmets and pads from the Provo High School 1955 uniforms." That should boost recruiting.

  • hamaca
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:25 a.m.

    I wonder what type of schedule they'd be able to pull together. I don't see it being similar to Notre Dame's in strength for a few reasons. I wonder if it would facilitate scheduling Utah, if indeed both Universities continue to want that going forward.

    What could be interesting is that for going independent in football to succeed, it may not even be necessary for BYU's schedule strength to be that of Notre Dame's, it may not be necessary for as much revenue to come in as Notre Dame draws (a significant portion of which probably goes to NBC), and they probably don't need nearly the fan base as Notre Dame has.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:23 a.m.

    Sorry it kept giving me the server timed out page when I clicked post comment. Not my fault the web site doesn't work right at 3am. Or maybe the web site is trying to tell me something...

    In response to what isn't done for money, I would just say I think its disappointing that especially a church owned school would dump tradition and the other MWC schools for money especially when seems like it hurts most of the sports.

  • Fiddler
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:21 a.m.

    Nice to see that after only about a month, the spotlight is back where it needs to be.

  • Dave S
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:20 a.m.

    Why would the third or fourth best team in the MWC think they could possibly compete on a national level by going independent??

  • OHBU
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:18 a.m.

    re: wwookie,

    Notre Dame is not struggling at all financially. The thing that would press them into the B10 is the possibility of picking up ANOTHER 10M/Yr. But you'll notice that they haven't joined another conference. They pointed out that the only thing that might make them join is if cfb went to 16-team super conferences--which would include the demise of the BE, where ND's other sports play. And if that happened, the B12 and P10 would be scrambling to add schools to remain viable...a perfect opportunity for BYU to rejoin a conference.

  • Real Bass
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:17 a.m.

    The WAC? Come on BYU, think it over. this is dumber than dirt!

  • Kipp
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    Let's see... BYU comparing itself to Notre Dame. Um, okay, if you don't take into consideration the countless national titles, All-Americans, future NFL Hall of Famers, Legendary Coaches, and Rudy, I could see the angle of the Cougars. But BYU has one national title, one legendary coach (crowton was close) one NFL hall of famer, and a handful of All-Americans. They DO have a coach that views his team as a bunch of Rudys. Good comparison.

  • DC
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:12 a.m.

    Calm down, calm down. This is all dependent upon the BCS giving BYU the same deal Notre Dame has. Not going to happen, so BYU will stay in the MWC.
    This being said, I still think the MWC should look at picking up Fresno State or Houston.

  • UtahBlueDevil
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:06 a.m.

    The MWC is loaded for Bear this football season. I don't think it would be in BYU's best interest to leave. They are one good team away from being a regular power conference in football, the one that mixes things up every year.

    I as a former Ute actually think the U made their ability to reach a title game harder. Financially through revenue sharing they may be better off, but not much more. Now they are just a little more noise in an already very loud conference. They could have stayed and helped make the MWC be the rouge conference that played the spoiler every year.

    BYU needs to stick with the long term plan. I don't think realignment is done, and some good teams could be tempted to join if the MWC draws more attention again. But they do need to get a real tv contract.... another story for another day.

  • Brave Sir Robin
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:05 a.m.

    Oh please please please let this be true....I will enjoy watching the death of BYU sports.

    And moving to the WAC is an interesting way of ensuring that BYU will be more successful. Isn't that kind of like the Charlotte Bobcats leaving the NBA for the ACC because they can't win in the NBA? Here's a new motto: BYU - Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations.

    And BYU fans, you just forever lost ability to play the "Utah cares what we do, but we don't care about what Utah does" card. Your administration's reaction to Utah's move to the PAC proves once and forever that you live in Utah's shadow and all you have the ability to do is react to Utah's moves.

  • BlueCoug
    Aug. 18, 2010 8:03 a.m.

    BYU is certainly no Notre Dame, but, following the Notre Dame model, independent in football and a member of the Big East in all other sports could work.

    Like Notre Dame, BYU would need to lock in some annual opponents. There are many teams in both the MWC and WAC who would be interested in scheduling BYU on an annual basis, including, of course Utah.

    Throw in a couple of PAC 10 and Big 12 opponents and a game or two with teams in the east.

    The two biggest hurdles are:

    Getting automatic access to the BCS by finishing in the Top 8 in the BCS standings.

    Scheduling games in October and November by scheduling 4 or 5 games with WAC teams and playing the Utah game in late November.

    Possible schedule:

    Utah
    Utah State
    Oregon State
    Oklahoma State
    TCU
    Fresno State
    Nevada
    San Jose State
    Hawaii
    Notre Dame
    San Diego State
    UNLV

    With BYU, Utah State, Fresno State, Nevada and New Mexico State in the WAC, the WAC could become just as strong or stronger than the MWC.

    ESPN might be interested in televising all BYU home games.

    It'll be interesting to see the details.

  • Dave S
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:57 a.m.

    Re: Blue Saint,

    You have got to be kidding me!! I think it's time for a little dose of reality for you. You can't possibly believe this will be "the biggest college football news this year". Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

  • plyxply
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:55 a.m.

    I think a move out of the MWC is a good move, whether it's moving into the WAC or as an indy simply because of the terrible tv contract the MWC has saddled them with.
    I don't think it would hurt BYU at all from a competitive standpoint and at least they could get some national coverage. If they move to the WAC they would have a decent shot every year (as did Boise St) of getting a bcs bid as well.

  • Madden
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:53 a.m.

    BYU really wants in the Big 12, and I think they would be a good fit and be profitable for that league. They won't win the league often, but that is the BCS issue right...do you prefer being good in a BCS conference, or top dog in a smaller one?

    The big point is this: Independence is likely the best way to show the Big 12 the kind of $$$ BYU could bring to the table.

    Despite BYU's shortcomings, they beat teams like Utah and Oregon State on their way to a #12 ranking last year and that is pretty typical. BYU is no Notre Dame historically, but few schools are. BYU consistently wins against good (incl. top 25) teams, and loses to some too. BYU is ranked in the top 25 year after year. Reality says they will continue to be pretty good whether they stay in the MWC or go independent.

  • RealityCheck
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:47 a.m.

    "Rival Utah's move to the Pac-10 has given BYU the impetus to seriously explore the possibility of leaving the Mountain West"

    Why is BYU's future contingent on what Utah has decided to do? If BYU is the national / international power that its fan base advertises, then Utah's actions should have little to no effect upon BYU.

    In reality, this reeks of being a knee-jerk reaction to Utah's move. Is this really in the school's best interests? How do all of the other programs feel about getting downgraded to the WAC, playing the likes of Louisiana Tech and New Mexico State? I'm sure coach Dave Rose will be just "thrilled" about this.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:46 a.m.

    Oh, this is fun!

    It is fair to a degree to say that it is all about money, but only to the degree that the money buys exposure.

    Is it because of envy (or whatever) relating to the U move? Only as it relates to exposure (IMHO). The church is constantly looking at ways to get greater positive national exposure.

    This COULD garner that for football. It COULD come at the expense of exposure in other sports.

    It seems to me, my reading of the tea leaves, that the MWC says "we all sink or swim together," and the WAC says "you can do whatever you want if you come play in our sandbox."

    And BYU sets out to try to create the next best thing to the U-Texas network. Or maybe better.

    Because if you start with a backbone of all possible programming on KBYU, then take an open offer from KSL to purchase programming, and the hope that ESPN and others will purchase increasing amounts of sports production, you get the money AND the exposure.

    Some fun, huh?

    In times of profound change, learners will inherit the earth. Learning is not a passive experience.

  • jazzbball
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:41 a.m.

    Hey look, it's Uteology! Be sure to take his opinion serious. He's not biased at all guys. Nope, he's right on the fence and frankly, should really be a sports reporter with that unbiased attitude of his.

  • Ernest T. Bass
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:37 a.m.

    Notre Dame has made BCS bowls with 2 or 3 losses. Does byu really expect to be invited to a BCS bowl unless they're indefeated?
    They cannot be serious about that can they?
    If this happens, this will be great.
    LOL @ boise state.
    The MWC should quickly invite USU. Better option anyway.

  • Disappointing
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:34 a.m.

    @bluesaint

    "something tells me this will be the biggest college football news this year"

    Are you serious?! Do you live in a cave?!

    I was watching sportscenter this morning and this story was a short one time blip on the bottom line.

    every single sec game this year will be bigger than this story. That is why BYU shouldn't go independent. No one besides members of the lds church and utah residents cares about BYU.

    I think this would be a bad move. If this happens I can see 10 years from now looking on back on this summer and it being the defining moment in the decline of BYU's program. Utah to PAC 12, and BYU after five years of trying in futility to be a successful independent, will be forced to Join the WAC.

    There's no way BYU does this. They will not get any recognition from the BCS and they just don't have the clout to be a successful independent.

    Look at Notre Dame, they are thinking about joining a new conference and they are freaking Notre Dame. If it didn't work for them, it won't work for BYU!

  • Please Clarify
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:34 a.m.

    BYU is a BCS caliber school trapped in a mid-major conference, just like my Utes until next year. If they can do it financially, it makes sense. My big question isn't necessarily the BCS access, but if the BYU TV folks can draw the advertising dollars to make it profitable. I would also worry about their access to bowls since only the smaller bowls wind up scrambling for eligible teams. As an independent with no conference tie-ins, the Y might have a hard time getting into a bowl that is worth it to them. Even Notre Dame sat out last year because it didn't pay out enough.

  • Esquire
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:32 a.m.

    If true, this would be HUGE mistake.

  • jazzbball
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:31 a.m.

    If they come to an arrangement with ESPN to broadcast several of their games (which they undoubtedly would), and get that top 8 guarantee, BYU will have hit a home run. Let's be honest: they're in it for the football. Who cares with hoops on WAC or MWC? You could argue they now have an EASIER path to the tourney which is all that matters in hoops. In football, if they can get a Notre Dame-type inclusion, no brainer.
    BYU has the money, following, and facilities to make this work. Are they Notre Dame? No. But are they big enough in football to make this work successfully and be in a BCS bowl hunt yearly? Yep. National Title game would also be an option with a perfect record. Again, if ESPN is in the mix, this is a home run.

  • liv4cougs
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:26 a.m.

    What does the MWC actually give BYU, except an opponent (1/2 the time, a bad one) every week? The TV deal stinks, the Bowl deal stinks, and you'll never get respect as long as you're playing unlv,sdsu,wyo and unm. Play one or two, but all? Even if BYU doesn't go flying into a BCS game, your bowl deal and tv revenue ALL comes to BYU. Now, its stripped and bled until there are peanuts left. BYU will be attractive for ESPN and bowl games, especially in the west, imagine all that coming straight in.

    I love that BYU is at least exploring option, and can admit that All ISN'T well in Provo.

  • RobSing
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:25 a.m.

    Of course it's a money move, which I hate to break to you, is what college sports is all about. So all of you BYU fans who cried that Utah "sold out" by going to the pac 10 are going to have to either eat your words or come up with some fantastic excuses on why it was ok for BYU to do but not Utah!

  • GuitarGuy
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:23 a.m.

    The other sports won't remain in the Mountain West because of the new tv contract that they're about to sign with ESPN (bye bye, "The Mtn").

    At least, that's what it appears they're about to do.

  • Disco Vega
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:21 a.m.

    Who cares? The cougs need to come to terms with the fact they are insignificant, a flash in the pan; we have all moved on to bigger and better things. Go Utes!

  • George is STILL running!
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:13 a.m.

    Yeah, there is a reason for money... but also, why not go independent and get an auto BCS berth (if possible). Yeah scheduling will be hard, but I bet you could pull a... I hate to say it... Boise State and schedule a couple hard teams, then the rest weaker teams and get in the top 8 (if that is the required rank) and make the BCS.
    Also think that it is also opening doors for more BYU in more places with BYU's national TV station. It would help with recruits, money, and exposure. Instead of being on the weak MWC channel, you could have your own channel where you get every single penny of earnings and you get to nation wide/even worldwide.
    On the opening doors subject, it could also open the door to be grabbed by a BCS conference, especially if they get a BCS bowl and they start getting a lot of exposure.
    I don't know, that is just my thoughts on it.

  • jackstraw
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:13 a.m.

    RE: Tron527.

    My guess is that the MWC will not let them go independent in football and keep other sports in the MWC. The WAC will allow them to do this until the BIG 12 invite comes.

  • carman
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:11 a.m.

    Good on the Cougs. It's time they position themselves to get to the next level. Hanging around the MWC has gotten them nowhere.

  • Utah'95
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:06 a.m.

    Would BYU get the same treatment as Notre Dame, "If it met the same criteria that Notre Dame does to be included in BCS games?" Do you mean, "Can we get a BCS Bowl invite if we go 10-2 like the Irish can?" That's a big "No."

    Notre Dame is powerful because they have a HUGE fan base. While BYU has a large following of very devoted fans, it can't hold the candle to Notre Dame in that regard.

    The MWC is better than the WAC in the "other" sports also. Such a move would be a step down for BYU.

    Having the capability to broadcast in HD is nice, but it wouldn't add very many fans. The same people who currently watch BYU sports would enjoy the high-def look of the event. But, there aren't many non-BYU fans who would surf past several other games broadcast in high-def that feature more well-known teams just to stop at KBYU to see who the Cougars are playing.

    Bottom line - if being independent is so desirable, why are there only 3 division I football teams that are independent?

  • Laser
    Aug. 18, 2010 7:00 a.m.

    I would love this move. I personally think it will allow BYU to demonstrate how much money they can actually generate on their own without having to share with the rest of the league and how big their national audience really is. It will be too much for the big-12 to ignore and that invitation will be right around the corner. Plus it will neutralize Utah recruiting advantage in football.



  • ARJ
    Aug. 18, 2010 6:46 a.m.

    The TV deal they have with the MWC is a joke and they have to do something. There are very few schools in the nation that can go independent and be succesful at it. I think BYU has what they need to be successful going independent and I hope it works for them.

    E=M everything equals money. Money drives all decisions, is it right no but that is how it is. They can not stay and be left behind.

  • Jarobusa
    Aug. 18, 2010 6:44 a.m.

    BYU has been thinking of going independent for years. I hope they go independent. The Mtn is the worst TV agreement in history.

  • carsonriver
    Aug. 18, 2010 6:39 a.m.

    It sounds like a good plan. BYU just may be able to pull it off!

  • defibman
    Aug. 18, 2010 6:14 a.m.

    Hey Kyle, quit hitting the "Add your comment" button! Also this whole situation is not about your feelings. We all couldn't care less about how this affects YOU. This is about what is best for BYU. For your info they have been looking at going independent for many years. There have been many things going on with talks on changes for a long, long time. When all the dust settles, you will see what really happened. This really has nothing to do with the Ute program and/or the MWC. BYU is going to do what is best for BYU, the same as any other school will do.

  • OnlyInUtah
    Aug. 18, 2010 6:13 a.m.

    I think we've heard from Kyle on this one.

  • Cougar Blue
    Aug. 18, 2010 6:04 a.m.

    Boy, they'd better rethink this little scenario. All I can say, is bad, bad, bad.

  • The Big One
    Aug. 18, 2010 6:00 a.m.

    And Kyle what isn't done for money?

  • livestrong
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:50 a.m.

    I too worry about this impact on other sports, especially basketball. Besides USU, the WAC is pathetic in basketball, and beyond pathetic in every other sport. Couldn't the Cougs get into the Big 12 or something for other sports? Watching our track and field teams, and soccer teams, and so on demolish the WAC competition won't even be entertaining.

    As far as football goes, this could or could not be a good idea. I think it hinges on whether the MWC would really get an AQ bid or not in another two years.

  • Maren
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:46 a.m.

    They would move to the WAC because the MWC TV contract restricts conference schools. In essence, all home games are covered by the MTN contract and the schools have not been allowed to broadcast the game, even if the MTN has chosen not to cover it. This has really frustrated BYU, which has wanted to broadcast their home games not shown on the MTN.

    WAC schools are free to broadcast all games that ESPN does not choose to pick up, freeing BYU to once again broadcast the vast majority of their games.

  • wwookie
    Aug. 18, 2010 5:15 a.m.

    If the cougs make this move, it would be hilarious. BYU officials must really be arrogant to think they can make this work when even the most storied program of all of college football, with the backing of the catholic church (I'm talking Notre Dame) is struggling and will probably end up in a conference in the next few years.

    Good luck with this one. Atleast you won't have to worry about drawing in too many recruits who are seriously thinking of trying for the NFL.

  • Uteology
    Aug. 18, 2010 4:58 a.m.

    If these rumors are like the Big 12 invite then there is no story.

    The question indeed is do they get treated like Navy or Notre Dame by the BcS by going Independent?

    I can't imagine a team for which the BcS was created due to will be treated as an equal specially since TCU and Boise are the best mid-majors remaining.

    Regardless I wish them luck it will be really interesting next year if they do.

  • BlueSaint
    Aug. 18, 2010 4:20 a.m.

    If the BCS guarantees a spot, then it's a definite YES! BYU is more than ready to make a move. No other program besides Notre Dame is more prepared than BYU to go Independent. Something tells me that this will be the biggest college football news this year. BYU might even be lucky enough to strike a deal with ESPN, seeing that some of their highest rated games in their history are BYU games.

    This is exciting! Having the PAC-NON settle for the clowns was just the eye opening jab that BYU needed. Being the unique University that it is, BYU will not get the invite from these so called elite conferences. They need to take their destiny into their own hands. Going independent is the first and biggest step!

    GO COUGARS!

  • football43
    Aug. 18, 2010 4:18 a.m.

    Wow, this will give us something to talk about besides who is going to be the next QB in Provo.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    Aug. 18, 2010 3:29 a.m.

    It seems like they are doing this just for $$$ and to react to the Utes going to PAC. I hate doing things for money and that's why I hate the BCS so much. I can't imagine they do this unless they are sure the MWC won't become and automatic qualifier.

    I like college basketball almost as much as football so for me this isn't a great move. USU and Nevada are all right, but it seems like a step back for all the other sports besides football. Maybe its a way to try and get into the Big 12. I just hope they know what they are doing.

    In all honesty it seems like nothing more than rumors to me.

  • Kyle loves BYU/Jazz
    Aug. 18, 2010 3:21 a.m.

    If they do go independent it seems they are selling out and doing it as a reaction to Utah, at least to me. The main reason to do this would be for $$$ and I hate it when $ motivate decisions. That's why the BCS is so ridiculous.

    It would be nice to have games on BYUTV in HD instead of on MTN CBSC and Versus all the time. I hope they have some bowls that are interested as well.

    I like college basketball almost as much as football so for me this isn't a great move. USU and Nevada are all right, but it seems like a step back for all the other sports. Maybe its a way to try and get into the Big 12. I just hope they know what they are doing.

    In all honesty it seems like nothing more than rumors to me.

  • tron527
    Aug. 18, 2010 3:12 a.m.

    Why would BYU leave the MWC for other sports if it went independent in football? Would the MWC force out the other sports if football left?