Sources say that all sports except football will compete in the WAC
BYU is doing what any spoiled rich kid who is not as liked as he thinks he is is
dong. Simply put, taking their ball and going home because they are not getting
what they want.Yesterday, 1280 rightly pointed out thatScheduling is
the key. So, the zoobs could get; USU, Hawaii, Fresno, San Diego St, NV-Reno, &
UNLV. May be Utah and Boise. Where then would they get another 4 to 6 games?Other PAC schools seem unlikely as does anyone from the Texas/OU
conference. BYU likes filling up on cupcakes.... calling Bo Tiddly Tech, Western
Nebraska A & I, Bertha's school of cosmetology, etc...?
This will be the biggest bust in college athletics in the last 50 years, coming
in slightly below SMU’s 2 year “football death penalty” for
massive, systemic, and ongoing cheating in 1985.Who is going to want
to play BYU as an independent? Especially at BYU’s home stadium? What
bowl games will want BYU as an independent without a supporting conference and
the built-in viewership they help provide? More telling, which schools would
BYU, as an independent, seek to schedule football games against? Which teams
from the WAC will comprise the four annual football opponents for BYU as an
“independent”? BSU (if they stay ), Hawaii, Utah State, and Fresno?
Will BYU have to agree to play the teams like Idaho, New Mexico State, LA Tech,
and San Jose State on a regular basis so they don’t feel left out?
Wouldn’t one accidental loss to a team like New Mexico State automatically
cancel out any benefit that BYU, as an “independent” would’ve
gained from beating BCS schools like Michigan, Illinois, Arkansas, and Texas
during any given season?
So . . . does going "mid-major" independent make our quarterback controversy go
Good call Cougars.BYU football has never been just about winning, or
money, or prestige. So this makes perfect sense for a team that gets the shaft
no matter which conference they're in. At least this way they are in the
driver's seat when it comes to scheduling and broadcast rights.And
if New Mexico fans want to act like jerks, they don't have to play them again.
And since UNLV always gets home court advantage in the MWC tourney, maybe BYU
can host one of their own.Hey Aztecs, turn off the lights when you
Hmmmmm. BYU leaves the MWC penalty-free, yet had a hand in urging WAC schools to
agree to a penalty for leaving that conference? All so BYU could find a "soft
landing" in the WAC for non-football sports? Sounds a little hypocritical. Maybe
I like he sound of it...........WAC-Cats.Anyway.....Who
hedgehog | 4:22 p.m. Aug. 18, 2010 Chris Hill would have been fired for
such a desperate move. I'm sure Mr. Hill is ROFL as we speak. Question is what will Mr. Hill's reaction be when the yewts struggle to
break .500 in basketball and become a medocre pac-12 team in football?
BYU vs Notre Dame every year would be great. I'm sure BYU would make far more
money with its own ESPN deals and BYUTV than it would splitting its Mtn. TV
money with the other MWC schools. As far as football goes it makes perfect
sense. The big question is BCS or future football playoffs. How will they be
included in those?
Good solid move for BYU, its a no-brainer really when u consider the revenue
gain and national exposure on tv. And if they dont get AQ status right away, its
at least a huge step closer to it. As far as joining the WAC in basketball, does
it really make much of difference whether you play in the MWC or WAC? Not
really as long as you win 20 plus games or win the conference tournament your
gonna get into the big dance. Also when you consider how much more national
exposure byu will get in basketball with a new tv deal they are better off in
the long run. One other thing, with the possibility of other MWC teams joining
the WAC, the WAC will likely become alot stronger then the MWC anyway.
Bottomline is BYU is doing what is for the better of the school and their
program and independence is the way to go for now at least.
Perhaps this is ALL about getting the MWC to give them the "TEXAS DEAL" and
allow them to have their own network as incentive to remain in the MWC. Just a
The "target" that you zoobs have said is on the backs of the Utes is squarely
back on you own backs!! Good luck "rebuilding" this year!Looks like
you will be playing Mt. St. Marys next season for basketball conference
supremacy. The WAC will not be there!!Utes still smelling like
Until recently the utes could never compete in modern day football and when they
did it was only 2 years at that. History support this claim. They will be
exposed again in due time.
WAC!! HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HA HA HA
HAGo Utes! Go Crimson!!
It's actually fun to see this BYU blog being overrun by jealous Utah trolls.Just further proof that Utah fans are totally obsessed with BYU.
@PAC12...Will they also start the Provo Bowl?...Yes. It is
called Provo Blue Celery Soup Bowl --ie Provo BCS Bowl
Thank you, Chris Hill and Kyle for delivering PAC-12/AQ BCS to us.Thank you, Holmoe and Broco for taking BYU to the WAC --you're now where
you belong all this timehahaha!It's good to be a Utes!!!Is it too sad to be a Cougar today, guys?
jazzbball | 7:31 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010But are they big enough in football to
make this work successfully and be in a BCS bowl hunt yearly? Yep.----------When was the only time they were in the BCS hunt?
Tic....tic...tic... Thu, Oct 16 @TCU L 32-7.So how are they going to
be in the "BCS hunt yearly"? Unless that is... IF BYU
plays stronger SOS andIF they get the "Notre Dame exception" and IF they beat non ranked MWC teams (not yet under Bronco) andIF they get ranked in the top 8 (haven't finished in the top 10 since 1996)
orIF they go undefeated (not since 2984) would they be in the "BCS
bowl hunt" yearly.Sounds like wishful thinking. They're
better off waiting for the Big-12 invite. Now if they are doing it
for the exposure and more money then its a great move.
Chris Hill would never have had the resources, credibility, or support of ESPN
to pull of this move...you're right, he would have been fired.
The BYU/Utah rivalry game should be scheduled like USC/Notre Dame; That is, late
in the year.
BTW for those banking on the LDS membership for a deal like Notre Dame.In the US 68 million Catholics and 5.9 million Mormons. I know you will say
not all Catholics are ND fans, but not all Mormons are BYU fans. The math just
doesn't work out. Outside of the west coast and intermountain, not enough eyes
for a primetime TV contract or BCS status like ND.
This is a dumb move. So if BYU doesn't get a BCS deal like ND (which
WILL NOT happen).... What bowl games are they even eligible for with most
already having conference affiliations?Will they also start the
Chris Hill would have been fired for such a desperate move. I'm sure
Mr. Hill is ROFL as we speak.
If this happens, the MWC and WAC will merge...Also @Big Ben...ESPN
continues to have interest in BYU in 2010. This year they picked up the BYU @
USU game for a nationally televised event based on their WAC contract...I'm sure
it's because of all of the excitement about the Aggies possible run to a BCS
game? Riiiiight.BTW, did ESPN pick up and televise the Utes last
visit to Logan? Oh...they didn't...that riiiiight too.
I heard today that Karl Benson from the WAC made all of the teams sign a 5
million dollar out fine for any of the teams to leave the WAC. So there will be
no teams jumping from the WAC to the MWC. They have predicted that teams will
start leaving the MWC. Boise St. has already talked about going back to the WAC.
TCU is rumored to go to Conference USA, thus leaving not enough teams for the
MWC to survive. They need 8 teams to be a conference in division 1. The rest of
the MWC teams would all then probably re-join the WAC. Karl Benson from the WAC
is a very happy man today! He also told BYU that he would happily take all the
rest of BYU sports into the WAC. This is a great deal for BYU! The MWC lost
their almost AQ bid to the BCS when Utah left. Yes that is a fact! Tom Holmoe
could see the writing on the wall, and has been working feverishly to complete
this new deal. Yes, ESPN will again contract with BYU, making it an even bigger
deal for the Y. Go Cougars!
@panamadesnewsisn't it past your bedtime? I think its time to go
for a nap.
This a superb move by BYU if all is true. Take a look at BYU's assets. 1.) BYU
TV which has been seriously upgraded and now offers HD to over 80 million
households world wide 2.) Huge fan base no matter where they play 3.) National
prominance in recruiting both LDS and non LDS alike. The best
thing to come out of this move to independance is BYU finally getting out of
that horrible TV deal with the Mnt. It has limited reach and you need VS. and
CBS-College just to get half of what ESPN pulls in. BYU would also strike a deal
with ESPN and perhaps ABC or NBC that could broadcast BYU home games. BYU would
get to keep all the revenue from TV deals and bowl bids. So how is this not a
great idea? BYU is one of the very few colleges that could pull this off. Great
news for the University and this should have been done months agao
Tomorrow could be an historic day for BYU football. With the
flexibility the WAC is providing for scheduling, BYU will be able to put
together a great schedule of high profile and best of WAC/MWC opponents.It'll be interesting to see how many other MWC teams will follow BYU to
the WAC and whether Boise State will decide to back out of their MWC
@ ImaCaMan 11:28 amat least in 2001 and 2009. threaten is a
subjective term. I will refrain from asking about your comment as to how
receiving money for someone else's accomplishments is comparable to receiving an
actual berth to the BCS, because apparently you didn't make the comparison to
add anything substantive to the discussion and instead your comparison was an
attempt at humor.
truetoU:You will see by season's end that the U has made a huge
mistake. Not only is the U in over its head, but it gives the Y the opportunity
it needs to get out of a BAD tv contract that the MWC has in place. In time,
you will see that this is an excellent move for the Y, who will cruise and never
look back. We will see who envys who!
Now I'll be able to cheer for the Utes in the LV Bowl!! They won't be playing
my alma mater.
"I have always read in the Dnews that BYU has a hard time scheduling
schools."True, but they've scheduled Oklahoma, Texas and Oregon
State all in the last couple of years.Hard, yes.Impossible, no.And, with their independent status, BYU's schedule
will be much more flexible for scheduling, so this may actually make it easier
to schedule other quality teams.
Finally all BYU home events on BYUTV worldwide via satelite and internet!
Awesome.No need for an ESPN TV contract. BYUTV is already in most
everyone's home online, Dish, DirecTV, or cable.The away games will
be dependent on their host teams' TV deals.Great news to finally see
BYU football again. They disappeared years ago with theMtn...After
years of not seeing BYU Football. Hopefully, they can arrange for the voice of
the Cougars, Greg Wrubell. He's all we've had out here, to listen to on-line
with no video..
@Big BenThe 90's, and well last year also....ESPN is,
and always has been interested in broadcasting BYU football.Utah got
a great deal this year. They worked for it and they are a great fit for their
new conference. If Utah had not left, BYU would not seriously consider moving
this year. With Boise, Utah, TCU, BYU in the same conference, the Mountain West
would have obtained BCS automatic qualifier status. Without all of those teams,
the prospect becomes significantly less likely.A move to
independence in Football provides an opportunity for BYU to significantly
increase it's television exposure. Unlike any other school in the country, BYU
already has the network available. They just need the rights to broadcast on it.
Even if BYU becomes independent, it may be a temporary situation while they seek
I have always read in the Dnews that BYU has a hard time scheduling schools. How
will this possibly work for them. Good Luck with that one.
Disco Vegas -- Your comment makes you relevant?
@ Floydplease read my post above. If BYU bolts, Boise will also.
ESPN will have their darlings. And yes, Espn might have gone after BYU, in the
mid 90's. checking my calendar, we are currently in the year 2010.
Utah: Pac-12, MajorBYU: WAC, AA Mid-majorWOW, good
BYU/LaVell dumped ESPN because of the 7:00 PM Thursday night take it or leave it
time slot.ESPN will forget getting dumped?Who knows?At this point, however, almost anything would be better than the current
While I think it would be fun to see BYU's schedule were they independent in
football, I think it would be unwise to do so. If the MWC can keep BSU, TCU and
BYU together, then extend out an invite to Houston or Tulsa, they could make a
serious run for an AQ BCS bid.This is not a knock at the Y, but
there is NO WAY BYU gets the same deal as Notre Dame does, with regards to being
an independent in the BCS.
Cougs, tip of the cap for jumping ship with the MWC. My only beef with most
posters here is the delusional numbers game that BYU fans like to throw out
there when it comes to their actual fanbase, and how that will translate to TV
ratings, etc.Membership in the LDS Church does not lead to blind fan
obedience when it comes to cheering on the Cougs.
@ImaCaManUtah ---> Pac 12BYU ---> WACthat's
all there is to it.The best BYU can come up to answer Utah's move to
Pac-12 is the WAC.Chris Hill is laughing so hard up that hill.Kyle
is loving it.
NBA Draft picks for the last 10 yearsMWC:8WAC:13Wow, the Mountain West has so much more talent than the WAC. Why would BYU
ever allow themselves to play in the lowly WAC?!
Please do not compare BYU to ND — you sound like a fool.Notre
Dame has National rivalries already baked into their schedule. USC, Michigan,
Mich St. and Purdue are all long time rivals they play ever year.What National rival does BYU have? Unfortunately for BYU, no real
BCS power has any interest in forming a rivalry — especially if that means
playing in Provo.
@Disco Vegas:YOU are the "flash in the pan" DUDE - what planet do
you live on anyway - oh, I know, po-dunk SLC.This is a "knee jerk"
reaction to Utah going to the PAC-10?? You are all a bunch of nit wits.
Re: Big_Ben Boise is not the ESPN "darling." With Boise joining the
MWC, ESPN has lost all broadcast rights to them. Last year's opener was not the
first game ESPN set up for BYU. ESPN often approached BYU about playing in the
season opening Pig Skin Classic games. ESPN has, and has always had, an interest
in broadcasting BYU football.I am curious to know how Boise and TCU
would respond to losing both Utah and BYU from the Mountain West.By
leaving the conference and the Mtn. Network, BYU positions itself for better
national exposure. That will appeal to the LDS Church and the mission of the
school.My best estimate for this actually happening, less than 50%.
It is more likely that this process will result in a modified TV broadcast
arangement for BYU, but not the rest of the conference. It sure is fun to talk
Joining WAC is a big step up for BYU.Way to go, TDS!
To all the BYU-obsessed Ute fans who think this is a "Knee-jerk reaction by BYU
to Utah's going to the Pac 10":Let's set your BYU fixation aside for
a moment and look at the big picture.Since the first disastrous
season of the Mtn. network, BYU has been planning and building a state of the
art High Def Broadcasting facility along with the only mobile HD Broadcasting
unit in the west. They didn't start this when Utah announced their Pac 10 plans.
In March 2009 the Church hired Mark H. Willes as CEO of Deseret
Management Corp (holding company for KSL, Bonneville Intl, Deseret Digital
Media, Deseret News, etc). He's a major fortune 500 heavyweight with an
impressive background in communications.They have methodically been
putting the pieces together for years to regain control of broadcasting their
own product. This means getting out of the Mtn. contract by whatever means
necessary. Independence is just one option.
So...to sum it up...Big-12 did not invite BYU.Conf-USA did not
invite BYU.WAC did invite BYU and BYU will say yes.
@itsajelly and Cougs4LifeIf Byu bolts, Boise will be right back in
the WAC and ESPN will continue to have their darlings. BYU would be very wise
to make sure they have a TV deal in place.And itsajelly, how many
people across the nation would watch BYU? There are about 7 million LDS across
the country. Throw about at least 4 million as being inactive, of the rest, you
can probably take a third, meaning a million BYU fans. Most of whcih are here
in Utah. Having lived in Texas, we used to go to the church to
watch BYU games on satellite. There about 4 of us. I think you overestimate
the national appeal.
Re: Caleb in NY"BYU typically threatens for a BCS berth". Boy, that
sure strikes fear in other BCS schools and promotes national significance.When has BYU ever "threatened" for a BCS berth? Whatever that means
anyway. The closest BYU has ever gotten to a BCS berth is receiving the money
they get from Utah's achievements.Utah ---> Pac 12BYU
---> WAC ha!
Is Texas going to the Pac 10?
Big Ben: ESPN's darling Boise St. will no longer be relevant to ESPN as they
will never broadcast one of their games again after this year because they were
foolish enough to jump into the MWC ridiculous TV package. Now they are the
Versus, CBCC, MWC, darlings. ESPN would/did snatch byu up in a heartbeat for
their national support. All time zones, all zip codes. Utes not to be outdone
bring the area between state and I 15. Sweet.
" coyote120 | 11:00 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010BYU may have a issue getting into a
bowl in the first year or two but in the long term it should not be an issue for
them as bowl contracts expire."You just reminded me that the Vegas
bowl has the first choice of teams in the Mtn West. I remember an article a
couple of years back that said they could pass on a team from the conference
altogether. If that is true, then BYU could end up there for a year or two
until they work out a better deal or get a BCS bowl.
It seems that those who so willing to see Utah leave the MWC are not willing to
see BYU get a better deal than they have now. I am confident that BYU has some
of the brightest people they can find working on this. Is it a risk? Is anything
worthwhile in life a risk?Utah and BYU were the backbone of the MWC until
TCU became prominent. BYU and Utah were essentially the backbone of the WAC.If they do take the risk, I am rooting for them to be successful.Those
who don't are bitter and or have an axe to grind. Unless, watching ten hours of
TV from their mother's basement couch has clouded their perception also.
@ Big_BenUnfortunately...next year Boise State will be relegated to
"the mtn." and ESPN won't have access any more. If anyone loses the
most from this scenario, it is probably the Bronco's. MWC won't get AQ, stuck
on "the mtn."...ulitmately MWC crumbles without BYU and Utah. Who will really
watch "the mtn." after the Cougs and Utes leave?
This is so funny. BYU fans saying "they really should think about this before
they do it." and Utah fans saying "this is all about us leaving." What is being
overlooked is that this has been in BYU's plans a long time. long before the
Utes became the red jerseyed step child of the Pac 10.5. The broadcasting
facility and capabilities were put in place for a reason. Nationally recognized
broadcasters were hired weeks ago (not released yet) to cover BYU athletics.
(They were not hired to broadcast track and field or womens soccer.) Football.
This is a posture to be prepared to join the Big 10 when the time comes, that is
all. It is not a plan to go independent forever. It is to get out from the
ridiculous MWC and it's lack of exposure and be ready to move in the next couple
of years. Stop worrying and let the chips fall where and when they may. Very
exciting day in BYU athletic history.
@coug83Im guessing that was an attempt at sarcasm?
I think this could be a good thing but I think it may be the first step to
eliminating sports at the mother ship BYU school like Ricks did.Peel
the onion and look at the direction LDS CES has been going... Youth, College and
ADULT education are the important areas.I hope BYU can go indie but
logistically is it possible? Are they doing it to play Utah and keep the
rivalry going? Do teams want to play BYU? A rivalry with Notre Dame
would be Awesome and I would go to the games in Provo.Good Luck.
Does anyone else think BYU's potential independence might force Air Force to
join the other service schools as independent, thus bringing an end to the MWC
as we know it? (tear) In which case, look forward to an MWC/WAC not-so-super
conference merger with Boise and TCU as the juggernauts!
seriously, BYU TV, have you ever spent more than two seconds on that channel.
Nope, because it is horrible and almost embarrassing. Not the route to get
national attention!! Unless we can get some better garunteed deal with ESPN
(who rules college football) and AQ status with the BcS (the cartel), then its a
no brainer to just stay put. Basketball to the WAC=DUMB
Fan's of little brother up North are upset that the Cougars are in the news and
they aren't. It really irritates them that BYU could actually make this work
and improve their own situation while Utah is stuck in the middle of the
Craig Thompson has got to be sweating watching his flagship program getting
ready to jump ship.With BYU joining the WAC in all sports except
football, the MWC has lost their only real draw to inviting a team from the
WAC.Much more likely would be a team like UNLV or TCU or SDSU
joining the WAC.Boise State could really be left scratching their
heads about what just happened if Utah, TCU and BYU are all gone when they
finally get to the MWC.
I will believe it when I see it. I have mixed feelings. Independent in Football
just doesn't sound that great. It would be better to be associated to a
conference. As for everything else going to the WAC, that is not a big deal. All
other sports are not relevant, maybe basketball but, given their history, this
won't make much of a difference. I agree with Gorum, unless a bowl game is
guaranteed, this won't happen. They will be better off in the MWC.
@ TerryI hate to burst your bubble, but any notion that ESPN is
"courting" BYU is fabricated. ESPN already has their mid-major darling (Boise
St.) and its not likely to change. sorry, but I fail to see where the revenue
streams are going to come from. I think BYU will be much more like Navy than
BYU may have a issue getting into a bowl in the first year or two but in the
long term it should not be an issue for them as bowl contracts expire. ESPN is also reporting that BYU will be required to play 4 to 6 WAC football
games a year.
Andy Katz from ESPN writes "According to independent multiple sources, BYU is in
discussion with ESPN for its football rights. ESPN already has an agreement with
the WAC to televise football and basketball."As a highly respected
source of journalism, ESPN is fanatic about it's "sources." No story gets
posted to ESPN unless the source is credible and verified. Given that Katz
works for ESPN, I'm sure he has direct contact with the sources that he quotes
above...so take it to the bank that the ESPN negotiations are going on.Question is, will they actually happen, or will BYU just use the negotiations
to strong arm the mtn. into more flexibility?
Why go independent now? If you wait 2 years the Mountain West might be a BCS
conference. If not then you go independent.
BYU is not going to make a decision without contracts for t.v. settled, and with
their own network, which is a very high quality broadcast center. One source
says that UNLV and San Diego St. might be going back to the WAC. That source
came from 1280 the zone radio. BYU stands to make a lot more money with
Independency, rather than the horrible mtn. deal.
What great news! Not only is it great for football, but even better for the
other sports. To have global broadcasting of track and field, volleyball,
soccer, rugby, etc., will create a fan base and recruiting base that will grow
sharply in coming years. It also provides an opportunity to broadcast 30 and 60
second family messages that will be encouraging to people of all faiths. If one
of the underlying purposes for our participation in sports is to gain exposure
to the mission of the church, this will be a huge leap forward. Everything
about this is a plus and the result of many years of analysis, planning, and
preparation. The Utah move may have accelerated the timing slightly or maybe
not at all.
They will give this independent thing a try for a couple of years, and then the
football team will join the wac with the rest of the byu athletics.
RE: Disco VegasThe Cougars are a flash in the pan????????Ute fans so easily forget the thrashing the Cougars have generally given their
imperical team. Yes, the rivalry is even these days. Between 1970 and just
recently, the Cougars stepped on your face first and then asked
questions....flash in the pan? Stay on topic or get is site!Brigham
Young has a forty-year legacy in college football. Add to that LaVell Edwards
brought them out of darkness called the WAC and now the MWC.Our
sold-ot stadium will still dwarf your additional 10K seats....Add to
that the work that Bronco Mendenhall has accomplished since the Crowton debacle
and how he would have to be behind this move for it to succeed, as well as the
Board of Trustees of the LDS Church...and our fan base. Oh, by the
way, let's consider the utes with their minisquel(sp?)fanbase and we will dwarf
you in one season! Add to that 100 million television sets in HD and
the Cougars have the makings of a huge coupe in college football.A
nevermind to our little bro's in SLC...we have bigger plans...Go Cougars
Otis,The Savior and Creator of all the world wants BYU in a BCS
Conference, not the WAC!
Recruiting for football, basketball and other sports is going to take a major
hit too. Doing what has been reported is akin to the athletic program committing
suicide. Maybe they are afraid that Boise State is going to come to the MWC and
dominate it in football like it has the WAC since it joined that conference. Has
anyone at BYU discussed this with Coach Bronco Mendenhall? I can't believe that
he is in favor of this move.
Dear Truth ---The actual truth is that Utah was in all the time...
and the only truth is that byu is like the little kid in the school yard and is
going to take their ball and go home.you may want to consider this
truth... the only reason they y even has any play right now with espn is that
BSU has left the wac and they need someone to fill BSU's shoes.... so how does
it feel to be the replacement for BSU ha, ha.....I hope you go
independent, your relevency in the landscape of the football world will be alot
closer to navy then Notre DameThis summer just keeps getting better
and better for UTAH fans!!!! GO UTES!!!!!
Why hasn't the DesNews yet updated this article? It's been updated twice
already on espn.com and it's only 10:45am MST. Anyhow, to all those Ute fans
who would like to pride themselves on thinking this is simply a reaction to
Utah's move to the Pac-12, that's only a (small) part of the story. If BYU had
left, Utah would be up a creek even more. Could Utah even consider making a move
to football independence? No. BYU has a national product and following that,
while not nearly as big as Notre Dame's, still commands attention and money.
It's too bad that the other sports programs would be relegated to playing
lesser-quality WAC schools, but hopefully that would be only temporary. It
would give BYU basketball a better chance at the tourney instead of attending
the Las Vegas Invitational. The MWC TV contract is a joke and hurts BYU. BYU
has as large a television draw as some of the biggest schools in the country,
which is its trump card to either going independent or forcing the MWC's hand in
allowing more TV rights/money. Go Cougars!
Joining the WAC will really improve recruiting for BYU!
This seems like a perfectly reasonable move for BYU. Their own conference is bad
and doesn't look like it will get any better, so why not take matters into their
how come people think BYU is "the lord's school?" I though Notre Dame was.
This is really not that big of a stretch for BYU. The Cougars practically
carried the WAC on their backs for more than a decade while turning out a string
of All-American quarterbacks, a Heisman Trophy winner, and winning a national
championship.BYU put the Holiday Bowl on the bowl map and has been
an ESPN favorite since BYU played Pittsburgh in the first ever nationally
televised college football game on ESPN.BYU isn't Notre Dame, but
finishing in the Top 25 regularly for the past 4 decades has given BYU the
national cachet to be successful as an independent.
Idablu.... again, not trying to rain on the aq parade, but I said this before
utah left and I stand behind it now... the bcs won't invite the mwc as long as
the bottom half of the conference is a. Perpetually ranked in the 70-80 range,
and b. Cannot sell out small venues... even the mighty tcu averaged a puny 65%
capacity last year, with only one sellout (utah).Fair or not, it's
all about the money, and the bottom half doesn't make enough.
The Jealousy is killing BYU and it's fans!
@ Old greg and @ Otisha ha ha ha ha ha!!! creepy creepers!!
Otis,You really think the Lord wants BYU to join the WAC? Are you
For all the posters commenting on how moving to the WAC for all the Olympic
sports would be a bad move, when was the last time you went and watched the
women's softball team? Or cross-country. The volleyball teams already
participate in a different conference. Outside of basketball, who cares?And teams from even the smallest of conferences make it to the NCAA
tournament, how would it hurt the basketball program?This helps the
football program, and at worst maintains status quo for the other sport
ESPN is courting them big time and will offer them many multiples of the piddly
$1MM they get from the MWC TV deal and 5 times the TV viewers for exposure!
PLUS they can then make millions more broadcasting the games that ESPN does not.
Absolutely nothing to lose except a horrible TV deal and horrible bowl
agreements. Now their national fans can actually watch them! Good riddance Las
Vegas Bowl & Craig Thompson! :)
@ Truth 10:20ha ha, good one. You laugh at us but according to
reports out of ESPN, the WAC will require BYU to play 5-6 WAC opponents in
football each year. This is the post-Boise WAC mind you. Ha ha, who is going
to fall into obscurity now?
Maybe I'm in the minority here, but why are so many wanting to wait and see if
the BCS will make the MWC and automatic qualifier? We have no reason to believe
the BCS will include the MWC, meanwhile BYU is leaving millions on the table
every year because of the awful TV contracts and Bowl relationships. Now that
Utah's out, I don't think it's a stretch to say that 60-70% of all MTN tv
viewers will be BYU viewers (TCU and Boise are good teams, but without Utah the
2nd biggest fan base might actually be UNLV). With the MWC, BYU holds all the
bargaining chips right now. They have to act now.
Here's the elephant in the room that no one wants to admit: The MWC is NOT
going to get an AQ bid!!!! Face facts people. The BCS will find some reason to
continue to exclude them. They need look no further than WY, SDSU, CSU, UNLV, &
NM. These 5 drag the conference down and will prevent that AQ bid from
happening.Utah's departure exposed the MWC for what it is: a good
mid-level conference with 3-4 good teams that will ALWAYS be on the outside
looking in. BYU wants in to a BCS conference. To do that they have to prove
that they are a valuable addition. They cannot do that in the MWC. Going
independent could give them more national exposure, attract the attention of the
BCS schools and lead to an invite from a bigger conference. It could also be
successful to where they like being independent.
CSU website is reporting that their twitter feed was hacked and this is a false
This move is so logical:1) BYU needs to do something now that its
main rival in state of Utah, Utes is being added to a major conference --PAC
122) No major conference wants BYU --not BIG-12, not BIG-10, definitely
not PAC-123) So, the only move left is to go independent (and good luck in
scheduling games with good schools)
No need to make LES a bowl, but adding an upper deck to the east stands could
increase seating to around 75,000. The footings are already in place to do
that.When you have better broadcast facilities and nationwide cable
access ON YOUR OWN CAMPUS than you get from your conference, it's time to pull
the plug on theMTN.ESPN is talking about the possibility of an
annual BYU-Notre Dame game and all of BYU's home games being broadcast on
ESPN.Since ESPN owns a bunch of bowls, a Navy to the Poinsettia Bowl
if they're bowl eligible deal could be set up to guarantee the Cougars a bowl in
years they don't play in a BCS game.Either the Poinsettia or Las
Vegas bowl would be great for BYU fans and without having to split the meager
payout with the rest of a conference, BYU would probably net more than they
would playing in a bowl like the Holiday Bowl.Financially, BYU only
has to exceed a little over a $1.1 million to break even from what they get from
the MWC. Guaranteed, BYU will do much better than that.
I laugh in the faces of Ute Fans who know the only reason they were picked up by
the pac 10 was because Texas and a host of others told them "No Way"!Could you imagine Utes going independent?The difference between
the Y and Utes?....The Y could actually pull it off!Nice try
Utes...enjoy your new life in obscurity and rubbing shoulders with WSU Cougs!
Dave S | 8:20 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010 Why would the third or fourth best team
in the MWC think they could possibly compete on a national level by going
independent??--------------------Why not? The historic "third or
fourth best team in the MWC" seems to think they can compete on a national level
by going to the PAC-whatever. Hope springs eternal.
BYU needs to have patience and wait 2 years to see if MWC can position
themselves in the BCS. There is a really good chance that this year, BSU and
TCU will both get BCS bids, adding much pressure to give MWC an automatic
qualifier in the future. If it doesn't happen, then go independent. This is a
huge gamble. I still don't see where the revenue is going to come from.
I'm not.trying to be a ute troll, but...... Espn is reporting that part of the
deal would involve 6 wac games...... if Nd has to play stanford, usc, mich,
pitt, army. Why would they give byu the same deal against lesser competition? If
they have to play 6 wac teams it will actually drop the sos, especially after
bsu is gone. Best of luck with all said endeavors, but you should be
required to have better "tradition" games than utah st. and idaho.
Three issues: 1. 9/1 deadline to announce intentions to leave the
Conference in 20112. Uncertainty of when Colorado goes to the Pac123. Horrible MWC TV deal (which is really the biggest issue)If BYU
announces now that they are leaving the conference, then they could accept a Big
12 invitation next summer and pick up Colorado's schedule if they jump to the
Pac 12 ...pretty smart to be in a position to do that, if there is any chance
that the Big 12 is interested. If they announce intentions to leave after 9/1,
then they can't make a move until 2012I'm not sure that the Big 12
is interested...so the real issue is the TV deal. BYUs other sports (which,
outside of Basketball) only really exist to meet Title IX qualifications, would
transition to the WAC so that they could escape the Comcast TV deal.MWC would be foolish to let BYU go. Even with TCU and BSU in the fold, they
won't get AQ without BYU. Worst case, this forces MWC to re-evaluate the TV
deal and possibly allow BYU to broadcast or simulcast and get more exposure.
@ Otis"This is the Lord's University and if BYU wants to go independent
then it was the Lord's decision."Ya know, in a lot of ways that's
BYU won't really take a step back in all other sports by joining the WAC,
because all other sports have tournaments that allow the best to play for
national championships. Furthermore, the MWC isn't a powerhouse in any other
sport (their not a powerhouse in football, but their closer than in the other
sports). Where does the WAC play its basketball tournament? It would
be nice to not play UNLV on its home court every year during the MWC tournament
(that has driven me crazy for years!). I'd also like to have access to BYU
football games without getting cable (the way it worked from the 1970s until
2005). An ESPN contract would be nice, but I also have concerns about BYU-TV
getting the commercial dollars necessary to make it better than the Mtn. (which
sounds easy, but may be hard with advertisment restrictions on BYU-TV). Could be interesting...
Why not move to the WCC instead of the WAC? They are a stronger basketball
league and don't have football anyway, so being independent in football will
work. They are also geographically closer overall with all of the other teams
being in California, Oregon, and Washington instead of having to go to Louisiana
Congratulations, Cougars!!!You just move from MWC (ie AAA
mid-major) to WAC(ie AA mid-major).Good improvements there, Holmoe!
It all depends on who BYU gets committed every year. Money will be better if
they go Independent.Right now they play 3 good schools Every year
Utah Boise State startingTCUYou can trow in Air ForceIf they go independent they will have to already get 6 to 7 schools who
will commit to play BYU ever yearUtah is a LockIf they could
add Notre DameOklahoma StateBoise StateOregon or Oregon
StateAnd then add a couple of LocksUtah State is already a
lock. Maybe Hawaii, UNLV, Air Force, Navy, ArmyThey can then
still play the occasional 3 other teams.I personally think they
should wait a year and see if the Mountain will get an automatic BCS bid. But
what do I know
It's taken a long time to get their, but it's nice to see BYU finally taking
destiny into their own hands instead of waiting by the phone for a call that may
never come.I've been skeptical about the challenges of going
independent, but this makes alot of sense.Scheduling 5 or 6 games
against WAC teams in October and November solves the problem of trying to
schedule games during conference season. As far as the BCS goes,
there's no good reason why the BCS shouldn't include any team that's good enough
to finish in the Top 8 in the BCS standings, regardless of whether that team is
AQ, non-AQ, or independent.ESPN is one of the big players in the
BCS, so if they apply a little pressure, that's all it might take to get the BCS
Let's just hope BYU TV doesn't sign Todd Shakespeare Christiansen for their
football broadcasts. Going independent would be worth it just so we
didn’t have to listen to his color commentary.
And exactly what Bowl would they play in if they didn't make it to the BCS?
Most bowls have tie-ins for both opponents.What championship would
they tout on years they didn't go to the BCS?What publications will
cover them if they aren't in a conference?DON'T DO IT!
utahcountyute | 9:12 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010As long as the right deal is made
(TV), I think that this would be great for byu.If they can get close
to the deal of ND, I would jump on it for sure.-------Yeah,
and If I could've married Jennifer Aniston ten years ago I'd have jumped on
that, too. BYU is NOT Notre Dame (in stature and following) but
they may BECOME Notre Dame (struggling to win) if they go independent.Rivalries are important for several reasons, one being that you know how to
prepare for your rival. You know their schemes, their coaches, their
tendencies. BYU would end up rotating opponents every few years, making
preparation more difficult.With consistent opponents you can promise
kids where they will be playing year after year. You can have a recruiting
base. Notre Dame's national recruiting base seems like a good idea, but I'm
guessing Texas loves owning Texas, USC loves owning So Cal, Florida loves owning
Florida. BYU would own -- Mormons. I don't think this necessarily helps that.
For a school that never was good enough to be invited to a BCS bowl, they
dare to ask/demand an AQ to BCS? ESPN Katz says, "Rival Utah's
move to the Pac-10 has given BYU the impetus to seriously explore the
possibility of leaving the Mountain West..."ie, jealousy!!!
I think Money should be the main motivator. If they make significantly less
Money by staying in the MWC how is that a good thing. You're Telling me your
willing to make less money just so you can play UNLV, SDSU and NM in Basketball?
You Guys are Crazy. The More Money you have the better decisions you get to
make. With more money you can then bring in UCLA and the AZ schools to play in
Basketball. Money is what's kept us from getting better schedules in every
sport. We finally can tell these schools that we can broadcast the game nation
wide. MWC did this to itself by trying to control everything. Going
independent will allow us to spend more money more wisely.
If BYU goes independant, they will need to renovate LES and increase its
capacity to around 75,000-80,000. Make it a bowl and add an upperdeck to the
east side stands. You cant tell me that theses games would not sell out if BYU
played some high prestiage teams at home. They could strike a deal to keep the
rivalry with Utah will renuing the rivalry with the other big indy....Notre
Dame. Utah from the Pac-12 against BYU. Just like ND vs Michigan every year. DO
IT BYU! YOU HAVE TO!
To Dave S.:They didn't, they joined the Pac 12 instead!
Okay;My take on a little different football schedule. One being to get
Hawaii as much as possible, (trips there are a recruiting bonus for H.S. kids).
Don't schedule TCU. You'll play yearly, Army, Navy, Air Force. Also get Notre
Dame to play annualy. Utah and Utah State. So a Schedule might look like:
(2011)Utah St. (nice opening game)UtahGame to be
determinedTexasAir ForceOregon St.HawaiiNevadaFresno StateArmyNotre DameNavyMaybe 11 wins and
a BCS berth...
hedgehog | 8:31 a.m. Aug. 18, 2010Go for it... make yourself even more
nationally obscure.Oh, and good luck getting a BCS program to travel
to Provo in Nov. LOL!Nothing more then a desperate dead issue. (BYU
is trying to squeeze the MWC for more money)----------Never, ever, ever thought I'd agree with hedgehog. (And here I thought I had
a life...)Independence will be playing home games with patsies, and
tough games on the road. There just aren't that many quality programs that will
go home and home with BYU, and if there are, they'll only do it for a couple
games. No rivalries, no tradition, no BCS guarantee. Short term gain, long
The main reason that BYU would want to switch its other sports to the WAC would
be to get away from the mountain network. The WAC has a contract with espn and
any game they don't pick up, can be picked up by local broadcasting. If BYU
really can produce the quality tv product they claim they can, they could get a
lot more money and exposure by dumping all aspects of the mountain network and
broadcasting their own sports.
@ Floyd Johnson 9:14 what planet do you live on? You need a reality
here's my take: demolish wac, make a decent 12 team conference with mtn west,
(that is, show some tough love by leaving a few out that don't do anything in
football or basketball), and stay the course for a automatic qualifying
bid....two division sample:group 1:boise stbyuutah
statesan josenevada colorado stgroup 2:tcuair forcefresno statesan diego stunlvnew
mexicoput your own possibilities together....this conference could
easily be as good as say a big east....my suggestion is to leave hawaii &
lousianna tech for distance reasons, and let new mexico state and idaho and
wyoming find there way with some big sky or big west teams...and get back on
espn for it is a neccesary evil....i personally believe byu could be
successful as an independant, but conference championships are worthy goals and
great for all athletes as well as football....and might be a quicker road to a
It's a Win/Win for BYU. Their first choice is probably to demand the MTN free
up the games that are not televised so BYU can broadcast them on their own
network. If that doesn't work, then BYU is prepared to go independent in
football, a move that they have been considering for several years now. The
Utes moving just made it easier since the two schools have always worked
together to boost the conference.
Oh please oh please oh please let this be true. It will be fun watching the
egos come crashing back down to earth. Specifically, it will be great to watch
all the headscratching when all 14 million LDS Church members don't tune in to
BYU's first game on their sparkling new TV network.BYU: The Utah
State of the 21st century
@ SportsFancare to enlighten the class as to why this would be a
"great move" for football?
First, BYU is not Notre Dame. Notre Dame is actually wanted as a member of
other conferences (ie. Big 10), BYU is not. Bowl games are all under contract,
so who is BYU going to play as an independent in a bowl game if they don't get
into a BCS bowl? Why would the BCS give the same agreement to BYU that Notre
Dame has when BYU has never been to a BCS game? And future membership in the
Big 12 is not a slam dunk. Texas, Texas A&M, and Missouri are all members of
AAU which is the highest level of academic elites in the country same as
Cal-Berkley, Stanford, Washington etc. If Cal and Stanford didn't want to
associate with BYU what makes people believe Texas and Missouri would? Austin,
Texas is just as liberal a place as Berkely, CA.
BYU just does not have the same following as Notre Dame. They are such a
storied franchise in College Football. If the cougs went independent. The team
would receive more revenues by directly negotiating with ESPN however the big
difference is that is really gives BYU more control, more options, more
opportunity to make something of their football season each year. I say DO IT!
We really have nothing to lose.
I hope the Powers at BYU know what they are doing? As fans we have been trying
to get the MWC to BCS status and it was looking like a possibility. I have been
beating the MWC drum as an out of state fan. The Mountain and Direct TV have
been great for out of state fans to see all BYU games. I think going independent
is a huge risk and will be a major down grade for other sports to go back to the
WAC. They really need to consider the big picture and what will be best for the
future of BYU 5, 10 and 15 years down the road. I think going independent is a
huge risk even if you get a BCS deal. How many times has Notre Dame been to the
BCS in the last 10 years? We all remember the Crowton years and no BYU fan wants
a repeat of Football obscurity. This is one fan that is not sure independance is
This move makes so much sense, I can’t think of one good reason why they
shouldn’t do this. The MWC TV contract is the least fan friendly in all of
college sports, that reason alone is enough for them to leave that Joke of a
conference. People think that scheduling will be an issue but I have
a hard time believing that BYU will have any difficulty filling out their
schedule with teams who want to boost their RPI.
The WAC, especially USU does not want to see BYU in their league. Stay were you
Finishing Top 8 in the BCS standings would be a challenge, but BYU could do it
with a good schedule and one or no losses.
While I do think this a decent, if not a great move, I don't understand why BYU
would compete in the WAC in all other sports? This is not explained in the
article. Does anyone know why BYU would not continue to compete in the MWC in
all other sports? The WAC would be a step down in competition, with all due
respect to Utah State. Anyone?
This is great. It show BYU cares about the fans and the local rivalries. They
can say hello to ESPN contracts and even arrange a 7 home and 5 away schedules.
The ESPN article sheds a bit more light on this. It states that BYU would play
4-6 WAC teams in football every year. Although many fans will not like this it
has worked out pretty good for BSU. The remaining games BYU could also schedule
in their favor to include keeping the BYU-Utah and BYU-USU rivalries intact.At first blush this looked like a bad idea but it could be beneficial.
Even if all BYU can muster is a 2nd tier bowl it still keeps the 1-2 million for
itself instead of spliting revenue. If it somehow makes a BCS bowl then all
that money comes directly to the Y giving them more money than they make now
over a 3-5 year period from bowl games.Additionally the ESPN article
states BYU is in discussions with ESPN on a TV contract. Being back on ESPN
would be huge exposure with games ESPN does not pick up being broadcast on
BYU-TV or, heaven forbid, even the free channels (KSL).
If this means no more Todd Christensen calls on TV, BYU should go independent
regardless of any other consideration. I'll be able to finally watch BYU
football without a thesaurus.
Re: Reality CheckUtah's decision does influence BYU. The MWC as an
organization was on track to gain automatic BCS status (with Utah and Boise in
the conference, it was guaranteed). All the conference had to do was wait
another couple of years. With Utah out, it makes it less likely that the MWC
will obtain that status. The question of becoming independent is, therefore,
more significant.Also with BYU leaving the MWC, it voids the
contract with the Mtn Network. BYU could leave for two years and then return
without the restrictions of a terrible TV deal.The other "impetus"
taken into consideration is the Texas independent TV deal. BYU considered that
example and realized that they are decades ahead of any other school in regards
to independent TV.I would like to see BYU TV contract with Texas and
the WAC to broadcast games. Texas has the right to broadcast, but they do not
have the ability to do so. If BYU TV began broadcasting Texas football and WAC
non-football athletics, cash flow would be guaranteed. The LDS Church would be
thrilled to see another 10 million people tuning to BYU TV.
As long as the right deal is made (TV), I think that this would be great for
byu.If they can get close to the deal of ND, I would jump on it for
sure.I guess we will see if this is all smoke on Sept 1st.
This will be a great move for football and a lateral move in basketball. The
other sports are simply for fun and entertainment, so it's really not a big deal
whether BYU is playing Fresno State or TCU in baseball or women's basketball.
Scheduling would be my biggest worry. Like the article mentioned, would they be
able to get ND type scheduling, or would they be stuck with a Navy type
schedule. Lets look at the BCS or ranked teams each of the independents play
this year.ND:1)Purdue 2)Michigan3)Michigan St4)Stanford5)Boston College6)Pitt7)Utah8)USCAll high profile teams BYU would love to play.Navy:1)Maryland 2)Wake Forest 3)ND4)DukeIf it was
basketball, it would be great. For football, not so much. None of them had
winning seasons last year.BYU currently has trouble getting home and
away matchups with good teams. Lets looks at the BCS teams they've managed
home and home games with in the past couple years and who they have on schedule
in the future:2007: Arizona and UCLA. Both finished with loosing
seassons.2008: Winless Washington ang 4-8 UCLA2009: FSU2010:
Washington, FSU2011-2012: Oregon St.I think that they will
need at least 2 marquee games against powerfull ranked teams, at least 4
middling to good BCS shools, and then fill out the rest with whoevere.
I think going independant in football would be a good way to preserve the
Utah/BYU rivalry game, as well as the BYU/USU game. And as an aggie fan I
would love to see their basketball team move over to that WAC. We are a lot
more competative basketball conference than people give us credit for, and lets
face it, the aggies have been a much better rival in basketball for BYU in the
past few years than the U has.The only thing more fun than fighting it out
with BYU every year in basketball would be doing it twice!
No surprise here, word is coming out that the Colorado State twitter was hacked.
@ Y Grad/ Y DadYou really need some help if you think
BYU will ever be bigger than Texas. A venture outside of your mom's basement
might do you some good.
I don't have the crystal ball here- it is a step back for other sport to go wac.
Only ND of Ind. (w/bcs contract) will go bcs if 10-2 but BYU going 12-0 it is
more lilely will not be granted w/o contract (if that is how it works). Other
Ind. schools are not in the bcs. Yes it would be sweet to see most games on KBYU
with HD and Greg Wrubell - mtn is a joke but has been pretty nice to see most
games along Greg Wrubell on KSL. The question here who BYU going to face during
regular football season - Weber State, E. Wash, Cal Davis, etc - not good!Well stay tune if announce. Have fun utah after 2010.Go Cougars!
Sacrificing the 'non-football' sports:all the rest of byu sports go
downhill with a move to the WAC-- can you picture recruiting basketball,
volleyball players to compete in the WAC? Soccer? Track?These
'other' sports aren't where the money is, but it is part of what has been
impressive about byu sports -- that they are pretty solid in most sports.
It's all about TV, which includes REVENUE and EXPOSURE. BYU can't get the $ and
exposure it wants in the MWC. It isn't about Utah at all, except that Utah and
BYU had always worked together to improve their positions, which is what led to
the creation of the MWC. Now with Utah gone, BYU knows that there is no
motivation in the MWC to let BYU maximize its REVENUE and EXPOSURE! Add to that
the new TV capabilities that BYU apparently has, and the siren song of change is
getting pretty loud. Joining the WAC again would be disappointing, but it
sounds more like a warning shot across the MWC's bow.
This is the Lord's University and if BYU wants to go independent then it was the
“Nice to see that after only about a month, the spotlight is back where it
needs to be.”Congratulations Fiddler.A desperate
and delusional scenario with as a titanic size hole in it will keep the
spotlight on BYU for ohhh, about 35 minutes. BYU is and will forever be a
“mid major” and little brother.
Sounds to me like BYU might be pulling a Texas of the Big 12 trick... Try and
Stir up some mud to get themselves some money. Get the Mtn channel to re
think the contract or they lose BYU, give us more money to stay, or they lose a
lot of money with BYU bolting. Worked for Texas. No, we arent Texas, but
The Mtn West isnt exactly the Big 12 either.
ESPN is reporting that the MWC tried to sway Fresno and Nevada-reno on tuesday
with no luck. Ouch! Well, I think southern utah would be available, lol. BYU is smart to try to leave a sinking ship, but they aren't going to
get the same BCS treatment ND gets. In fact, ND has become a punchline and will
probably be in a conference soon. I just don't think BYU will prosper with this
move, unless their ultimate goal is a spot in the Big 12, and they are trying to
use this as a stepping stone.
Dave S"Why would the third or fourth best team in the MWC think they
could possibly compete on a national level..."See Utah...which has finished 3rd or 4th in the MWC four of the last five years.
Though the money and exit from the current tv/bowl situation in the MWC is a
bonus from this move, that is not the reason BYU will make the move to
independence. Wether you agree with the mission of the school or not, it is one
thing and one thing only. BYU has athletics not to generate money, but to
promote the school, and the Church that runs it. If you re-read all the talk
about independence the administration of BYU have made, there isn't a mention of
Money. They want visibility for the Mormon Church, thats it. They don't have
the #1 broadcasting system for sports, they have it to get their brand out
their, and that would be the reason for the jump to Independence, not to get
into a BCS bowl. I think they do it regardless of what the BCS
says, because its not their reason for doing it. Years ago, the church almost
eliminated the athletics department because of the bad image it was giving the
Church that runs the school.As a side note, I think many of you will
be surpirsed how well BYU will do if they move.
No offense to any other schools, but one thing is certain. BYU will always be
more of a leader rather than a follower. Utah made the right decision to go to
the Pac 12. The Utah decision gave BYU the chance to gracefully break away to
follow their own path. If it happens, BYU would be right to go independent.
Utah, indeed is a better fit for the Pac 12. BYU is a better fit as an
I think this is a VERY bad idea that could lead to the “nuclear
Option” for BYU which is to dismantle the athletic program in Provo the
way it was up in Rexburg a decade ago. These have been the options for the BYU
athletic program with respects to alignment over the years:A: Join the
Big-12 or PAC-10 Conference to get better TV revenue and BCS AQ.B:
Strengthen the MWC to BCS AQ. With Utah now gone that is off the table. Adding
Boise State merely perpetuates the status-quo as for league strength and
perception.C: Go Independent in football or try and broker a deal to
remain in the MWC for other sports including men’s basketball.D: Do
as was done up in Rexburg when Rick’s College became BYU-Idaho and just
implode intercollegiate athletics in its entirety.If this is just
“saber rattling” by BYU then this is understandable. But it
isn’t going to be easy getting football OOC contracts with all the major
BCS leagues going to 9 and possibly 10 game schedules in the next 2-3 years,
especially into October and November.
Staying in the MWC gets BYU Boise State and TCU every year but it also gets them
New Mexico, UNLV, CSU, San Diego State, Wyoming along with a non-conference game
with Utah State almost every year and that is the problem. Being Independent
allows them to upgrade their schedule overall and to avoid having to share
broadcast revenue with five or six teams that nobody wants to watch anyway. I
don't think its a stretch to say that BYU could replace the five before
mentioned teams with better games. The upper half of the schedule could remain
the same caliber as it is now - Utah, Washington, Florida State, Nevada and add
teams such as either Boise or TCU once in a while. Last year New Mexico was
rated 117th, CSU 105th, SDSU 99th, UNLV 91st, Wyoming 72nd - just throw five
games in there like Navy, East Carolina, Houston, Fresno State, and Arizona and
you have a substantially better schedule already. Utah, Washington, Florida
State, Boise or TCU, Nevada, Air Force, Navy, Arizona, Fresno, Utah
State,Houston, East Carolina - that's a reasonable expectation, a better
schedule, better TV exposure, higher BCS ranking.
People, you are being DUPED!!! This is a story based on a tweet, that is based
on a blog, based on rumor and conjecture. Someone is LAUGHING in their parents'
basement right now at the story they created. 1-Why would BYU
downgrade their other sports to the WAC? Less money, less exposure, etc.?2-Why would they go independent when all evidence to the contrary states
it's incredibly difficult in this day and age? 3-Without a national
TV contract, where will they get the money streams to keep their program from
bleeding cash every year? Notre Dame wouldn't survive without the NBC deal.4-The Naval academy is the best comparison, not Notre Dame. Navy does
fairly well and gets a mid-level bowl berth for doing so. That's about what BYU
could hope for. The BCS isn't going to include the Y just because they are
BYU and ESPN have a press conference scheduled for tomorrow.Helloooo
ESPN!Goodbye theMTN and the Las Vegas Invitational!
The Wahington game will be on CBS C.= No TV for the local fans on the Veracity
Network (Broadweave), the late "I Provo". Another gift from the mtn (small
letters) network, home of the mediocre.BYU needs a place where it can best
serve BYU and it's millions of fans throughtout the U.S. and in many foreign
I'm calling bluff. I think they are just trying to get the MTN to give up the
exclusive TV broadcasting rights in order to keep them. That way, BYU would be
able to broadcast their own games anytime they want and can do it in HD.
As an Aggie fan, I'm against this. BYU shouldn't receive any special treatment
from the WAC, meaning admittance for all sports but football. BYU abandoned the
WAC. They helped keep USU out of the MWC, and earlier helped keep USU out of the
WAC. BYU would use this as a temporary stepping stone while attempting to gain
admission to a BCS conference. BYU would gain from this. The WAC would gain
nothing, as I don't believe that the admittance of BYU would make WAC basketball
an auto 2 bid conference.
I'm looking at my calendar and checking that it is not April Fools Day. It
doesn't appear to be, so I guess BYU is serious. I knew that the Pac-10
invitation to Utah kind of smacked BYU in the chops, but this is a totally
ridiculous move, especially at this time. Their is NO WAY that BYU is going to
get automatic BCS inclusion like Notre Dame has. And for BYU to think they have
a comparable following to Notre Dame is just delusional. They have a MUCH
better chance getting to the BCS as a member of the MWC. I do feel bad for
every team in the MWC that has to suffer through with the MTN network, but it is
better than nothing at this point. The real joke of this is BYU joining the
WAC. I guess the MMDS (mid-major down south) really does like to be the big
fish in a small pond, which they currently aren't with TCU and BSU in the MWC.
I think every team in the MWC understands Utah taking an invite to the Pac-10,
but BYU doing this is just...whatever. Good luck zoobs!
catch 22 - If BYU is independent it could get rid of a lot of the
weak teams that are yearly on the schedule (WY, NM, UNLV, SDSU) and upgrade for
more exciting opponents.A big part of the reason BYU typically
threatens for a BCS berth is the weak teams that are yearly on the schedule. If
BYU upgrades its regular season schedule then there's going to be far fewer
years in which BYU gets in to the 10-12 regular season win category which they
need to get a BCS berth.
Never forget that the LDS Church defines BYU’s mission and role in the
world, sports included. BYU has a top broadcasting facility that few
universities in this country can match. They have a large national following
wherever they go. The MWC will not budge on a crippling television contract that
has hurt BYU financially. The WAC has a similar footprint to the MWC so joining
that conference is not far fetched. Additionally the WAC will accommodate the
Sunday play criteria that BYU needs. Do I think BYU will stay independent (if
that is the decision) long term? No but a move towards independence could be a
stepping-stone to larger things. I honestly can not imagine the BCS treating BYU
exactly the same as Notre Dame. The BCS carved that exemption out specifically
to protect ND and its NBC television contract, a contract that could be canceled
at anytime by NBC’s new owners.
Go for it... make yourself even more nationally obscure.Oh, and good
luck getting a BCS program to travel to Provo in Nov. LOL!Nothing
more then a desperate dead issue. (BYU is trying to squeeze the MWC for more
This idea must come from the same genius that got us into the Mtn tv deal...come
on boys, say it ain't so! The wac is a major step down!
Hopefully they don't move. With the MWC they are garunteed home and aways with
2 perennial ranked teams in TCU and BSU as well as a series of weaker teams that
they are "forced" to have on their schedule because they share a conference. In
basketball they have play several tournament teams every year because they are
in conference. Lasr year BYU played 9 games against tournament teams before the
big dance. 7 were against conference foes. Will BYU go out and schedule 7 non
conference games against tounament teams every year in basketball? Fortunately it sounds like BYU will only go through with it if they get
a BCS inclusion clause like ND. They won't so I don't have anything to worry
BYU home football games on cable controlled by BYU. Enough said.
Imagine that. BYU (or any school) trying to do something to make money. I would
like to see the school that is trying to have a sports program that doesn't make
money. I can see it now, "Gosh. We don't have money for uniforms this year. We
will be reusing the helmets and pads from the Provo High School 1955 uniforms."
That should boost recruiting.
I wonder what type of schedule they'd be able to pull together. I don't see it
being similar to Notre Dame's in strength for a few reasons. I wonder if it
would facilitate scheduling Utah, if indeed both Universities continue to want
that going forward.What could be interesting is that for going
independent in football to succeed, it may not even be necessary for BYU's
schedule strength to be that of Notre Dame's, it may not be necessary for as
much revenue to come in as Notre Dame draws (a significant portion of which
probably goes to NBC), and they probably don't need nearly the fan base as Notre
Sorry it kept giving me the server timed out page when I clicked post comment.
Not my fault the web site doesn't work right at 3am. Or maybe the web site is
trying to tell me something...In response to what isn't done for
money, I would just say I think its disappointing that especially a church owned
school would dump tradition and the other MWC schools for money especially when
seems like it hurts most of the sports.
Nice to see that after only about a month, the spotlight is back where it needs
Why would the third or fourth best team in the MWC think they could possibly
compete on a national level by going independent??
re: wwookie,Notre Dame is not struggling at all financially. The
thing that would press them into the B10 is the possibility of picking up
ANOTHER 10M/Yr. But you'll notice that they haven't joined another conference.
They pointed out that the only thing that might make them join is if cfb went to
16-team super conferences--which would include the demise of the BE, where ND's
other sports play. And if that happened, the B12 and P10 would be scrambling to
add schools to remain viable...a perfect opportunity for BYU to rejoin a
The WAC? Come on BYU, think it over. this is dumber than dirt!
Let's see... BYU comparing itself to Notre Dame. Um, okay, if you don't take
into consideration the countless national titles, All-Americans, future NFL Hall
of Famers, Legendary Coaches, and Rudy, I could see the angle of the Cougars.
But BYU has one national title, one legendary coach (crowton was close) one NFL
hall of famer, and a handful of All-Americans. They DO have a coach that views
his team as a bunch of Rudys. Good comparison.
Calm down, calm down. This is all dependent upon the BCS giving BYU the same
deal Notre Dame has. Not going to happen, so BYU will stay in the MWC. This being said, I still think the MWC should look at picking up Fresno State
The MWC is loaded for Bear this football season. I don't think it would be in
BYU's best interest to leave. They are one good team away from being a regular
power conference in football, the one that mixes things up every year. I as a former Ute actually think the U made their ability to reach a
title game harder. Financially through revenue sharing they may be better off,
but not much more. Now they are just a little more noise in an already very
loud conference. They could have stayed and helped make the MWC be the rouge
conference that played the spoiler every year. BYU needs to stick
with the long term plan. I don't think realignment is done, and some good teams
could be tempted to join if the MWC draws more attention again. But they do
need to get a real tv contract.... another story for another day.
Oh please please please let this be true....I will enjoy watching the death of
BYU sports.And moving to the WAC is an interesting way of ensuring
that BYU will be more successful. Isn't that kind of like the Charlotte Bobcats
leaving the NBA for the ACC because they can't win in the NBA? Here's a new
motto: BYU - Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations.And BYU
fans, you just forever lost ability to play the "Utah cares what we do, but we
don't care about what Utah does" card. Your administration's reaction to Utah's
move to the PAC proves once and forever that you live in Utah's shadow and all
you have the ability to do is react to Utah's moves.
BYU is certainly no Notre Dame, but, following the Notre Dame model, independent
in football and a member of the Big East in all other sports could work. Like Notre Dame, BYU would need to lock in some annual opponents. There
are many teams in both the MWC and WAC who would be interested in scheduling BYU
on an annual basis, including, of course Utah.Throw in a couple of
PAC 10 and Big 12 opponents and a game or two with teams in the east.The two biggest hurdles are:Getting automatic access to the BCS by
finishing in the Top 8 in the BCS standings.Scheduling games in
October and November by scheduling 4 or 5 games with WAC teams and playing the
Utah game in late November.Possible schedule:UtahUtah StateOregon StateOklahoma StateTCUFresno StateNevadaSan Jose StateHawaiiNotre DameSan Diego StateUNLVWith BYU, Utah State, Fresno State, Nevada and New Mexico
State in the WAC, the WAC could become just as strong or stronger than the
MWC.ESPN might be interested in televising all BYU home games.It'll be interesting to see the details.
Re: Blue Saint,You have got to be kidding me!! I think it's time
for a little dose of reality for you. You can't possibly believe this will be
"the biggest college football news this year". Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
I think a move out of the MWC is a good move, whether it's moving into the WAC
or as an indy simply because of the terrible tv contract the MWC has saddled
them with.I don't think it would hurt BYU at all from a competitive
standpoint and at least they could get some national coverage. If they move to
the WAC they would have a decent shot every year (as did Boise St) of getting a
bcs bid as well.
BYU really wants in the Big 12, and I think they would be a good fit and be
profitable for that league. They won't win the league often, but that is the BCS
issue right...do you prefer being good in a BCS conference, or top dog in a
smaller one? The big point is this: Independence is likely the best
way to show the Big 12 the kind of $$$ BYU could bring to the table.Despite BYU's shortcomings, they beat teams like Utah and Oregon State on
their way to a #12 ranking last year and that is pretty typical. BYU is no Notre
Dame historically, but few schools are. BYU consistently wins against good
(incl. top 25) teams, and loses to some too. BYU is ranked in the top 25 year
after year. Reality says they will continue to be pretty good whether they stay
in the MWC or go independent.
"Rival Utah's move to the Pac-10 has given BYU the impetus to seriously explore
the possibility of leaving the Mountain West"Why is BYU's future
contingent on what Utah has decided to do? If BYU is the national /
international power that its fan base advertises, then Utah's actions should
have little to no effect upon BYU. In reality, this reeks of being a
knee-jerk reaction to Utah's move. Is this really in the school's best
interests? How do all of the other programs feel about getting downgraded to the
WAC, playing the likes of Louisiana Tech and New Mexico State? I'm sure coach
Dave Rose will be just "thrilled" about this.
Oh, this is fun!It is fair to a degree to say that it is all about
money, but only to the degree that the money buys exposure.Is it
because of envy (or whatever) relating to the U move? Only as it relates to
exposure (IMHO). The church is constantly looking at ways to get greater
positive national exposure.This COULD garner that for football. It
COULD come at the expense of exposure in other sports. It seems to
me, my reading of the tea leaves, that the MWC says "we all sink or swim
together," and the WAC says "you can do whatever you want if you come play in
our sandbox."And BYU sets out to try to create the next best thing
to the U-Texas network. Or maybe better.Because if you start with a
backbone of all possible programming on KBYU, then take an open offer from KSL
to purchase programming, and the hope that ESPN and others will purchase
increasing amounts of sports production, you get the money AND the exposure.Some fun, huh? In times of profound change, learners will
inherit the earth. Learning is not a passive experience.
Hey look, it's Uteology! Be sure to take his opinion serious. He's not biased
at all guys. Nope, he's right on the fence and frankly, should really be a
sports reporter with that unbiased attitude of his.
Notre Dame has made BCS bowls with 2 or 3 losses. Does byu really expect to be
invited to a BCS bowl unless they're indefeated?They cannot be serious
about that can they?If this happens, this will be great. LOL @ boise
state.The MWC should quickly invite USU. Better option anyway.
@bluesaint"something tells me this will be the biggest college
football news this year"Are you serious?! Do you live in a cave?!
I was watching sportscenter this morning and this story was a short
one time blip on the bottom line. every single sec game this year
will be bigger than this story. That is why BYU shouldn't go independent. No one
besides members of the lds church and utah residents cares about BYU. I think this would be a bad move. If this happens I can see 10 years from now
looking on back on this summer and it being the defining moment in the decline
of BYU's program. Utah to PAC 12, and BYU after five years of trying in futility
to be a successful independent, will be forced to Join the WAC. There's no way BYU does this. They will not get any recognition from the BCS
and they just don't have the clout to be a successful independent. Look at Notre Dame, they are thinking about joining a new conference and they
are freaking Notre Dame. If it didn't work for them, it won't work for BYU!
BYU is a BCS caliber school trapped in a mid-major conference, just like my Utes
until next year. If they can do it financially, it makes sense. My big question
isn't necessarily the BCS access, but if the BYU TV folks can draw the
advertising dollars to make it profitable. I would also worry about their access
to bowls since only the smaller bowls wind up scrambling for eligible teams. As
an independent with no conference tie-ins, the Y might have a hard time getting
into a bowl that is worth it to them. Even Notre Dame sat out last year because
it didn't pay out enough.
If true, this would be HUGE mistake.
If they come to an arrangement with ESPN to broadcast several of their games
(which they undoubtedly would), and get that top 8 guarantee, BYU will have hit
a home run. Let's be honest: they're in it for the football. Who cares with
hoops on WAC or MWC? You could argue they now have an EASIER path to the
tourney which is all that matters in hoops. In football, if they can get a
Notre Dame-type inclusion, no brainer.BYU has the money, following, and
facilities to make this work. Are they Notre Dame? No. But are they big
enough in football to make this work successfully and be in a BCS bowl hunt
yearly? Yep. National Title game would also be an option with a perfect
record. Again, if ESPN is in the mix, this is a home run.
What does the MWC actually give BYU, except an opponent (1/2 the time, a bad
one) every week? The TV deal stinks, the Bowl deal stinks, and you'll never get
respect as long as you're playing unlv,sdsu,wyo and unm. Play one or two, but
all? Even if BYU doesn't go flying into a BCS game, your bowl deal and tv
revenue ALL comes to BYU. Now, its stripped and bled until there are peanuts
left. BYU will be attractive for ESPN and bowl games, especially in the west,
imagine all that coming straight in.I love that BYU is at least
exploring option, and can admit that All ISN'T well in Provo.
Of course it's a money move, which I hate to break to you, is what college
sports is all about. So all of you BYU fans who cried that Utah "sold out" by
going to the pac 10 are going to have to either eat your words or come up with
some fantastic excuses on why it was ok for BYU to do but not Utah!
The other sports won't remain in the Mountain West because of the new tv
contract that they're about to sign with ESPN (bye bye, "The Mtn").At least, that's what it appears they're about to do.
Who cares? The cougs need to come to terms with the fact they are
insignificant, a flash in the pan; we have all moved on to bigger and better
things. Go Utes!
Yeah, there is a reason for money... but also, why not go
independent and get an auto BCS berth (if possible). Yeah scheduling will be
hard, but I bet you could pull a... I hate to say it... Boise State and schedule
a couple hard teams, then the rest weaker teams and get in the top 8 (if that is
the required rank) and make the BCS. Also think that it is also
opening doors for more BYU in more places with BYU's national TV station. It
would help with recruits, money, and exposure. Instead of being on the weak MWC
channel, you could have your own channel where you get every single penny of
earnings and you get to nation wide/even worldwide. On the
opening doors subject, it could also open the door to be grabbed by a BCS
conference, especially if they get a BCS bowl and they start getting a lot of
exposure. I don't know, that is just my thoughts on it.
RE: Tron527.My guess is that the MWC will not let them go
independent in football and keep other sports in the MWC. The WAC will allow
them to do this until the BIG 12 invite comes.
Good on the Cougs. It's time they position themselves to get to the next level.
Hanging around the MWC has gotten them nowhere.
Would BYU get the same treatment as Notre Dame, "If it met the same criteria
that Notre Dame does to be included in BCS games?" Do you mean, "Can we get a
BCS Bowl invite if we go 10-2 like the Irish can?" That's a big "No."Notre Dame is powerful because they have a HUGE fan base. While BYU has a
large following of very devoted fans, it can't hold the candle to Notre Dame in
that regard.The MWC is better than the WAC in the "other" sports
also. Such a move would be a step down for BYU.Having the
capability to broadcast in HD is nice, but it wouldn't add very many fans. The
same people who currently watch BYU sports would enjoy the high-def look of the
event. But, there aren't many non-BYU fans who would surf past several other
games broadcast in high-def that feature more well-known teams just to stop at
KBYU to see who the Cougars are playing.Bottom line - if being
independent is so desirable, why are there only 3 division I football teams that
I would love this move. I personally think it will allow BYU to demonstrate how
much money they can actually generate on their own without having to share with
the rest of the league and how big their national audience really is. It will
be too much for the big-12 to ignore and that invitation will be right around
the corner. Plus it will neutralize Utah recruiting advantage in football.
The TV deal they have with the MWC is a joke and they have to do something.
There are very few schools in the nation that can go independent and be
succesful at it. I think BYU has what they need to be successful going
independent and I hope it works for them.E=M everything equals
money. Money drives all decisions, is it right no but that is how it is. They
can not stay and be left behind.
BYU has been thinking of going independent for years. I hope they go
independent. The Mtn is the worst TV agreement in history.
It sounds like a good plan. BYU just may be able to pull it off!
Hey Kyle, quit hitting the "Add your comment" button! Also this whole situation
is not about your feelings. We all couldn't care less about how this affects
YOU. This is about what is best for BYU. For your info they have been looking at
going independent for many years. There have been many things going on with
talks on changes for a long, long time. When all the dust settles, you will see
what really happened. This really has nothing to do with the Ute program and/or
the MWC. BYU is going to do what is best for BYU, the same as any other school
I think we've heard from Kyle on this one.
Boy, they'd better rethink this little scenario. All I can say, is bad, bad,
And Kyle what isn't done for money?
I too worry about this impact on other sports, especially basketball. Besides
USU, the WAC is pathetic in basketball, and beyond pathetic in every other
sport. Couldn't the Cougs get into the Big 12 or something for other sports?
Watching our track and field teams, and soccer teams, and so on demolish the WAC
competition won't even be entertaining.As far as football goes, this
could or could not be a good idea. I think it hinges on whether the MWC would
really get an AQ bid or not in another two years.
They would move to the WAC because the MWC TV contract restricts conference
schools. In essence, all home games are covered by the MTN contract and the
schools have not been allowed to broadcast the game, even if the MTN has chosen
not to cover it. This has really frustrated BYU, which has wanted to broadcast
their home games not shown on the MTN.WAC schools are free to
broadcast all games that ESPN does not choose to pick up, freeing BYU to once
again broadcast the vast majority of their games.
If the cougs make this move, it would be hilarious. BYU officials must really be
arrogant to think they can make this work when even the most storied program of
all of college football, with the backing of the catholic church (I'm talking
Notre Dame) is struggling and will probably end up in a conference in the next
few years.Good luck with this one. Atleast you won't have to worry
about drawing in too many recruits who are seriously thinking of trying for the
If these rumors are like the Big 12 invite then there is no story.The question indeed is do they get treated like Navy or Notre Dame by the BcS
by going Independent?I can't imagine a team for which the BcS was
created due to will be treated as an equal specially since TCU and Boise are the
best mid-majors remaining.Regardless I wish them luck it will be
really interesting next year if they do.
If the BCS guarantees a spot, then it's a definite YES! BYU is more than ready
to make a move. No other program besides Notre Dame is more prepared than BYU to
go Independent. Something tells me that this will be the biggest college
football news this year. BYU might even be lucky enough to strike a deal with
ESPN, seeing that some of their highest rated games in their history are BYU
games.This is exciting! Having the PAC-NON settle for the clowns was
just the eye opening jab that BYU needed. Being the unique University that it
is, BYU will not get the invite from these so called elite conferences. They
need to take their destiny into their own hands. Going independent is the first
and biggest step!GO COUGARS!
Wow, this will give us something to talk about besides who is going to be the
next QB in Provo.
It seems like they are doing this just for $$$ and to react to the Utes going to
PAC. I hate doing things for money and that's why I hate the BCS so much. I
can't imagine they do this unless they are sure the MWC won't become and
automatic qualifier.I like college basketball almost as much as
football so for me this isn't a great move. USU and Nevada are all right, but it
seems like a step back for all the other sports besides football. Maybe its a
way to try and get into the Big 12. I just hope they know what they are
doing.In all honesty it seems like nothing more than rumors to me.
If they do go independent it seems they are selling out and doing it as a
reaction to Utah, at least to me. The main reason to do this would be for $$$
and I hate it when $ motivate decisions. That's why the BCS is so ridiculous.It would be nice to have games on BYUTV in HD instead of on MTN CBSC and
Versus all the time. I hope they have some bowls that are interested as well.I like college basketball almost as much as football so for me this
isn't a great move. USU and Nevada are all right, but it seems like a step back
for all the other sports. Maybe its a way to try and get into the Big 12. I just
hope they know what they are doing.In all honesty it seems like
nothing more than rumors to me.
Why would BYU leave the MWC for other sports if it went independent in football?
Would the MWC force out the other sports if football left?