Thais tricked, trapped and imported here to be slaves
@ What NowI was curious about your comment on Garden City Kansas, have
there been issues there as well?
The corrupt corporation should be punished to the utmost ability allowed by
People need to read this article more carefully. These Thais were brought here
legally with all the complicated paperwork required by our current immigration
laws. They were brought in 2004 before the company got a hand slap limiting
their human chattel importation for a limited time.More stringent
enforcement of our draconian immigration quotas would have done *nothing* to
protect these people. Indeed it could only have made things worse as it was
actually the xenophobia and racism that the hiring company was exploiting - not
the immigration quotas which it was carefully complying with.
@ego | 4:42 p.m.It sounds to me that the tragedy was CAUSED by
immigration regulation, and not the other way around. The workers were beholden
to this evil company because the company knew how to navigate the complicated
cesspool that is our immigration system.It's a problem of
Anyone living in poverty would have been enticed by an offer of a high-paying
job in the United States, making in one month what you would work for a year to
make in Thailand. It would be best, of course, if these workers could have been
protected before they left Thailand and placed themselves in the hands of their
traffickers, rather than rescued after they had been victimized. I wonder how
this could have been done. Any suggestions? - Prof Patt
I was initially reluctant to read the entire article because of its length. If
I hadn't, I would have thought Circle Four and Delta Eggs were the bad guys.
They should have clarified much earlier that Global Horizons were the bad guys
and that the other companies treated the workers decentlty.
It appears to me that Global Horizon worked the system. The question we should
ask is how we can avoid these sorts of human trafficking offenses from occurring
in the future.
No need to point fingers beyond the culprit reported, Global Horizon. I don't
doubt that there is more of this going on, but I also don't know of anyone who
directly supports it Democrat, Republican or otherwise. If I did no of human
trafficking I'd be right in the fray putting an end to it rather than waste my
time making ineffectual political comments on a news article after the slavery
was already exposed.I'm glad some of these Thai workers are taking
the opportunity given to become legal U.S. workers permanently. As I read the
article I wished I were an employer that could help them earn a living here in
America in a deserving way. I'll be sure to support the Thai restaurants more
when I go out to eat. I love Thai food!
This is a story with a happy ending. These men love it here. In any other
country they would have been ignored or there would have been no help available.
We have a great country with wonderful caring people who try to help others. It
is sad it took so long. Call me a fool but I think people are mostly good.
Re: The Truth : "The Devil made me do it"?This has everything to do
Don't politicize this issue. It is a tragedy that occurs every day, every
where. I am glad that these men have found their freedom and that Utah is
RE: ego | 4:42 p.mTHis has NOTHING to do with captialism, NOTHING to do with political parties,but everything to with the
do with evil behavior of bad men and women. any PROGRESSIVE
or DEMOCRAT that tries to twist this any other way, is only deluding
themselves, and INTENTIONALLY trying to deceive others.EVIL knows NO political or economic systems or boundaries or
persuasions.thought some have built in deceptions, like marxism,
socialism, communism, the easily lend themsevles to used by Evil,as noted by commentors that instantly turn to attacking political
parties they disagree with, and free economic systems they have been decieved
and taught to hate.
"When told that most Utahns likely would not believe that modern slavery could
exist in their state, the Thais say they understand that -- but insist it
happened here."Well of course it exists here. Considering the
intensity with which some individuals and groups lobby against the new Arizona
anti-illegal immigration law, it has been obvious for years that what these
people really want, deep inside, is good-old slavery back in America (and, if
possible, sweatshops, child labor, etc.).This is why Jesus said that
it will be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich
man to enter into the Kingdom of God. "We want to help, to be
an asset, not a liability, to the community." The typical
illegal-alien does NOT have this attitude. God bless this Thai immigrant for
having it. Congratulations to these Thais for defeating these
greedy businessmen. I am glad they are here and I wish them well in this
Don't worry Utah. It's safe to feel sorry for these Thai immigrants and their
ordeal. They're not Mexican. If they were, many of you
would have jumped to exclaim that they got what they had coming. All
is well in Zion!
here we have pure capitalism at work...many believe that the market should
rule...that there are TO MANY REGULATIONS. The regulations are there for
exactly this type of abuse that is fueled by greed.without regulations
this type of behavior would be much more common....and there would be no
recourse for these victims.
12:46; 2:44.Check out Garden City, Kansas.Where do the
workers, come from, who work in the slaughter houses?BTW:No one believes in this sort of thing?Corporations know that if
you can't move the jobs out of the US, you move the people in to the US to do
the jobs.Kansas is one of the most "red" of "red" states in the
This is what happens when we stop enforcing a law. Pretty soon we stop enforcing
another to cover up for it. Then another, and another and another. When we stopped enforcing the laws, and started giving amnesty, we could no
longer justify checking to make sure people on work visas left when they should.
Then we stopped checking on them and their employees altogether. I
hope the people responsible enjoy the publicity.
Well somebody believes in it, we just read about their ordeal.
Not_scared and Ermest T. Bass: Will you guys come into the twenty-first
century? Nobody, left or right, believes in this sort of thing. NOBODY! Do
you think it actually helps your credibility to make remarks like that?
Honestly? You're doing nothing but showing your own ignorance.These
sad stories are exactly why we need tough border enforcement and immigration
reform. I think almost everyone is conficted about this, but things have gotten
so bad that just about everyone has had it. We need to get tough
and we need to do it now.
"All illegals should be deported!"We saw how great conservatives war
on drugs as worked to end drug use too. What, you think you just snap your
fingers and you magically get your way in life?There's these liars
on Fox News. One tale they love to tell is Eisenhower deporting Mexicans. Do you
know what is so funny? Fox News watcher can't seem to get it. They just came
back because deportation solved nothing. My expectations from
conservatives is at an all time low as it drops daily.We don't have
open borders today. What do you conservatives think that border patrol agent was
doing when he was nearly stoned to death?Bill Buckley we miss you.
Once there was an intelligent conservative.
All illegals should be deported!
trv, you took the words right out of my mouth. We need immigration reform not
This situation is incredibly sad. Too sad, in fact, for people trying to make
political and partisan points. In response to one point made already by a
previous commented, let me simply remind everyone that the Republican Party is
not historically the party of Slavery - that would be the other one.
All the more reason for an enforcable immigration law so people like this are
not taken advantage of. This Israeli need some serious prison time.
Like it or not, even with the H1B visa for engineers and scientists, people are
tied to their company because the visa costs a lot of money, it takes a long
time to convert that into a Green Card, and to move to another company requires
finding someone with a spare H1B visa. The problem is, the
alternative is to just go home. And apparently being in the US under such
conditions is usually preferable to their home country. And that will be even
more true with any program for unskilled foreign labor.
Now this is what I like to see, good investigative journalism. We need more
stories that expose the corruption around us. Good job, Lee. I knew you had it
What amazes me is the length that employers will go to get cheap labor.We, as a nation hold but the very few of these employers responsible for their
actions. We, though our inaction, largely at a federal political level, allow
this despicable behavior to go on.Yet, we keep electing the same
people to office, knowing this stuff goes on, and we do little or nothing about
changing the situation.Shame on them for treating the truly poor
this way, but more shame should be on us for allowing it to continue.
I am grateful for Utah Legal Services and especially Alex McBean for all the
hard work they have done in behalf of the men from Thailand. I know that Alex
would take food from his own pantry and give it to the Thai workers to help them
get by. This kind of thing really gives the United States a black eye and makes
us look bad to the world. We need to be vigilant and make sure those around us
are treated with respect and companies that hire foreign workers have a
responsibility to make sure they are being treated fairly. Circle 4 should have
know what was going on. They should have had some way to check on their
workers. I hope they can find jobs and be able to send money home for their
families. They deserve better than they have received from their experience
here in the land of the free.
One of the principal reasons these stories exist is because of our ridiculously
inefficient/corrupt immigration "service".I've had the unfortunate
experience of trying to deal with what was then called the "Immigration and
Naturalization Service" (INS) on behalf of a Japanese friend who tried for
almost 20 years and spent thousands of dollars to legally work in the country
without success. I tried for many of those years to help him deal with the
mind-numbing bureaucratic inefficient, ineptitude and deliberate intractability
of both the agency as a whole and too many of the people who find a niche there.
Think, IRS squared.Had there been a fully functioning governmental
agency, capable of not only ensuring the company enslaving these poor people
wasn't entirely corrupt but periodically monitoring the people here on work
visas, their suffering would either have not happened at all or been caught much
sooner.This is still a government "of the people" and it is up to US
to fix it.
Very nicely written article. It bares testimony to a government that does not
enforce it's immigration laws, as a side consequence, the visa program is
riddled with corruption.
Amazing what people will do for money. They lack anything that resembles a soul.
I feel for these good Thai people. I worked a lot with the Hmong, who were
refugees of the Vietnam war. They fled from Laos and were very helpful to
America, and were stuck in Thai refugee camps, the foothills of Laos, or died
crossing the Mekong river. We have at least 250,000 Hmong people in America now,
and they generally live a much better lifestyle than they would over in Thailand
or Laos. I've met some older gentlemen who would split an egg between three
people - and that was a whole meal.This makes me want to get back to
learning Thai so I could maybe help these folks about a bit. I can't believe
anyone would be so soulless to do this to people who are just trying to make it
by. It's evil. I hope this Orian guy spends the rest of his life in prison.