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Published: Friday, Aug. 13 2010 5:31 p.m. MDT

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Barclay Burns

Please don't have an ideological dog fight with the development of thousands of Utah's children. The investment in them now will make a lifelong difference.

GD

I see a problem with the comment in the paper that said they'll probably follow normal distribution of money. That mean's administrators (we can do without more), custodians etc. If we take the money put it all on hiring teachers and reduce class size. This will help students the most.

pharmacist

I think its good to look at what strings the Feds are attaching first. Then make the choice being informed.

Hellooo

@pharmacist you are right about the strings as the bill requires a commitment of those that accept the money not to decrease funding to schools next year. The slow recovery is projected now, even by the Fed. Removing the option for cuts in education, the largest portion of the States budget, is like the Federal Government saying how states must budge their money. Add, in the increases in Medicaid inheriant in the Health Care Reform Act and you are painting the States that accept this money into a fiscal straight jacket next year. Thanks, but no thanks.

MormonDem

I can't believe legislators are even having this conversation. We're not satisfied with being the worst state for education funding in the country? We're now trying to compete with 3rd-world countries for the title?

The national debt is definitely a problem (always was, even back when Reagan, Bush, and Bush II each took their turn doubling it), but underfunding education is an idiotic approach to addressing it. Education is the thing that fuels the economy in the long term. If we don't have an educated workforce, companies don't want to set up shop here. Utah's academic performance is already in decline (even though the low number of minorities in our state tweaks the statistics, both our white students and our minority students underperform on average).

Firing teachers won't help reduce the deficit; it will just make us ill-prepared to contribute to an economic recovery.

first2third

So the bill requires utah to not cut funding for education that's the catch?
The bill will give utah schools 101 million.
Teachers will keep their jobs.
Class sizes will be smaller.
Kids will get a better education.
Some in the Legislature are not sure they want the above things for Utah's Children. But they, "will hold their heads high knowing they did not contribute to the bankruptcy of America." The money will be spent, but the tax payers of Utah will not get a share of their own tax dollars, thanks to the high heads in the Legislature...UNBELIEVABLE.

Rock Of The Marne

I say we always do the opposite of what the Sutherland Institute says which is the same group that thinks we should be more compassionate to the illegal immigrants (i.e. cheap labor for business).

Doug10

Worried about what strings are attached?????

Hopefully the children this money educates will be smarter than paranoid politicians now in office.

Utah already is in the position of taking more money than they pay in taxes. Why take the high road or the political stand on the backs of the poorest paid teachers in the country or on the backs of children. What lesson should they learn?

libertarianmind

The whole so called "stimulus package was a lie and a farce, we know now that a large portion of the taxpayers money is being held back in a slush fund until the elections in November, as for the first so called emergency world financial meltdown bailout, again we now know after the fact a large potion went to global interests not American interests, and when the secretary of the fed was asked where the money went she couldn't give anyone and answer,do you think something smells here? And now the stimulus money (second bailout) is spent on keeping the bloated inefficient government school system functioning with it's non competitive tenured for life teachers in place while the rest of us in the public sector have to work for a living? and that's if we can find work, now you know why the people kicked Bailout Bob out the door, politicians be warned, the sheep are tired of being sheared.

My2Cents

Dangling the carrot of greed that will serve no purpose in helping education. Waddups has sold his soul to greed and has his head on backwards and where the sun don't shine.

At least Herbert is using some rationale and sanity in being cautious. These funds help save teachers jobs? Not likely. Jobs are permanent, this money is one time bribery and a lottery. Kennedy had it right, "what can you do for your country"?

Enforcing immigration and labor laws will decrease the class size and the pressure on teachers. Enforcing immigration laws would mean we can cut funds to the DWS, Welfare, Chip, Food stamps, and day care services that education supplies. We already have enough education money, it's just being diverted and used for the wrong reasons.

All Americans, including education, have a duty to think of America and our excessive debts. Its about sacrifice, even if it means cuts to education and welfare and UDOT. We didn't become america because government fed us, we become americans because we can survive without government handouts (Socialism). We put our country ahead of ourselves is what made america.

Larry

Utah Familys are 100 years behind the times, The Children are to busy playing Ball Games and not Learning about Social Studies.
I do not know how Utah'ns can work in Aero Space with their Educations.
Just try Mowing a Yard or Cleaning up!

pat1

Here we go again with an idiotic debate where ideology trumps practicality. The Federal Government has its purpose. Who, really, wants to return to laissez-faire capitalism with no controls of any kind? We do not live in Utopia. Many suffer from lack of employment. Look to Southern Utah and see! In my own neighborhood another neighbor is losing a house.

Our state educational system is an abyss. We need qualified teachers, not merely mothers who might be qualified to home school, but are usually not, and my experience with these is that socially the children are not always learning how to cope with people different than they are--a huge mistake in a country like ours.

If this governor will not take the stimulus money, I am changing my affiliation from Republican to Independent. I'm disgusted.

sgerbil

It is quite obvious that Wimmer hates America and wants Utah to be its own country. What an idiot. This guys needs to be voted out.

Hanksboy

The only thing of which we have to be careful is making long-term commitments based on one-time money. But we have no option but to make those tough decisions and take the money. Utah, like the rest of the nation, has been hit by the record breaking recession. You can argue about whether the Feds should have thrown "stimulus" money at the banks and auto industry, but turning down money for education would be foolish.

DN Subscriber

The devil is always in the details.

The "no reduction next year" basically forces $101 million more in Utah tax dollars next year if we take the bait this year. In a time when we must cut back government spending and employees at all levels this is pure insanity. Especially when it looks like the economy is getting much worse, not better.

Waddoups needs to reconsider his gullible "take the free money" position.

Wimmer should be congratulated for seeing that this scheme indeed would force us to "...participate in the bankrupting of our nation."

If we need more money for schools, that is a local issue, not an excuse for feds to be involved, and so far, Utah legislators have wisely kept the funding to an appropriate level, despite the chronic complaints of the teachers unions who will never be satisfied with how much they get.

Reject this "free money!"

dumprake

First, there is a flood of children leaving the public schools for charter and private schools; thus, it's a great time to reduce spending for public education.

Second, the lie is always that more money means better education, that is simply not true. Utah historically has low funding for schools, but rates among the highest in the quality of that education.

Third, most comments here reveal a large naivete regarding our national economics. The economy is not going to rebound back to what it was, ever. Inflation (feds just printing money) is going to knock us all in the head in the coming years.

Fourth, socialism, which is exactly what we have, and Obama and Pelosi and Reid are shoving more and more of it down our throats, is an economic killer, not to mention it moves huge amounts of power to the federal government. Sound familiar?

Fifth, tyranny is when the government does what the people do not want. Tyranny is what we live under today. It's time to say no to tyranny.

cjb

""It's always tempting to take money, particularly when you're in a recession-type environment," Wimmer said. "Some person or some state or some group has got to stand up and say no.""

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Actually, the government spending extra money in recessionary times is EXACTLY the thing we want to have done.

In conjunction, we want to pay off debt during the good times, but unfortunately that never happens.

Bottom line though, this is the right thing for Utah's school children, and consequently for Utah's and the nations future.

As for the argument that this is Socialism, --- So What? ---

Public education is it self socialism to start with. Please people, consider getting your informatioin from some place other than talk radio, this isn't any kind of a real education.

Thucydides

RE: Dumprake

First, charter schools are public schools and receive public dollars. Oh, and public school enrollment is increasing by 2000+ this year...

Second, Utah "rates among the highest in quality of education?" Are you insane? By what measure?

Third, inflation is not the feds printing money (what does this have to do with anything?), it is the cost of consumer goods rising, which can be caused by a variety of factors. Check your own naivete.

Fourth, if you think we live under socialism you really have no idea what that term means or any understanding of history...

Fifth, when you say we live under tyranny you insult millions who really have. Again, read a history book.

You anti-government zelots would be a lot more convincing if you actually used facts to support your arguments rather than believing everything you hear...

cimsonutah

I teach fifth grade in Highland, Utah. My class size will be 37 students to start the year. My class sizes have gone up every year that I have taught. This will be my sixth year of teaching.

I have no "anchor babies" in my classroom. Just students who are there to learn.
You don't want to take the money because you're worried it will turn you into a socialist, fine. What is your solution. Status quo? Public education needs that money badly.

I feel like a few of our representatives would be happy to see public education done away with. If this happens the gap between the have and the have nots will continue to grow.

If you don't want to raise taxes, and you really want five kids, what is your solution?

cimsonutah

I teach fifth grade in Highland, Utah. My class size will be 37 students to start the year. My class sizes have gone up every year that I have taught. This will be my sixth year of teaching.

I have no "anchor babies" in my classroom. Just students who are there to learn.
You don't want to take the money because you're worried it will turn you into a socialist, fine. What is your solution. Status quo? Public education needs that money badly.

I feel like a few of our representatives would be happy to see public education done away with. If this happens the gap between the have and the have nots will continue to grow.

If you don't want to raise taxes, and you really want five kids, what is your solution?

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