@USportsFanI would like to be blindly optimistic but I'm a
contrarian by nature. When everyone is telling the emperor that his new clothes
are stupendous, I'm the guy who tells him the truth, that his bloomers are
showing.In this case, fanatic fans are thumbing their noses at
everyone right now, but the silly thing is, we haven't accomplished anything in
the Pac 10 yet. And, when you look at Kyle's track record vs. Pac 10 competition
he's .500 during his tenure, winning at home and losing on the road. Aside from
beating up on a very bad UCLA team, we haven't been dominant at all even though
the past we've enjoyed one of the best runs in school history.When
you compare that with what happened to ASU after they left the WAC as the
dominant team having won 7 or the previous 8 WAC titles. They've since won 3 Pac
10 titles in 32 seasons. By contrast we've only won 1 MWC during Kyle's time and
have usually finished 3rd (we even finished as low as 6th in 2005). I'm worried
we'll do likewise.
Sure hope Comcast gets the contract with the PAC10/12. I have Dish and won't
have to watch them beat up on the lousy west coast competition. I do believe the
Utes will be successful in football and gymnastics right away. But get ready for
a slaughter in the other sports for a few years. You'll eventually catch up by
hiring better coaches, upgrading facilities and better recruiting. That extra
money, over time, will make a big difference to your program. I'll be watching
when you play my Cougars, and will monitor how well we keep up, and only when
you play them, if you're on Comcast.
Naval Vet | 3:26 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010 Cue "Striker" to agree with
"Fiddler".=== Cue hedgeHog to agree with Naval... ummmm,
himself...===The Real Hedgehog | 3:50 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010 Navel vet,That was the funnyest thing i've read all day! Keep it up!
Make all of us ute fans proud! ===What did that take? 25
minutes?Funniest thing you have heard all day?Really???Fun Day?
Hellooo,The negotiations for equally sharing TV revenue will be up
for vote in October when the college AD's get together and will most likely pass
this time. Because they would need 4 schools not to be in favor of it and they
only have 2 schools that are expected to be opposed.BIGute,I don't see the PAC 10 commissioner going with a deal that gets less national
coverage than it is currently getting. It was pretty evident that Larry Scott
wants the East Coast to watch PAC 12 sports. So, even if Comcast offers up more
money, they probably won't take it unless it increases viewership nationally.
Honestly, Kyle isn't going to let the team go 6-6. Have a little
faith in the team or change handles.
Lets say the TV deal is great and complete. The PAC-10 has made clear that
while it shares bowl revenue equally, it does not share TV revenue equally, but
in accordance to TV appearances, and their ratings. Take any given week in the
PAC-12, what game will you broadcast Utah vs UCLA or USC vs Standford, or A vs
ASU or Colo. vs Utah. For PAC-12 fans we will see alot more PAC-12 coverage,
but it may not include the market team we would like to see the most. And, the
revenues will never be equal that will have to made up with increased donations,
and ticket prices.
@DutchmanIts hard to put a lot of stock in these so-called experts
when their fall pre-season magazines and blogs list guys on the roster or in the
two deep who left on missions 9 months before or forecast pre-season all
conference teams and list guys who are now in the NFL.It's apparent
that most of them just copy each other and circulate the same general
information without doing a lot of research.
Grrrrrrrreat....now on top of trading in the occasional BCS Bowl game invite to
instead go 6-6 every year, Ute fans will trade one lousy Comcast deal for
another. It just keeps getting worse.
In 5 years from now byu fans will tune in to Utah games more than byu games.
Uteology | 4:37 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010 What a great post!!Ron McBride was instrumental in bringing about the transition in Utah
football. Moreover, in the comment included in your post he demonstrates his
insight of the BYU culture and eventual downfall. Classic!What do you think, Bitterman / Not So Good?
UteFan01 | 3:45 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010 is absolutely correct. What in the world are
you (Not So Good | 3:15 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010) talking about? The sorry conference
BYU played in received none of the money from BYU's bowl games. It worked out
well for BYU. They invested in facilities and recruiting and the other sorry
teams remained just that...sorry. My, oh my, how times have
changed.Do you know what BYU did with the first $1M charitable
contribution they received from the University of Utah? They paid off the
remaining years on Crowton's contract to get rid of him. Then they restructured
the Athletic Department administration because there was no money left.Do you know what BYU did with the second $1M charitable contribution they
received from the University of Utah? They put in a new grass field. Only the
BYU professor who told them how to do it forgot Utah has a dry climate so the
Florida State football team was able to tear up chunks of the field and take it
home with them.Hilarious...don't you think?
Bitterman | 1:24 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010Fact:Nothing changed at
BYU. They are exactly what they were six months ago. A relevant, perenial top
twenty team in both football and basketball.--------------3-3 in late December1-5 in the tournamentOnly a Zoob would
consider that relevant.I see, for decades you had out grown
being a mid-major and wanted to join the PAC-10 or Big-12 but now they are
bigots and snobs because you got rejected?"In the early years,
I think BYU felt that they had outgrown the conference and their people were
talking about how BYU would go to the Big 12 or the Pac-10. They used to come
into the Utah game always talking about who they would be playing in their bowl
game.... When we started beating them, they stopped talking about their bowl
game...people then started talking about how we would be a good fit in the
Pac-10, but everybody talks." -- Ron McBrideYou're not entitled to anything you have to earn it. BYU is the 4th mid-major.
Act like it your team does on the field.
UteFan01,Whether or not revenue sharing existed in the WAC during
the 80's, it's very clear that BYU kept the entire conference afloat being the
flagship program. Utah very well may have BYU to thank for the success their
program enjoys today.As far as BCS revenue sharing goes, the five
non-AQ conferences share the distribution, whether it's an MWC or WAC school
that plays in the bowl. The conference represented may get a larger portion but
that usually only differs by a million or two. So the MWC might've got a little
more in 2008 because Utah went to the Sugar Bowl but if they didn't go, it
would've been TCU or Boise State and, therefore the distribution would've been
identical or just slightly less. The point of all this is to refute the claim
that Utah so charitably "distributes $1M to BYU every few years". One other note, The Las Vegas Bowl pays out more than any other non-AQ
Conference contracted bowl. More than the Poinsettia or Emerald or Armed Forces.
Five years in a row, BYU's is more than holding its own in the conference.
Navel vet,That was the funnyest thing i've read all day! Keep it up!
Make all of us ute fans proud!
Re: Not So Good.BYU contributed nothing during those years since
conference revenue sharing did not exist during that time. AND all
of the bowls that BYU went to (and mostly lost) did not pay anything near what
the payouts for the two BCS games Utah went to (and won) paid out. But
hey..thanks for playing.
Fiddler,Phil Steele isn't just some guy in Ohio. Do you even know
who Phil Steel is? Actually, he is quite supportive of BYU and predicted the
upset victory over Oklahoma last year. I pointed out that he lived in Ohio to
show he carries no bias one way or the other. He is a college football expert
who loves stats, facts and computers. That must be hard for you to comprehend.
I am also sorry that the Academic Ranking of World Universities seems to hurt
your tender feelings and doesn't support your bias against the U.
Cue "Striker" to agree with "Fiddler".
Re: Archie @ 2:54 p.m.Utah has sent BYU a $1M contribution every few
years? How generous of them! Let's be honest though, why don't we? Any BCS money
is awarded to the entire conference and is devided evenly. You're dreaming if
you think an even share is $1M for each school, since a non-BCS conference only
gets about $4.5M total.And, since we're talking about
"contributions" how much did BYU contribute to Utah during that 28 year bowl
drought the Utes went through? I'd say Utah has BYU to thank for keeping them
afloat all those years and that they should count themselves lucky for even
having a FB program!
Dutchman, so because someone in Ohio thinks Utah has been better over the last
10 years, that makes Utah better? Well I guess you got us there. I can now speak
for all BYU fans when I say that Utah owns us because a guy in Ohio thinks so.
Wow, gotta love that Utah education you spoke of. If it was responsible for the
AMAZING point you made about athletics, I guess you guys got us there as well.
Well said, Dutchman.Did you get THAT Bitterman. Btw...your screen
name says it all.
Bitterman | 1:24 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010 This post is a laugh fest...
"We maintain, as we have from the begining, that the BCS is nothing
more than a hype machine..." Does name calling help you cope?"The
ONLY thing that has changed for us is that we no longer require you to do well
for the good of our conference" You mean like sending BYU a $1M charitable
contribution every few years.? "I hope that by being the fourth
choice of the bigoted snobs, you now feel validated." More name calling. Yeah,
actually it feels great. Too bad you will never know what it feels like.You don't sound upset at all.Signed,One Proud
@ Big_BenI thought you were the bastion of being reasonable and not
stooping to the level of some of your Ute cohorts. I guess the truth comes out.
Why don't all you bYu fans just admit your jealous of our success. I don't no
one person that would trade 2 bcs games for one national championship. That
makes us better then you. Live with it! Deal with it! Youll always be 2nd best
to the greatest FB program in the state!Go Utes!!!
Fiddler | 12:22 p.m. Aug. 13, 2010 Exactly right...in addition to
"athletic prowess," the selected institutions are also required to have a
reputation in academics and research. Yeah, we know you wish your
team was invited to the PAC-12 but the road to accomplish that is
simple...become a Utah fan!!!!!!!!!
What I am finding most interesting about BigBen is he doesn't really comment on
the article, he just derides those BYU fans who do. I guess he finds this safer
to do than to show his ignorance in commenting, like Hedge and ChrisB do.
Fiddler,Google Phil Steele, and go to his web site, a nationally
recognized college football expert with no dog in this fight who lives in Ohio.
He and his computers rank the conference teams over the past decade since 2000.
For the MWC it is #1 Utah #2 TCU and #3 BYU. Utah's undefeated bowl record
including going 5-0 against BCS teams in bowl games certainly doesn't hurt. Too
bad you and your BYU friends will never get over the snub. And you are right
the selection wasn't just based on athletics. Academics certainly played a role
for example, the Academic Ranking of World Universities ranks Utah at No. 47
nationally and No. 80 in the world for overall academic excellence, placing the
U. well within the standing of the other universities comprising the Pac-10
What hurts, Ben?I keep wondering why pUke fans think that we are sad
and disappointed. We are not.Fact:Nothing changed at BYU.
They are exactly what they were six months ago. A relevant, perenial top twenty
team in both football and basketball. Our conference and team are still
fighting against the hypocritical, discriminatory, exclusionary Big Crock of
S....omething. We maintain, as we have from the begining, that the
BCS is nothing more than a hype machine and that argument of "best team" should
be settled on the field, not the boardroom. We know who we are and
we do not need someone else to tell us we are good.The ONLY thing
that has changed for us is that we no longer require you to do well for the good
of our conference. Fact:The pUke fans felt the EXACT SAME WAY
less than three months ago. You thought the BCS was crooked. And
now? Someone changed your label (and not one thing else) and you figure
this has elevated you to greatness.I hope that by being the fourth
choice of the bigoted snobs, you now feel validated.But are we sad?
Hurt? In your dreams.
Fiddler,waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it hurts
bad doesn't it?
Do I wish BYU was invited to the P12? Of course! But the comfort we're able to
receive as BYU fans is knowing that the selection wasn't made based on
athletics. That being said, not being invited to the P12 isn't all that bad
afterall.Big_Ben/SLC gal (same person).
By the way, the name of the conference is not the PAC. What would PAC stand
for? Pacific Athletic Conference? David Locke referring to the
Mountain West Conference as the Mountain thinks that is silly.
Ibleedcrimson | 11:11 a.m. Aug. 13, 2010Wow look at that, the first few
comments from both sides on topic and decent. then it starts, just like every
forum one side has to bait the has to bite. Ignore the trolls and they
eventually go away.-------We wish. No they won't.
Cougar Blue | 8:00 a.m. Aug. 13, 2010From all of the little snippets of
news in the last few months on the doings of Comcast, I'm starting to believe
that they are not the good neighbor that they want us to believe they are. They
want total domination in TV entertainment and in internet. I don't believe that
is in the interest of very many of us.--------Unlike
Wow look at that, the first few comments from both sides on topic and decent.
then it starts, just like every forum one side has to bait the has to bite.
Ignore the trolls and they eventually go away.
If all you people who think the MT is so bad talk to people who live in
Portland. Oregon and Oregon st games for the most part are on FSN somtimes VS
and most of the time no HD. Also very little national games and you can't get
the game in all areas of the state or region. If the Pac-10 was so powerful and
influential it seems that the Mountain West has better options with it's own
network along with it's deal with VS and CBS College Sports
@thletewhat striker/fiddler (same person) is saying is that he
desperately wishes he could be invited to the party. But he was left out. Its
a rough feeling to experience.
Striker, so you are saying that the PAC is so much superior to the MWC that Utah
has no chance than mediocrity in the PAC-12?Count me as one cheering
for FOX to win the battle of TV rights. I hate Comcast in every way.
Nice! I love it when a BYU fan with two Aliases logs on, makes a comment, and
then agrees with himself (ala Fiddler @ 9:23 and Striker @ 10:13)
@ Fiddlera lot more than will watch mountain west games.
The MTN has a monopoly and it's sickening.
Right on Fiddler. Besides, no one will watch a conference when two new
additions are in the middle to bottom of the conference in nearly every sport.
I would imagine that the PAC-12 will have the negotiating power to tell Comcast
to shove it if Comcast wants to control distribution.The PAC will get a
great TV deal, no matter which broadcaster it is with.The MWC made the
mistake of allowing Comcast to control distribution. I'm pretty sure the PAC
will avoid that.Comcast is out to make a buck and they have all the
negotiating power with the MWC.
Big issue: Who will watch them?
The PAC would be a fool to contract with comcast and I don't see it going to
happen. I use to work for some cable company and comcast are nightmares. I get
calls saying why my game is not showing Duke and North Carlina bb game - I tell
them "comcast has the broadcast rights in that area (NC area)and only comcast
would show the game on espn". Comcast want more money from Directv and Versus
was removed for almost the whole year. And it is sad in some Salt Lake valley
can't pick up comcast. comcast is evil!
From all of the little snippets of news in the last few months on the doings of
Comcast, I'm starting to believe that they are not the good neighbor that they
want us to believe they are. They want total domination in TV entertainment and
in internet. I don't believe that is in the interest of very many of us.
Before you go crazy focusing on evil Comcast you could also bring up the point
that The Pac 12 has a lot more negotiating power than the MWC. There are rumors
about FOX thinking of trying to make up for losing the BCS games and signing tv
rights for a conference like the PAC 12 or Big 12. NBC has also been rumored to
have interest in expanding its college football coverage beyond just Notre Dame
home games. The market for the PAC 12 and Big 12 will be much better than it
was for the MWC to go along with along with the fact that they are bigger and
better conferences who also have the added advantage of learning from the
mistakes of not only the Mtn. but also the Big Ten network. I think
it's a safe bet that the majority of Ute fans, Duck fans and the rest of the PAC
12 fans will be pretty happy with whatever comes from the new tv contracts.