To NIT on August 14,You missed my point. I said a privilege card was
a tool to target a specific people. They could be ANY race. What is ugly about
the card is not that it continues to extent the stay in Utah for the very same
people who are not supposedly in Utah legally, but that the information obtained
from applications for the card incriminated themselves against 5th Amendment
protections. Ultimately USCIS and DHS are moving to remove
non-criminal immigrants from deportation lists in their memo published August
27, 2010. Nice talking to you!
@Not_Scaredconcerning the United Work Workers challenge...If
you got rid of the Illegal aliens (IA) The wages would come up dramatically, you
would get overtime...their "challenge" is a way for the union leadership and
farm owners to justify (immorally) keeping a cheap illegal labor force! you cut
off the source of their cheap labor they would need to pay a decent wage. I
would gladly pay double the price for my strawberries if it would mean stopping
what amounts to slavery. Slavery sanctioned by the smug union leader thug that
has made it on so many talk shows as of late. basically he is bragging how he
can keep the workers wages low...read between the lines!No one
wanted to work on the Cotton plantations in the south, under the condition and
pay offered to those in the early 1800s either.
@voluntaryist. 3:47 PMLOL are you serious? You can't be!Try that dribble in China or even in Mexico itself. Where they beat and
imprison illegals from the southern Mexican borders.Sheesh... think
before you write next time! You make you side sound so uneducated and
Why does NOBODY realize here that when you are born, you have the right to exist
anywhere you can be productive and not hurt people. The state is the problem.
Borders should not exist. Reality, reason, and rights (god given) should be the
final arbiters in any situation. Lovely how the religious peoples are the most
hateful I know.We have become a world of irrational, undisciplined,
irresponsible fascists that want to see people suffer for not believing what
they are TOLD to. These forces are working against themselves, and creating the
messed up situations that people scream about daily.How many laws
are on the books? How many more will come? How many are necessary? NONE!People are responsible only when given the ability to make choices for
themselves without being villified for doing absolutely nothing wrong. When
everything one does is wrong, there is no incentive to be a good person.Peace!
TravoYou are right on, the DN is a news media with a very biased
illegal alien amnesty agenda, if my wife didn't like the church news I would
cancel it tomorrow. It is ultimately going to go the way of all biased print
media, they are all dinosaurs waiting for the final shoe to drop. It is biased
reporting like this that led to Newsweek being sold for one dollar, and it was
probably overpriced at that. Newsweek, the DN, CNBC, MSNBC are all in the same
category, they use the power of the press to push an agenda and eventually it
blows up their face.
'Don't try to imply that the government is really doing something about
enforcing laws...' - Travo | 10:07 a.m. 'Deportation of
illegal immigrants increases under Obama administration' - By Peter Slevin -
Washington Post - Monday, July 26, 2010 Line:'The Immigration
and Customs Enforcement agency expects to deport about 400,000 people this
fiscal year, nearly 10 percent above the Bush administration's 2008 total and 25
percent more than were deported in 2007. The pace of company audits has roughly
quadrupled since President George W. Bush's final year in office.'
Why is every Dnews article relating to illegal immigration always have some bias
towards amnesty or is sympathetic to the viva la raza cause? Don't try to imply
that the government is really doing something about enforcing laws, they are
still very weak on that. Stop being a propaganda machine for the illegal
Obama promised the Latino's amnesty before his election. The rise in deportation
is only 5% or 19,350 individuals. His fines to business over his
silent raids have done very little for deportation, as the people are turned
loose to find new jobs. His killing the Arizona bill against the will of the
blue dog Democrats, tells the story. And now his Department head is claiming the
600 million was his idea. He's put his party in trouble in the
November elections, and he knows it.
My2Cents:Obama stalling immigration enforcement? First of all, your
assertion about his citizenship is simply puts you in tinfoil hat territory.
That aside, deportations are up significantly under Obama, and he has levied six
times as many fines against employers. Deportation of criminals has nearly
doubled. Thousands of National Guard troops are currently trainng for border
patrol duties. Obama will soon sign into law a bill that puts $600 million more
towards border protection.It's almost as if Republicans are
disappointed when Obama does something they agree with, because that ruins their
recreational hatred of him.
If deportation cases are factually x100 more than those cases in 2002... this means Obama and the federal goverment IS doing something about
There are over 60,000 individuals from other countries that have advanced
degrees that are waiting to come to USA legally. If the country
lets the current illegals stay, that is a slap in the face to those who have
chosen to follow the immigration laws.Seems that USA either has to
enforce their current laws or do away with them altogether.
Well said Esquire. I've lived long enough, under several Republican presidents,
nearly in the shadow of the border, and it's common knowledge that no one did or
wanted to do anything about illegal immigration. Why? Easy. Republicans love
big business-I know, I was one, and big business loves cheap labor. So to say
that the current administration is the problem is a bald faced lie. No
President would tackle that problem and survive. Records also show that there
have been 5 times more deportations under Mr. Obama in his first 18 months than
in the previous 8 years under Mr. Bush. Place the blame where it belongs and
quit this incessant blather. It's just another in a long long line of attacking
the administration. So un-American I can't believe it.
Not_Scared and the rest of you. You know full well that our agriculture workers
are mostly here on the H2-a visas. The scare tactic's don't work anymore. It looks like the big jump came under Bush in 2006. So much for Obama
tooting his horn. He's scared about November and the Arizona backlash. We need more judges and shorter times. There is no excuse for this backlog.
Notice that the hiring of judges to handle deportation cases has been held up
since 2006, which happens to be when democrats took control of the Senate, which
happens to be where judges have to be confirmed.
Send them back to where ever they came from. Then, apply to return legally. U.
S. citizens are expected to obey the law, when not illegal aliens?
The hysteria clearly does not reflect the reality. I am related to someone
involved in immigration litigation matters with the government and to say that
the feds are doing nothing, especially under the current Administration which is
doing more than the prior one, is false. The hysteria is a result of political
mischief making by the same political party that is filibustering the reform
legislation in the U.S. Senate. The GOP doesn't really care or they would help
try to actually do something about it. And they said nary a word in the last
Administration. This is all about political power.
With this such a national problem why is Obama stalling immigration enforcement.
I guess its because he remembers his roots and had the immigration laws been
enforced, he would not be president.It is inane that the federal
government has stalled the law to the point that it is a multibillion dollar
cost to this country giving aid and funding illegal aliens who are taking jobs
and subverting income and wages of the american people, the spenders and
consumers of the economy.Even if there was amnesty legislation
passed these illegal foreign nationals, all Latino's would not like them. It
would require they return to their country, pay a fine, and get legal. Another
revolt pending.Why it takes so long to deport is an injustice to
them and America. Our court system was not intended to be courts for foreign
nationals, the courts of illegal aliens is between consulates and home
countries. We don't need permission from other countries to deport, its our
right and its only fair to expedite deportations.
The only thing I don't like about this title is "pending"
Obviously it would take forever if you take 400 days to deport someone. How
long would it take if it took 4 days to deport someone? That is more like what
it should be. Our Government shouldn't have to prove why someone should be
deported. They need to prove why they should be allowed to stay. And they had
better have a pretty convincing reason, because the vast majority should just be
shipped home as soon as possible.
There is work in California waiting to be had. No one applying for the Jobs. Yes
it would be ok for Mexicans to come and do the work.I have had 3 white
guys to do clean up work and they can not do the job properly.Time to let
the Mexicans come back and do this work.Whineing white People.
utah guy: You're right on. Dumbo 123 lives up to his/her name. If it now takes
well over 400 days to deport someone, how long will it take if we round up a few
million? Just follow the money trail. If employers were heavily fined and
given jail time for hiring illegals, the illegal population would dwindle
considerably. And yes, I agree that a migratory workforce is essential to our
nation and a path to legal residency (not citizenship) status needs to be put
into place. Well said utah guy!
@CJNot everything is solved in a simple way. I am with you that
employer sanctions need to take place, but the splitting up of families, not
educating children, and deporting US citizens (children) should not be part of
the equation. I never said I had all the answers, but I do know the
problem is a lot more complex than just rounding people up and putting them in
camps. A migratory workforce is essential to our nation, and a path to legal
residency (not citizenship) status needs to be put into place.
@Utah GuyThat is exactly right and it's what needs to be done on a
much bigger scale along with securing the border,employer sanctions, and the
removal of all other incentives. What does your extremely complex mind suggest?
That we sit back and let them turn us into a bankrupt third world country where
half the population speaks Spanish? If you are so brilliant that you can call
others "simple minded" lets hear your great solutions or it may be you who is
dumbo123 | 1:22 p.m Harvest is upon us in California. You Utahns who want to
take up the United Work Workers challenge to take our jobs aren't applying for
many jobs in the fields. Look at the benefits. Working under a 106 degree sun,
you can get a real nice tan. There's hours of overtime. Farm workers are exempt
from being paid any overtime. You get to work 14 hours days six days a week.
@dumbo123Simple solutions for simple minds. It will be so easy to
round 'em up, put 'em in camps, separate the children who are citizens from
their parents, provide for their welfare, then kick their parents out. Sounds
Why don"t we remove the Illegal Immigrants and free up millions of jobs for
Americans? Then we could temporarily halt Legal Immigration until the
unemployment rate drops below 7%. I don't understand why the government is not
doing this. Do Immigrants have more rights then citizens? This is insane!
...and this number reflects only those apprehended.