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Published: Saturday, Aug. 7 2010 12:44 a.m. MDT

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KM

@levi
I really do know about the LDS church. Anybody who will ask with a sincere heart will know for themselves whether its true or not. So, you are right, people can really know. Thats the beauty of the LDS church. Don't believe me, find out for yourself that God lives and answers the searching prayer to him.
Also, funny how obsessed people are about Glenn Beck being a member of the church. Deal with it! The members of the church come in all stripes. I'm sure you are just fine with Harry Reid being a member of the church.

Bebyebe

Yes the Utah government does control the politics in Utah. From todays SLT "Could Utah loosen its grip on booze biz":

"Jon Butler, an attorney who has represented The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on liquor issues, attended several of the privatization board’s recent meetings."

Why does the LDS church need an attorney to represent it on liquor issues!?

You can talk 'til you're blue but no 'gentile' will ever believe that the church doesn't control Utah.

bribri

I love Utah , but Mormons are not nice , they are the best ,other people are nothing , I am french and they don't like us . why ? but Utah is so beautiful and non Mormon so kind .

Jeanie b.

I agree with Mountanman.

If we claim any religion that teaches us to be kind - it's God who we need to be sure we're well-know and liked by.

mtgregson

This is the truth! Thanks you Mountanman, this is beautiful!!

Mountanman | 7:09 a.m. Aug. 7, 2010
Jesus said, "If ye were of the world, the world would love you because the world loveth their own. Because ye are not of the world, the world hateth you". "The world hated me before it hated you."
I for one, perfer to be accepted by God more than the world! Keep the faith brothers and sisters and worry not what the world can do. Jesus Christ overcame the world and if faithful so will you and I.

Alberta Reader

Joggle
I have read your post here as well as others articles from DN (LDS related) 20 yrs ago I was told I had a pessimist attitude. At first it irritated me then I realized I did and have spent 20 years trying to change and be happier. With your posts you come across as pessimistic are you? It seems like you see the glass half empty all of the time. Check in the mirror and see if some of those undesirable traits you see in the Mormons is not reflected in your own behavior as well. Just a thought for you. I now thank that person that helped me in my efforts to change how I see things

Jimmy James

After reading some more posts, I can't help but comment again regarding Utah Mormons:

Utah Mormons are NOT intrinsically different from other Mormons, they just so happen to live in a place with a lot more Mormons. While this means that there are a lot more "bad" Mormons in Utah, it also means that there are a lot more "average" and "good" Mormons too. (Think of a bell curve distribution).

From a Mormon perspective, living around lots of other Mormons offers some unique disadvantages and advantages. While I am grateful for my time spent out of Utah as it has given me some great perspective on a lot of things, it has also helped me come to the conclusion there's no other place I want to live long term other than Utah. (It doesn't hurt that I love outdoor recreation, and in my opinion, Salt Lake City is one of the best cities to live in for outdoor recreation.)

So go ahead and weigh the advantages / disadvantages of living around lots of Mormons, and make a choice.

But please, don't be fooled into thinking that that choice makes you better than someone else.

dave

Those attacking us that are showing why LDS's are not liked or trusted are proving our points.

The article was about the LDS church and it's lack of favor. We pointed out a few things that stand out and add to the negative opinion. You can attempt to rationalize all you want. The fact is that what we pointed to is a reason some look on the church unfavorably.

Comparing some of our stupid laws to other stupid laws is counterproductive. Stupid is as stupid does. Yes there are pockets of Baptists that have similar laws. It does not make it right.

Until the Utah government stops treating non-mormons as second class citizens the unfavorable opinions will continue. The state shows a total contempt for those that do not believe as the majority. The majority being LDS.

morning

I picture a room full of Mormon bashers who wake up every morning and look for ways to spread negative information on these comments. I think if the study had asked the question: Do you know a Mormon and what do you think of them? The answer would most likely be positive. There is so much disinformation about the church that anyone not knowing differently would be negative about the church as a whole.

Hanksboy

Very insightful research. Reading some of the naive comments on this board makes one realize why those outside the faith have negative impressions of the LDS Church. The fact is most members of the LDS Church just assumes that everyone will embrace them and their faith simplry because "it's true." The church is one of the few in the world that's growing so people obviously see something there. It isn't the church or its teachings that make people skeptical, it's the church members.

No, the church does not legislate in Utah but it heavily influences legislation; to say otherwise is disingenuous. Many, many Utah Mormons are insular, preferring the ward and other members to those who do not belong to the faith; to say otherwise is disingenuous.

Church leaders doubtless are working to change percpetions but if they are to be successful many of the church's members must change THEIR perceptions, and their attitudes.

Not_Scared

I grew up LDS. I hadn't seen the LDS Church around here except for pairs of white shirt bike riding missionaries on journeys of parental appeasement. Then, Prop 8 came. We had Mormons going though our neighborhood dividing it. Mormons can marry in temples, my family where polygamous Mormons for three generations. We had Mormons telling me about traditional marriage.

"Lying for the Lord refers to the practice of lying to protect the image of and belief in the Mormon religion, a practice which Mormonism itself fosters in various ways. From Joseph Smith's denial of having more than one wife, to polygamous Mormon missionaries telling European investigators that reports about polygamy in Utah were lies put out by "anti-Mormons" and disgruntled ex-members..."

By your fruit.

dave

morning | 9:50 a.m. Aug. 7, 2010

Your persecution complex does not help....

Albemar

For good or bad, the LDS may not be know for a lot of things, but they a surely known for their dislike of Gays & Lesbians.

They have cemented this into the public's mind so strongly it will take decade for people to change their perception, if ever.

For many, many young people, this intolerance over shadows any good the LDS Church and its members can do. For many people, how you treat your fellow human beings, is the most important measure of a group. In the eyes of many, the LDS Church has done a horrific job and has greatly damaged their reputation.

The damage done to the LDS Church's image is the very reason LDS leaders came out in support of the two gay rights laws (employement & housing) that have now passed in seven Utah cities.

This would have never happened without the LDS Church's support and the LDS Church would have never supported it without a reason that benefits them.

Bob Smith

As a non-Mormon, I have some thoughts on why others view you negatively, which I offer to try to be constructive, not critical.

First, recognize that many people really don't like it when your missionaries knock on their doors or stop them on the street to sell them your religion. You think you are doing God's work, but they think you are invading their privacy. For every person you convert, you must cause a thousand others to think you are an annoying nuisance. I don't think it's a coincidence that Jews and Catholics, who don't proselytize, are viewed more favorably.

Second, I don't have to tell you the impact of Prop 8, but I'll remind you that it's not just gays who were offended. Nearly half of California voters rejected it, and there just aren't that many gays, even in California. It wasn't your position that offended people, it was your rhetoric. The ads and the phone calls from my Mormon neighbors were truly hateful.

Third, you must realize that some aspects of your religion will strike outsiders as kooky. I mean, really, Kolob?

Cleetorn

The Church is what it is. It is not subject to the whims and ideologies of men. Accept it or don’t. We all have our free agency, after all. We would hope that all men teach through exemplary behavior, but we know by sad experience that many teach through vilification. This is so in nearly all churches, organizations, groups and associations. There are “good” Mormons and there are “bad” Mormons, just as there is good and bad people and practices everywhere else. If someone wants to have a poor impression of the LDS people or faith, or anyone else for that matter, they are certainly welcome to do that. That’s one of the fun things about living in America. We are welcome to our own opinions no matter how ridiculous they may be. And that goes for both sides of the coin.

JoeBlow

I agree with parts of what MY2Cents say and not others.

I agree that there are basically 2 types of Mormons. Utah Mormons and Out of Utah Mormons.

I find the Out of Utah Mormons much easier to stomach.

The LDS in Utah all think alike. They see it everyday. They dont need to wonder if its a sin to drink alcohol. They know it and everyone they know knows it. They are uncomfortable in a restaurant when others are drinking. They think everyone that drinks gets drunk.

Their accountants, doctors and dentists and lawyers are all mormon. That is by choice.

They have no Non Mormon friends that they hang out with that show them that a glass of wine or beer is no big deal for most people.

They wont drink coffee and dont think you should either. They would never fathom the idea that they may serve coffee to their non mormon guests.

Outside of Utah Mormons are much different. They have to fit in to a society in which they are not the majority.

They are much more accepting. They have no problem if you have a beer with dinner. Out of space.

Cleetorn

While the Church as dictated by the Savior is perfect and designed to “perfect the saints” (and not only the Mormon ones), its people are not. Some are shining examples of true Christianity while some are not. Perhaps it serves as a back-handed compliment that better is expected of those claim membership. We can all improve thorough service to one another. We need to bury the hate. We need to be more tolerant of each other whether “of the faith” or not — regardless of what “faith” that might be. In the famous words of Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along?"

Ridgely

Boy how quickly we forget...Gary Lawrence was listed as a States Grass Roots Area Director during the Prop 8 campaign, and his company was reimbursed hundreds of thousands of dollars for polling data by the LDS Church. Remember his assertion that Mormons would essentially be viewed in a positive light and greeted as liberators for their role in Prop 8?

Strangely Prop 8 or the role of Lawrence Research is never mentioned in this article, which seems like a huge gaping void when talking about non-members perceptions of the LDS Church and its adherents.

Cleetorn

For Levi | 1:18 a.m. Aug. 7, 2010:

I'm impressed! His/her "friends know everything there is to know about the mormon church." And here I thought there was no one but the "inventor" of the Church that had that kind of knowledge. I would love to meet some friends like this. The conversations would be endlessly enlightening.

Tommy2Shoes

We recently had some friends (neighbors for 7 years in California)come for a week. They are wonderful Catholics and we are wonderful Mormons. We get along fine. On Sunday they attended Mass in American Fork, went out for a family lunch and movie. My wife and I went to our Ward and taught our primary class.

They live in Clovis now and while they like it there, they love Utah. This is their second visit and plan to come back every two years. Their children call us grandma and grandpa. They were impressed by how friendly the people are and the low crime. While they may never live here and will never leave the church they love, they respect us and we respect them. They loved the Bees game, the mountains, Park City and In-N-Out and Starbucks. We had a great time teaching them to play Ticket to Ride. We are friends forever.

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