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Published: Saturday, Aug. 7 2010 12:44 a.m. MDT

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My2Cents

In my experience there are two kinds of Mormons and they are completely different. We have the ones in Utah born and raised close to home and they are the worst representatives of Mormonism. Deceit, lies, and greed runs their lives. The Utah Mormon is hypocritical, biased, deceptive, narrow minded, and have no thought processes. They have no self respect and the opposite of everything they preach.

Then there is the rest of the world who represent Mormons and what it should mean. Having lived in both worlds there is a distinction in how they think and do things. There is much more respect for others and others choices of life. They scorn no one and respect and help their neighbors without knowing their religion or expecting a favor in return. They act more like brothers and sisters and will even argue their points like a family.

That's a rough summation but an accurate interactive observation. The world sees Utah as the definition of Mormon and Utah doesn't represent it well, including in our news media and government with all its bias, deceit, and greed. Things Utah Mormons condemn other religions for.

srw

To: Vanka (5:12 pm)

I can see how that quote from the Bible dictionary could be disturbing. But there is more to the story than what is told there...

Members of the LDS church believe that Jesus Christ will return to the earth someday, and that during the time he is here (the "millennial era") he will reign as the king of the earth, both as a political and religious leader. It will not be a democratic government, it is true, but Christ will be a merciful and perfect monarch. Members of the church themselves are not expecting to have political power at that time. At the present time, members who are interested in politics are welcome to participate in running for office, etc., if they want to, but there is not a drive either for or against it.

I am LDS, and I support a democratic government too. I can assure you that world domination is far from LDS members' thoughts and intentions! :)

that is neat

I am headed to Nashville in two weeks and I am looking into visiting the Jack Daniels Distillery while I'm there. Interesting it is located in a county that has been dry since prohibition. Due to Tennessee law, the White Rabbit Bottle Shop is closed sundays everyone, FYI.

brentpet

15 states in the United States have blue laws in place that prohibit car dealerships from opening or selling cars on Sunday or Saturday. I don't think the Mormon church has sufficient power to impose their will on all of those states.

Max

In an attempt to form a cartel to increase their market power, some Protestant groups have banded together by simply calling themselves Christians and assert that anyone outside their cartel is not a Christian (when what they really mean is that anyone outside the cartel is not a Protestant). Such word games can really be confusing to those who are neither LDS nor Protestant. I always explain that Protestant and Christian are not synonymous and while all Protestants are Christian, all Christians are not Protestants and that LDS are among those Christians who are not Protestant. The fact is that LDS are believers and followers of the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the center and foundation of our religion. Yes, we are most certainly Christian.

Mayfair

Living outside of Utah, I'd say except for those who's hearts have been softened and prepared--(a few by their contact/knowledge of members) but mostly by Divine Intervention--the vast majority of people either:

A: already have decided in their own minds (from the disinformation or blatant lies of their own churches) or from ridiculous TV programs such as the Frontline/American Experience "The Mormons" just what, and how, and who 'Mormons' are, and couldn't care less what active faithful Mormons really are, or what they really believe.

Or

B: Their not knowing is exceeded only by their not caring, and NOT WANTING TO KNOW.

Mountanman

Jesus said, "If ye were of the world, the world would love you because the world loveth their own. Because ye are not of the world, the world hateth you". "The world hated me before it hated you."
I for one, perfer to be accepted by God more than the world! Keep the faith brothers and sisters and worry not what the world can do. Jesus Christ overcame the world and if faithful so will you and I.

Rod

KM;
I was a Mormon at one time, my wife still is (although not active). We have lived in Provo for 7 years and have not had one Mormon knock on our door to introduce themselves. We have had Jehovahs Witnesses stop and talk (we weren't converted to their belief either). I am sure that there are many outstanding and wonderful people in this state, as there are in all states, I have only met one person in my whole life that would give you "the shirt off his own back" and have nothing to replace it with. I have never met anyone else that would do that unless they had a much nicer shirt to replace it with. Holier than thou. None of you (of any religion) have more "truth" than anyone else. I don't hate Mormons. I don't hate anyone. My wife and I are considered good neighbors and hard workers. Even though we are an older couple no one has ever offered to help us do anything. I do love the mountains though. The outdoors is my religion. Thanks for listening.

mtgregson

Jesus Christ lives. He is the redeemer of this world. From my experiences of choices that I have made good and bad and studying truth, and light. I know that He leads this church and that it belongs to him. Except that or not. Those that do not, even some that are part of His church that 'claim' to believe with their mouths. It is his church. No man amoung us leads this church and no one in the church is perfect. In fact those of you that claim to believe that talk about Utah Mormons that don't treat you right... what are you doing about it? Are you seeking Christ yourselves? Are you reaching out and loving even those that may not deserve it? This is what Christ teaches. No man is perfect, and if we say we know what is right or what is wrong without really expiriencing it or studying it we are just giving lip service and following the influence of the world which is the 'popular' vote. Look and Live. We did not evolve from tadpoles. If you look and prayerfully of your own free will I promise you you will find out.

Kimball Woodruff

Hilarious! Look at the LDS responses to this thread. It's amazing that 39% have a favorable impression of these people. After reading these responses I certainly don't.

Rocketman

To understand how others view Mormons, think about how you view Scientologists and Jehovah Witnesses: mostly good, devoted people but with odd beliefs. When you think of "Brigham Young" University, you think of a great Mormon/Utah leader, but for the rest of the world Brigham Young is the most powerful icon for Mormon polygamy (whether we like it or not, BYU is an ongoing advertisement for the church's past connection to polygamy, undermining its attempt to disassociate from it). We might think of Mormons as 14 million strong, but for others, that's in the context of almost 7 billion people (.2% of the global population). If Tom Cruise ran for president, it may be hard to admit, but his religion would be a factor. Our image of ourselves in life, can be quite different from the embedded identity we have in the marketplace.

ObamaRepublican

Where ever you live or go in this world, people blame the majority or the minority for the various problems in the area.

Take responsibility for your own actions, stop blaming others for your failures and get moving in life.

So you have to buy your booze at a state store, and you can not buy a car on sunday. Life just can not go on with those crazy Mormon rules!

Wash DC Reader

It sounds like this guy has really put in a lot of thought into his research. I have to say that I agree with him in most all of his points. It is this type of innovation that needs to come more from the member level. I hope more is written on this topic by this and other researches.

Keep up the good work.

1Observer

People on both sides need to lighten up. And members of the LDS faith (I am one) need to teach by example and truly love others and quit worrying about what the world thinks about them. It isn't a popularity contest. It is a religion governed by agency or choice. Some people, likely a large majority of people, are not going to join or believe because they choose not to. That is the way it has always been. Christ wasn't crucified because he was popular, but because he unapologetically taught the truth and it scared people because it was different from their traditions and threatened their power base. Nonetheless, He loved unconditionally and stayed true to His message. That is what we all must do. Everyone chooses to take things far too personally.

qapilot

Too many people, including Mormons, critics of Mormons, and Lawrence himself, are missing what's happening and what "to do about it." When people are asked about the basis for their negative opinions about the LDS church, they largely come from these sources:

1. Inaccurate rumor and gossip ("I knew this Mormon kid in high school. He never had Christmas or birthday parties, and he wasn't allowed to donate blood!") This is where most of my non-LDS friends got their negative opinions. People talk without checking facts. This will never change.

2. News and entertainment media, i.e. critical reporting about "polygamist Mormons," the popular "Big Love" TV program, etc. This will never change, and will likely get worse.

3. Active campaigns against the LDS hurch by other Christian groups. This is huge, as we saw during the campaign of Mitt Romney. It will never change.

The solution? There is none. Opinions will be overly negative for a long, long time. So what? We just need to stop worrying about becoming popular or understood (a huge and vain waste of Mormons' energy), and just live our religion, and be great to our friends, neighbors, colleagues and relatives.

texlds

It is our insularity that is killing us. Far, far too often we're talking to the world in our own provincial lexicon and syntax.

Janet

How do we address "No man can serve two masters," "one Lord, one faith one baptism," "lead us not into temptation," and "Be ye in the world, but not a part of it" while trying to be well thought of by a world that is increasingly open to anything but "intolerance" or claims of absolute truth? What success I've had in this area has come from honesty. I am the same person at work, at church, and at home. A few at church think I'm too liberal, a few at work think I'm too conservative, and my husband likes me pretty well just as I am. Friends who are not LDS know they can ask me anything about our religion, and I will give them an honest answer without trying to convert them. As Shakespeare said, "To thine own self be true, and it must follow as the night the day: Thou canst not then be false to any man."

Dennis

The influence of Mormonism is felt in everyday life in Utah. Everywhere you go, everything you see, virtually everything you hear.
No matter how you spin it, the "church" is "utah" and "utah" is the "church".
Right, wrong or indifferent, it's a blessing to some, and a complete irritating distraction to others.
Outside Utah, (I live on the East Coast now) the impression is commonly simililar to the turn of the last century. I've been asked numerous times if I come from a polygamous family. It's not ignorance, it's impression. In local eyes, news like Warren Jeffs indicates he was a "mormon".
The Church can't fix it's image without facing a dramatic change in attitude, doctrine and belief. That's not going to happen.
Love it or hate it, the Church is what it is and the members are way, way to sensitive about it.

easternobserver

Many good points in this article and in the comments. LDS lingo is overwhelming and confusing. The totality of doctrine and beliefs encompassed in the word "gospel" is an excellent example. To most of the rest of the world, the term refers very specifically the contents of four books of the NT -the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.
A couple of days before my baptism, one of the missionaries asked if I knew the gospel was true. I think my response was, "Which one?" Neither of us had a clue what the other was actually saying. I really don't like the terms "members" and "non-members" - very exclusive.
A few members of my family are relatively recent converts from Catholicism to a large far-right Protestant congregation. They think Glenn Beck pretty much walks on water. The upside is that they know he's Mormon and respect my lifestyle more. Food storage was a big topic during a recent visit. The downside is that they think he represents the Church and that I agree w/ everything he says. Sometimes I wonder if there aren't days when Brethren wish he'd picked another church.

skeptic

As I see it: The LDS Church is supposed to be the church of Christ. But I don't feel the presence of Christ in the church, I feel the presence of Mormons and mormon social politics. There seems to be a big divide between what is said and done. The LDS church congregation seems to lack a sincere spiritural love of fellow man. It feels more like something akin to a fraternity and if one is an insider, then I guess there are advantages and benefits; but to outsiders, it is cold.

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