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Published: Saturday, Aug. 7 2010 12:44 a.m. MDT

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@attentive 8;47 - My experience too, but having been born in a State where the Southern Baptists were the majority on the city council and in the state legislature, we had Sunday closing as well (including even drug stores by law.) I was the only LDS boy in my high school and I had (and still have) many other friends of different religious persusions.

As i went to college, was in the army, worked in varoius places and traveled a lot my background served me well. I have always tried to support "good" things and "good" politicians. I do understand that not everyone might agree with my defination of "good." I have campaigned for people who I thought would best represent my interests and values.

Sometimes they won, others lost. At the next election I campaigned against based on their record of what they had done or not done, not on their religion (I even voted against Mitt Romney but I thought his dad was a great Governor for Michigan not because he was LDS, but in spite he was LDS.)

The article is about we need to "get along" better, tolerance doesn't have to be total acceptance.

LDS Liberal

Grandma Kitties | 6:35 p.m.

Agreed!

Similar story here.

Born and raised in Utah (Bountiful)

LDS Mission on the East Coast (Washington D.C.)

6 Years serving our Country in the Military.
[Agreed, San Diego Chargers Fan | 5:35 p.m.]

And once finished Engineering At Weber State,
moved to Seattle for 22 years.

Moved back to Utah 2 years ago.

1. Utah is NOT the same as it used to be. (Worse not better - as atested in this article)

2. Leaving the Bubble was the best thing to ever happen to our family.


I like to think it was the same lesson our Heavenly Parents wanted us to experience by coming here to Earth also -- re-enforces the whole getting out of the Bubble -- learning to love and accept others -- concept.

Joggle

As a person who is a transplant from another state I can tell you that most people find Mormonism oppressive, repressive, intrusive, overly strict, limiting, and weird. They think the rituals are strange and the doctrine unbelieveable.

I find that Mormons are so saturated and obsessed with their religion that they can't relate well to mainstream society. The holier than thou attitude is a turn-off and the friendliness seems insincere and the beginning of an attempt to convert.

B

I don't remember reading in the scriptures that the church would be well liked and popular with the world.

It's odd that for as 'backward' as this state is, so many people have chosen to move here to raise their families. (I'm talking to you, California.)

There are unfriendly, self righteous people in every state in this country. If you don't feel welcome here in Utah, what have you done to change your situation?

I went on a mission to Eastern Canada. (kind of a sleepy, and some would say, backward place.) I heard missionaries rip on the culture and the church out there. It DIDN'T endear those missionaries to the people of Eastern Canada. Why would you think ripping on Utah will make the natives open up and love you?

blu bergamo

It wasn't until I left the church that I realized just how disliked Mormons are. Now I can see with an open mind what an awful church it is. I've also found that everyone in all the other churches is so much nicer and welcoming than I ever experienced in my whole upbringing as a Mormon.

Clarissa

To Idaho Coug,

I am LDS and would have had to sit on the other side of the reception. The smell of alchol makes me sick. Maybe because it reminds me of my father's constant drinking or because of the injections I must take daily. I have to hold my breath I feel nauseous. I wouldn't be apart on purpose. I would actually explain this to the other party if necessary, but I'm afraid they would be offended. Bummer.

MissouriJoe

Let the church's PR department worry about perception problems. Just live your life, be nice, and relax a little. It's not that hard.

KM

@blu
Sorry you feel that way. I have found that the Church here in UT has many wonderful and outstanding members, who would give the shirt off their backs to anyone in need. They live the gospel the best they can. Its true that there are others who are judgmental and uncaring. But, they are in the minority. I hope you can look for the good in the lds church, as you do in other churches.

Demiurge

The Mormon Church created a whole lot of negativity when it injected itself into the center of Prop 8 in California. That negativity will take years to undo if it ever disappears. Stay out of California politics with your morals and money. Better yet, if you can't handle California, stay in Utah.

Neo-Mormons like Glenn Beck ranting ignorance on TV become the face of the religion, like it or not, fair or not. Also, to claim that the Mormon Church doesn't have a huge influence on politics and the laws in Utah is just silly. It was amazing how much liquor laws in Utah moderated when the carrot of the Olympics was dangled, and not one wit before.

RAB

People have always and will always have a bad impression of the church. It has been the same since Christ was on the earth. It is always easier to believe the negative and there have always been enemies of the church that are willing to spread the negative. It takes ten times as many good examples to overcome one bad example. It takes ten times as many true stories to overcome one deceptive remark. Our only recourse is to just keep trying to live the gospel and not be afraid to share our actual beliefs.

ENDavis

Having lived both in and outside Utah, having been both in and outside of the Mormon church, here is why I think the Mormon church has an image problem.

I have found that LDS in general (not everyone of course) has a persecution complex. Mormons have a long history of problems with their neighbors, so it's perfectly understandable that any criticism leveled at the church would now be viewed by Mormons as persecution, and church members become defensive. The problem is though, this behavior only further hurts the church's image with outsiders.

If someone outside the church gives a neutral or positive response to a Mormon, the Mormon will generally react poitively toward them. However, as soon as anyone gives a critical or negative response to the Mormon the discussion almost immediately becomes divisive or vitriolic. Look at some of the comments here for example: "if (you) do (not) like the "LDS" influence in this state and it's politics, go live where thre are NOT a lot mormons." Mormons have created an us vs. them mentality. "You're either with us or your against us." You're either a Mormon or an anti-Mormon.

my slc

"Simple solution for you,

if do like the "LDS" influence in this state and it;s politics,

go live where thre are NOT a lot mormons."

Same old song.

I think it should be:

Utah, love it or change it!

I am here and going to stay. thank you.

Levi

When you have a bad experience with a restaurant (or any business actually) you almost always tell your friends all about it.

Such is the case with the mormon church.

My friends know everything there is to know about the mormon church. At first, they really didn't believe me - just too far fetched. But with a little further research, they now really understand.

They do not have a positive image of the mormon church.

The Real Maverick

Excommunicate Glenn Beck. That will win a lot of support.

MoJules

I do indexing, and we created a group in Skype to do share batches. So we have a chat group and we have people from the UK, Holland, Australia, Pauaguay and Hawaii, plus the mainland. WE have LDS, other religions, an atheist. We have never met, but we have a very strong bond, we never discuss religion or politics. We talk about our family and about the indexing projects. There is such a warmth and friendship there and we care about each other. Sometimes the non Mormons outnumber the Mormons on a given day, but they are working on a project that is put out by the LDS church. I am sure that if we were all to post about an article that had religious or political threads here on DN we would be clashing. But that doesn't happen, because we find the human in each other. And it has to happen on both sides.

BYU Blue

There are 21 other states that either prohibit liquor or auto sales or both on Sundays, 43 states at the least have state mandated times when no alcohol can be sold or served. Yes Utah auto dealers have to be closed one day of the week, but did you know they have a choice of either Sunday or Saturday? Mormons are not the only faith that has a “Sabbath” day. That’s why the state legislator gave dealers the choice to pick and choose to accommodate to other religions. Car dealerships are closed on Sundays because of the owners not the legislator.
You have 6 other days to buy your liquor or your car. If those 6 days during the week don’t suffice, it sounds like more of a personal rather than a legislative problem to me.
The church is not at the ear of the governor and the legislator whispering to them what they want done. Those bodies are made up of elected officials, elected by the people of this state. The church isn’t drawing up bills and debating them on the floor.

carpediem

I served my mission right in the heart of the Bible belt, so I was actually able to see first hand a lot of the misconceptions people have. To be honest if I didn't grow up a member and just read or heard stuff about "Mormons" I would think they were weird too. There were times we would teach someone and afterwards they would get online and do research and they would never speak to us after that. I think we need as a church a much bigger presence on the internet! There isn't enough good stuff about us on the web, and the web is where a lot of people research religion.

BYU Blue

The church doesn’t influence state law the people who write and vote on the laws do. The people who hold office are under their own will and power and using their own judgment not the churches. I believe Edmund Burke said it best: “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”
If you don’t agree with their judgment, run for office or campaign for whomever you support. That’s what they did. You have the same opportunity as they do, that’s what makes this state and country so great.
Stay and live here we’d love to have ya, or leave whatever makes you happiest, it’s your right ya know.
I heard Indiana is nice… oh wait they have the same liquor and auto sales laws that we do…

BYU Blue

The church doesn’t influence state law the people who write and vote on the laws do. The people who hold office are under their own will and power and using their own judgment not the churches. I believe Edmund Burke said it best: “Your representative owes you, not his industry only, but his judgment; and he betrays instead of serving you if he sacrifices it to your opinion.”
If you don’t agree with their judgment, run for office or campaign for whomever you support. That’s what they did. You have the same opportunity as they do, that’s what makes this state and country so great.
Stay and live here we’d love to have ya, or leave whatever makes you happiest, it’s your right ya know.
I heard Indiana is nice… oh wait they have the same liquor and auto sales laws that we do…

BYU Blue

There are 21 other states that either prohibit liquor or auto sales or both on Sundays, 43 states at the least have state mandated times when no alcohol can be sold or served. Yes Utah auto dealers have to be closed one day of the week, but did you know they have a choice of either Sunday or Saturday? Mormons are not the only faith that has a “Sabbath” day. That’s why the state legislator gave dealers the choice to pick and choose to accommodate to other religions. Car dealerships are closed on Sundays because of the owners not the legislator.
You have 6 other days to buy your liquor or your car. If those 6 days during the week don’t suffice, it sounds like more of a personal rather than a legislative problem to me.
The church is not at the ear of the governor and the legislator whispering to them what they want done. Those bodies are made up of elected officials, elected by the people of this state. The church isn’t drawing up bills and debating them on the floor.

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