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Published: Saturday, Aug. 7 2010 12:44 a.m. MDT

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San Diego Chargers Fan

It is really funny to read the comments from you folks in Utah -- so much bitterness and divisiveness!

Here in California, people are great and we have been encouraged for quite some time to be actively involved in the community -- for the exact purposes that Gary Lawrence advocates in the article.

The Atheist

Vanka,

You must be joking. People don't dislike the LDS Church because of obscure doctrines about world domination.

They dislike the LDS Church because the regular, everyday members exude an arrogance that is annoying as all get out!

the truth

RE: Bebyebe | 4:48 p.m


Simple solution for you,

if do like the "LDS" influence in this state and it;s politics,

go live where thre are NOT a lot mormons.


TH fact remains the people here in uta( and the churuch) have the right speak up, the people can to particpate in politics, hold office, vote and make laws here,

if you do not like the laws you are free to "vote" with your feet,

no one is forcing you to stay.

As others have pointed out there are places in the US with more strict laws than utah.

And ther place with less strict laws,

and you are free choose where you want to live.

But that is Beauty of freedom,

and the system we have here in the US,

where each state and each community can make the laws they want live under,

IT's a patch work country,

and you can live in the patch of your choosing with others of like mind.


A lot better than the grey quilt the LEFT wants us all to live under, and a lot freer

the LEFT wants to force all to live by their laws anywhere.



San Diego Chargers Fan

I think the point of the article has more to do with how people outside of Utah view members of the church.

It seems that the culture and politics of Utah are a completely different matter, even though most of the comments here are about how bad non-members are treated in Utah.

My advice to people in Utah is: join the military or work for some company that will take you to other parts of the country and allow you to rub shoulders with people of other faiths. Let your light be seen by others.

RobSing

Christ's re-established church!!!??? ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
That's awesome!

San Diego Chargers Fan

This article has nothing to do with the legislature or politics. It is about learning to speak a different language when talking about the church to non-members.

If you spend much time outside of Utah, you will either learn that language, or you make a fool out of yourself quite quickly.

Vanka

To San Diego...

Who is in Utah? Why make such ignorant assumptions?

10CC

Hayduke:

No doubt about Glenn Beck severely limiting opportunities for Mormons in the US. He is essentially the pied-piper of the Tea Party, whose members pretty much have their minds already made up when it comes to religion.

To everyone else Beck is essentially offensive, not to mention marginally rational. He really doesn't help the LDS cause, much, if at all.

ironmania

To San Diego:

Why do you assume that only people in Utah care about Chris Buttars, or the state liquor laws, or auto sales on Sunday? Are you too ignorant to see that those are the very reasons that people hate mormons?

It's because we can't buy cars on Sunday!

ironmania

Harry Reid is a shining example of a Mormon who doesn't try to impose his beliefs on other Americans.

Grandma Kitties

Living in Utah has been a challenge. I was born here and lived here for several years, until my husband graduated from BYU and took me and our two baby boys off to California. Hurray!! It was wonderful. Our family grew by the birth of two more boys and we were very active in our southern Californa ward. We lived there for 20 years. I had and have lots of non-LDS friends.
From southern California, we were transfered to Tucson, AZ. Great ward and Stake were in Tucson and many of non-LDS friends. All of our sons served missions and were married in the temple. They are all active with two living in the mid-west where both have LDS and non-LDS colleagues and friends. One son and his family still live and work in Tucson. One is an lawyer in Utah.
Thankfully, we moved from Utah and this helped our kids look at people of other ethnic or religous backgrounds with tolerance and respect. I don't know if this would have happened if we had stayed in Utah. Sad but true, some are afraid to reach out and make friends with non-members.

Jimmy James

Right on Lawrence!

After my mission and while still living in Utah, I was completely under the impression that everyone generally knew who Mormon's were and for the most part respected that.

Then I moved to the East Coast...

Yeah, people have no clue who we are or what we believe, and have really only associated us with negative stereotypes that they've heard.

We have a long ways to go, and a lot of work to do. And to those bagging on Utah, what gives? Utah is an amazing state and I for one am looking forward to returning as soon as possible.

Jeanie b.

We are raising our children in Utah and we yearly attend a different church's services so they can see that not all people need to live like we, as LDS members, do to be good people. We encourage our children to befriend everyone, and they do.

Parents can teach their children to be accepting or bigoted no matter where you live.

While living in California I was proselytized by a friend who hoped I would see the error of my Mormon ways and join her religion. I wanted to be her friend more than I wanted a convert to my religion so I didn’t talk of my religion very much at all. When she realized that I had no intention of converting she became very cold and the friendship faded. I was offended and determined that I would not do the same thing to anyone else. I also decided that I was who I was - and that was a Mormon woman. I would be who I was and my friends could be who they were.

Today I enjoy good friends from all walks of life in spite of different beliefs.

Idaho Coug

To me there are a couple of issues. One is general perception and the other is the historical/doctrinal issues many confront in today's high tech world when investigating Mormonism.

I travel a lot for my profession and have many non-LDS friends and colleagues. Many hold the typical assumptions like polygamy, no coffee/alcohol, Prop 8, Utah, ultra conservative, Osmonds, etc. When they really open up about those assumptions, many find them strange rather than commendable (despite what we like to think). I am pretty liberal for a Mormon and actually that has lead some to eventually moderate their initial assumptions to a more favorable and normalized perception.

The other issue is that many investigators will take it on themselves to research the Church via the internet or loved one's will take it upon themselves to do it for them. Some things they find are strange AND false. But some things they find are strange AND true. Many of us don't know how to respond to the strange but true stuff. And our responses can some think we are trying to hide or dismiss things.

These two issues have been reinforced repeatedly through personal experience.

Idaho Coug

A recent experience kind of brought home what many non-LDS (in high LDS population areas) often experience.

A family member was holding a wedding reception. One was from an LDS family the other a non-LDS family. After much debate, the LDS mother agreed that the non-LDS mother could provide alcohol for the reception.

The room ended up being divided between the LDS sitting on one side talking about callings and other ward activities while sipping on their non-alcoholic drinks - and the other side drinking alcoholic drinks and talking about anything other than Mormon topics.

I have seen this in various forms throughout the years. I have often seen a Mormon who cannot comfortably interact socially with non Mormons. I have a feeling that assumptions were only reinforced for all that evening.

Personally, I have sat in many bars on road trips getting to know my non-LDS colleageus better - often discussing the Church in a positive way and hopefully portraying that members can turn down alcohol while still appearing fairly normal.

I think non-LDS admire our standards more when they can actually relate to us. Too often we come across more weird than principled.

Samwise

To Grandma Kitties

That's interesting. My parents were able to raise myself and my siblings to look at people with ethnic, religious, and other differences with respect. And they did it in Utah. I have never felt I was better than anyone just because I am Mormon or from Utah. I have always been taught to respect others' beliefs. I try to live by this, even in cases where I completely disagree with the beliefs of another. I am thankful my parents raised me this way, and they would have done so either IN Utah OR out of Utah.

Some in Utah need to work on doing better and looking outside the bubble. But from what I have seen, quite a few do a very good job of it. One thing that does need to be done away with in the Church is pride that comes from some both IN Utah and OUTSIDE of Utah. Frankly, I have seen quite a few "Non-Utah" Mormons show pride just because they are from outside of Utah. I have seen both sides, and neither is better or harder than the other.

Bebyebe

To 'The Truth'

It's still a free country and I can live anywhere I please. If you don't like that YOU go live somewhere else.

Your response is EXACTLY why people don't like mormons.

attentive

I attended a very small Branch back east before I moved to Utah. All of the members of that branch were spread out for miles and miles. Home teaching and visiting teaching took an entire day for most people because many of us were 60 miles apart. I was told before I moved here that Utah Mormons were different. All I can say is that I wish I were back in my little branch where everyone really gave an effort and loved and cared for each other, where they didn't compare houses or cars or boats or the prosperity that the Utah Mormons have. There weren't class divisions back where I came from.

bloggy

Nothing interests people more than to hear what others think of them. It's rarely pleasant, but usually insightful and humbling.

LDS Liberal

the truth | 5:34 p.m. Aug. 6, 2010

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Ladies and Gentlemen,

May I present to you, "the truth".


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